From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #350 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, August 19 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 350 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Jonifest Performance Schedule (NJC) [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] No Subject [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Politics Anyone? ["Suzanne MarcAurele" ] It's a Chelsea Morning! ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: It's a Chelsea Morning! [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Re: Politics Anyone? - NJC [Lori Fye ] (NJC & PC) Fab opinion piece on gay marriage [Lori Fye ] NJC, the end of Bush? ["Patti Parlette" ] INCHES! I meant INCHES!! (NJC) ["Kay Ashley" ] Re: Today's Library Links: August 18 [mags h ] RE: Politics Anyone? njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Today's Library Links: August 18 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Today's Library Links: August 18 [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Re: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc pc ["mia ortlieb" Subject: Politics Anyone? The moral of the story on James McGreevey is that lying pays and coming out does not - even his own best man shunned him after the announcement - think people have changed? Ha! Think again! We create and insulate ourselves in imaginative self definitions that we amusingly think reflect the world at large - how could a governor be so deluded? He has to support programs that prevent discrimination but his butt fucking is a scandal that brings him down?!? To say that we are politically bankrupt is the understatement of the century previous and present - there is not one politician nationally renowned who has any communication skills capable of communicating the real problem - which is - AMERICA HAS BECOME A TOWER OF BABEL! Logic? What's that but some subjective nonsense that only shows some semblance to clarity when one utters the defining issues of one's personal views - aah the old scapegoats - sex, to birth or not to birth, environment and so on. I went to a county fair recently - the crowd was white, the bathroom attendants were black, that had pick up truck mud contests with Confederate flag waiving, a tombstone dealer (yes indeed) showing his wares, and a woman spinning like Colonial America and proving way sweaters from that time might as well be drab gray for all the holes her weaving produced - anyway to say I, the proverbial conservative of this bunch, was glad to leave is an understatement - the weaver along with the attendants and the tombstones and that confederate flag conjured up visions of a" late night after the fair", lynching and permanent brain deading of the weaver ( a sort of Stepford Wife type thing because that is the way she appeared) and hey who the fuck would know? Yea right I would make a great mystery writer except that I am sickened by the media, the movies and all the crap that has anesthetized the masses to be numb - I only wonder sometimes how long it will take before people look at the Lacy Peterson cases of this world and realize that there is, if you will, an undercurrent in our locales that produces this kind of stuff and we are all ignoring the truth that we have no morality whether we are for Kerry or Bush or any other person for that matter because kids still go missing, wives are murdered, minorities get killed and kill one another, and our televisions present this as some time of sport about being current or in the know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey sorry I couldn't meet ya'll at the fest this year but I couldn't get that weekend off - do write when your heads clear or even if they don't :) S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:11:47 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: It's a Chelsea Morning! Hi loves! Jamie wrote: >Not sure if anyone has seen this before but if you >click on http://www.james-taylor.com/gallery/ and >look for the Only One link. See if this works: >http://www.james-taylor.com/gallery/OnlyOne.ram Sorry for the "me, too" -- but I just have to thank you, Jamie, for this beautiful video. What a way to start the day. It's a Chelsea Morning! I don't know if anyone here has ever discussed (you must have) how Joni MOVES ("something in the way she moves..."). I love to watch her music coursing through her body, how she FEELS it, how it glides through her shoulders and arms and beautiful hands, smooth and lithe and shimmery and soulful and graceful (oh, so graceful!), how she proffers it out to us to enjoy with her, like a gift. Faculty and students keep coming into my office to ask me things (um, yeah, it IS my job to help them all), and I'm playing this and thinking: how can you care about classroooms and teaching assignments and all that trivia when JONI MITCHELL is singing and dancing on my computer? I mean, what is really important in life? Where are your priorities? LOL... Only you guys (jmdlers) could understand how I feel right now, as I get back to work. Joni, you are the ONLY one! Thanks again, Jamie. Peace, Patti P.S. I gotta get off this list -- it's just feeding my addiction and making me crazy, twisted, shooby-doo--bop! _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:41:35 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: It's a Chelsea Morning! Hi Patti I love the way she dances - I love the video of (had to do some inputting/looking like I'm working, just a quick apple h to hide this email) Nothing Can Be Done where she just sways rhythmically to the groove. It's quite sexy. I have since assimilated the style into my own 'swaying' and yeah, it's cool. --- Patti Parlette wrote: > > I don't know if anyone here has ever discussed (you > must have) how Joni > MOVES ("something in the way she moves..."). I > love to watch her music > coursing through her body, how she FEELS it, how it > glides through her > shoulders and arms and beautiful hands, smooth and > lithe and shimmery and > soulful and graceful (oh, so graceful!), how she > proffers it out to us to > enjoy with her, like a gift. how can > you care about classroooms and teaching assignments > and all that trivia when > JONI MITCHELL is singing and dancing on my computer? > I mean, what is > really important in life? Where are your > priorities? LOL... Only you > guys (jmdlers) could understand how I feel right > now, as I get back to work. Well, I'm sure that if I input these things really slowly, nothing is gonna burn down (I work for a Health & Safety company in London) and I think I can prioritise writing this email before inputting these digits... No, I'm not doing anything that will cause something else to burn down. Much Joni Jamie Zoob ___________________________________________________________ How much mail storage do you get for free? Yahoo! Mail gives you 100MB! Get Yahoo! Mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:50:10 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Politics Anyone? > The moral of the story on James McGreevey is that lying pays and coming out > does not - I'm going to post Michael Musto's column from the Village Voice on this subject because it pretty well. I had great respect for McGreevey as a governer, but he is no hero of mine as a gay man. What the McGreevey mess means for closets, corruption, and casting couches Alien vs. Predator by Michael Musto August 17th, 2004 1:05 PM I'm a gay American applause, applause so I've been especially mesmerized by McGreevey-gate, the most sweeping allegory about the dangers of the closet since David Gest was allegedly brutalized by flying pieces of Halston furniture. By his own admission, New Jersey governor Jim McGreevey has been a poster child for duplicity, finally forced by a legal wake-up call to come clean while wearing a patterned red tie that would have outed him anyway. The gay revelation was a momentous event that, sadly, could have only happened out of shame, not pride. Even more so than showbiz closets, political ones are generally so airtight that it takes flat-out blackmail (or at least a possible sexual harassment suit) to fling them open and a smoking butt to keep them that way. The days when a married pol announces "Yep, I'm gay" just because he feels like it are as far away as Michael Jackson begging the FBI to chaperone his next date. Still, even if only because he had to, the wandering-eyed Jerseyite spoke out and did so with enough rising-against-oppression authority to make you feel, yep, he must be gay. In his August 12 speech saying he'll step down into Garden State ignominy, McGreevey seemed as dignified as his administration was unpopular and as well-intentioned as his reign was called corrupt, failing to register as any kind of stereotypical gay psycho killer or colorist. At least that's how it all seemed at first . When the pixie dust cleared, it became more obvious that the Drumthwacket-eer had played the lavender card and blinded us to the fact that he'd apparently put gayroll on the payroll and used taxpayer money to fund dubious jobs for what was basically a glorified trick, whether real or imagined. "Sexually confused" is what the press first came away with, all misty-eyed, but by the next day they were thinking "jaw-droppingly sleazy," and that hasn't helped the gay cause any more than McGreevey's last scandal helped fundraisers-don't-hire-prosties-to-entrap-their-brother-in-law awareness. In his statement, McGreevey insistently portrayed himself as a survivor of hormonal bewilderment, not a gleefully flaming queen who's been cruising for a bruising for years between dutiful ribbon-cutting appearances with the wife. He looked heart-tuggingly contrite as he declared, "It was wrong. It was foolish. It was inexcusable." What, his marriage? No, he meant cheating on his marriage, though he neglected to add that it was with a not unattractive, overage rent boy/underqualified employee whose only apparent terror advising was in advising himself to be a terror when scorned. Adding fuel to the flaming-queen flames, the guy, Golan Cipel, then swore he was the victim of predatory advances and horny vindictiveness, and by the way he isn't gay, no matter how close he lives to Don't Tell Mama! (Not that it matters if people call him gay, blah blah blah.) By the time that item leaked, there was more confusion and blame flying around than in the Queer as Folk episode where Justin discovered that Brian didn't go to Ibiza. I'm not buying into theories that the guy (who's straight , by the way) must be some kind of soigni Mossad spy, but I am still amazed by Golan's heights of nerve. His accusations, seemingly right out of Gore Vidal's dirty-politics drama The Best Man , couldn't come at a better time for Republicans, who, led by gaydar-activating Christie Todd Whitman herself, are demanding that McGreevey step down immediately, presumably so one of their own illustrious, sexually unconfused ranks can get voted into the job. And speaking of confusion, the biggest shocker of all is that McGreevey's gay-gay-gay revelation has somehow spelled unemployment for him but so far not anything resembling marital termination. In fact, right after the admission, the scandalized politico and his missus went away for some quality time together. Where to the Fire Island "Meat Rack"? What's it gonna take to break up this arrangement? The whole point of a fake marriage, people, is to keep it going only until people find out it's fake. And you certainly wrap it up when the wife finds out it's fake! But someone's gotta say this Dina's no dummy and he's no genius of discretion. She had to have known! Everyone else, from reporters to Web posters, had buzzed about the supposed liaison for years, so how could she not have gotten the memo? Despite the anonymous source running around claiming that Arianna, I mean Dina, was homo-clueless, I bet the McGreeveys have a de-lovely, we-know-what-it's-about situation and enjoy sharing a home base, even more so when power is tasted. Did you see wifey's face at the press conference? This was no Mrs. Kobe Bryant-type squirmer. The woman almost looked proud! She practically seemed at peace with his having gotten a piece! Maybe this is the marriage of the future one completely open in its duplicity. Lord knows McGreevey's first wife, Kari Schutz, seems to know the score. Last week, The New York Times asked Schutz if she knew before their divorce that McGreevey was gay, and she tellingly replied, "I'll leave it at that." But funny, the next day, when the New York Post and the Daily News trotted out the very same question, she shrieked, "I didn't know!" Clearly, Schutz had been visited by the same checkbook-wielding angel who contacted Kevin Federline's suddenly ecstatic dumped girlfriend. McGreevey can take comfort in the fact that he's no more alone in his double life than Scott Peterson is the only guy with a murdered pregnant wife. Public figures are constantly driven into surreptitious love by the way society's underlying disapproval of gays fuels their own self-doubts. In fact, the same day "I am a gay American" became the hottest catchphrase since "Shove it!," the California Supreme Court routinely invalidated 4,000 or so marriages. The hilarious result is that Rosie O'Donnell is now living in sin, but McGreevey's marriage to his beard stands by law! (That's good news for him, since he's possibly sticking with it.) Adding yet more ironic texture, McGreevey himself helped fuel this very climate by arguing against gay marriage (though he did sign Jersey's Domestic Partnership Act). I guess hypocrisy is not the exclusive domain of the Giuliani-Gingrich-Limbaugh-Ryan-etc. party after all. And sex scandals, as we know by now, are not the exclusive domain of any group. When it comes to the proverbial casting couch, the effect is always corrosive, whether the couch is from Seaman's or Ikea. Deliciously enough, on the very page after its McGreevey story last Friday, the Post reported that Bronx state senator Efrain Gonzalez had given a longtime gal pal a cushy job. (Obviously Golan Cipel wasn't available probably busy launching the inevitable handbag line.) Well, unless Gonzalez gives a weepy "I am a straight American" speech and steps down in shame very soon, I'm moving to Canada. With all these lurid layers wrapped around the McGreevey story like a Dolce & Gabbana suit, the gay pundits are having a foofy field day. Reaction has been impassioned and mixed, from out Massachusetts congressman Barney Frank (who survived his own escort scandal in '89) welcoming the closet flinging to Chelsea bar patrons pontificating over sour apple martinis, "I never realized McGreevey was so cute!" (Or that Cipel was so straight.) Choire Sicha, the gawker.com blogger-turned-overseer, told me he loved the spectacle of Anderson Cooper and Shepard Smith having to roll around in the story on camera. But what does the whole squalid soap opera represent? "You can read it really traditionally," said Sicha. "This is why J. Edgar Hoover used to say the CIA wouldn't let gays in. They could use it to blackmail you!" Especially if you're fully gowned like Hoover. But just as traditional was McGreevey's claim to have had an affair with one man. "Like, oh right," smirked Sicha. "A man this week ." Conversely, author-Barneys creative director Simon Doonan feels McGreevey was too forthcoming. "With his wife standing there," Doonan told me, "he could have at least said, 'I'm bisexual.' It really elbowed her out of the picture big time, which made him seem a bit less than charitable. Gay people are usually a little sweeter than that." Charitable gay person Michelangelo Signorile the godfather of outing and a talk show host on Sirius Satellite Radio's OutQ has his own problems with all the McGrievances in the air. "What I hate," he told me, "is that in every one of these stories, there's always an evil queen doing something horrible." Or two evil queens? "Well, there are several possible scenarios here," he offered. "One could be that Cipel is telling the truth and he just wanted to work and McGreevey started harassing him. I've written about harassment it's so typical of closet cases. "Or it could be the complete opposite, where Cipel's been extorting McGreevey from the get-go. How do we know his jobs were not based on maybe one sexual romp in Israel and the next morning this nut says, 'I have pictures of this. I want a job'? The reality is probably somewhere in the middle." Either way, the upshot is that the carefully chosen words "I am a gay American" have been resonating beyond all the pulp-fiction details of the story. "A lot of people will find sympathy with that," says Signorile. "People are beginning to distinguish between the fact that he's gay and these other issues. In that sense, it's a good thing." And you certainly have to find sympathy with the fact that, as of last Friday, channels were still showing the suddenly riotous commercial for New Jersey tourism that has McGreevey and his family cavorting on a beach (no, not in Fire Island) as the shark-mouthed gov urges, "Come out and see what's new in Jersey." Thanks, honey, but I came out and I'm staying right here. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:14:01 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Politics Anyone? - NJC Hey, great rant, Suzanne! You made some very good points. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:14:46 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC & PC) Fab opinion piece on gay marriage Mark Morford rocks! http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2004/08/18/notes081804.DTL&nl=fix Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:22:14 -0400 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Re: Yucca Mountain (NJC) and "Boiling Point" Lama wrote: >While you pick at my details, you didn't come clean. Please tell me: Do you think Yucca Mountain is such a bad solution it needs to be stopped? If not Yucca, where? If not now, when? Well, I did sorta come clean -- I had written, "I have a problem with using Yucca Mountain as a waste storage facility, but my objection is moral and aesthetic; in fact, it may be the safest way to deal with large quantities of nuclear waste, at least in the short term." In short, I can't think of a better idea for dealing with nuclear waste product, except to suggest a variation -- we should make the Kenneth Lays of the world shovel the shit in there themselves, since we don't have debtors' prisons anymore, and since public flogging is passi... (though, ironically, not public execution... hmmmmm....) ANYWAY, mountains are not lifeless -- there are all kinds of bacteria and fungi that live in rock both actively and dormantly, and they in fact play a crucial part in both chemical and mechanical weathering of rock, though deep in a mountain without sunlight and without free-flowing water, these processes are very, very slow. BTW, there are plenty of fossils in this area of the U.S. The U.S. southwest was several times the site of an inland sea in the distant past, and consequently, that area is one of the most fossil-rich areas on the continent. I would have to look it up on a US Geological Survey map to see what rock formations are present in Yucca Mountain, but given my very general knowledge of the regional geology, I would guess that there are shitloads of fossils in that mountain, the result of old ocean sediments being pushed up. HOWEVER, as little trust as I have in our government, I do trust that Yucca Mountain was selected in consultation with geologists and was chosen because it is "safe" on several levels: little to no tectonic activity; little to no geothermal activity; and no people living in the immediate vicinity. So, my opinion is that burying nuclear waste in a mountain is the lesser of all the evils, which does not mean that I am in favor of it, but can see the relative wisdom of it. What other short-term alternative is there, really? The only way to have long-term safety is to close down all nuclear power plants and enforce multilateral, 100% nuclear disarmament in every nation that now has nuclear weapons, and all nuclear weapon development programs should be stopped. On a somewhat related topic, isn't it ironic that the human species is capable of penetrating the mysteries of the atom and creating weapons of mass destruction in less then 10 years (Manhattan Project), and yet because of our willful ignorance, we cannot even agree that global warming is a real, scientifically undisputed phenomenon (refer to the IPCC), let alone create a "Manhattan Project" for reversing it? I am now reading a new book called "Boiling Point" by a journalist named Ross Gelbspan -- Al Gore published a review of it in the NY Times this week - -- and anyone who cares about the future of the planet (that would be just about everyone on the JMDL, right?) MUST read this book. Americans are dangerously ignorant about what's happening, and this book spells it out in no uncertain terms. No "Four Days After the Day Before Yesterday" hyperbole here -- it is a frank, no-nonsense account of just how sinister the campaign of disinformation in this country is, and of how desperate the climate change situation really is. As a former grad student in glacial geology/paleoclimatology, I can tell you that this book is a great place to get some real information. Our situation is truly dire, and while I am very concerned about things like Yucca Mountain, it's really small potatoes compared to the changes that we're going to be enduring within our lifetimes. Think about this: upwards of 30 feet of sea level rise within our lifetimes. 30 FEET. However, Gelbspan is also optimistic and I know that people like Kate Bennett will really appreciate his vision of how this crisis could inspire an evolutionary leap of consciousness and socio-economic justice if we get our shit together in time. Go buy "Boiling Point" and read it NOW. (It's a quick read.) I may very well leave this country if Bush steals the election again. Nova Scotia, maybe Sweden... that sounds nice. I really hate being an American right now. Kay "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" To: Kay Ashley/Nwy/US/WCG@WCG, joni@smoe.org bcc: Subject: Yucca Mountain (NJC) 08/17/2004 12:38 AM EDT Wow, nice job, Kay. Did you really use the word "geomorphology"? :) I defer to your more recent memory of geological time scales. That sounds right. I took geology around the Paleozoic age. I think it was 1969. Do you agree that there's almost nothing alive under there? While you pick at my details, you didn't come clean. Please tell me: Do you think Yucca Mountain is such a bad solution it needs to be stopped? If not Yucca, where? If not now, when? All the best, Lama _____________________________________________________________ The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose, nor disclose all or any part of its content to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:32:27 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Yucca Mountain (NJC) and "Boiling Point" Great post, as always, Kay. > I may very well leave this country if Bush steals the election again. Nova > Scotia, maybe Sweden... that sounds nice. I really hate being an American > right now. You aren't the only one. I keep telling my partner Mary that we need to think about Canada -- Vancouver is particularly appealing -- if Bush remains in office. Her argument is that his administration affects the entire world, so what's the difference where we live? She's correct about that, but I would still feel safer somewhere else. Holland is another possibility. Lori, with "The Handmaid's Tale" on her mind a lot these days ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:20:52 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Politics and Yuccy Mountian Anyone? -- NJC NJC NJC Thanks to Jerry, we know Michael Musto wrote: << And you certainly have to find sympathy with the fact that, as of last Friday, channels were still showing the suddenly riotous commercial for New Jersey tourism that has McGreevey and his family cavorting on a beach (no, not in Fire Island) as the shark-mouthed gov urges, "Come out and see what's new in Jersey." Thanks, honey, but I came out and I'm staying right here. >> Thanks for that, Jerry. I hope that as the Village Voice goes about their current firing campaign they realize what a treasure they have in Michael Musto. The only reason I go to the VV site every week is to read MM. Sometimes I read other articles that catch my eye, but his column is a weekly must-read. The VV isn't making any money off me, and I don't know how they can deal with their money woes, but Musto must stay! Also, I am so impressed with Kay Ashley's mind, I want to jump a fence to get at her! I have just reserved "Boiling Point" from my library, even though I almost never read nonfiction. I hope it has likable characters and a clever plot! And for those people who think I can never restrain myself: I have resisted writing a "Sugar Mountain"/"Yucca Mountain" parody for days now. (Plus, nothing rhymes with strontium 90 anyway.) - --Smurf "I am a gay American." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:15:13 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: seven releases Our dear Lama wrote: "I collected this from Amazon. The way I add this up, it's 7 releases in less than 2 years." Well, Joni did tell us point blank that she wants to make a lot of money before she quits this crazy scene! With a wink and a smile, Patti _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:32:57 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: NJC, the end of Bush? Querido Emiliano wrote: ".....ThatManBush is finishing his years as the worst USA president in these last 100 years (at least)... " I'll drink to that! Yes, let's HOPE he is FINISHING his years! Speaking of that, is anyone going to the rally on August 29th in NYC? Here's info: http://www.unitedforpeace.org/ I know it's during fest -- maybe you could hire the Peace Train to bring y'all down to the city? Peace, Patti, being quite chatty today -- that JT/Joni video really charged me up this morning, I guess! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:38:42 -0400 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: INCHES! I meant INCHES!! (NJC) Smurphy, CONTROL YOURSELF!!! D'oh! I meant to say that sea level will rise on the order of over 30 INCHES within our lifetimes, not feet. When I refuelled my brain over lunch today and then continued reading "Boiling Point", I realized that I had made a BIG BADDIE. But nonetheless, our nearly seafaring friends sPaz in New Orleans and Uncle John in the Netherlands can attest to the devasting effects of just 30 inches (SMURPHY!! I TOLD YOU TO SETTLE DOWN!!). But back to the point, I really think that "Boiling Point" should be required reading -- pick it up, read it, and spread the word! Word! Kay _____________________________________________________________ The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose, nor disclose all or any part of its content to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:41:30 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Re: Today's Library Links: August 18 our wonderful list meister Les sent ..... On August 18 the following articles were published: 1998: "A Day In The Garden" - Entertainment Weekly Online (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=104 1998: "Garden fest evokes Woodstock days" - San Diego Union-Tribune (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=326 1998: "Garden: You Can't Go Home Again" - New York Daily News (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=221 1998: "Veteran Rockers Get Back To The Garden" - SonicNet website (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=340 wow , how time flies when you're having fun....I remember when people were talking about going to this..and here we are seven years later..... anyway, greetings and salutations..... Ive been on sabbatical from the list for a little while and am back with the Joni only crowd for the time being, so bear with me if I ask about things that are old news. I would appreciate it very much if anyone can fill me in on the new CD of Joni's that is out in the US but not in Canada , yet. I went into a store and the clerk looked at me like I was from Mars ... and then he said, oh compilation... err..you mean....Hits? Misses??? And so I turned and left, because sometimes, it's just not worth getting into. Mags npimh: Coyote Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:28:53 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Politics Anyone? njc i loved this! thank you jerry, oh the good old times when there was only G, L and S and not GLTTBQ plus all the new "identities" du jour. *W*, identity conservative > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Jerry > Notaro > Enviado el: Miircoles, 18 de Agosto de 2004 11:50 a.m. > Para: Suzanne MarcAurele; joni-digest@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Politics Anyone? > > I'm going to post Michael Musto's column from the Village Voice on this > subject because it pretty well. I had great respect for McGreevey as a > governer, but he is no hero of mine as a gay man. > What the McGreevey mess means for closets, corruption, and casting couches ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:54:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today's Library Links: August 18 **I would appreciate it very much if anyone can fill me in on the new CD of Joni's that is out in the US but not in Canada Hi Mags - Yes, it's "Misses, Volume 2" released here in the US of A in July. The official title is "The Beginning Of Survival" and it's a collection of her politically-charged material from the Geffen & beyond years. Nothing new, unless you're excited by the thought of some new matchbook-sized paintings. You can check any basic music website and get the tracklist. And coming next month, it's "Misses Volume 3", also and officially called "Dreamland". It's a random collection of already released Joni tracks, tracklisting also readily available at Amazon.com or other music websites. Glad you're back - you can help us cheer Joni on as she goes for the Guinness record for "Most Superfluous Compilations Released In A Year"! (Frankly I don't think she stands a chance against me - I've already released 8 and have 4 more to go before year's end). Guinness? Did someone say Guinness? I'll take a pint! Bob NP: The Rascals, "Good Lovin'" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:51:26 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Today's Library Links: August 18 Hi Mags Yes, the Beginning of Survival is, quite simply, amazing. It just goes to show the world that Joni was not the shrinking violet femme that she so often gets mis-labelled but a writer with balls. For me, I love this collection - it's programmed more like a play than an album, and listen to it like that. Don't expect any hidden extras, apart from the paintings and the letter attributed to Chief Seattle - which, if not the truth, is a beautiful piece of fiction, sad, tragic but always hopeful - like the songs. I bought this online as it wasn't available in England until Monday just gone (in time for my birthday Thursday, heh heh so I'm expecting it as a present from a friend- after dropping enough hints that is!) and I'm glad I did. Repackaged, remastered, released for a reason. These songs were written to make the listener think, it just needs to get to as many listeners as possible. Observant, honest, exploratory, experimental, truthful. I wish it was not just a case of preaching to the choir. THESE SONGS NEED TO BE HEARD. If she would only release Beat of Black Wings!!!! Anyway, I'm nearly 32 so I'll shuddup ;) Much Joni Jamie Zoob I would appreciate it very much if anyone can fill me in on the new CD of Joni's that is out in the US but not in Canada , yet. I went into a store and the clerk looked at me like I was from Mars ... and then he said, oh compilation... err..you mean....Hits? Misses??? And so I turned and left, because sometimes, it's just not worth getting into. Mags npimh: Coyote Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:10:12 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Messages for Jonfest from non-attendees Hi all- You may not be going to Jonifest, but you can still be there "in spirit"! If you'd like to send on a message to all those that will be at Jonifest, to be read there, please send me a private post at this e-mail address by next Tuesday, August 24th. Thanks and hugs, and missing all of you that won't be there, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:10:48 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Misunderstood lyrics Smurf wrote to Em: <> Oh Silly Smurf, it's not Clonapin!! No "L" there! (Em, everyone *thinks* the line in Blue is "ink on a pin" but it's *really* "in Conapin" ya know, that place in south Jersey?) ;-) Hugs, Ashara, laughing it all the way, and mishearing something in almost every Joni song! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 02:29:11 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: One more Guinness for all these superfluous compilations! Bob says: > Hi Mags - Yes, it's "Misses, Volume 2" released here in the US of A in July. > The official title is "The Beginning Of Survival" and it's a collection of > her politically-charged material from the Geffen & beyond years. Nothing new, > unless you're excited by the thought of some new matchbook-sized paintings. > You can check any basic music website and get the tracklist. > And coming next month, it's "Misses Volume 3", also and officially called > "Dreamland". It's a random collection of already released Joni tracks, > tracklisting also readily available at Amazon.com or other music websites. > > Glad you're back - you can help us cheer Joni on as she goes for the > Guinness record for "Most Superfluous Compilations Released In A Year"! (Frankly I > don't think she stands a chance against me - I've already released 8 and have > 4 more to go before year's end). > > Guinness? Did someone say Guinness? I'll take a pint! > > Bob > > NP: The Rascals, "Good Lovin'" Hi, Bob! Yours aren't superfluous at all! If not for you, we should dig hardly to find these (...) songs covering Joni's masterworks! TBOS, Dreamland... ok, it's previously released stuff, in albums easily at our reach, wich they're worth each and every cent & decision & second you give to them. Another repackaging and song sequence... ok, that's fine, but I can easily wait for it. Your Covers & Contributions series... Surely they give just some inches of the vast land of reverie arising in us when we hear Joni's... but they're so damm funny! How could I get to listen to Both Sides Now in sooo many incarnations... folkie ones, new ages, "those big ugly organs", children chorus... even one in Spanish (by Txarango, vol. 25)... you can think is weird, but it can make you laugh, it can make you cry... You've know, I've got some 35 discs of your masterful project and I'm so grateful for this! It's perfect listening to them even when you're paying no attention: I love to be surprised! and one can reassure on how much I hate dramatic performances: such as the plethora of Nazareths or any Neil Diamond, je je. BTW, it has one good effect: the girls in the house will start praying you "Play some TRUE Joni album, please", ;-) My faves from them... I really haven't decided yet, but I can certainly say that your "Sweet 16" (at least the 1st vol; what is in the others?) is heaven to me: this Prince's A Case Of You > Gregson & Collister's Same Situation > Bonnie Raitt's That Song About The Midway is a gift... how could I get to listen Gregson & Collister without your required (las quiero) compilations? So the next Guinnes it will be for you, King Bob! Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Christine Tobin Band: A Chair In The Sky PS: Mags, it's so great to read from you! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:17:00 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: One more Guinness for all these superfluous compilations! **Yours aren't superfluous at all! Thanks, mi hermano de Joni covers, I guess you can just call them SUPER for short...I was thinking that the SC in my address stood for "superfluous compilation"! **but they're so damm funny! Yes, they do run the gamut, don't they...and one of the funniest will kick off Volume 56, but I don't want to get ahead of myself, that ones a couple of weeks away yet. **How could I get to listen to Both Sides Now in sooo many incarnations... folkie ones, new ages, "those big ugly organs", children chorus... even one in Spanish (by Txarango, vol. 25)... you can think is weird, but it can make you laugh, it can make you cry... I too have done both - the first BSN that gave me a case of the weepies was the Children's chorus on Volume 4, because all of the memories of singing BSN in Mrs. Galvin's 6th grade class came rushing back. And speaking of Spanish BSN's, don't forget Eva Marie's "Caminando Ire" that gets the party started on V19. (What's the translation for that anyway..."I'm going to go walking?" or is it some kind of idiom? Senor Wally, ayudame por favor! **You've know, I've got some 35 discs of your masterful project and I'm so grateful for this! And you have NO IDEA how it tickles me to see these flying around the world, the last ones going from our fellow covers brother-in-arms Doug Meek to Melissa in Australia. Hopefully they can make the rounds down under for awhile. And while I'm thinking about it, anyone who needs the MS Word tracklist inserts for any of these, lemme know and I'm happy to e-mail 'em to you. **BTW, it has one good effect: the girls in the house will start praying you "Play some TRUE Joni album, please", ;-) LOL - that's great, Emiliano, what a grand strategy, you are even smarter than I thought. **My faves from them... I really haven't decided yet, but I can certainly say that your "Sweet 16" (at least the 1st vol; what is in the others?) is heaven to me: this Prince's A Case Of You > Gregson & Collister's Same Situation > Bonnie Raitt's That Song About The Midway is a gift... how could I get to listen Gregson & Collister without your required (las quiero) compilations? That's the point - I've picked up on lots of great artists and records that I otherwise would not have heard, or heard of. Diana Krall, Karrin Allyson, Christine Collister, a Loooong list as you say. Sweet 16, V2 was issued as a giveaway for Jonifest 2003, and contains the following tracks: 1. Judd Grossman b Carey 2. Pam Bricker b Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 3. Melissa Errico b Night Ride Home 4. Sara Hickman b Chelsea Morning 5. Blue Tapestry b In France They Kiss On Main Street 6. Terry Gonda b Both Sides Now 7. Diana Krall b A Case Of You 8. Erinn Brown b Urge For Going 9. Beth Nielsen Chapman b You Turn Me On Ibm A Radio 10. Avalon Motel b Blue 11. Jonathan Cohen b Woodstock (with Christine Sullivan) 12. Itxaso & Daniel Perez b Cherokee Louise 13. Lorna Grant b Big Yellow Taxi 14. Renata Friedrich b Moon At The Window 15. A Bird That Whistles b Hejira 16. Lydia van Dam - Love Maybe you've heard most of them by now on other volumes. And I'd like to think that the incoming recordings were diminishing, but that's just not the case. I'm working as fast & furious as ever to keep up with everyone who steps up to record Joni's marvelous songs. Like Randall McMurphy says in "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest": "Giving up? No, I'm warming up." Thanks again for your continued support, Emiliano - it truly means a lot. Bob NP: Tom Waits "Day After Tomorrow" great new song from his upcoming October release ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:21:42 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Misunderstood lyrics Ashara writes: << Oh Silly Smurf, it's not Clonapin!! No "L" there! >> So do I at least get credit for coming up with the first officially recognised mondegreen of a mondegreen? Also, I didn't say nuthin' 'bout Noel. - --Silly Smurf "I am a gay American corrupt politician." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:26:44 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Joni on JT Video Stephen wrote: > I was the lucky raffle winner of this CD at last years > fest! It is a German release of a live James concert > in Mansfield Massachusetts 1994. then Bob wrote: > It's not a song, Hell, it's the title of the bootleg > which is the 1970 Paris Theatre Joni-JT show that we all > have. That show has been bootlegged under at least a > dozen different names. Damn, and here I thought I'd discovered something new! I should have known better, but it was the word "Cover" that threw me off. Note to self: Engage brain before writing to Joni list.... Hell ____________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:56:01 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc pc Ron wrote: <> Wow, that is a really good question, Ron! I wish I knew for certain the answer to that. I think fear is contagious and makes people do strange things. A few nurses I know told me that after 9/11, some of their patients in the hospital started making lewd harrassing comments to other nurses, some even became violent and one guy punched a pregnant nurse in the belly! Now the nurses live in fear, so yeah, fear does affect everyone involved and creates more fear. Apparently this behavior never occurred in this hospital before 9/11, and we are in the midwest, far away from New York. Also, sometimes I think people give up too easily and say, hey if you can't beat 'em, why not join 'em? People also like to have a certain comfort level, and it can be downright uncomfortable to be the minority voice. Ignorance is a huge contributing factor...another reason the 'republichristians' (thanks Kate!) are desperately trying to dismantle the public school system here in the U.S. Like Joni once said: "We are all hopelessly oppressed cowards." Anyway, thanks for giving me plenty to think about. Mia _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:17:33 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Today's Library Links: August 18 > Repackaged, remastered, released for a reason. These songs were written to make the listener think, it just needs to get to as many listeners as possible. Observant, honest, exploratory, experimental, truthful. I wish it was not just a case of preaching to the choir. THESE SONGS NEED TO BE HEARD. If she would only release Beat of Black Wings!!!! > > Anyway, I'm nearly 32 so I'll shuddup ;) I'm over 50 now and I say, rave on! I am with you 100% on this one, Jamie. I was listening to it on the way home from work today. Had it cranked up and and singing along with it. Passionate and brilliant and relevant. Everybody really should buy 2 and give one to a friend. This has an important message and people need to hear it. Mark E. in Seattle. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:39:31 EDT From: KindTaper@aol.com Subject: Joni's voice I don't want to start a war with this thought, but I just wanted to postulate that Joni's voice sounds the most beautiful to me on the "For the Roses" album. While it's a wonderful album and a recent favorite, I'm not talking about the music, the lyrics, or the songs as a whole. All I am commenting on are the octaves in her voice. This whole album blows my mind, but I'm going to point out what I mean in a few songs: Take "Banquet" for example, when she sings "logs and sails, and shell oil pails". Or in Barangrill" during the last line "And you even forget to ask (beautiful vocal lift there), Hey' Where's Barangrill?". One last example: in "Lesson in Survival", when she sings "You need to believe in something (octaves trickle downward) once I could in our love", I just want to be a leaf floating down from one of the trees in that forest she's in on the album cover. Just wanted to share. I'd love to hear about others' favorite vocal moments on her albums as well. Thanks, Wes ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #350 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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