From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #370 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 6 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 370 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Northeast Jonifest 2004 pictures (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] Joni in LA Times [TinkersOwn@aol.com] Hitler, Fascism, Ourselves, njc [vince ] Jonifest 2004 Photos [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Re: please cheer me up NJC PC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Repubs in charge--Hitler, Fascism, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Re: Joni blurb in today's Toronto Star [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] Re: Re: Joni blurb in today's Toronto Star ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: NJC, It's Bobby's Turn to Cry... [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: NJC, It's Bobby's Turn to Cry... [Catherine McKay ] Re: Repubs in charge--Hitler's "Kampf"--njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Repubs in charge--Hitler's "Kampf"--njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Today's Library Links: September 6 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Republicans for Kerry site NJC PC ["Marian Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:55:38 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Northeast Jonifest 2004 pictures (NJC) Pictures should shortly start appearing on the hatstand.org gallery site as people start uploading. The main URL for this year's pictures is:- http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/nejf2004 Some of my scenic pictures are already up there, with some more to come when I manage to find time... Any problems, mail me direct. Enjoy! PS. We had a great time... :) - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:10:49 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Repubs in charge--Hitler, Fascism, njc Hi Debra, I understand your concern about the current administration's tendency. I don't live in the U.S. so all I can say on this subject is I respect your opinion. > I did say that the Holocaust could not happen here in the U.S. It wasn't > that I consider the U.S. so superior that such horror couldn't happen > here; my thought was that it wouldn't happen here in exactly the same > way. Well of course history repeats itself but never in the exact same way. and, as Kate points out in another message, the stage is > being set for many people to die because they cannot get adequate health > care. That, in this rich country, is a horror that is unimaginable, and > yet that is what's happening. And this administration is allowing, and > even encouraging, that to happen. ...to the point where 45 million people no longer have > any coverage at all because they or their employer cannot afford it. > Many public hospitals are closing because they can no longer take care > of so many people without the cost being reimbursed, so the safety net > that was available when fewer people were uninsured is disappearing. I recall posting about this very same idea a while back, and a lot of listers had strong arguments to refute it. Again, it's hard for me to know what's going on since I left the U.S.12 years ago. Part of our decision to go is we realized there would be a day when we wouldn't be young and healthy. > I've heard of Mein Kampf, of course, but didn't know that Hitler had > written out his plans so clearly in it. My thought (perhaps incorrect) > was that he was sly and crafty and manipulative and over a dozen or so > years eventually had a large enough following so he could then put his > plan into action. Surely if he had started his public life by saying > outright in his speeches that his goal was to kill six million Jews and > any other people he didn't consider "pure", most people would have > fought against that. I want to believe that, but I might be wrong about > that. The sadists would have joined right in, but I have a hard time > believing that most citizens in Germany or any other country would say > yes to that plan. Somehow Hitler managed to get "good" people to go > along with him, and even be enthusiastic about following him. > That's the hard part to swallow, but Mein Kampf does spell out in no uncertain terms the necessity to "free the world" from the "sub-human jewish vermin". This program was not enough to deter germans from following Hitler. In fact it had quite the opposite effect for at least 2 reasons: First it became a great national cause around which germans could rally. The good old scapegoat trick. So yes the public speeches from the very start make use of that trick. Second, as the Stanford (I think) experiment and many writers on the "banality of evil" showed, anybody has in him/her the capacity to become an executioner. As much as we'd love to think that only the sadists rejoiced, a book was published less than 10 years ago by a historian who proved that most germans knew damn well what was going on. (Couldn't find the book on the shelves last night, but will look) Now, I know that you mean quite the opposite, but I found a U.S. reviewer on Amazon who describes Mein Kampf as: "Democracy Defined" Here is what he writes about Mein Kampf: "This book is a MUST READ for anyone wanting to know why US politics is the way it is! Reading Hitler describe the world he lived in before getting to power, is like reading about the United States as it is today. The way he speaks about how he wanted to pull his hair out when watching the Parliment in action, is how I feel when watching our congress on C-span. Hitler's eloquent use of vocabulary and great analogies make reading this book take a long time, because I found myself stoping after every great statement, and thinking about it, then seeing how it fit our world today, and realizing why it is in the shape it is in today. It also explains why no third party candidates are allowed to speak in the presidential debates, apparently the US government has read this book too. I thought I was going to be reading a book of propaganda, as told by so many people (who never read the book themselves) but it turned out to be a great book on the philosophy of life and politics, that has not gone out of date, it fits in perfectly to describe the world exactly as it is today!" So Debra, fascism is alive and well and (also) living in america. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:03:19 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Repubs in charge--Hitler, Fascism, njc A 'holocaust', be it people of coloiur, muslims, jews, gays could happen again here in the UK, in the USA in France-anywhere. We are not that different from the German people of the 30's and 40's. One only has to listen to the 'ordinary person in the street'to undertsand how it could happen again. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 08:14:09 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: please cheer me up NJC PC >The more I think about it, the more I think that it was probably a good thing for Kerry to wait until after the RNC to go on the offensive. Anything he said would have been attacked on the national RNC stage, so better to wait.< I had the same thought when I read his speech bob... I like his intelligence but kept wanting him to catch a fire... in his midnight speech I think he finally has... maybe it was strategy or maybe he finally heard from enough people that they wanted him to put on the gloves... cuz there is a way to power punch without having to step into the rove created doodoo ... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 11:31:51 -0400 From: TinkersOwn@aol.com Subject: Joni in LA Times There is a massive, 3-page, Joni article in today's Times. It's available on-line. ################################################ Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@comcast.net "The Tinker's Own" www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 13:09:31 -0400 From: vince Subject: Hitler, Fascism, Ourselves, njc Laurent Olszer wrote: > > >As much as we'd love to think that only the sadists rejoiced, a book was >published less than 10 years ago by a historian who proved that most germans >knew damn well what was going on. (Couldn't find the book on the shelves >last night, but will look) > The book may be Hitler's Willing Executioners by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen. If that is not the book, this one is essential anyway. It shows at great depth that Holocaust arose not from one person but from the people of Germany and elsewhere in Europe where hate had flourished for generations. I also suggest Neighbors, the Destruction of the Jewish Community in Jedwabne, Poland by Jon Tomacz which shows how it really was, in fact, neighbors, not outsider people from away, who did Holocaust. > > > > Laurent also opined >So Debra, fascism is alive and well and (also) living in america. > > No doubt. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:36:50 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2004 Photos I just finished uploading 139 photos from Fest. If anyone is interested in checking them out, go to: _http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/ashara-jf2004_ (http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/ashara-jf2004) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 10:39:36 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: please cheer me up NJC PC RR >Don't worry Deb, even if Kerry gets elected, there will still be plenty to be depressed about; they ain't that much different.< I disagree... I believe there is a huge difference between these two men & their vice presidents & their business interests & their intelligence & their ability to work in the international arean & their policies & their belief systems and... well, huge differences >The question shouldn't be "what will we do if Kerry loses" but "what will we do, no matter who wins".< I agree with this! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:59:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Repubs in charge--Hitler, Fascism, njc --- colin wrote: > A 'holocaust', be it people of coloiur, muslims, > jews, gays could happen > again here in the UK, in the USA in France-anywhere. > We are not that > different from the German people of the 30's and > 40's. One only has to > listen to the 'ordinary person in the street'to > undertsand how it could > happen again. The average ordinary person is very easily swayed, unfortunately. It's frightening how quickly people can become paranoid and lose touch with reality and demonize others. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:01:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: please cheer me up NJC PC --- Kate Bennett wrote: > I like his intelligence > but kept wanting him to catch a fire... in his > midnight speech I think he > finally has... maybe it was strategy or maybe he > finally heard from enough > people that they wanted him to put on the gloves... > cuz there is a way to > power punch without having to step into the rove > created doodoo ... Sometimes if they catch fire too quickly, they burn out. It may be a good idea not to go full-out too early in the game. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:13:01 EDT From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Joni blurb in today's Toronto Star Mark E.writes: Ok, I want to know. Does anyone else's copy of 'TBOS' have an essay in it? If mine does, I can't find it.> Hey Mark, I hope all is well. I believe the essay is referring to the story told in the songs on the CD. If you will notice, in the booklet, on the page before the lyrics begin, above Joni's painting are these words: ...an essay, a tragedy, an opera, a dark comedy... Just my take, let me know what you think? Jonily yours, Warren Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:23:10 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Re: Joni blurb in today's Toronto Star Warren Keith wrote: Hey Mark, I hope all is well. I believe the essay is referring to the story told in the songs on the CD. If you will notice, in the booklet, on the page before the lyrics begin, above Joni's painting are these words: ...an essay, a tragedy, an opera, a dark comedy... Just my take, let me know what you think? I wondered about that too, Warren. What's printed on the inside of the digipak is the alleged 'letter' from Chief Seattle. The blurb about the cd seems to indicate that the essay is something separate from that. The words you quote do indicate that Joni considers the songs themselves to be an essay. It's just that the info that's been quoted seems to say that there is an essay, written by Joni, apart from the Chief Seattle piece and apart from the songs themselves. Kind of misleading, imo. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 20:27:00 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Hitler, Fascism, Ourselves, njc > The book may be Hitler's Willing Executioners by Daniel Jonah > Goldhagen. If that is not the book, this one is essential anyway. It > shows at great depth that Holocaust arose not from one person but from > the people of Germany and elsewhere in Europe where hate had flourished > for generations. > > I also suggest Neighbors, the Destruction of the Jewish Community in > Jedwabne, Poland by Jon Tomacz which shows how it really was, in fact, > neighbors, not outsider people from away, who did Holocaust. > Thank you Vince Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:30:11 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC, It's Bobby's Turn to Cry... In a message dated 9/5/2004 1:59:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, michael@thepazgroup.com writes: It's time to rejoice in their time of blooming and now you can go back to be a kid yourself. Well..I do rejoice as well, of course, but I will miss him. And..as far as having the time to be a kid myself again....don't forget I still have one more at home for the next 3 years!!! :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 15:06:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC, It's Bobby's Turn to Cry... --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/5/2004 1:59:26 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > michael@thepazgroup.com writes: > > It's time to rejoice in their time of blooming and > now you can go back to be a kid yourself. > > > Well..I do rejoice as well, of course, but I will > miss him. And..as far as > having the time to be a kid myself again....don't > forget I still have one more > at home for the next 3 years!!! :-) > Whaddya mean? They're not going to hang around home until they're 30? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 15:17:26 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC, It's Bobby's Turn to Cry... In a message dated 9/5/2004 3:07:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: Whaddya mean? They're not going to hang around home until they're 30? NOT!!!!!!!!! Hugs, Ashara, thinking of changing the locks when the youngest leaves for college {hee hee} ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:48:38 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Repubs in charge--Hitler, Fascism, njc Laurent Olszer wrote: > > That's the hard part to swallow, but Mein Kampf does spell out in no > uncertain terms the necessity to "free the world" from the "sub-human > jewish vermin". > This program was not enough to deter germans from following Hitler. > In fact it had quite the opposite effect for at least 2 reasons: > First it became a great national cause around which germans could rally. The > good old scapegoat trick. So yes the public speeches from the very start > make use of that trick. Oh. How disheartening to learn that. I've never seen anything except bits of Hitler's speeches from old newsreels, and even they are difficult to look at. I recall (perhaps incorrectly) from history lessons that part of Hitler's appeal was to make Germans "proud" again after their defeat in WWI, and that lots of people were out of work, and he exploited people's concern about the economy and desire to feel good about themselves and their country in order to gain power. So, yes, there's the old scapegoat trick... blame "them" instead of taking responsibility for one's own part in whatever's happening. Get rid of them, get rid of the problem. It was ignorance on my part (and hope for the goodness in people) to think Hitler was not obvious about his plans. > Second, as the Stanford (I think) experiment and many writers on the > "banality of evil" showed, anybody has in him/her the capacity to become an > executioner. What was most shocking about that experiment was that it showed how quickly people can be sadistic. It didn't take much encouragement for the role players (subjects) being studied, regular decent people in "real" life, to start enjoying being the executioner. They got to that so quickly the experiment was stopped sooner than the research psychologists had planned because those subjects forgot all about playing a role, and were heading toward actual destruction. If I recall correctly, that happened within 2 or 3 days! Most people keep their sadistic streak hidden because there's no use for it and society's pressuring people to keep it hidden, and it can be buried so deep people don't even know it's a part of them, but it's certainly there ready to be exploited. It's Jung's "shadow", which is most dangerous when its existence is denied. That's another reason I'm so disturbed by the religious right's influence in this country. They acknowledge that there's evil in the world, but always blame it on someone else, or on Satan. Problems are caused by someone or something outside of themselves, which is not to say that the religious right are the ONLY people to use that "it's not me!" tactic, just that I think conservatives and hyper-religious people use it a lot. > Now, I know that you mean quite the opposite, No, I think we're on the same page here, Laurent. It was concern about what's happening here that made me write about the subject in the first place. Not wanting to face it, and cringing at the whole idea of fascism in every form it's been played out, doesn't mean I disagree with what you've said. > but I found a U.S. reviewer on > Amazon who describes Mein Kampf as: "Democracy Defined" > > Here is what he writes about Mein Kampf: > "This book is a MUST READ for anyone wanting to know why US politics is the > way it is! Reading Hitler describe the world he lived in before getting to > power, is like reading about the United States as it is today. The way he > speaks about how he wanted to pull his hair out when watching the Parliment > in action, is how I feel when watching our congress on C-span. > > Hitler's eloquent use of vocabulary and great analogies make reading this > book take a long time, because I found myself stoping after every great > statement, and thinking about it, then seeing how it fit our world today, > and realizing why it is in the shape it is in today. > > It also explains why no third party candidates are allowed to speak in the > presidential debates, apparently the US government has read this book too. > > I thought I was going to be reading a book of propaganda, as told by so many > people (who never read the book themselves) but it turned out to be a great > book on the philosophy of life and politics, that has not gone out of date, > it fits in perfectly to describe the world exactly as it is today!" The idea of reading Mein Kampf is completely repulsive to me, but this reviewer is making it seem like a good idea in order to understand what's happening today, although I am put off by his enthusiasm and words such as "eloquent" and "great". It's hard to tell if the reviewer has learned how to combat fascism from reading Hitler's book or if he's embraced it wholeheartedly. Hitler and all he did is so repugnant to me I really don't know if I could tolerate holding Mein Kampf in my hands, much less read it. Reading the books Vince mentioned in another post sounds like a good idea, so I'll start with those. > So Debra, fascism is alive and well and (also) living in america. Yes, I agree with that. A while back Kate (I think) posted a list of the characteristics of fascism, and examples from what's happening now in the U.S. instantly came to mind for each item on that list. As much as I'd like to say the U.S. is heading toward fascism only because the extremely conservative religious right is now in charge, and has had a huge influence since the Reagan years, I don't think they are completely responsible. What can be done? Getting Kerry elected will help, I think, but that's not the whole answer. Debra Shea, in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:05:02 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Repubs in charge--Hitler's "Kampf"--njc Debra writes: << Hitler and all he did is so repugnant to me I really don't know if I could tolerate holding Mein Kampf in my hands, much less read it. >> I know what you mean, Debra. But worse for me would be actually *buying* Mein Kampf at a crowded bookstore. Can you imagine going up to the register with the latest David Sedaris, a hot new novel or two, some magazines ... and MEIN KAMPF by ADOLPH HITLER?! I wonder who gets the royalties, anyway. Probably Michael Jackson. If you do plan to read it, may I suggest the local library? Just tell those nice librarians you can't bear to buy the book and they'll understand. - --Smurf, who has always cringed at the sight of Hitler, but thinks librarians and nurses are okay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 01:25:53 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Repubs in charge--Hitler's "Kampf"--njc I wonder who gets the royalties, anyway. Probably > Michael Jackson. LOL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:46:38 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest 2004 Photos Wow, what exquisite photographs, Ashara! Thanks for posting them...my day is made! Love the ones of Jenny against the Full Moon backdrop...I can almost hear her singing so sweet and high. [Mental note: Gotta get the Fest CD!] And is that Sue Cameron looking all svelte and hip with her long flowing locks of blonde? Let me catch my breath...looks like single life has been berry, berry good to you, girlfriend. Sure missed seeing you and catching up on what all. I pulled out some of the mini-fest photos from Manhattan that year, and I'm looking at you, Alison, Nikki, Brian and Rose and me at that bar we went to near Central Park. You're hot per usual in the pic, but you look strikingly beautiful in Ashara's photos, I must say. (Blushing, aren't ya? Hee, hee. Sorry.) And Ashara, I think you *must* be having light issues with your lens on outside shots.. Where's Paz's trademark "paunch"?! It's like, gone! He can't sing "Me and My Shadow" out there anymore. He can probably even see his feet now! Surely, I'm going to plotz! Looking good, boyeee! And I know, I know, don't call you "Shirley." My love and life partner is coming along as well as can be realistically hoped after her recent heart attack, so I'm in good spirits on this sunny Sunday. My apologies for not getting the MG discs out yet as I had hoped, but I want to get the art just right and I just haven't had the time. Soon. Love to all, Julius In a message dated 9/5/2004 10:40:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, AsharaProducLLC@aol.com writes: > I just finished uploading 139 photos from Fest. If anyone is interested in > > checking them out, go to: _http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/ashara-jf2004_ > (http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/ashara-jf2004) > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 01:24:25 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Repubs in charge--Hitler, Fascism, njc > The idea of reading Mein Kampf is completely repulsive to me, but this > reviewer is making it seem like a good idea in order to understand > what's happening today, although I am put off by his enthusiasm and > words such as "eloquent" and "great". It's hard to tell if the reviewer > has learned how to combat fascism from reading Hitler's book or if he's > embraced it wholeheartedly. Hitler and all he did is so repugnant to me > I really don't know if I could tolerate holding Mein Kampf in my hands, > much less read it. > > Reading the books Vince mentioned in another post sounds like a good > idea, so I'll start with those. > > > So Debra, fascism is alive and well and (also) living in america. > > Yes, I agree with that. A while back Kate (I think) posted a list of the > characteristics of fascism, and examples from what's happening now in > the U.S. instantly came to mind for each item on that list. As much as > I'd like to say the U.S. is heading toward fascism only because the > extremely conservative religious right is now in charge, and has had a > huge influence since the Reagan years, I don't think they are completely responsible. Debra, We have a misunderstanding here. It never crossed my mind that the reviewer could be anything else but a fascist using current events to make Hitler's apology. After all, he speaks of Hitler as such an "eloquent" man who wrote " a great book on the philosophy of life and politics, that has not gone out of date, it fits in perfectly to describe the world exactly as it is today!" The irony is that the reviewer builds his argument upon U.S. politics and in so doing I get the impression that he pretty much makes the same point as you do. Hence my writing that "I know you mean the opposite" which meant: from this fascist reviewer, since I know your feelings about fascism (I feel the same way you do about Mein Kampf). Well thinking about it, the arguments are not the same: you're saying the U.S. is heading toward facism and the reviewer is saying that the conditions are already there, such as in 20's germany. It never ceases to amaze me how same statements (e.g. by the reviewer) and same events (e.g. current U.S. politics) can be construed in opposite ways or made to support opposite viewpoints. By the way, what you learned in history class about germany was true, but they omitted to mention that antisemitism (aka the scapegoat trick) was a very powerful national binding force as well as Hitler's personal obsession. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 01:34:21 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Killing children, njc Hey What do you think about this article about the latest russian hostage crisis? http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/28066.htm If one overlooks the pro-U.S. military side arguments , what about the main points? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 02:01:47 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 6 On September 6 the following articles were published: 1979: "Joni Mitchell Makes Mingus Sing" - Down Beat (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=95 1979: "The Babe in Bopperland and the Great Jazz Composer" - Rolling Stone (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=301 1979: "Woodstock's Child Returns as Jazz Baby" - Monday Magazine (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=188 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 02:44:55 -0400 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Republicans for Kerry site NJC PC I just found this website this morning. Maybe some of the Republican JMDLers would find the pro-Kerry articles here more palatable, since they are written by Republicans: http://republicansforkerry04.org/ Marian Vienna ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #370 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)