From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #353 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, August 21 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 353 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's Voice ["Ross, Les" ] Joni covers subsidized by Grants! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Joni's Voice ["hell" ] Re: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc ["S] Re: Joni's voice ["Sherelle Smith" ] Joni Article in September Blender music magazine [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: Hey New Yorkers! NJC [dsk ] RE: No Subject ["Maggie McNally" ] RE: Joni's Voice ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: Joni's voice ["mackoliver" ] Birthday limerick for the sweetest gal in the world... [Justalittlebreen@] Joni is k.d. lang's number 1 influence - Chicago Tribune [est86mlm@amerit] Re: Joni covers subsidized by Grants! [Randy Remote ] Re: Various comments re: Rhino and now NJC [Em ] Re: Various comments re: Rhino and now NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Various comments re: Rhino and other compilations (loooong, but sjc) [Justalittlebreen@aol.c] Re: Various comments re: Rhino and other compilations (loooong, but sjc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.c] 2 observations [KindTaper@aol.com] Re: Joni is k.d. lang's number 1 influence - Chicago Tribune ["Mark or Tr] Re: Various comments re: Rhino and other compilations (loooong, but sjc) [Smurfycopy@aol.c] Re: 2 observations [Smurfycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:58:36 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Re: Joni's Voice For me I'm brought to a standstill whenever I hear Joni singing: "if I had the wings of Noah's pretty little white dove, I'd fly this raging river to reach the one I love. But I have no wings and the water is sooooo wide. We'll have to row a little harder. It's just in dreams we fly, in my dreams we fly....." .....oooh that "soooo wide".. It epitomises and is an exemplar for the song of an inner voice. Not her singing voice at its strongest or most lithe but the combination of words, music and singing ellicits that great 'stop'. Chills. Quite transcending. I'd agree that C&S is a stunning example of the woman at the top of her game. I think that it was the point after which her voice and vocalisations darkened. FTR and Blue the zenith of her 'air' voice period. And then there's all those amazing harmonies and vocal refrains she does like the famous one on Song for Sharon, those on Don Juan. C&S is hanging with them as is HOSL as is etc etc!!! Blimey.... and of course there's Chair in the Sky and Sweet Sucker Dance from Mingus. Ok Ok, the list is endless. The more you stop to think about it the more you want to go back and change your mind. The woman is just too damned good and we're all spoiled for choice! :-) Good Weekend everyone. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:30:01 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni covers subsidized by Grants! **Didn't Amy Grant do this? Related? Yes & No...that is, yes, Amy had a pretty good hit with it when she recorded BYT, and it's a nice version. Several that followed it copied her style. Lorna Grant's recording is from the UK, from a CD called "Star For A Night", sort of a Starsearch/American Idol sort of thing I'm guessing. No relation between Amy & Lorna. In other Grant-related Joni covers, singer Tom Grant has just this year released a cover of BSN on his CD of standards "Nice Work If You Can Get It". No word yet from Lou or Ulysses S. Grant. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:48:48 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Joni's Voice Les wrote: > Ok Ok, the list is endless. The more you stop to think about it > the more you > want to go back and change your mind. The woman is just too > damned good and > we're all spoiled for choice! :-) There a couple that spring to mind. The line(s) "with a view" from Two Grey Rooms - I LOVE the harmonies on that one. The first lines from Blue, particularly "or let me sail away". The line from Conversation, "Why can't I leave her?" - there's so much emotion in her voice. Joni would have made a great actress! "I would teach my feet to fly" from River No, you're right, I give up. There are too damn many to choose from! Hell ____________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:32:38 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc Hi Lori, I moved here the year after 9/11 but I had the opportunity to hear firsthand from coworkers how everyone was affected that day. I heard from a guy who lost his cousin who worked at the Pentagon. It was very hard for him to tell his story. I'm writing because another coworker told me about a similar incident which happened a few months ago. She was getting on the Red Line ( a very notorious line here for flared tempers because of its delays) and as the door opened, a man tried to get onto the train before the man standing at the door inside the train could get off. Now this is considered extremely ill mannered (as is standing still on the left side of the escalator) but what happened next took flared tempers to a new level. Without saying a word, the man on the train trying to get off just hauled off and punched the guy trying to get on the train in the face. Whatever happened to everyone emotionally here in D.C. on 9/11 seems to still be going on. Sherelle Lori wrote: Subject: Re: Joni's voice Hi! I have so many Joni vocal moments I don't know which one to pick! I guess I should pick the ending of the S&L version of "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat": "And there were two brand new little musicians dancing there...too-oo-nieeght..." Sherelle KindTaper@aol.com wrote: > I'd love to hear about others' favorite vocal moments on her >albums as well. _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:05:41 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni Article in September Blender music magazine FYI: The new September 2004 issue of BLENDER magazine has an article titled: The Greatest Songs Ever! Free Man in Paris (with color and Black & White pictures of Joni). Read the online version here: http://www.blender.com/articles/article_1013.html Laura WARNING: No 'real' Joni content below. P.S. If you have a box of Joni CD's or Joni Movies, etc., etc., to ship out OFFICE MAX has a great offer that's good until closing Saturday night. 50% off Airborne/DHL shipping. This will cost less then shipping thru the USPS. Use your own box or Office Max has airborne boxes. Cut out the coupon in the ad in Sunday's flyer (the last page on the bottom) or the in-store flyer. You can see the ad here: http://www.officemax.com/ Click on SHOP IN STORES Weekly In-Store Specials. Then click on your state and city. The ad flyer will come up. Click on the last page to see the in-store coupon. ********************************************************* GRAB A FREEBIE! (or insure that your postal carrier always has work) Propel Fitness Water Coupon for a FREE Bottle....(Doesn't Joni drink the cranberry flavor?) http://www.propelwater.com/index_flash.php One the site loads click on: Try Propel For Free Click Here on the bottom right of the page. Propel Fitness Water is available in various flavors. GLAD ForceFlex Tall Kitchen Trash Bag FREE sample Sample package contains one 13-gallon Glad. ForceFlex" Drawstring Tall Kitchen bag. Limit one per household, address or organization. Offer only available in the United States. You will receive your free sample in 6-8 weeks. http://www.forceflexsample.com/ WIN A SWEEPSTAKES! Gatorade/ESPN. The prize pack consists of a duffle bag, stopwatch, towel and t-shirt. Call toll-free 866-318-9346 to see if you're an instant winner. You can call once a day (until you win). This number is automated. If you win you will need to leave your name and address stated clearly. You will receive your prize in 6 to 8 weeks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:56:12 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Hey New Yorkers! NJC Lori Fye wrote: > > http://www.shutitdownnyc.com/ Thanks, Lori! I love that upside-down Republican elephant. It's going to be a wild time here. No one knows what to expect, but people have been talking about the dreaded invasion for months. And there may be different "shut it down" moves by different groups. The police and firemen have not had a contract for years, so they've been talking about having a "sick out" day during the convention (since an outright strike would be illegal). The Mayor, etc. talk about how great those guys are, and then won't negotiate a contract. Reminds me of Dubya talking about how great the military people are, and then cutting their benefits. Another bubbling situation is about the big protest on August 29. The main group organizing it is still trying to get the city to let them have the gathering in Central Park. Mayor Bloomberg said NO months ago, and he hasn't budged on the issue and he's now over in Greece schmoozing and trying to get the Olympics here for 2012. What a dumbass idea THAT is!!! So for now the big demonstration is going to be over on the West Side Highway, which is hard to get to by public transportation and isn't very wide, which means that there won't be a "center" that people can gather around. Plus, it's all asphalt and on a summer day will be very HOT. It's all designed by the city, ruled now by Repubs even though most people here are Democrats, to keep as many people away as possible. I don't think it's going to work. The Mayor (or somebody in the city government) came up with the idea of giving out "peaceful protester" buttons and anyone wearing one of those can get a discount at Applebee's (how un-NYC is that?!!) and at some shows, but not the ones the Repubs are being given discounts to. It's a weird thing. I expected to be a "peaceful protester" even without that bribe. But, if I don't get a button... uh, oh, watch out Mayor Mike. It might be that so many New Yorkers are leaving the city, that even with all the visitors it won't be that crowded here. But I'm staying put, because there's no way I'll let those Repubs push me out of my city. And I'll even be spending some time in midtown because strangers always talk to me and when I'm asked for directions by lost and fearful Repubs, I plan to not only give directions but also ask them how they could possibly support such a guy as Dubya? It's got to be a more precise question than that, though, because I expect their eyes would glaze over and they'd start praying before I could get out any question/statement that's too complicated, and people can easily ignore any general question. So, I'm aiming for passive/aggressive message giving, and in my Southern-upbringing gracious way being as annoying as I can, to one Repub at a time. And I won't be wearing ANY buttons. Debra Shea, in NYC P.S. I also like the idea of writing directions on paper that just happens to have a photo of those special NYC cops "protecting" us, the guys dressed in black bullet-proof vests with black machine guns that they have to keep both hands on at all times, and the question, "Are we safer?" on it. The lost Repubs couldn't throw their directions away! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:00:55 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: No Subject Amen to all that, brother. x, Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Paz [mailto:michael@thepazgroup.com] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 12:29 AM To: MINGSDANCE@aol.com; Joni Digest; lynn_wells11@hotmail.com Subject: Re: No Subject A blessing to hear from you and I hope everyone in your parts are doing well. What a horrible thing to happen! My thoughts and prayers are with you guys. AND we will miss you at the fest this year! Best Paz > hey > "the roof is ripped with hurricanes" > it's Wednesday > we're okay > house is fine > yard is ripped up > no power > no phone > cell phone sporadic > hot/humid > no screens > mosquitoes!!! > areas are devastated -- we were lucky > > borrowed this computer on the fly > must run > > we'll connect when things settle > > love > d&d ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:02:27 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Joni's Voice Love that line..."spoiled for choice" - an embarrassment of riches is what la Joni has given us. x, Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: Ross, Les [mailto:LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 2:59 AM To: 'Joni@smoe.org' Subject: Re: Joni's Voice For me I'm brought to a standstill whenever I hear Joni singing: "if I had the wings of Noah's pretty little white dove, I'd fly this raging river to reach the one I love. But I have no wings and the water is sooooo wide. We'll have to row a little harder. It's just in dreams we fly, in my dreams we fly....." .....oooh that "soooo wide".. It epitomises and is an exemplar for the song of an inner voice. Not her singing voice at its strongest or most lithe but the combination of words, music and singing ellicits that great 'stop'. Chills. Quite transcending. I'd agree that C&S is a stunning example of the woman at the top of her game. I think that it was the point after which her voice and vocalisations darkened. FTR and Blue the zenith of her 'air' voice period. And then there's all those amazing harmonies and vocal refrains she does like the famous one on Song for Sharon, those on Don Juan. C&S is hanging with them as is HOSL as is etc etc!!! Blimey.... and of course there's Chair in the Sky and Sweet Sucker Dance from Mingus. Ok Ok, the list is endless. The more you stop to think about it the more you want to go back and change your mind. The woman is just too damned good and we're all spoiled for choice! :-) Good Weekend everyone. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:03:04 -0500 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: Joni's voice 'Impossible Dreamer.' 'dreamin like you do.' ahhhhhhh mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:08:38 EDT From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Birthday limerick for the sweetest gal in the world... There once was a lass named Ashara Much fairer than Scarlett of Tara Your B-card, my dear, Will be late (again!) this year -- I'm hoping to send it tomara. Have a wonderful day, Ashara! Love, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:50:59 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni is k.d. lang's number 1 influence - Chicago Tribune Just found this in my stash of papers I'm saving (and attempting to find a home for). I don't know if anyone else saw this and posted it. It's from the July 9th issue of the Chicago Tribune. It's worth a read. If you don't want to read the whole article.............k.d. lang credit's Joni as her biggest influence in the last two paragraphs. Laura ************************************** Friday, July 9, 2004 Music Notes k.d. lang's intensity peaks with symphony orchestra By Chrissie Dickinson Special to the Tribune Two things remain the same about k.d. lang. The singer still spells her name in lowercase, and she still makes music without regard to current musical fashion. "I think there's really one simple rule to follow, and that is your muse," lang says, calling from Los Angeles. "If you put art first, it will lead you on a crazy path, and it will give you failure as much as it will success. But you have to establish in your mind that failure is the same thing as success, that art comes first, that your talent speaks for you and not your clothes and not your hairstyle and not who you're dating." In a recording career that began in 1984, lang has followed that muse from country to cabaret, from Patsy Cline tributes to collaborations with such musically disparate legends as Loretta Lynn and Tony Bennett. Currently on a tour that finds her backed by symphonies in various cities, lang will perform with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra at Ravinia on Sunday. The Canadian singer is no stranger to sharing a stage with a symphony; she first performed with an orchestra on stage in Edmonton during the mid- '80's. Although she's no novice, she admits it's an intense experience that keeps her on her toes. "It's like being a surfer and hitting a great white wave, you just have to ride it," she explains. "It's allowing me to really focus on the narrative and the subtleties of my singing rather that feeling I have to fill in space. And playing great venues like Ravinia, and like Carnegie Hall and the Hollywood Bowl-those are dreams. It's really an incredible feeling to be up there and have that kind of harmonic support." With a couple decades of singing already behind her and a new tour now in progress, what does lang do to maintain her voice? "Everything," she says. "I am so disciplined it's scary." Her regimen includes lots of sleep, plenty of water and raw foods to hydrate her voice, no salty foods before bedtime, no alcohol consumption while on the road, and vocal warm-ups and cool-downs before and after every performance. The tour also finds her on the eve of a new record release. Her upcoming CD, "Hymns of the 49th Parallel," is due out in late July and will be the first for her new label Nonesuch Records. a collection of cover songs written by Canadian singer-songwriters, the CD finds lang applying her torchy vocals to bittersweet renditions of Neil Young's "After the Gold Rush" and "Helpless," Joni Mitchell's "A Case of You" and "Jericho" and Leonard Cohen's "Bird On a Wire." She also pays homage to more recent Canadian artists such as Jane Silberry and Ron Sexsmith. "Those songs are part of my musical DNA for sure," says lang. "Part of the whole concept of the record was not only to explore my personal connection with Canadian heritage, but also illuminate on this theory I have that Canadian songwriters are very much parallel to nature, that the geographical nature of Canada is infused in their songwriting." Born and raised in Alberta, lang, 42, says she sees the same geographical influence on her own development as a stylist. "I really believe that growing up in Canada, the landscape had a lot of influence on my vocal style as well. Long, sort of straight tones, not a lot of ornamentation, was a direct result of growing up in the prairies." When it came time for lang to make the final song selections for her new CD, she relied on the same formula that has long guided her career. "Bottom line I have to have a chemistry with the song," she says. "I have to feel like I can sink my teeth into it." Although lang professes love and respect for all the songwriters, she points out Mitchell in particular as an artist who towers as a personal icon and influence. Although lang has met Mitchell a few times over the years, she says the Canadian legend still has the power to inspire awe. "Joni Mitchell is my elder and my number one influence, and it's intimidating no matter what," lang says. "She is just one of the greatest songwriters ever, certainly in the last 50 years. She probably rivals Bob Dylan. So I don't think that will ever go away, I think she will always intimidate me. I respect and revere her so greatly." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:17:56 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni covers subsidized by Grants! SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **Didn't Amy Grant do this? Related? > > Yes & No...that is, yes, Amy had a pretty good hit with it when she recorded > BYT, and it's a nice version. Several that followed it copied her style. > Lorna Grant's recording is from the UK, from a CD called "Star For A Night", > sort of a Starsearch/American Idol sort of thing I'm guessing. No relation > between Amy & Lorna. > > In other Grant-related Joni covers, singer Tom Grant has just this year > released a cover of BSN on his CD of standards "Nice Work If You Can Get It". > > No word yet from Lou or Ulysses S. Grant. Heee...in a few years you can put out an "All Grants" comp. and call it "Grantland" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:29:27 EDT From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni is k.d. lang's number 1 influence - Chicago Tribune In a message dated 8/20/04 2:58:41 PM, est86mlm@ameritech.net writes: << "Joni Mitchell is my elder and my number one influence, and it's intimidating no matter what," lang says. "She is just one of the greatest songwriters ever, certainly in the last 50 years. She probably rivals Bob Dylan. So I don't think that will ever go away, I think she will always intimidate me. I respect and revere her so greatly." >> I love this list I would never have enjoyed this marvelous quote wihtout it; just love seeing Joni get this kind of recognition, thanks for sharing it! I know I may be b'b qued for this, but I have been trying to find out how Joni's latest fared in it's debut week on Billboard--anyone care to shed some light here? do I get 20 lashes with a wet noodle for even bringing it up? :) best from NYC Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:27:09 EDT From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Re: Various comments re: Rhino and other compilations (loooong, but sjc) Hi, gang! In a message dated 8/12/04 12:09:52 AM, BryanB wrote: << From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: Song list for Dreamland Yes, Furry is a good (very good) song. But my point was, it's so obscure, why would it be on a hits or best-of sampler collection? If the idea is to sample Hejira, why not Coyote, which actually was a minor hit and received much more radio play. Anyway, mine is not to question, just to accept the mysteries or Mitchell. I guess. >> Hi, all, First I disappear for months on end, then I post at least twice on one day -- the nerve! (Oh, and I'm a week behind in the digests, so some of these comments have probably already been made by others) Anyway, I'm not singling Bryan out for his comments, just had a few thoughts as to how Rhino puts together its compilations: In short: I love Rhino Records -- I believe (some of you undoubtedly know more of their history than i do) they started out in the 70s(?) putting out whatever oddities and cheesy compilations they could. But as they got bigger, they got better and better, and I think they put out some of the best compilation albums available. They get people who are truly knowledgeable fans of the party in question, they send them to the party/parties (singer, composer) in question (if they are alive, and available) to discuss their feelings about various songs -- and put these comments in the literature accompanying the compilation. Two excellent examples that I own are the Burt Bacharach boxed set (called "The Look of Love") and the Dionne Warwick compilation "Love Songs". The Rhino BB/LoL comes with one of the best booklets I've ever seen: detailed comments about all 75 songs included. They snagged some astonishing rarities and oddities (e.g., BB wrote the opening song for the Movie "The Blob", which is hysterically weird -- it's sort of a woozy Rhumba with horns, and silly almost-whispered lyrics; the consensus is that the song was supoposed to lull the movie-going audiences into thinking that movie was going to be a comedy, o nly to scare them; or merely the song was bad to *match* the movie). And they include some wonderful little-known gems like Twenty-Four Hours From Tulsa by Gene Pitney, and the like. The only bad news (and most people would disagree with me on this, but it may relate to the question of choices of songs in Rhino's Joni compilation) is that with 75 songs, they included exactly 8, count'em, 8 songs composed/produced after 1970. One of these was the Stlystics cover of an old Dionne Warwick song (You'll Never Get To Heaven...) and two others are arguably excruciatingly bad (Living Together, Growing Together, from the disaster-movie-musical-in-several-senses "Lost Horizon"; and Arthur's Theme (The Best That You Can Do)). I feel woozy even mentioning these songs, and probably also That's What Friends Are For, which probably wasn't that bad of a song, except that the first singer was the always astonishing Rod Stewart (forgive me, jmdlers who are also RS fans, but why does this man have a career?) and then there was the AIDsy thingy version with Dionne and Friends, which did raise some money, thank you Dionne, but which I can't bear to hear anymore. Burt and his then wife Carole Bayer Sager actually wrote some great songs in the '80's before they really started getting on each others nerves, and got in the nasty habit of including third and occasionally even fourth parties (referees?) in their songwriting team. But they were mostly sung by CBS herself on her third and last album, and this is hard to find -- but Rhino can find anything -- I suspect that the reason that they included (a) nothing from BB's impressive late-70's albums, (b) nothing from CBS's BB album and (c) just one song from BB's excellent (imho) 1998ish album with Elvis Costello, was some kind of licensing problem, or a matter of prohibitive fees, or some such legal/financial tangle. Or maybe I'm the only one who likes these songs... The DW Love Songs comp is wonderful in it's oddities. Rhino had already put out at least two DW compilations, the best selling one with all the Bacharach/David Scepter Record stuff; and then another one, which i don't remember the name of, but which included some good, lesser-known songs. This one, though, with only 16 songs, is wonderfully unusual. It includes exactly one hit song (I Say A Little Prayer), and the rest is good gravy: B-sides that are atrociously hard to find, cuts from her long-lost Warner Brothers years (roughly '73 - - '78), including the album's closer -- a song I had never heard, or heard *of* before called "I Didn't mean To Love You" -- an astonishing song, one of DW's most emotionally wrenching performances -- and WB let it out for a total of two weeks as a single, and then *yanked it*. Anyway, thank you Rhino. Where was I? Sorry, i haven't typed this much in about a year, and I'm on a roll. Anyway, Joni's BoS album (I'm sure I had the same reaction when i saw it at Virgin Records about a week or so ago: Oh My God, a new Joni albuh.....oh. What the f**k, didn't she just release a bunch of these on TCGR (btw, is that how we're referring to the boxed set? Or just GR?); or on Misses?) suggests to me what goes on. I assume the GR set didn't sell well; maybe they decided to do a "Best Of GR"? Except why nothing from WTRF, and why toss in three songs from the TI & TtT, and not throw people a bone like adding the It's All Over Now Baby Blue demo...? And start it out with The Reoccuring Dream (which is possibly, if one may consider such a concept, the most annoying song she's ever recorded -- and can now be found on CMIRS, Misses, GR and now Bos)???!!! Oh, and so on. But herein lies the clue: Joni's in a bad mood regarding politics and ecology and such -- much like the mood she was in when she released DED -- hence five inclusions on BoS. Well so am I, Joni, for many of the same reasons that many of us were frustrated to tears back in '85: a right-wing moron in the White House with all that that entails. Being in such a mood, one can listen to Jericho, Love, The Wolf That Lives In Lindsay (my three favorites) or any of Joni's lovelier songs about love and breakup and whatever (I know, Wolf is about somethin' sinister, but it's vague enough, and the melody, ah!)-- this is my solution. Escape, distraction, bliss -- the three great anti-stimulants. I'm well enough aware of the current situation without dwelling on them when I'm listening to music. Or you can say "Listen, people, the world's goin' t' hell in a handbasket -- listen to these songs!" Joni *likes* these songs and if we really love her, we'll like them, too, or at least we'll hold people down and make them listen to them. The Rhino Joni compilation song list looks to me like they did their usual good job of tossing in a hit song or six, but including some lesser-known gems; Jungle Line and Dreamland are challenging, interesting -- and what's all this about Dancing Clown and Nothing Can Be Done? Okay, they wouldn't have been my choices, but they aren't *that* bad. DC shows newbies that JM has a sense of humor and can more or less rock out; NCBD shows the call-and-response thingy she got into in the '80's; they both show how for a while she was more comfortable with other voices on board... And I like David (of David&David)'s voice. And two songs about menopause (NCBD and Come in...) seems reasonable to me, in a world of song dominated by young men who, to paraphrase vastly, spend a lot of time being angry at women for not giving them any. So there. Phew. Was it good for you? Best to all, Walt Breen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:47:00 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni is k.d. lang's number 1 influence - Chicago Tribune It is number 276 on Amazon.com this week. Interestingly, they pair it with k.d.'s new cd. Ain't that some JMDL synchronicity? Jerry np: Cyndi Lauper - Stay > I love this list I would never have enjoyed this marvelous quote wihtout it; > just love seeing Joni get this kind of recognition, thanks for sharing it! > I know I may be b'b qued for this, but I have been trying to find out how > Joni's latest fared in it's debut week on Billboard--anyone care to shed some > light here? do I get 20 lashes with a wet noodle for even bringing it up? :) > > best from NYC > > Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:48:33 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: The power of religion, now life post 9/11 - njc pc so la ti do Lori recounts: << One fellow asked another fellow if he would mind if he took the seat next to him. (This is odd enough; that hardly ever happens.) The second fellow ignored the question, so the first fellow asked again. Without warning, the second fellow just up and punched the first fellow in the mouth! >> Maybe the first fellow didn't ask *nicely* enough, Lori. This just sounds like another man's-inhumanity-to-man subway story. As a lifelong subway user, I have seen and heard about all kinds of underground drama over the years. To me there's nothing post-9/11 about this behavior, Lori. I know of someone who was stabbed to death on Boston's Green Line 30 years before 9/11. I don't think humanity's bad behavior started on that day. In fact I remember more 9/11 stories about strangers being kind to each other. I think I am much more likely to be kind to a stranger post-9/11. Unless, of course, the freaking stranger pisses me off. Then I shoot the bastard. - --Smurf "I am a pickle-smooching American." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:03:30 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni covers subsidized by Grants! RR suggests to the Covers King: << Heee...in a few years you can put out an "All Grants" comp. and call it "Grantland" >> When he does, I'll tell you WHAT'S burried in Grant's Tomb! - --Smurf "I am a show-tune-hummin' American." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:13:05 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Various comments re: Rhino and other compilations (loooong, but sjc) Walt writes: << So there. Phew. Was it good for you? >> Well, I had no idea it would be so long! Great to see you posting! I miss you. - --Smurf "I am a dancing American." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:33:04 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The power of religion, now life post 9/11 - njc pc so la ti do Smurf wrote: > This just sounds like another man's-inhumanity-to-man subway story. I guess I should've explained that -- regardless of the scary picture of DC painted by such shows at "The District" -- punching each other out is not routine behavior on DC area subways. Maryland, DC, and Virginia (all served by Metrorail) are below the Mason-Dixon line in the genteel south, and most of the time the regular riders behave very well and are even occasionally downright courteous. Even the "boyz from the hood" are only loud-mouthed, at most. Non-regular riders are tourists who are too wide-eyed at all the different colors and styles of people to be rude at all. The worst thing they do is stand on the left side of the escalators, as Sherelle mentioned, and that's only because they are familiar with subway etiquette. : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:46:21 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Various comments re: Rhino and other compilations (loooong, but sjc) **DC shows newbies that JM has a sense of humor and can more or less rock out; Hiya Walt! Great to see you posting again and that both you and your computer are in good health. But if your posts are going to all be this long, maybe you should see if "Justalottabreen" is available. Just kidding, I enjoyed your posts and agree with you about Rhino. As for DC showing Joni rocking out, it doesn't hold a candle to the rockers on WTRF, or even to Raised On Robbery way back when. It's definitely "lite-rock" and though she features Idol's superb guitarist Steve Stevens, his contribution is minimal. As for showing a sense of humor, I miss the humor as well as the point. Again, I could list (and we have) songs that show Joni's sense of humor, and DC hasn't popped up yet in those discussions. Anyway, just my thoughts...and FWIW we TOTALLY agree on the merits of Rhino (I bought a BUNCH of their early 70's vinyl comps) and the over-exposed and underwhelming "Reocurring Dream". Be cool, Bob NP: Jacqui Dankworth, "Man From Mars" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:46:33 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni is k.d. lang's number 1 influence - Chicago Tribune Rusty10113@aol.com wrote: > I have been trying to find out how > Joni's latest fared in it's debut week on Billboard--anyone care to shed some > light here? do I get 20 lashes with a wet noodle for even bringing it up? :) Yes, you do. Billboard's album chart lists the top 200 albums based on sales (stores mostly-internet is a fraction of total sales). BOS has not appeared on that chart, and unless Rolling Stone readers rush out and buy some based on the positive review in the new issue, it probably will not. Billboard has not included it in their album review section either unlike the new Crosby-Nash CD which got the Billboard thumbs up and entered the chart this week at #142 (and will probably drop off from there). The No. 1 album this week is Ashley Simpson, sister of Bart, I believe. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:02:55 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Article in September Blender music magazine **Read the online version here: _http://www.blender.com/articles/article_1013.html_ (http://www.blender.com/articles/article_1013.html) Hiya Laura, and glad you are wearing the "Coupon Queen" crown once again! I enjoyed the article a lot. Some comments: ****His contribution in the can, Feliciano then favored Mitchell with some advice. bShe was playing with her guitar in an open tuning,b he recalls, bso I pointed out that although open tunings are nice, they can be restrictive. I said that shebd be better off just to tune her guitar in the normal way. She didnbt like that. I think it put her off me a little.b**** And Joni got even with the title track of HOSL, right? Also, this excerpt about Free Man In Paris: ****The song has also become one of her most-covered compositions, with Elton John, Neil Diamond and Shawn Colvin among the many who have taken it to heart.**** Well, I suppose I'll let the writer slide with that vague comment...it is (barely) in her top 20 of most-covered, but it's not a heavy hitter like some of the others. And of the three covers he mentions, only one has been released (Neil's version which is awful in only that special way that Neil Diamond can be awful). Of course we JMDLer's have access to all three! Speaking of Shawn Colvin, I'm EXTREMELY JACKED that she's coming to our little intimate music venue here in Greenville! Sept. 30. This is gonna be an awesome night, and only $20 for the ticket. Hot diggety. Bob NP: Kris & Holly, "Tea Leaf Prophecy" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:09:49 -0400 From: "Justin Russ" Subject: RE: Joni's Voice My While I agree that Joni was in top vocal form during the For The Roses/Court and Spark era, my hands down favorite Joni vocals are on Miles of Aisles. She sings those songs so amazingly well live and has a more soulful quality to her voice than I've ever found on her studio recordings. "We're living in an instant culture. Things are instantly huge, instantly big, explosively popular for like 10 minutes and then you never hear it or see it again. It's got nothing to do with nurturing the artist or the big picture or the body of work. It's like fast food culture...you eat a Big Mac and fries and it tastes really good and then you feel sick after." - - Madonna, 2003. _________________________________________________________________ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:22:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Various comments re: Rhino and now NJC - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Anyway, just my thoughts...and FWIW we TOTALLY agree on the merits > of Rhino > (I bought a BUNCH of their early 70's vinyl comps) Hi Bob I love some Rhino stuff too. Have about 7 or 8 of their "Nuggets" series albums on vinyl, which I bought when I was on a quest in the 80's to finally "own" a copy of "Little Black Egg" instead of just requesting it ad nauseum from the oldies shows. And ended up liking the rest of the stuff too. That said, the selection for the Rhino/Joni release is about half good I think. :) Em NP real loud "Maybe I'm a Leo" Deep Purple ===== - - - - - - - "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds. " Bob Marley "Redemption Song" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:53:17 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Various comments re: Rhino and now NJC **Have about 7 or 8 of their "Nuggets" series albums on vinyl, which I bought when I was on a quest in the 80's to finally "own" a copy of "Little Black Egg" instead of just requesting it ad nauseum from the oldies shows. Yes, that Nuggets series of Rhino's totally rocked, not just the music but OMG the liner notes kept you busy for hours! I had all of them I think, I ebay'ed them about a year ago for pretty good bucks, after I transferred them to CD of course. Even MORE obscure was the precedent "Pebbles" series from BFD Records out of Kookaburra Australia...I made it to around Volume 15 of that series and then gave 'em up. I could listen to that raw garage-y stuff all night long. Makes me wanna have another Rolling Rock - think I will. Happy weekend!! Bob NP: Danilo Perez, "The Fiddle And The Drum" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:16:58 EDT From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Re: Various comments re: Rhino and other compilations (loooong, but sjc) SCJoniGuy writes [regarding Dancing Clown]: << As for showing a sense of humor, I miss the humor as well as the point. Again, I could list (and we have) songs that show Joni's sense of humor, and DC hasn't popped up yet in those discussions. >> Hey, Bob -- I'm sure this has already been discussed to death, but: I always read it as poking fun at machismo, but i may also have been influenced by the sight of Joni dancing with the most relaxed non-post-operative cat in the universe. (In case some of you haven't seen the video, I mean she's dancing with her cat, literally, as she does the dishes, etc., in her kitchen; it's alarming at first, but once you realize the cat doesn't mind, it's kind of cute). Also, i wonder if her use of "Cherchez La Femme" might unconciously remind me of the Dr. Savannah & his Original Band recording from the '70's, which I loved. Oh, well, in the spirit of cherchez la femme: chacun a son gout. best, walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:25:21 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Various comments re: Rhino and other compilations (loooong, but sjc) **I always read it as poking fun at machismo Yeah, that's a fairly obvious take on it, Joni calls it a little film which is weird because it would have made an interesting "little film" playing it straight-up plotwise. Instead of that, we get Joni dancing with her cat, and I agree the video is really fun & playful, unlike the song it's based on. Looking again at the lyrics, I see nothing that gets a laugh or even raises a smile for that matter, just a cringe...I remember the first time I heard it, I thought "Oh Joni...ouch." No you couldn't call Jesse a babe in the woods He's just weak in self-defense 'Cause he's so thin skinned He can't take a joke at his expense "You're a push down window" says _Rowdy Yates_ (http://www.jmdl.com/glossary/yates.cfm) "I can run you up and down Anytime I want I can make you my dancin' My dancin' clown!" You're my dancin' clown Dancin' dancin' My dancin' clown Dancin' You're my dancin' clown Dancin' dancin' dancin' My dancin' clown Rowdy Yates is as bold as Jove He's all chide and snide and bluff Stuck in the romantic tradition Of acting rough and tough "You're always charging thru" says Jesse Nervous lookin' all around To see who's seein' him bein' a dancin' A dancin' clown He's a dancin' clown Dancin' dancin' A dancin' clown Dancin' He's a dancin' clown Dancin' dancin' dancin' A dancin' clown Cherchez la femme Whenever love comes around Someone's a dancin' clown Cherchez la femme Whenever hearts start to pound Someone's a dancin' clown Down the street comes last word Suzie She's high yellow lookin' top nice You hear the swoosh of jungle blades And the crackle of northern ice "Hot damn!" says Rowdy lookin' up "Yum!" says Jesse lookin' down "How would you like to be her dancin' Her dancin' clown?" Be her dancin' clown Dancin' dancin' Her dancin' clown Dancin' Be her dancin' clown Dancin' dancin' dancin' Her dancin' clown Cherchez la femme Whenever love comes to town Someone's a dancin' clown Cherchez la femme Wherever hearts start to pound Someone's a dancin' clown Bob "Clang clang clang went the trolley" - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:34:36 EDT From: KindTaper@aol.com Subject: 2 observations 1) I saw a video of Joni playing "Little Green" at Cafe Au Go Go in NYC 1967. When she was singing, it was almost like she was trying to force this brusque, *folky* tone that didn't sound at all natural, and was not present on any of her albums around that time. Does anyone know why she employed such a technique? Was this just common with folk singers around that time? Or maybe she just did it when performing live to project her voice better. But I don't recall it on the 2nd Fret material. 2) I hope I'm not the only one: sometimes in "Little Green" when she sings the verse "Call her Green, and the winters cannot fade her, Call her Green, etc., I hear "Collard Green". Maybe it's my southern roots - lol. Have a nice weekend, Wes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:59:17 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni is k.d. lang's number 1 influence - Chicago Tribune "It's allowing me to really > focus on the narrative and the subtleties of my singing rather that > feeling I have to fill in space. Think about this quote in relation to 'Travelogue'. Mr. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:13:29 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Various comments re: Rhino and other compilations (loooong, but sjc) Muller writes: << "Clang clang clang went the trolley" - --Gov. Jim McGreevey >> I love it when everybody plays! Have a wonderful weekend Emiliano and everybody. - --Smurf "I am a friend of Dorothy and Liberty." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:16:21 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: 2 observations Wes writes: << Call her Green, etc., I hear "Collard Green". Maybe it's my southern roots - lol. >> Careful Wes . . . you may cause a parody! - --Smurf "I am knob washer and a flag saluter." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #353 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)