From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #362 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, August 30 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 362 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re:was 'ACOY' Joni/k.d.lang Pronoun Debate...NJC now about joan baez ["R] Re: 'ACOY' Joni/k.d.lang Pronoun Debate...NJC now ["Ron" ] Re: 'ACOY' Joni/k.d.lang Pronoun Debate...NJC now [] Re: k. d.'s Joni covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] intimate joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: k. d.'s Joni covers [Brenda ] Dr. King, Not! a dreamer (probably should be njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Dreamland painting [Randy Remote ] Re: Yet Do I Marvel [Brenda ] "Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell" (Pink Dress Video) [simon@icu.com] Re: "Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell" (Pink Dress Video) [SCJoniGuy@aol] Re: Yet Do I Marvel [vince ] Re: Republican convention (NJC) [dsk ] Re: NYC protests NJC [dsk ] Diana Krall's muse is guess who? [dsk ] A joyful noise (was Yet Do I Marvel) NJC [dsk ] RE: Republican convention (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: A joyful noise (was Yet Do I Marvel) NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Speaking of ACOY covers... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] njc Dallas area Jonilistas? (shameless self-promotion) [Neil Orts Subject: Re:was 'ACOY' Joni/k.d.lang Pronoun Debate...NJC now about joan baez hi >>>harry wrote >>>> You should check out the fascinating book POSITIVELY 4th STREET by David Hajdu. Its all about the Dylan and Baez relationship and Mimi Farina (Joan's sister) and Richard Farina's marriage...its a fun read. another really good read is "And A Voice To Sing With" written by joan baez. entertaining, thought provoking, and really well written. joan certainly has been an integral part of, or present at a lot of history over the past couple of decades, and is extremely intelligent, compassionate and human. in so many ways she personifies all that was so good about the 60's & 70's. maybe she should run for politics - she would certainly get my vote without any hesitation.... ron np - train - its about you ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:04:25 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: 'ACOY' Joni/k.d.lang Pronoun Debate...NJC now hi as far as changing jonis lyrics go - im very much of the opinion that most of her lyrics are so precise and razor sharp, that any change in them would probably be a bad move - it would take someone of immense talent and ability to improve on jonis work!!!!! i havent heard kd's version - but on paper changing "him" to "it" certainly changes the entire feel and meaning of the line (from a person to an object???) and negatively impacts on the song. i do respect that kd was probably trying to make it more personal & meaningful to her, but i think she has disrupted flow of the song quite badly. i once saw a tv interview with amy grant. when she was about to record her cover of BYT she phoned joni. during the course of the conversation she asked joni if she should change anything on the song to update it. joni suggested she change " And they charged the people A dollar and a half just to see 'em" to " And they charged the people a twenty five bucks just to see 'em" (im not too sure now about the exact amount) ron np - train - something more ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:45:13 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Dreamland painting Hi Jonifesters and non-jonifesters I hope you are all having a wonderful time on this bank holiday weekend. (Jonifester - sounds like what you get when you've listened to too much Joni all at once ;)) I was watching the Refuge of the Roads dvd and looking at the photo diary which is wonderful and familiar (as a touring actor, those backstage photos look so familiar, especially the ones from the European leg of her tour!). I came upon a photo of her standing next to a poster of her tour in French. She's offering flowers in one hand and holding another bunch in the other. Yes, this is the EXACT photo she used for the Dreamland painting. The hands are precise and exactly like the one in the painting - just, I think, badly transposed as it's from a photo, not a slide, where you can be more accurate. It's by Joel Bernstein and a lovely photo. I'm not sure if the current theory of the hand withering stands up here. In the photo, her left hand still does look like a bunch of bananas. The dvd was a belated birthday present from my brother and it arrived from the US on Friday. Have a nice weekend Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 9:45:38 -0400 From: Subject: k. d.'s Joni covers Okay, I'm gonna defend k.d. lang. (This is a first!) First a few disclaimers. I don't have her new cd. I wish she hadn't put Neil Young's "After The Gold Rush" on it because it means the radio will never play the brand-new version of that song that the Cowboy Junkies put out this summer. Now on to the revised line "go with it, stay with it if you can" Here in the midwest, "go with it" is an expression unto itself. It means "roll with the punches" and "make the best of it". Both of those definitions fit Joni's original intent. kd changed to a genderless pronoun but she's not calling the object of her affections "it". "It" is the flawed but viable relationship. "It" might be a marraige. "go with it, stay with it if you can" It works for me. All the best, Lama Bob Muller said, >But it suddenly occurred to me...what if she was talking about "Cousin It" from The Addams Family? Then it all makes sense - LOL!> Bob Muller said, >>The ONLY "cop-out" choice was the one she made..."go with it, stay with it", which really means NOTHING and dilutes the power of the lyric on any level as it has only a vague non-comitting interpretation.>> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:04:24 -0400 From: Subject: Re: 'ACOY' Joni/k.d.lang Pronoun Debate...NJC now Bob, On the "Bob Dylan Live 1975" disc (Rolling Thunder Revue) he said, "People tell me it's a crime to know too much for too long a time. She should have caught me in my prime. She would have stayed with me instead of going off to Spain and leaving me too many tapes all about a... simple twist of fate." Maybe Joan heard it the other way night after night and decided to "go with it" (if she could). All the best, Lama Bob Muller asked: >Maybe you can tell me why Joan sang a different lyric when she covered Dylan's majestic song "A Simple Twist Of Fate"...Dylan's original lines (working from memory here) "People tell me it's a sin To know & feel too much within I still believe she was my twin" And Ms. Baez sang: "People tell me it's a crime To (something something something) time All it cost me was a dime"> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:16:28 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: k. d.'s Joni covers **"go with it, stay with it if you can" It works for me. ** But it's not "go with it, stay with it if you can", it's "go with it, stay with it (pause)" which gives you just enough time to crinkle your eyebrows and wonder what she means with the alteration. And I concur with Mark that the absolute capper of the couplet is "but be prepared to bleed" which kd includes and nails. Maybe the "it" in question is a rabid dog? And those who have it know that Joni's earliest version of ACOY was very different from what went on Blue. If you haven't heard it and would like to, lemme know and I'll send you the file. Bob NP: Kate Hammett-Vaughan Quintet, "For The Roses" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:28:41 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: intimate joni > It made me yearn for Joni to take a similar sojourn of smaller more intimate venues.< I agree, intimate venues are the crhme de la crhme for most musicians... the best sound & audience connection... like when they were starting out & had the small clubs but now because of their name they can get the best ones... I wonder if joni is not doing this because it is difficult for her to play & to sing like she used to- even though there are those among us who do love her voice right now, different as it is from her younger days... I think perhaps that performing has never been her favorite thing... I think she is someone who is happier with the creative process, thus painting is the process now (in the recent interview she talks about loosing herself in the process- writing on guitar or piano or dulcimer used to do that for her- remember nash's comment in who&m dvd?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:06:17 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: k. d.'s Joni covers On Saturday, August 28, 2004, at 06:39 PM, Kate Bennett wrote: > Hi mark & hell, well I used crime as a slang to mean a very bad > artistic > choice... I don't think changing a lyric per se is criminal (again > using the > slang version) but in this case it was lazy writing imo which I > consider a > crime because joni is so meticulous (mostly) with her lyric choices :~) I understand what you mean Kate, however aren't you guys assuming that Joni had nothing to do with it? With the reverence that kd has for Joni, I wouldn't doubt that she discussed it with her. "It" may have been Joni's choice for all we know. I didn't necessarily have a problem with changing the word itself. It's just that her delivery seemed more deliberate which made me focus on it more. For someone who doesn't know the lyrics intimately like us, I'll bet it goes unnoticed and uncommented upon. The choice of changing lyrics always struck me as being dependent upon the singer's intent. If this were on a "songbook" type of record I would want it to be true to the original lyric. Since these songs were chosen because of kd's personal connection to them, I understand the choice. And "Hymns" is virtually flawless, so I've grown not to care as much as when I first heard it. B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:11:20 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Dr. King, Not! a dreamer (probably should be njc) Simon (excerpt from article) >"I knew that America would never invest the necessary funds or energies in rehabilitation of its poor so long as Vietnam continued to draw men and skills and money like some demonic, destructive suction tube," Dr. King continued. "So I was increasingly compelled to see the war as an enemy of the poor and to attack it as such? We were taking the young Black men who had been crippled by our society and sending them 8,000 miles away to guarantee liberties in Southeast Asia, which they had not found in Southwest Georgia and East Harlem."< This inspired me, thank you simon! A few months ago there was a good documentary on the civil rights movement... having grown up in this era (but a bit too young or white or suburban to be totally aware of all that was going on) I was struck by how radical he was at the time... hearing him speak in the context of that time... he was a very revolutionary voice calling out against the powers that be... I am also reminded of the women who first fought (& endured prison & torture) for the right to vote for women (and other rights) - it astounds me to think how relatively recently in history we (women) were in reality the property of men... & all of this is relevant to what is happening right here right now... because again there is a war where the poor is fighting, dying & becoming ill (mentally, spiritually, physically even if they live through it) in the interests of the most wealthy... I believe we are in a most monumental time, one where we could loose our democracy & possibly never get it back & one where we could already have set in motion the forces that have the potential to alter life on earth (speaking from an environmental point of view) ... & the politics, the war & the environmental issues are totally intertwined... the big picture as I see it is still about the powerful few desperate to hold onto what they have in spite of the fact that their status quo is destroying life on this planet... Joni is speaking of these things in her interviews so I do believe these things are appropriate for discussion here on this list ... I believe these things are appropriate to be discussed everywhere because we are in at a critical crossroads (there is a hopi prophecy with a diagram that always comes to mind) & there are many who are still asleep... As a current tie in with simon's excerpt above, yesterday I played Steve Earle's brand new song "Rich Man's War" at a gig where I looked around & wondered if the audience would be supportive (or if someone might throw a beer bottle at me :~}- it's a real mix of people at this particular venue)... even though I messed up on the song a bit I do think I got a very warm reception... all credit for that goes to mr earle who can so masterfully tell a compassionate story while still taking a stand... Thanks for the soapbox :~} kate www.katebennett.com >Rich Man's War (Steve Earle) Jimmy joined the army 'cause he had no place to go There ain't nobody hirin' 'round here since all the jobs went down to Mexico Reckoned that he'd learn himself a trade maybe see the world Move to the city someday and marry a black haired girl Somebody somewhere had another plan Now he's got a rifle in his hand Rollin' into Baghdad wonderin' how he got this far Just another poor boy off to fight a rich man's war Bobby had an eagle and a flag tattooed on his arm Red white and blue to the bone when he landed in Kandahar Left behind a pretty young wife and a baby girl A stack of overdue bills and went off to save the world Been a year now and he's still there Chasin' ghosts in the thin dry air Meanwhile back at home the finance company took his car Just another poor boy off to fight a rich man's war When will we ever learn When will we ever see We stand up and take our turn And keep tellin' ourselves we're free Ali was the second son of a second son Grew up in Gaza throwing bottles and rocks when the tanks would come Ain't nothin' else to do around here just a game children play Somethin' 'bout livin' in fear all your life makes you hard that way He answered when he got the call Wrapped himself in death and praised Allah A fat man in a new Mercedes drove him to the door Just another poor boy off to fight a rich man's war< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:32:34 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: k. d.'s Joni covers > kd changed to a genderless pronoun but she's not calling the object > of her affections "it". "It" is the flawed but viable relationship. > "It" might be a marraige. Exactly! I guess if it's a midwestern expression, maybe it's my Iowa roots that are showing. But the meaning was clear to me from the first time I heard it. And it only alters the meaning very slightly if at all. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:39:40 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Dreamland painting Jamie Zubairi wrote: > I was watching the Refuge of the Roads dvd and looking at the photo diary > I came upon a photo of her standing next to a poster of her tour in French. She's offering flowers in one hand and holding another bunch in the other. Yes, this is the EXACT photo she used for the Dreamland painting. Good eyes, Zoob. Can't wait to see it-suppose I should get off my butt & order ROTR. Clever Joni tying in her work like that-shouldn't Bernstein get some kind of credit in D, like "painting based on photo by JB" ? RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:06:46 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Yet Do I Marvel On Saturday, August 28, 2004, at 02:16 PM, simon@icu.com wrote: > YET DO I MARVEL > by Countee Cullen I'm not sure I get what this has to do with Joni, but it is pleasantly surprising to see this poet's name turn up anywhere on the net. B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:52:56 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: "Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell" (Pink Dress Video) mia ortlieb writes: > > Thanks for the tour of the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, Steve! > Your descriptions made me feel like I was almost there. > I just have one question tho. You wrote: "a snippet of Joni > from the 'Pink Dress Concert' playing A Case of You finished > the presentation." Did Joni actually play ACOY at the Pink Dress > Concert? I don't remember this. The only dulcimer songs I recall > at the Pink Dress Concert are California and All I Want. The reason > I ask is if this exists, I'll have to form my own little search > party to hunt down a copy of this footage! Mia, as Bob has already pointed out, Joni did not perform "A Case Of You" at the "Pink Dress Concert". the actual title of the program is "Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell". recorded in Sept. 1970, the program was originally broadcast on Oct. 9, 1970 and was the premier episode of the BBC's new "In Concert" TV series. here's the SetList: JONI MITCHELL 'IN CONCERT' 'JONI MITCHELL Sings JONI MITCHELL' BBC TV Centre West London, England Oct. 9, 1970 (Broadcast Date) 1. Chelsea Morning 2. Cactus Tree 3. My Old Man 4. For Free 5. California 6. Big Yellow Taxi 7. Both Sides, Now in 1971 the program was ReEdited and there was a second broadcast on May 17th. four songs from the Oct. broadcast were deleted and replaced with four songs that weren't originally included. here's the SetList: JONI MITCHELL 'IN CONCERT' 'JONI MITCHELL Sings JONI MITCHELL' BBC Television Center West London, England May 17, 1971 (Broadcast Date) 1. Chelsea Morning 2. HUNTER 3. The GALLERY 4. My Old Man 5. WOODSTOCK 6. ALL I WANT 7. Both Sides, Now these were both 30 min. programs. there are no VideoTapes of the 2nd version in circulation although i do have an audio tape. Bob writes: > The setlist for the 'Pink Dress' Broadcast is: > > 1. Chelsea Morning > 2. HUNTER > 3. The GALLERY > 4. Cactus Tree > 5. My Old Man > 6. For Free > 7. WOODSTOCK > 8. ALL I WANT > 9. California > 10. Big Yellow axi > 11. Both Sides Now sorry Bob -- but No! this 50 min. version was never 'Broadcast' this was an 'In-House' Production Screener. that's why there's a timing strip across the screen. these songs were selected from a longer program and are the songs selected by the producer for consideration and use in the final broadcast version. in the end, all of these songs were used although in two seperate broadcasts. andmoreagain, - ------------------- simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:31:20 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell" (Pink Dress Video) **sorry Bob -- but No! this 50 min. version was never 'Broadcast' Thanks for clearing that up, Simon - nothing like the facts to put those assumptions to rest. I appreciate you stepping up with these Joni factoids. Bob NP: Rick Summer Droit, "For Free" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:02:33 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Yet Do I Marvel How pleasant to come across a Countee Cullen poem, and this one especially! A great poet and greatly under recalled. I cannot remember who first turned me on to him but I love his religious poetry - very contemporary in surprising ways consider alone: Inscrutable His ways are, and immune To catechism that silences much of our theological dogmatism Vince simon@icu.com wrote: > YET DO I MARVEL > by Countee Cullen > > > I doubt not God is good, well-meaning, kind > And did He stoop to quibble could tell why > The little buried mole continues blind, > Why flesh that mirrors Him must some day die, > Make plain the reason tortured Tantalus > Is baited by the fickle fruit, declare > If merely brute caprice dooms Sisyphus > To struggle up a never-ending stair. > Inscrutable His ways are, and immune > To catechism by a mind too strewn > With petty cares to slightly understand > What awful brain compels His awful hand. > Yet do I marvel at this curious thing: > To make a poet black, and bid him sing! > > > > > andmoreagain, > ------------------ > simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:14:37 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Republican convention (NJC) Kate Bennett wrote: > > ... I hope the nyc > protest will be as well organized... The huge protest today was great!!! I got out of the subway at 18th Street and 7th Avenue this morning, right into the crowd, and it brought brief tears to my eyes to be with so many passionate like-minded happy and talkative people, who care enough to face the heat and chaos and possible violence in order to make their viewpoint public. It is an amazing right to be able to gather for protesting. Like voting, it's not ever to be taken for granted. A rally and concert in Central Park would have been enjoyable because I'd love to hear CSN and Joan Baez sing at such a rally, and it would have been possible to get out of the sun by standing under the trees around the edge of the lawn, but today worked out fine. And it was actually good to be on the move, inch by inch at first, with different chants breaking out and songs being sung. Someone near me named Raven had written one for the march, a rather complicated one that ended with the line "we are the rising sun" and the drummer (playing a cool salsa beat) finally managed to teach it to me. If we'd all been gathered around a stage listening to speeches and performers, that kind of thing probably wouldn't have happened as much. It took a couple of hours to get to 26th Street (which would normally be a 10 minute walk at most) and we heard that people had already gotten to the end of the march a few miles away, so all of us were happy to hear how many people were demonstrating. The streets going uptown and across are flat so we couldn't see into the distance, but then turning right onto Fifth and heading downtown, it was possible to see thousands of people way down the road heading toward Union Square. That was one beautiful sight. They glistened in the sunlight. And it wasn't just because everybody was all sweaty. > Keep us up to date & stay safe! Thanks, Kate. I have a hoarse voice from shouting things like "no more Bush!" and "Bush out now!" and quite a sunburn, even using the sunblock volunteer medics were handing out (along with "stay hydrated" advice), but other than those minor discomforts, I'm safe (and expect to stay safe during this entire wild week) and am very happy I took part today along with hundreds of thousands of other people. It gives me hope that change is coming. Debra Shea, in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:42:31 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: NYC protests NJC BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > > I read today that the Repubs (no doubt under the direction of Karl Rove, > Prince of Darkness) have a plan to "blame the Democrats" if protests in NYC turn > ugly or have a lot of negative implications for the convention. Karl Rove and all the Bushies act as though we should all just be quiet and agreeable and do whatever they say. So, sure, they'll make this peaceful demonstration today look like a VERY BAD THING. Be afraid is their main manipulation tool. I heard on the news just now that the Repubs are going to spin it as, see, we're back to protesting just like Kerry did against the Vietnam War. (Do you want that kind of chaos again? be afraid...vote for Bush.) By spinning it that way, the Bushies get to talk more about how awful they think Kerry's protesting then was rather than admit to his courage for even volunteering to go to Vietnam in the first place. It's sickening to me the way they've twisted that, and Bush can try to distance himself all he wants from those lying swift boat ads, but Bush and all his supporters are dirty dirty dirty. They are a disgrace to this country, and a danger to us all. Demonstrations like the one today will be monthly occurrences if Bush gets elected, which I don't think is going to happen. Mr. "I'm a uniter, not a divider" is a liar, and lots of people are finally catching on to that. The demonstration today makes it obvious how much he has divided this country. Debra Shea, in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:55:49 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Diana Krall's muse is guess who? Taking a break from the obviously political (don't get used to it :-), this excerpt is from a NYTimes review. I haven't seen this Joni praise mentioned here yet: A Traditionalist Takes Off Along the Edge of Audacity August 26, 2004 By STEPHEN HOLDEN At Radio City Music Hall, where she concluded a 34-city tour, Ms. Krall was not backing down. Although there were a fair number of walkouts, the capacity audience generally expressed a cautious approval of a concert that pushed pop-jazz to an unusual level of sophistication for a large concert hall. Appearing with a trio that included Anthony Wilson on guitar, Robert Hurst on bass and Peter Erskine on drums, Ms. Krall performed much of the new album, along with a few oldies, concluding the evening with a voice- and-piano version of her sturdiest original song, the bittersweet "Departure Bay." For inspiration, Ms. Krall has always looked only to the best. The principal muse informing her original material is her fellow Canadian Joni Mitchell. And the knotty new songs, with their wandering melodies, introspective lyrics, and jazz instrumental breaks owe much to Ms. Mitchell's music, especially to the album, "Hejira." Two of Ms. Krall's collaborations with Mr. Costello, "Abandoned Masquerade" and "The Girl in the Other Room," have a torchy film-noir undertone that was accented on Tuesday by Ms. Krall's striking appearance in a white silk dress. Her growling versions of Tom Waits's and Kathleen Brennan's "Temptation" and Ms. Mitchell's "Black Crow" also toyed with the femme fatale imagery that suggested the movie "Body Heat." The concert's most satisfying moment was a slow-burning, smoky rendition of the vintage torch song "You Call It Madness." http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/26/arts/music/26kral.html?ex=1094562119&ei=1&en=aaefbcf4be88c057 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:06:21 -0400 From: dsk Subject: A joyful noise (was Yet Do I Marvel) NJC vince wrote: > > I cannot remember who first turned me on to him but I love his religious > poetry - very contemporary in surprising ways While I was in the middle of all the noise today at the demonstration, the phrase "make a joyful noise unto the Lord" came to me, which is either from the Bible or from a Gerard Manley Hopkins poem. Vince, do you know where that phrase is from? That's what all the noise felt like, joyful and reaching beyond mundane real life into something bigger. And after that phrase came to me, I thought again that the Repubs don't own religious feeling after all, no matter what they say. Debra Shea, in NYC and running out of communicating steam for today ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:04:13 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Republican convention (NJC) Thanks for the post debra! That is what I love about this list... getting to hear first hand information about events we only experience via media... I hope you'll keep letting us know how you & nyc are doing! I saw the pictures in the times... what an awesome turnout! >The huge protest today was great!!! I got out of the subway at 18th Street and 7th Avenue this morning, right into the crowd, and it brought brief tears to my eyes to be with so many passionate like-minded happy and talkative people, who care enough to face the heat and chaos and possible violence in order to make their viewpoint public. It is an amazing right to be able to gather for protesting. Like voting, it's not ever to be taken for granted.< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:10:28 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A joyful noise (was Yet Do I Marvel) NJC **And after that phrase came to me, I thought again that the Repubs don't own religious feeling after all, no matter what they say. Thanks too from me Debra...I appreciate all of your insights. Here's a funny short with a request to add your name to a list of folks who want to take faith back from the Neocons: _http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=17551_ (http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=17551) It's been strange for me...as someone who's always gone to church every Sunday and felt renewed and refreshed from corporate prayer, fellowship, worship, and communion, I now feel betrayal from the church who has failed to step up and say "Wait a minute - Mr. Bush and his cronies are only draping themselves in religion, none of their actions are consistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ!!" I haven't been to church since June. I still have faith & belief in God, I just have to figure out how best to deal with it. Bob NP: Ten + 1, "River" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:27:45 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Speaking of ACOY covers... _http://www.freddyfreeman.com/media.html_ (http://www.freddyfreeman.com/media.html) A pretty version, but then again almost all ACOY covers are. Bob NP: Freddy Freeman, "A Case Of You" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:57:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Orts Subject: njc Dallas area Jonilistas? (shameless self-promotion) as a long shot for a spur of the moment mini-jonifest, I'd thought I'd post that I'm going to be in Granbury, TX from the evening of September 9 through the morning of September 11. I'll be there for the Langdon Weekend, a festival of Texas arts. On Friday, I'll be one of dozens (it seems) Texas writers doing readings. I'll be reading a few pages from my book, Hidden Gifts. Unfortunately, I think you have to pay the $50 weekend pass fee to be at the readings, so I don't really expect anyone to show up just to hear me read for 20 minutes, but in the event that this sounds like your cuppa and you hadn't heard, here's the URL with all the goods on it: http://www.tarleton.edu/~langdonreview/ And we could visit and wax jonisodic after hours at some local pub or coffee house. (Unfortunately, I won't have my own wheels, so it will have to be in Granbury for such festivities.) I could even do a private reading, if that's what you want. I won't charge anywhere near $50 . . . And I'd be remiss if I didn't take this opportunity to remind everyone that they can share in the Hidden Gifts phenom (ah hyperbole) by ordering it at your local bookseller or online at places like: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=mHu143TAHU&isbn=141372082X&itm=1 Okay. End of commercial. But if any Dallas area joniphiles would want to meet up, let me know. - -Neil ===== Neil Ellis Orts 713-838-1787 Houston, TX keep up with my creative endeavors--join my newsletter list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neonews ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 02:12:51 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 30 On August 30 the following articles were published: 1970: "Isle of Wight Festival Turns Slightly Discordant" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=806 1974: "Joni Mitchell in the Rain" - Boston Globe (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=761 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #362 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)