From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #367 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 3 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 367 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Joni DVD offer!!!!!!!!! [Lori Fye ] Re: Bob's Sweet 16 Vol.3 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The L Word njc [Lori Fye ] Re: i've gone Bi njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Repubs in charge NJC PC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Dan Fogelberg (SJC) NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Bob's Sweet 16 Vol.3 [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Bob's Sweet 16 Vol.3 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Bob's Sweet 16 Vol.3 njc [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: Bob's Sweet 16 Vol.3 njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Repubs in charge--Hitler, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Bob's Sweet 16 Vol.3 njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Black Crow [BRIANASYMES@aol.com] Re: i've gone Bi njc ["Martin Giles" ] Joni DVD through Paypal [AsharaJM@aol.com] Bi focals, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Beth Patterson newsletter (NJC) ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] jonifest2004, a message from viggo - njc ["patrick leader" ] Re: Repubs in charge NJC PC ["Marian Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:21:42 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: RE: Joni DVD offer!!!!!!!!! > I didn't though! > I would still like to know what email addy to Paypal to. > Thanks! Try AsharaProducLLC@aol.com; I believe that's the correct one. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:22:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob's Sweet 16 Vol.3 In a message dated 9/2/2004 1:21:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, davidsapp@peoplepc.com writes: It is well paced, superbly sequenced - just a really fine recording. BRAVO Bob. Hey, thanks for the good word, David. I like it myself...in fact, I'm spinning it right now! That cover is River is so awesome that it took me umpteen-odd listens before I realized that Conoscenti edits some of the lyric out. But when he melds into that "Imagine" riff, I get chills, man. Chills. Bob, chillin' NP: The Fourth Stream, "In France They Kiss On Main Street" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:22:56 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The L Word njc > About a lesbian-themed TV show, Lori writes: > > << Stick it out, Colin; I think you'll like it. >> > > Please people, don't give wiseguys like me easy material like this. You KNOW I love baiting you, Smurf!! : D Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:38:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: i've gone Bi njc --- Lori Fye wrote: > I have two words for this situation: > > Mono vision. > > Done with laser surgery, aka Lasik, this means > having one eye adjusted to > correct farsightedness and the other to correct > nearsightedness. Yes, you can > have Lasik done if you have an astigmatism. > I was at the point where I thought I might be able to do this, when it was discovered I have a cataract on one eye. They can't do laser eye surgery if you have cataracts (Why the hell not? it's all done with Lasers, so it sounds like a good deal to me - the 2-for-1 special!) The good news is, the cataract hasn't gotten any worse since last year. I figure if I concentrate hard enough, I can make it go away. Maybe they'll figure this out in the next few years, who knows? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:42:22 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Repubs in charge NJC PC ** so it's not going to work for the Democrats to try to stay above the dirt.** Kerry (to his credit) is playing the campaign like he's a Jeopardy contestant, while Bush-Cheney (with Rove directing every nuance brilliantly) are playing like they're in the boxing ring. Hopefully Kerry will stop trying to talk to the fence-sitters and will get charged up to get the apathetic 50% of our nation to get involved and vote. I read today that new voter registration is way, way up. That's a good thing obviously, since the Neocons have been organized and active for a long time, not just now waking up. I said way back when that this election will come down to one thing - voter turnout, especially in the battleground states. But the polls, even spun by both sides, show that JFK has taken a big beating with all the Swift Boat nonsense. Kerry made a BIG mistake making his Vietnam service an issue, instead of using the publicity of the DNC to broadcast what most Americans are REALLY concerned about; The economy, health care, the economy, education, the economy, the MAJOR FUBAR that is Iraq, the economy, etc. Clinton beat Bush's Dad by continually hitting on what MATTERED to people and countering the Repug's slimeballs immediately. Why has the Kerry camp not learned from that? Bob NP: kd, "Jericho" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:50:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Dan Fogelberg (SJC) NJC In a message dated 9/2/2004 11:12:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ckarma@hotmail.com writes: CC (the cover boy on this month's Crack Whore magazine) Thanks for the info - I just got my issue last week, CC...always a pleasure putting a face with a name! Anyway, like most double LP's, 'The Innocent Age' would have been a classic single LP, but there's just too much filler on it to put it in the same league as his hat trick or even Home Free which I also love but it doesn't have the solid fleshed-out consistency of the others. Maybe if he's had more budget...but compare his stripped down debut with STAS and you'll see what I mean. And only my Grandma had permission to call me Bobby. You didn't know that so you get the one free pass which is now used up. Bob NP: Karrin Allyson, "Help Me" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:52:23 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob's Sweet 16 Vol.3 Musical Muller writes: << spinning it right now! That cover is River is so awesome that it took me umpteen-odd listens before I realized that Conoscenti edits some of the lyric out. But when he melds into that "Imagine" riff, I get chills, man. Chills. >> Yes, but doesn't he get there by way of Auld Lang Syne? I loved this River. I think I'll put it in constant rotation for the bloody holidays. I was raving about this at the fest, but I didn't want to ruin the O. Henry for anyone, but now that the secret's out -- enjoy! - --Smurf "I feel pretty ... patriotic." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:56:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob's Sweet 16 Vol.3 **Yes, but doesn't he get there by way of Auld Lang Syne? Yes he does...it's three - three - three covers in one! Bob "You have got to discover you, what you do, and trust it" Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:06:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Bob's Sweet 16 Vol.3 njc Just gave mine a listen today Bob and it's gorgeous. And I'm not a covers queen by any means, but I love each and every selection. Thank you. Hey, hope you and all the branch floridians have a great time this weekend. We'll be thinking of you (even though ya'll ditched us at Full Moon. grr). Will Frances cause you any trouble? Jenny SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/2/2004 1:21:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, davidsapp@peoplepc.com writes: It is well paced, superbly sequenced - just a really fine recording. BRAVO Bob. Hey, thanks for the good word, David. I like it myself...in fact, I'm spinning it right now! That cover is River is so awesome that it took me umpteen-odd listens before I realized that Conoscenti edits some of the lyric out. But when he melds into that "Imagine" riff, I get chills, man. Chills. Bob, chillin' NP: The Fourth Stream, "In France They Kiss On Main Street" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:00:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob's Sweet 16 Vol.3 njc **We'll be thinking of you (even though ya'll ditched us at Full Moon. grr). Yep, you have me all figured out Jenny, as soon as I found out YOU were going I changed my plans, because after all we all know how MEAN & NASTY you are. **Will Frances cause you any trouble? I'm sure so...it appears that the Fest Gods have been angered by my heading south instead of north, but y'know, what's life without an adventure or two? And besides, if you're going to weather a storm, who better to be with than Joni pals? Bob NPIMH: Joni, "Stormy Weather" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 02:22:41 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Repubs in charge--Hitler, njc Debra wrote: > These Repubs now in charge are tending toward fascism. People think of > Nazis and right away jump to the killing of millions of Jews, and say oh > no that couldn't happen here! And I don't think it could either. > However, anyone saying that could never happen here needs to keep in > mind that Hitler wasn't obvious about his plans. He didn't say he was > going to kill six million Jews, he set up the environment where it could > happen, where it made sense to the Nazis in charge for that to happen, > and we need to be aware of the same steps toward fascism being taken in > the U.S. Hi Debra I haven't been following this political trend at all, so I'm not reflecting here on U.S. politics whatsoever. My 2 cents is that one needs to realize that Germany was the most advanced nation at the time from an arts and culture standpoint. Likewise Poland where a lot of atrocities took place was the home of Chopin and a very refined place, so was Latvia. These countries were not savage barbaric lands but the epitomy of western civilization. So the bottom line is all survivors I ever met said the same thing: "if it could happen in 30's Germany, it can happen anywhere". History proves that no country is immune to genocide. Remember the american-indians? Another thing, your post sounds like Hitler orchestrated the whole thing. You may not mean it like that but I wish to clarify that Hitler couldn't do it alone, he had to have enough motivated participants and they were not merely "following orders". Many Germans and French put their heart into it and went way beyond the call of "duty". Poles, Latvians, Hungarians, etc volunteered to do the dirty work. More French collaborated than were true Resistants. Even the allies have some responsibility for refusing to "waste a single bomb on non-strategic targets" such as the railroads leading to the camps. Both the U.S. and England sent back ships packed with german jews to a certain death in Germany from NY and Palestine respectively. Yet there were always some people who had the courage to say no and refuse to go with the flow. You are wrong in saying Hitler didn't say he was going to kill all the jews. He did, Mein Kampf spells it all out. The problem is not enough people believed he would do what he wrote. My father used to say that Hitler was the only politician ever who kept his promises. So much for politics! Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:07:55 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob's Sweet 16 Vol.3 njc Full of a dangerous delusion of self-importance, Muller writes: << it appears that the Fest Gods have been angered by my heading south instead of north >> I don't think the Fest Gods give a damn whether it's down south between the trailers or up north behind a yurt. (Hi, Michael!) - --Smurf "How do I support our troops? Honey, let me tell ya ..." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:36:46 EDT From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: Black Crow This minor deja vu hits me at the beginning of Black Crow / Hejira. In the First 10 seconds of the song the guitar is playing chords similar to that old song Burl Ives made famous "Kisses Sweeter than Wine." My Amelia is starting Kindergarten this fall soon the Big yellow school bus will be taking her away. Her favorite song is from the Thornberry's Movie, "Father and Daughter" by Paul Simon. She sings all through the song while we driving down to the book store for a long reading party. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 03:35:22 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: i've gone Bi njc With a bit of luck Catherine, your kids got your hearing and your ex's sight. Hopefully your singing voice too! Hey, the human race may yet have a future :) Martin. Catherine wrote; > > Thanks to the miracles of modern science, not only did > I make it to maturity (that IS a relative term - I may > be old, but am not sure if I'm a grown-up), but I also > managed to reproduce. Take THAT, Mother Nature! If my > kids get my eyesight and my ex's hearing, the species > is doomed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 22:37:31 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni DVD through Paypal Sorry, folks. I forgot to tell you which address to go through with Paypal. Please use this one: _AsharaProducLLC@aol.com_ (mailto:AsharaProducLLC@aol.com) If you've already used the AsharaJM one that's fine. Also, please be patient as we need to copy them and put them together. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:03:16 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Bi focals, njc Aww, c'mon! My father's father dropped dead of heart problems at 45. I would have been pushing up daisies long ago if it wasn't for antibiotics, I'm sure. I'm glad I still have a pulse. I don't mind eating salads and salmon all the time 'cause it means I might not have bypass surgery like my father's brother, and my father. The bifocals are a piece of cake. Old man L'Hommedieu (whose hearing loss started in the 1970s, before ELP limited their dBs.) "But they 'was' louder at The Rainbow." Catherine of Toronto said, << Why would nature make people's eyesight change after the age of>> << 40 or thereabouts? It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.>> << Maybe we're supposed to be weak prey and get weeded out by>> << predators or something?>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:17:37 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Beth Patterson newsletter (NJC) Uh-oh. There really is a God? Do you s'pose I'll blow her mind when I ask her to sign her 1st album (many miles from her home) in Dayton, Ohio then ask her to sign her 2nd album in Columbus the next night? I guess I'll have to figure out something clever to say like, "Did Paz ever put out that Joni tribute collection?" Naw. All the best, Jim np: "Spanish Castle Magic" (live) at full volume on Thursday night at 11:11 PM, trying to compensate for missing the JMDL reunion I suppose. You said my favorite Louisianns export's schedule includes: > Friday, September 10th: The Dublin Pub, Dayton, OH > Saturday, September 11th: Byrne's Pub, Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 00:35:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: i've gone Bi njc --- Martin Giles wrote: > With a bit of luck Catherine, your kids got your > hearing and your ex's > sight. Hopefully your singing voice too! Hey, the > human race may yet have a > future :) > > Martin. You are TOO kind - I like that!!! (Blushing furiously). ND: Now downloading - on the P2P thing - a Mingus tune at <2Kb/S - 1/3 of the way there and only 12 hrs to go. Damn, this better be good! Also a Fotheringay tune from CynicalAndDrunkAndBoring at >31kB/s, which is more like it. Sandy Denny lives. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 01:07:01 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: jonifest2004, a message from viggo - njc hello my dears: usual disclaimer: lack of mention does not imply lack of adoration. i loves all of you and am honored to be in the presence of such artistry. well, after having a truly amazing fest, and a lovely evening out in new york with most of the members of stryngs, as well as les irvin and kay, i had to head back to work tuesday, where i had an emotional crash, fucked off all day, pissed off my boss (and finally myself) and am just now recovering my equilibrium. jfest will do that for one. but post-fest blues are worth every moment of pain, because the joyous memories are forever. i felt a little odd going to the fest this year, as i've recently stopped drinking etc. and i've been known to party with the heartiest in previous years. mostly, my fest experience was undiminished (and my ability to be a smart-assed loudmouth is clearly unrelated to alcohol), but i did get a little depressed at not being in the party mode with everyone else, by sunday night, and i did have to take a pass on the late nights at the pool room. oh well. it was an amazing weekend of music. lots of people have talked about their high points, and i'll try not to repeat others, but i do have to share a few. stryngs was fantastic all weekend. on friday, they did an all-joni set, finishing with a wonderful 'dreamland', with strings and les sharing most of the vocals, les' working his brazilian hips and audience members starting a conga line. did you hear that derek is a brilliant drummer? you will... stryngs' last song on their sunday set was 'frank's song' one of their best, and in particular, les and chris on the harmony at the end took the song to another level. it was the first time i cried all weekend, and apparently i wasn't the only one. strings' lyrics killed me many times: 'you obsessed over me and i obsessed over your obsessing over me', and 'i'd like to write a trashy novel round your navel'. giselle is just such an amazing musician and person. she's so funny, and she's so ribald that you're not surprised when she nails a rock or blues piece. and i could listen to her play the guitar all day and all night. but even more special, when giselle plays and sings a ballad, like the song she did during her set about 'a void in my heart', and even more so, cohen's 'hallelujah' with claude... moments i'm going to treasure a long time. and, oh god, her guitar and vocal version of 'two grey rooms'! a joke from derek: how do you titillate an ocelot? oscillate its tits a lot. (i'll spare you strings' jokes, and you'll thank me for it) i really loved catherine's set. she did a superb version of 'night ride home', and a really satisfying and unusual version of 'beat of black wings'. i mentioned to several people that being on the jonilist for so long and acquiring so many shows and cds and cover versions has, in some ways, made me afraid to play joni too much at home. i almost got sick of her. so, with some of these songs, it was like they were fresh all over again. singing back-up on paz' 'passion play' and yes, singing 'all i want' with maggie, claud and barbara had that magic. not a music memory but. there's a lovely little stretch of stream and waterfall just up the road from the full moon, a regular spot to visit for jfesters. on thursday evening i was talking up a friday am visit when ashara said she'd never been, so i promised to bring her along, but somehow she got left behind (maybe because she sat down for breakfast at 10:40 am). well, i swear, you'd think i'd shot santa claus. plenty o' grief through most of friday and sat. sat evening, i tried to distract her with my cool batik-y dance pants, which quieted the lion roar briefly (they're officially now my 'suck up to ashara' pants) but not for long. sunday afternoon, betty and i scored the loan of paz' car for quick trek and waited for ashara to get back from woodstock to invite her, but no, someone had to go to a bookswap. and when we returned, paz ran out and told us his book was locked in the car, and whining was heard in the wind 'even the book got to go to the waterfall...' but now it can be revealed: there's an adorable family of tofubunnies living up there under a leaf, and i couldn't let that vicious tofuvore stansfield near them, the screams would have haunted me... they live free another year. ashara's gaelic song was wonderful, but the marblehead song was out of this world. god knows i love the woman, despite her brutal taste for tofu flesh and sarcasm. but seriously, it was nice that everyone noticed how much i look like viggo mortenssen. but better. susan guzzi was terrific, even (especially) singing 'little green'. i loved donna's singing more than ever, but it was 'angel from montgomery' on thursday, that moved me deepest. dr. laura's updated and very political arlo song made me very happy, as did her great 'battle of evermore'. and betty's flute playing, in that set and elsewhere. the mg tribute came pretty late sunday night, and for me the energy of the weekend was winding down as were my expectations. but it was amazing, with, as mentioned before, - - hallelujah with giselle and claudia - - the waifs song with les i., jenny, stryngs and rachel - - the chuck e. song 'whispering winds' with jenny (chuck, what did you mean by 'superfluous? this was just super!) - - mary's talk about mg had me in tears - - les ross, the sexiest human on earth, singing sweet bird just so many great memories to hold onto. i love jenny goodspeed, as a person and as an artist. jenny, claud and kay were harmony queens last weekend, and it just became better and better to hear. yow! monday night in new york with stryngs, les i. and kay was very fun, particularly because we heard some fine music at 'the living room', a small live music club in new york (jesse harris, guy who won a couple of songwriting grammies with norah jones, with bill frisell guesting on geetar. sweet!) i'm going through some changes in my life, good changes, but i'm definitely facing down some personal flaws. i'm finding that i've been really selfish and fearful with my heart for many years, but being with this group of people, seeing how easily they share their hearts and gifts, well it's inspiring. gives me a vision. i'm so lucky to be a part of this community. love, and have a wonderful time! patrick np - palestrina, miserere "the child is so sweet, and the girls are so rapturous. isn't it lovely how artists can capture us?" 'children and art', from sondheim's 'sunday in the park with george' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 01:44:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: jonifest2004, a message from viggo - njc --- patrick leader wrote: > stryngs was fantastic all weekend. on friday, they > did an all-joni set, > finishing with a wonderful 'dreamland', with strings > and les sharing most of > the vocals, les' working his brazilian hips and > audience members starting a > conga line. did you hear that derek is a brilliant > drummer? you will... > stryngs' last song on their sunday set was 'frank's > song' one of their best, > and in particular, les and chris on the harmony at > the end took the song to > another level. it was the first time i cried all > weekend, and apparently i > wasn't the only one. strings' lyrics killed me many > times: 'you obsessed > over me and i obsessed over your obsessing over me', > and 'i'd like to write > a trashy novel round your navel'. Would someone from Stryngs please, please, PLEASE send us all the words to that song about the pen running dry! That was the most brilliant thing I've heard in a long time - one of those songs that makes you laugh and cry at the same time; romantically quirky and quirkily romantic. Patrick, I so understand your feelings of just wanting to piss off for a while. I'm so glad I'm not at work this week. Here it is 1:30 a.m. and I'm still up (usually I've crashed by 11 p.m.) I am so upset that my camera ran out of film just as the conga line was forming and, by the time I had a new roll in, it was done. However, given that most of the pictures suck anyway, such that no one seems to have any features on their face, I suppose it doesn't matter. We'll have to play at "guess who it is by the body shape." ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 02:04:24 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 3 On September 3 the following articles were published: 1970: "Canadian Wins Ovation At Isle Of Wight Festival" - Welland Evening Tribune (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=648 1974: "Bronchitis Attack; Joni Mitchell Cancels Show" - Denver Post (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1143 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 23:16:20 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Repubs in charge NJC PC >These Repubs now in charge are tending toward fascism. People think of Nazis and right away jump to the killing of millions of Jews, and say oh no that couldn't happen here! And I don't think it could either. However, anyone saying that could never happen here needs to keep in mind that Hitler wasn't obvious about his plans. He didn't say he was going to kill six million Jews, he set up the environment where it could happen, where it made sense to the Nazis in charge for that to happen, and we need to be aware of the same steps toward fascism being taken in the U.S. I'd stopped worrying about all of that, but hearing the crowd cheer Arnold, the Nixon-loving movie star, brings it to the fore again.< health care or lack of it is the key parallel issue here ... the current republican agenda is weeding out all (over time) who are not super wealthy... what is hard to fathom is those who do not benefit from this agenda but still support it... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 02:48:46 -0400 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: Repubs in charge NJC PC Thank you for your great post, Debra. I think instead of trying to get cheered up by looking for positive editorials in the NY Times, Chicago Tribune, SF Chronicle, and Washington Post every day, I should just switch from Joni-only to the regular Joni list so that I can always read your political posts!!! I was very heartened this morning when the morning news followed George Bush's (unbearable) sound bites directly with Senator Kerry's midnight speech in Ohio. What a relief and what a great speech! Yes! Yes! Yes! This is what he has to say. He hired some new speech writers, so his messages in the future should be more along these lines: + + + + "For three days in New York, instead of talking about jobs and the economy, we heard anger and insults from the Republicans. And I'll tell you why. It's because they can't talk about the real issues facing Americans. They can't talk about their record because it's a record of failure. "We all saw the anger and distortion of the Republican Convention. For the past week, they attacked my patriotism and my fitness to serve as commander in chief. Well, here's my answer. I'm not going to have my commitment to defend this country questioned by those who refused to serve when they could have and by those who have misled the nation into Iraq. "The vice president even called me unfit for office last night. I guess I'll leave it up to the voters whether five deferments makes someone more qualified to defend this nation than two tours of duty. "Let me tell you what I think makes someone unfit for duty. Misleading our nation into war in Iraq makes you unfit to lead this nation. Doing nothing while this nation loses millions of jobs makes you unfit to lead this nation. Letting 45 million Americans go without health care makes you unfit to lead this nation. Letting the Saudi royal family control our energy costs makes you unfit to lead this nation. Handing out billions of government contracts to Halliburton while you're still on their payroll makes you unfit. That's the record of George Bush and Dick Cheney. And it's not going to change. I believe it's time to move America in a new direction; I believe it's time to set a new course for America." + + + + Marian Vienna + + + + + Debra Shea wrote: It looks like Bush has solid support but the truth is filtering out. More people are learning about things like the way anyone going to a rally for Bush or Cheney has to sign a loyalty oath that includes saying they'll vote for Bush/Cheney before they're allowed into the rally, so of course everyone there is enthusiastic and that's what people see on tv. All of those "regular citizen" questions are vetted beforehand, too, so the whole show of enthusiasm for Bush is fake. Info about all of that manipulation is getting out. It doesn't sit well with people who love their freedom. One good sign for the Democrats is that the Repubs at their convention are playing to their base, and my thought is if they don't have their base on their side already, they're in trouble (good!). + + + + + ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #367 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)