From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #347 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, August 16 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 347 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hurricane Charley [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: The Cover of Dreamland now "beautiful losers" NJC ["Cynthia Vickery"] Re: Dreamland cover ["Kate Bennett" ] The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc pc ["Ka] Yucca Mountain, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: The Cover of Dreamland now "beautiful losers" NJC [Em ] Offer: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Update [Doug ] Julia Childs (SJC) ["Kay Ashley" ] re: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc pc ["mia ortlieb" ] RE: "Best of Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong on Verve", njc ["Maggie Mc] RE: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc pc ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc pc ["Ron" ] Re: vacation [FredNow@aol.com] RE: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc pc [Lori Fye ] Cover of "Beginning of Survival" [] Re: The Proofer Strikes Again! [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Joni's release dates lately [] Re: Yucca Mountain, njc, political [] Re: Joni at the Summer of Love? [Emiliano ] Re: The Proofer Strikes Again! [Emiliano ] Re: Julia Childs (SJC) [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Joni on JT Video [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Re: The Proofer Strikes Again! [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni moment [Michael Paz ] RE: Yucca Mountain, njc, political [Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Cover of Dreamland now "beautiful losers" NJC oh, that's one of my favorite books in the world! (despite it being the reason i stopped writing - that yummy leonard cohen said pretty much everything that needs to be said in that book. it made everything i wrote seem small.) am bringing it for the bookswap at 'fest, in fact, since it has joni-connection. em, i'll bring you your own copy, too, if you'll come to fest. :o) (and yeah, em - gorgeous and brilliant and twisted as shit. everything i look for in a partner!) cindy <> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:39:05 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Dreamland cover (What > does it mean to you?) Mark>St. Joni. Prophet witch or flower child? Discuss.< Lol mark... the maiden becomes the crone... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:45:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc pc >I think it explains why, in many ways, there has always been something I just don't *get* about Americans.< neither do I ... I am one... & a religious studies major to boot... but this study was prior to the crazy newfangled republichristian religion which has seriously departed far far away from both christianity & the republican party ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:55:34 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Yucca Mountain, njc gene wrote: "why do we need to have radioactive waste in the first place? it would take the "plates" hundreds of thousands of years to move enough to bury our waste. as my buddy einstein once said," the release of atom power has changed everything, except our way of thinking....... the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. if only i had know, i should have become a watchmaker." We should never say yes to nuclear any thing (power, etc) that creates waste. If you are not willing to put it in your own back yard . . then we shouldn't put it anywhere. Nuclear warfare should be outlawed for everyone, everywhere. . no exceptions .. I can hardly contemplate the insanity of it. Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:50:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The Cover of Dreamland now "beautiful losers" NJC ah Cindy, I'm sure all you write is not, in fact, small. And thanks for the offer to give me my own copy! But alas, I cannot make it to Jonifest. :( So I guess I'll snag a used one on Amazon.com or something. Thanks much though! Em - --- Cynthia Vickery wrote: > > oh, that's one of my favorite books in the world! (despite it > being the reason i stopped writing - that yummy leonard cohen > said pretty much everything that needs to be said in that book. > it made everything i wrote seem small.) > am bringing it for the bookswap at 'fest, in fact, since it has > joni-connection. > em, i'll bring you your own copy, too, if you'll come to fest. > :o) > (and yeah, em - gorgeous and brilliant and twisted as shit. > everything i look for in a partner!) > > cindy > > < Losers" Had completely forgotten about that. I think it was an > important book for > me but it got somehow eclipsed. > Gawd, was (is!) Leonard Cohen gorgeous or what? > :) > Em >> > > > > > ===== - - - - - - - "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds. " Bob Marley "Redemption Song" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:02:26 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: Dreamland cover "I feel like I'm going to be an ornery old lady." Joni Mitchell 1971 see: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=296 Kate Bennett wrote: > (What > > >>does it mean to you?) >> >> > >Mark>St. Joni. Prophet witch or flower child? Discuss.< > >Lol mark... the maiden becomes the crone... > >. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:06:02 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Offer: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Update Covers 1-10 going to Em in FL Covers 31-40 going to Melissa in Australia Doug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:59:17 -0400 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Julia Childs (SJC) I am hearing something.... I can see it at the Full Moon.... it's Bob Murphy in an apron.... singing "Crockpot In the Sky" ;-D Kay _____________________________________________________________ The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose, nor disclose all or any part of its content to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:46:13 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc pc Catherine quoted from the Toronto Star: "The abortion issue ought to take precedence over economic self-interest. If you're pro-choice, you ought to vote Kerry, even though your taxes will go up." The sad reality is that most of these fundies spend all their energy defending fetuses in the womb, but they could care less about the suffering of children outside of the womb - thus the huge percentage of children living in poverty today in the U.S. I think religion used to be a bit more progressive in the U.S. It was a lot more left-leaning and more about helping people in need, from what I remember. That all seemed to shift during the materialistic 80's. Now it's all political and the congregations do in fact tell you who to vote for (read: Militant Christians). Although in the 50's, religion was used as a tool to taunt the commie's god-less government. That's when we put "In God We Trust" on our coinage and added God to the pledge. I think people are fearful that the American Empire is coming to a close, and with good reason. But it is this fear that makes people follow those hate-mongering religious crowds. Perhaps they are trying to speed up that "rapture" thingy by supporting and aiding the conflicts in the Middle East. I don't know. The whole thing makes me sick! Regarding taxes, no matter who is president in the future, taxes are going to have to go up because of our current "don't tax, but spend" president. Even Clinton was fiscally more conservative than Bush! Mia _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:17:33 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?FW=3A_R=E9f=2E_=3A_RE=3A_R=E9f=2E_=3A_RE=3A_Jfes t_raffle?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_=3F?= Per Michael's request...by the way, he is ever so generously donating items for the raffle...just one of the ways that one can participate in the 'fest (or, as he calls it, Jfest). Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: Michael.O'Malley@mcc.gouv.qc.ca [mailto:Michael.O'Malley@mcc.gouv.qc.ca] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:21 AM To: mm@mcc.gouv.qc.ca Subject: Rif. : RE: Rif. : RE: Jfest raffle ? HI Maggie, I've de-subscribed from the list cause I've just changed my server and email address. I wil re-subscribe soon with a hotmail address...in the meantime, could you please post this to the list for me? There is a great contest going on now, on CBC radio , called 50 Tracks, in which a rotating panel of music specialists is creating a master list of 50 essential tracks from the 20th century - 5 tracks from each decade. Votes are then solicited from listeners to rate the picks. Carol Pope (from the band Rough Trade) chose Joni's "River" as one of her 70's picks, and the song is currently tied in 5th place (in the 70's section) with Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side". So get thee to this website, register and vote to secure Joni's place firmly on this list. http://www.cbc.ca/50tracks/ Follow the links to the Tracks list, then Vote! Do it now! Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:52:21 -0400 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Yucca Mountain (NJC) Must put in my two cents... Lama's argument in favor of Yucca Mt as a solution is interesting but not entirely correct. I have a problem with using Yucca Mountain as a waste storage facility, but my objection is moral and aesthetic; in fact, it may be the safest way to deal with large quantities of nuclear waste, at least in the short term. As far as plate tectonics "taking care of things", it must be noted that one reason to choose Yucca Mountain in the first place is that it is in an area of virtually no tectonic activity. There are no major continental or oceanic plate boundaries in the immediate vicinity, and the lack of earthquake or geothermal activity in Nevada is a major appeal of the site. The Basin and Range geomorphology that typifies the southwest of this country is the result of block faulting that is indirectly caused by tectonic activity at plate boundaries elsewhere. Yucca Mountain was not created by the collision of the Pacific plate with the North American plate the way the mountain ranges of the Pacific Northwest have been; those mountains are the direct result of the Pacific plate being subducted (think conveyor belt) beneath the North American plate, and the famous volcanic activity in that mountain range is the direct result of the Pacific plate materials being "melted" miles below the surface, with the resultant heat and pressure looking for release above. Yucca Mountain is not part of such a subduction zone, and therefore, thinking of plate tectonics as "disposing" of our nuclear waste for us is inaccurate and anachronistic -- the time scales are wrong. It would take millions and millions of years for surface material to be "recycled" and therefore moved out of harm's way. By that time, all of the radioactive waste material would have gone through all of its half-life cycling and would be inert. But more to the point, the surface material at Yucca Mountain (and even the depths of mountains are considered "surface", since the earth's crust is miles thick) is not going to be part of such a subduction zone at any point in the future of Homo Sapiens. I would hazard a guess that our species will be a paleontological curiosity before the plates rearrange themselves such that Yucca Mountain finds itself at an active plate boundary. A couple of examples of the time scales involved in plate tectonics: the Rocky Mountains are "young" and it took them over 65 million years to form; North America used to be connected to Europe and Africa, and it took 250 million years for the Atlantic Ocean to open up. And I don't foresee we primates surviving in some form for that long -- the only creatures to survive for long periods of time (tens of millions to hundreds millions of years) are relatively simple and non-destructive creatures like Ammonites (now extinct, but they ruled the sea beds for more than 200 million years) and Horseshoe Crabs (still going strong and relatively unchanged over a similar time frame). The larger issue is the moral quandary posed by creating lethal waste in exchange for a power source that supplies less than 5% of our electricity. I could go on a rant here about the hypocrisy of the Christian right and how we have failed to be good stewards of our god-given home, but the result would be very predictable.... ;-) Solar power, anyone? Musician-turned-geologist-turned-musician reporting, Kay :-) _____________________________________________________________ The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose, nor disclose all or any part of its content to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:32:17 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: "Best of Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong on Verve", njc Couldn't agree with you more. In fact, I have the Hot Five & Seven recordings of Louis archival materials and can listen to it all day and night. What a genius, and so apparently untroubled that his music that are all about the blues can still make me smile. How is that possible? Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: Smurfycopy@aol.com [mailto:Smurfycopy@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:34 PM To: jlamadoo@fuse.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: "Best of Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong on Verve", njc Lama writes: << The 3rd disc was songs from "Porgy & Bess". >> One of my favorites. Maybe even a desert islander. I love everything about their "P & B," even the sorta sappy '50s arrangements. Lama also noted: << They both seem to have a ball and that kind of fun is infectious. >> God love Ella, but I see Louis as the one who brought that kind of infectious fun with him wherever he went. I loved him from the first time I ever saw him on the Ed Sullivan Show. The first day I ever spent in Paris was the day Louis died. "Louis est mort," the headlines said. I was 18 years old. I will always remember my amazement that this beautiful foreign city so openly felt my grief. All of this happened in the last century, when our arses were not hanging out of our trousers like some of those damned whippersnappers today. - --Smurf "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - --George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:47:19 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc pc Yes, but Lori, another way to think of it is that we are a country that was founded BECAUSE of religion, and not just any religion, but the Christian kind. The Pilgrims didn't struggle to begin a new nation founded on principles of religious freedom or tolerance, but specifically for the right to practice religion their way. Therefore, it is entirely consistent with our origins, n'est pas? (excuse the use of the freedom language, but I'm in an ironic mood) Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: Lori Fye [mailto:lori@lrfye.lunarpages.com] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 9:22 PM To: Catherine McKay; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - - njc pc Catherine offered: > I don't think I was ever truly aware of just how > powerful religion is in the US, compared to here in > Canada, even though people here on the list have > talked about it. It has always seemed like a foreign > language to me, or possibly that people were > exaggerating somewhat. It's no exaggeration. Religion is everywhere in the U.S., and it continues to be the source of most of the political disagreements, be they about abortion, gay rights, or equality (gender, racial, etc.). Ironic to me is that the U.S. was founded on the freedom to practice one's religion -- and by extension, the freedom NOT to practice religion at all -- but Christianity is shoved down our throats at every turn, especially during times when the Republicans are in control of everything, and more so at this particular time than at any other time in my life. Have you read Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tale"? If you haven't, you should. If things continue the way they've been, if Bush is reelected, I can really foresee something similar to that story happening in the U.S. On a lighter note but still in the vein of religion being everywhere in the U.S., today is the Feast of the Assumption and my Salvadoran neighbors (who live in houses on both sides of mine) had BIG parties today, complete with cake. There was piqata breakage and loud music and lots of drink. It's a religious observance, but at least they're enjoying themselves! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:39:35 -0700 From: "J. Gonzales" Subject: Joni at the Summer of Love? this was on Out.com: "No Love This Summer in NYC" The Summer of Love 2004, the Manhattan concert poised to be the gay music event of the season (and the GLBT answer to the Republican National Convention) has been canceled due to lack of funding, according to the events Web site. The concert, which had secured musical performances from Deborah Harry, Scissor Sisters, the cast of Avenue Q, BETTY, Justin Bond & Kenny Melman, John Kelly, *Joni Mitchell* and Dave Koz as well as celebrities, comics, and activists, was to be a musical protest against the GOPs push for a Constitutional amendment against gay marriage. After months of work from an all-volunteer committee (including actor-director John Cameron Mitchell), and after securing the needed permits to produce the concert in Central Park, the events Web site this week announced: From the beginning, many GLTB organizations, the usual suspects in the world of big gay money, and many concerned performers and citizens said were there, call us when you get the permit. We got the permits. We called. But sadly many of those promises were broken. The free event was expected to draw some 40,000 people. Seeing as how she's reportedly retired from public performance, I think maybe they meant to type John Kelly performing as Joni Mitchell? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:51:36 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc pc hi >>>catherine mentioned some surprise over religion in the usa >>>>mia replied >>>Now it's all political and the congregations do in fact tell you who to vote for (read: Militant Christians). Although in the 50's, religion was used as a tool to taunt the commie's god-less government. That's when we put "In God We Trust" on our coinage and added God to the pledge.<<<< yeah - the ironic thing is that most of the protestant churches will gleefully tell you that the catholic church went down the drain when it got too involved in politics. >>>>>But it is this fear that makes people follow those hate-mongering religious crowds. i was just speaking to a friend about this the other night. a lot of the signs/tactics that i see in the USA at the moment are the same ones which were used to such devastating effect in south africa during apartheid. all based on fear, these include excessive patriotism, religious justification, racism, suspicion, control of the press, , use of the military as police, and militant, and in some cases violent intolerance for opposing viewpoints. it is not a good way to live - in fact it is a really, really shit lifestyle. even when consciously rejecting the lies and fear being shovelled at one, it still affects so much in a person on some level - deep down - one wonders if the fears etc are in fact justified - after all how can so many people be so consistently wrong????? ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:25:23 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni at the Summer of Love? > this was on Out.com: > > "No Love This Summer in NYC" > > The Summer of Love 2004, the Manhattan concert poised to be the gay music > event of the season (and the GLBT answer to the Republican National > Convention) has been canceled due to lack of funding, according to the > events Web site. The concert, which had secured musical performances from > Deborah Harry, Scissor Sisters, the cast of Avenue Q, BETTY, Justin Bond & > Kenny Melman, John Kelly, *Joni Mitchell* and Dave Koz as well as > celebrities, comics, and activists, was to be a musical protest against the > GOPs push for a Constitutional amendment against gay marriage. After months > of work from an all-volunteer committee (including actor-director John > Cameron Mitchell), and after securing the needed permits to produce the > concert in Central Park, the events Web site this week announced: From the > beginning, many GLTB organizations, the usual suspects in the world of big > gay money, and many concerned performers and citizens said were there, > call us when you get the permit. We got the permits. We called. But sadly > many of those promises were broken. The free event was expected to draw > some 40,000 people. > > Seeing as how she's reportedly retired from public performance, I think > maybe they meant to type John Kelly performing as Joni Mitchell? > I'm sure of it, but sad, nonetheless. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:05:40 -0400 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: vacation Dflahm@aol.com wrote: >>We are going to Michigan Tuesday, will return Sept 8. >> >>Part of the vacation: two concerts in which our drummer will be Sarah Allen. >>Her husband is Fred Simon. We're psyched! >> >>To everyone: be well and have a great 'fest. I'm gonna try and make one of the two nights if possible. Looking forward to it. To all at the fest ... rock on! I think one lucky person will win a copy of my new album, Remember the River, in the raffle, courtesy of Maggie's generosity. All best, Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:26:17 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: RE: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc pc > Yes, but Lori, another way to think of it is that we are a country that was > founded BECAUSE of religion, and not just any religion, but the Christian > kind. The Pilgrims didn't struggle to begin a new nation founded on > principles of religious freedom or tolerance, but specifically for the right > to practice religion their way. Therefore, it is entirely consistent with > our origins, n'est pas? (excuse the use of the freedom language, but I'm in > an ironic mood) Yes, but Maggie : ) ... I realize that the Pilgrims departed for the "New World" so they could practice and advance their fundamentalist Christian faith. However, when I consider the founding of the United States, I think of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights otherwise known as the first ten Amendments. The First Amendment, which reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." ... was based on Thomas Jefferson's "The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom," (also known as "the precursor to the Religion Clauses of the First Amendment") which reads, in part: "WE, the General Assembly of Virginia, do enact that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities." The founders of the U.S. did not intend to have Christianity forced upon us. (But good luck trying to convince John Ashcroft of that.) : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:22:43 -0400 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: vacation Michael Paz wrote: >>Have a wonderful time on your vacation in the state of my birth. I wish I >>could be a fly on the wall esp. with Fred Simon in the room and a couple of >>pianos. Brings back wonderful vivid memories of Mr. Lahm at my piano in my >>living room and the family and friends all around.. Ahhh! Thanks for the sweet words, Michael. You know, if anyone could mastermind a concert with two pianos, me and David, duos and solos, you could. All best, Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:40:56 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc pc You see, the problem with your logic is that you're depending on the constitution of the U.S. to guide our values and sense of what we can and cannot do, should and should not do. Whereas, I am seeing that that is all a mere inconvenience to those who *know* what is right. But thanks for the reminder of what used to be held up as the highest source of power in our country...in what I think we can agree were "the good old days." (sigh) - -----Original Message----- From: Lori Fye [mailto:lori@lrfye.lunarpages.com] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:26 PM To: Maggie McNally Cc: Catherine McKay; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - - njc pc > Yes, but Lori, another way to think of it is that we are a country that was > founded BECAUSE of religion, and not just any religion, but the Christian > kind. The Pilgrims didn't struggle to begin a new nation founded on > principles of religious freedom or tolerance, but specifically for the right > to practice religion their way. Therefore, it is entirely consistent with > our origins, n'est pas? (excuse the use of the freedom language, but I'm in > an ironic mood) Yes, but Maggie : ) ... I realize that the Pilgrims departed for the "New World" so they could practice and advance their fundamentalist Christian faith. However, when I consider the founding of the United States, I think of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights otherwise known as the first ten Amendments. The First Amendment, which reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." ... was based on Thomas Jefferson's "The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom," (also known as "the precursor to the Religion Clauses of the First Amendment") which reads, in part: "WE, the General Assembly of Virginia, do enact that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities." The founders of the U.S. did not intend to have Christianity forced upon us. (But good luck trying to convince John Ashcroft of that.) : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:46:01 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: RE: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc pc > You see, the problem with your logic is that you're depending on the > constitution of the U.S. to guide our values and sense of what we can and > cannot do, should and should not do. Whereas, I am seeing that that is all a > mere inconvenience to those who *know* what is right. > > But thanks for the reminder of what used to be held up as the highest source > of power in our country...in what I think we can agree were "the good old > days." (sigh) Excellent point, Maggie! Lori, who would love to see Ashcroft, et al, tried for crimes against civil rights when this adminstration dissolves next January ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:20:11 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: The Proofer Strikes Again! On Joni's booklet included with "The Beginning of Survival," I spied with my little proofreader eye that "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" is noted as adapted from "The Second Coming" by W.B. "Yates" not Yeats (probably got it mixed up with Rowdy Yates, hmm?) Do Hollywood people have proofers in their entourages? I'll have to look into that ... (although I don't think we could consider Joni a Hollywood person). Oh, yeah, beautiful paintings but so small I can barely make them out (or is that my age?). I still miss albums and their album-sized art. And I don't think my other comment came through, that I've been transcribing her recent interview on WPFK and she refers to "when I write my memoirs ..." they'll have very little about the whole 'entertainer' portion of her life. When. I liked that part. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:36:28 -0400 From: Subject: Cover of "Beginning of Survival" Typically, a photo is a representation of what others see, right? As I learned here on the JMDL, a painter flips the image left-to-right, when doing a self-portrait. That's because the flipped version matches what they see in the mirror every morning. When I hold up my right hand in front of a mirror, I see it on my right. (It's the opposite for someone else looking at me. For them, when I raise my right hand, they experience it on *their* left.) The (brown) ghoul hand is on the right side of the cover. To me, that means that the brown hand on the right represents her right hand. The light green hand (on the other hand heh heh) is her left. To me, the equally alarming hand on the right of the cover of DREAMLAND also represents the right hand. http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002MPQ50.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg Lama "Recognize this? I love it Dreamer Isn't there some other way? Who cares!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:06:18 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: The Proofer Strikes Again! hmmmm yes, I think they 'ignored' the names in the proofing here... Isn't it mean to be Lenny Waronker and not Warnoker? Did he not produce Rickie Lee Jones' debut album with Russ Titelman? Or am I sniffing round the wrong bush? Much Joni Jamie Zoob Lindsay Moon wrote: On Joni's booklet included with "The Beginning of Survival," I spied with my little proofreader eye that "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" is noted as adapted from "The Second Coming" by W.B. "Yates" not Yeats (probably got it mixed up with Rowdy Yates, hmm?) Do Hollywood people have proofers in their entourages? I'll have to look into that ... (although I don't think we could consider Joni a Hollywood person). Oh, yeah, beautiful paintings but so small I can barely make them out (or is that my age?). I still miss albums and their album-sized art. And I don't think my other comment came through, that I've been transcribing her recent interview on WPFK and she refers to "when I write my memoirs ..." they'll have very little about the whole 'entertainer' portion of her life. When. I liked that part. Lindsay - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:15:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: The Proofer Strikes Again! - --- Lindsay Moon wrote: > On Joni's booklet included with "The Beginning of Survival," I spied with > my little proofreader eye that "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" is noted as > adapted from "The Second Coming" by W.B. "Yates" not Yeats (probably got it > mixed up with Rowdy Yates, hmm?) Do Hollywood people have proofers in > their entourages? I'll have to look into that ... (although I don't think > we could consider Joni a Hollywood person). Oh, yeah, beautiful paintings > but so small I can barely make them out (or is that my age?). I still miss > albums and their album-sized art. > > And I don't think my other comment came through, that I've been > transcribing her recent interview on WPFK and she refers to "when I write > my memoirs ..." they'll have very little about the whole 'entertainer' > portion of her life. When. I liked that part. An even worse typo I recently saw was in the closing credits of the WOHAM dvd, where they thanked, among others, our own "Les Irwin" I'd like to read Joni's memoirs too, WHEN she writes them. I hope we're all still around to read them. Thanks for doing those transcriptions, Lindsay. we jmdlers DO appreciate it. And to everyone headed to Fest, have a great time! I'll miss you. For those still on the fence - GO if you can. You won't regret it. Take care everyone, Brian np: Eleanor McEvoy - Memphis Tennessee (Chuck Berry's tune) from her lastest SA-CD, Early Hours. Give it a listen. ===== After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:24:54 -0400 From: Subject: Joni's release dates lately I collected this from Amazon. The way I add this up, it's 7 releases in less than 2 years. Lama Joni Mitchell - "Dreamland" CD Rhino Records To be Released September 14, 2004 ASIN: B0002MPQ50 Joni Mitchell - "Refuge of the Roads" DVD Studio: Sony Music (Video) To be Released: August 24, 2004 ASIN: B0002S94OI Joni Mitchell - "Beginning of Survival" CD Geffen Records Released July 27, 2004 ASIN: B0002IQI9W Joni Mitchell - "Complete Geffen Recordings" 4 CDs Geffen Records Released: September 23, 2003 ASIN: B0000C7PSH Joni Mitchell - "Shadows and Light" DVD DVD Release Date: June 24, 2003 Studio: Sony Music (Video) ASIN: B00009AV7L Joni Mitchell - "Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart and Mind" DVD Released: June 3, 2003 Studio: Red Distribution, In (?) ASIN: B000096FTI Joni Mitchell - "Travelogue" 2 CDs Released: November 19, 2002 Label: Nonesuch ASIN: B00006X06U ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:28:00 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Yucca Mountain, njc, political Kate & everyone, There's a bit of life at the bottom of the oceans but almost nothing that far under a mountain. A few miles down, there's no light and no water. There's no food. There's nothing to breathe for either a plant or an animal. Below that, it's just rock. It's so deep there isn't even a fossil record down there. Below that it's molten- the stuff that flows out of a volcano. Further down, there's an iron core if I remember right. I'm with you when you say "this earth is a living organism". The worst part about it is we have to find a way to keep it away from the eco-system but we can't put it in space. We have to keep it on the planet but away from living things. To me, that rules out the oceans! The only thing left is a place where no living thing can eat or breathe. There's a poetry to burying the stuff too: We had to mine it to begin with. We should have left it there. Instead, the only solution is to put it back where God/Goddess/Nature/Higher Being/the Great Spirit intends for it to be: Far from every living thing. All the best, Lama Kate said, I agree & we could have solved this problem a long time ago, we've had the alternative technology for decades... continuing to use technology that is this toxic to the environment is suicidal... Lama >there's almost nothing living under Yucca mountain right now. >The tectonic plate will gradually swallow those concrete cylinders, > dispensing them closer to the molten core of our planet I understand that you are arguing a point based on what we can do with what we have created now... however I would disagree with you that nothing is living under Yucca mountain... I am not a geologist or any kind of scientist but I know that this earth is a living organisim through & through from the outside to the inside... reading your description of what someone has proposed... to let these cylinders will be swallowed into the core of our planet... to me that is chilling... the core is possibly the heart of this planet... a bad place to be putting toxic nuclear waste IMO... I don't have a solution as to what to do with it now other than to say STOP MAKING MORE OF THIS! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 01:31:51 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Joni at the Summer of Love? Ji, J.! You can bet the rest of this summer that the reference in that news was actually to John Kelly; if it could be true Joni had promised to appear, if only to say some words and sing some song called Both Sides Now with the audience, the attention given on the article to her name would be much much more! BTW, what would they say with "many of these promises were broken", I wonder... Have a Fantastic Summer! Emiliano Np: Suzanne Vega: Penitent - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "J. Gonzales" > this was on Out.com: > > "No Love This Summer in NYC" > > The Summer of Love 2004, the Manhattan concert poised to be the gay music > event of the season (and the GLBT answer to the Republican National > Convention) has been canceled due to lack of funding, according to the > events Web site. The concert, which had secured musical performances from > Deborah Harry, Scissor Sisters, the cast of Avenue Q, BETTY, Justin Bond & > Kenny Melman, John Kelly, *Joni Mitchell* and Dave Koz as well as > celebrities, comics, and activists, was to be a musical protest against the > GOPs push for a Constitutional amendment against gay marriage. After months > of work from an all-volunteer committee (including actor-director John > Cameron Mitchell), and after securing the needed permits to produce the > concert in Central Park, the events Web site this week announced: From the > beginning, many GLTB organizations, the usual suspects in the world of big > gay money, and many concerned performers and citizens said were there, > call us when you get the permit. We got the permits. We called. But sadly > many of those promises were broken. The free event was expected to draw > some 40,000 people. > > Seeing as how she's reportedly retired from public performance, I think > maybe they meant to type John Kelly performing as Joni Mitchell? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 01:55:14 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: The Proofer Strikes Again! Hi, Lindsay! First, many thanks for transcribing the WPFK interview! Please please please send it to JMDL when you've finished, you'd do? I admit I'm very curious about the whole interview after reading Catherine The Great's excerpts, and most of all in these days, when ThatManBush is finishing his years as the worst USA president in these last 100 years (at least)... and Joni is releasing so many compilations!!! I agree with you about the artwork: the tiny photos on cd booklets are good only to know "what's the matter" of a Picture. In other hand, Lp's covers, besides the golden ages of first 70's, they would have 3 pictures per page along with the lyrics, so I fear we couldn't look back in nostalgia... except for that gorgeous covers. The mistake for Yeats is very shameful, it seems people working as proofreaders for WEA doesn't know who is W.B.Yeats (Could I be more surprised? of course). It makes me want them to swallow Angelo Branduardi's record. BTW: that "When I write my memoirs"... correct me if I'm wrong, but she's talking in future tense, isn't it? What about that announcing from some months ago in Amazon? Well... a Great Time to all of you Yours: Emiliano (very happy having suceeded subscribing to LIST again) NP: Loudon Wainwright III: No Sure Way - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Lindsay Moon" > On Joni's booklet included with "The Beginning of Survival," I spied with > my little proofreader eye that "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" is noted as > adapted from "The Second Coming" by W.B. "Yates" not Yeats (probably got it > mixed up with Rowdy Yates, hmm?) Do Hollywood people have proofers in > their entourages? I'll have to look into that ... (although I don't think > we could consider Joni a Hollywood person). Oh, yeah, beautiful paintings > but so small I can barely make them out (or is that my age?). I still miss > albums and their album-sized art. > > And I don't think my other comment came through, that I've been > transcribing her recent interview on WPFK and she refers to "when I write > my memoirs ..." they'll have very little about the whole 'entertainer' > portion of her life. When. I liked that part. > > Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:14:20 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Julia Childs (SJC) Kay writes: << it's Bob Murphy in an apron.... singing "Crockpot In the Sky" >> Damn, Kay! You ruined the surpise. (Although I was going to do "Stew.") - --S, who actually met Julia in the 80s when we both had different hairdos "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - --George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:30:28 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Joni on JT Video Not sure if anyone has seen this before but if you click on http://www.james-taylor.com/gallery/ and look for the Only One link. See if this works: http://www.james-taylor.com/gallery/OnlyOne.ram It'll play in realaudio if you have it but this must've been recorded during the sessions for DED when Joni goes 'across the hall' to see who else is recording as Don Henley is on it as well (he sings with James Taylor on Tax Free, Dog Eat Dog and Shiny Toys). Towards the end we get Joni's vocal stylings peeping through which is amusing as the chorus is kinda samey throughout. Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:47:06 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Very Positive DVD review http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=11951 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:35:26 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Two Joni reviews in the latest RS And they're both positive ones! TBOS review: _http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album?id=6305215&pageid=rs.ArtistSearch&pageregion=triple1_ (http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album?id=6305215&pageid=rs.ArtistSearch&pageregion=triple1) And they have this to say about ROTR/DVD: *** Three Stars - Tour Doc, with a heavy dose of art - Exquisitely artful. Boldly ambitious. No, Refuge Of The Roads isn't a new Slipknot DVD but the welcome rerelease of Joni Mitchell's elegant, romantic concert documentary from her 1983 tour in support of Wild Things Run Fast. Like that fine album, the film - directed by Mitchell herself - - captures the icon on the road and in upbeat form. Yes, there really was a time when serious artists weaved Luis Bunuel clips and Charles Mingus footage into their concert keepsakes. (David Wild) Bob NP: Cornelius, "Clash" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:50:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Proofer Strikes Again! And of course another boo-boo, the misspelling of the biblical character in "Passion Play"...The CD spells Zaccheus' name as "Zachius", and I can find no other reference that spells it with an "i". Zacchaeus, Zaccheus, but not Zachius. When in doubt, leave it out. I've known what the song was about all along anyway without having to have it spelled out (incorrectly). Bob NP: Cornelius, "Free Fall" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:59:21 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Yucca Mountain, njc, political It may indeed be the best choice given that we are stuck with it... but I disagree about 'just rock'... to many, rocks are very much alive... >Below that, it's just rock. It's so deep there isn't even a fossil record down there. >There's a poetry to burying the stuff too: We had to mine it to begin with. We should have left it there. Hadn't thought of that, indeed there is some kind of poetry to that... however we've altered it to be quite toxic... scares me to think how often we humans who don't have much knowledge about the earth or the balance of nature think with our intellect that something is harmless & it turns out to be so destructive... burying it far within the earth makes me nervous... I haven't read that interview though, perhaps I should before commenting any further... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:16:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Proofer Strikes Again! --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > And of course another boo-boo, the misspelling of > the biblical character in > "Passion Play"...The CD spells Zaccheus' name as > "Zachius", and I can find no > other reference that spells it with an "i". > Zacchaeus, Zaccheus, but not > Zachius. > When in doubt, leave it out. I've known what the > song was about all along > anyway without having to have it spelled out > (incorrectly). > Like Joni, I'm looking forward to be an ornery old lady. One thing that drives me nuts is the complete disregard people - educated people who should know better - have for such things as spelling and fact-checking. We is going to hell in a handbasket, we is! Ain't nobody got no respect for da language no more! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:23:25 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni moment I LOVE those moments when everyone else is forced to realize the un paralleled beauty of the Joan. It's like a feather in your cap. Love Paz P.S. Tell the old man to work on his guitar chops and to pull some other non-Joni songs out for the late night jams. > Clear DayHello all, > Just returned from a lovely week in Bermuda. We took a late night glass = > bottom boat cruise out of Hamilton one night. After viewing the coral = > reef (illuminated- now that was a new twist), we came back past what the = > locals call "Paradise Islands", a set of small undeveloped islands where = > they spend weekends. The boat captain said that they had to come out to = > them because Bermuda was suffering from overdevelopment like that Joni = > Mitchell song about Paving Paradise. Of course, my family starts = > groaning (quietly) and elbowing me on the dark ride back to town. I just = > sat their with a big grin. Her message is always near. > > All the best,=20 > Janine=20 > unpacking and enjoying one last day before back to the grind. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:23:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Yucca Mountain, njc, political --- Kate Bennett wrote: > It may indeed be the best choice given that we are > stuck with it... but I > disagree about 'just rock'... to many, rocks are > very much alive... Lama: > >Below that, it's just rock. It's so deep there > isn't even a fossil record > down there. > > >There's a poetry to burying the stuff too: We had > to mine it to begin > with. We should have left it there. Kate: > Hadn't thought of that, indeed there is some kind of > poetry to that... > however we've altered it to be quite toxic... scares > me to think how often > we humans who don't have much knowledge about the > earth or the balance of > nature think with our intellect that something is > harmless & it turns out to > be so destructive... burying it far within the earth > makes me nervous... The whole business makes me nervous too. First, the idea that we're fecking around with this stuff; second, that we're dumping it. Now a dumb question - is this stuff natively toxic, or is it processing that makes it so? A bit of both, I think? Although burying this junk under a mountain may be the best alternative at present, I think we're doing TERRIBLE things and upsetting the balance of nature and we are going to pay. We can't feck with the earth like this and keep getting away with it. It would be terribly ironic if Yucca Mt ended up being a dormant volcano and, after having buried this stuff there, it erupted and spewed it all over the place. (I'm thinking of an episode of the Simpsons where Mr Burns buried and hid nuclear waste all over the place.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #347 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)