From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #346 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, August 16 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 346 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- vacation [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Dreamland cover [david sapp ] Re: "Dreamland", was "Snapshots of a Diary" ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: The Cover of Dreamland [Ken ] Re: Yucca Mountain, njc, political ["gene mock" ] Offer: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 1-10 of JM Covers [Doug ] Re: "Dreamland", was "Snapshots of a Diary" [Catherine McKay ] Re: Offer: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 1-10 of JM Covers [Em ] Re: Offer: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 1-10 of JM Covers [Doug <] Re: Dreamland cover [Em ] The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc pc [Cat] Re: dreamland - golden aura [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Re: TBOS Detroit Free Press Review [Em ] Rhino's role, njc really ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] "Dreamland" cover, jc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Why Joni Can't Write, was "The Cover of Dreamland and Joni's writing" ["L] "Best of Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong on Verve", njc ["Lama, Jim L'H] Patti Griffin in the NY Times, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: hell's a hippy's way to go.... njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: hell's a hippy's way to go.... njc [Em ] Re: hell's a hippy's way to go.... [Randy Remote ] Re: hell's a hippy's way to go.... njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Why Joni Can't Write, was "The Cover of Dreamland and Joni's writing" [Randy Remote ] Re: Rhino's role, njc really [Randy Remote ] Re: hell's a hippy's way to go.... njc [Em ] Re: Why Joni Can't Write, was "The Cover of Dreamland and Joni's writing" ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: "Best of Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong on Verve", njc [Michael Pa] Re: hell's a hippy's way to go.... [Michael Paz ] Re: Hurricane Charley [Michael Paz ] Joni moment ["janine sherman" ] Today's Library Links: August 16 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 08:04:07 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: vacation We are going to Michigan Tuesday, will return Sept 8. Part of the vacation: two concerts in which our drummer will be Sarah Allen. Her husband is Fred Simon. We're psyched! To everyone: be well and have a great 'fest. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 08:53:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: david sapp Subject: Re: Dreamland cover could it be - Don't interrupt the sorrow Darn right In flames our prophet witches Be polite peace, david ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 07:34:41 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: "Dreamland", was "Snapshots of a Diary" >I think a masterclass is hands wouldn't go amiss. Not sure about the fingers on this one, they are kinda like bananas....< LOL! I can't imagine joni didn't intend for these to look the way they do, knowing how particular she is about details & since she showed (with the other hand) that she could paint it pretty well... the banana fingers... my impression was that they were stiff & sore... like arthritis? Is the green ghoul hand in the other painting also her left hand? If so then I am convinced that this is intentional... maybe they just don't work well for her at 60 years old & that is why she is not playing or writing... joni has always written with an instrument...tuning into the sounds of the day... this left hand is the one when she was younger that couldn't play chords in standard tunings which is why she went into alternative tunings... anyway, without the ability to play, she would not have the ability to write the way she always has & painting would be lots easier (what do I know I don't paint but I'm guessing) Anyway, I think we have to consider this as a very strong possibility as to why she is not writing, recording & performing... and in her paintings she is telling us why ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 07:53:47 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Yucca Mountain, njc, political Gene> why do we need to have radioactive waste in the first place? it would take the "plates" hundreds of thousands of years to move enough to bury our waste. I agree & we could have solved this problem a long time ago, we've had the alternative technology for decades... continuing to use technology that is this toxic to the environment is suicidal... Lama >there's almost nothing living under Yucca mountain right now. >The tectonic plate will gradually swallow those concrete cylinders, > dispensing them closer to the molten core of our planet I understand that you are arguing a point based on what we can do with what we have created now... however I would disagree with you that nothing is living under Yucca mountain... I am not a geologist or any kind of scientist but I know that this earth is a living organisim through & through from the outside to the inside... reading your description of what someone has proposed... to let these cylinders will be swallowed into the core of our planet... to me that is chilling... the core is possibly the heart of this planet... a bad place to be putting toxic nuclear waste IMO... I don't have a solution as to what to do with it now other than to say STOP MAKING MORE OF THIS! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 10:41:58 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: The Cover of Dreamland Quite like that painting. So much infact I made a Winamp skin with it. It works with the newer Winamp 5 and I hope to be able to post it to the Shiny Toys section of JMDL.com in the not to distant future. Ken SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >_http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002MPQ50.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg_ >(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002MPQ50.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg) > >No ghoul hand this time 'round, just Joni with a corpse-like stare, >surrounded by flames (?) and offering up some flowers... > >Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 08:48:16 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Yucca Mountain, njc, political lama, "100,00 year solution"? there just ain't none. enjoy life while you can, life is short, and the handwriting is on the wall. later gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" To: "gene mock" Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 9:50 PM Subject: Re: Yucca Mountain, njc, political > Yeah, I agree we should make no more nuclear waste. That's a separate > discussion from "how do we store the stuff we already have?" It's been > sitting around for decades. We've been relatively lucky so far but we need > a 100,000 year solution. > > My middle name is Albert so I'm hip to the ol' boy. :) Here's more: > > "I do not consider myself the father of the release of atomic energy. My > part in it was quite indirect. I did not, in fact, forsee that it would be > released in my time. I believed only that it was theoretically posible. It > became practical through the accidental discovery of chain reaction, and > this was not something I could have predicted. It was discovered by Hahn in > Berlin, and he himself misinterpreted what he discovered. It was Lise > Meitner who provided the correct interpretation, and escaped from Germany to > place the information in the hands of Neil Bohr..." as told to Raymond > Swing and published in Atlantic Monthly, Boston, Mass, US in Nov 1945 & Nov > 1947. I have it in a collection of short essays called "Ideas And > Opinions". > > Lama > > > From: "gene mock" > > lama, why do we need to have radioactive waste in the first place? it > > would > > take the "plates" hundreds of thousands of years to move enough to bury > > our > > waste. as my buddy einstein once said," the release of atom power has > > changed everything, except our way of thinking....... the solution to > > this > > problem lies in the heart of mankind. if only i had know, i should have > > become a watchmaker." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:05:06 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Offer: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 1-10 of JM Covers Thanks to Ken, I have this set for anyone needing it. Doug np a very nice instrumental version of I Had A King on #7 (Joshua Redman) Eric's original post: In order to enable latecomers to the list or new traders have a chance of listening to Bob Muller's incredible compilation of covers of Joni's songs - some 1500 in all - this begins the launch of the Perpetual Joni Covers Trains. For those not familiar with trading trains, here is how they work. When the disks come to you, you make copies of as much of the contents as you want, and then you post back to this list offering to pass the disks along to the next person. You do not keep the originals -- you keep the copies you made for yourself. On most trains, the convention is that you make the copies and send the masters along within two days. For these trains, you must agree to turn them around within one week. Sometimes the offer goes unclaimed. Bob and I expect that to happen from time to time. So, by participating, you agree to just hang on to the disks and then make another offer a month or so later (or to respond if somebody posts a grovel looking for them). In theory, if everybody takes good care of the disks, wrapping them well, not letting them get scratched, etc. and passes them along, these covers will run on the tracks for years. Bob copied 50+ disks for me to launch this and I have copied them so there is a LOT of time sunk into offering these up. Nobody is going to monitor the progress of these trains so if you participate and then lose the disks or fail to reoffer them, you will have kept others from enjoying them. When you post an offer, please include these "rules". One final note, I know a few folks like to compress these into MP3s. If you want to, go ahead but please do not send MP3s to the next person - MP3s permanently delete some of the "data" and sound quality degrades so please pass the masters along. So, anybody who would like to receive volumes 1-10, please send me: 1. Your mailing address and 2. Your promise to reoffer, etc. If you want to know what is on the disks, please see this link: http://www.jmdl.com/covers/byvolume.cfm . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:44:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Dreamland cover --- david sapp wrote: > could it be - > > Don't interrupt the sorrow > Darn right > In flames our prophet witches > Be polite It could indeed. It seems like Joni's constistent. Her paintings, as her songs, have layers of meaning. (What does it mean to you?) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:54:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Dreamland", was "Snapshots of a Diary" --- Kate Bennett wrote: > >I think a masterclass is hands wouldn't go amiss. > Not sure about the > fingers on this one, they are kinda like > bananas....< > > LOL! I can't imagine joni didn't intend for these to > look the way they do, > knowing how particular she is about details & since > she showed (with the > other hand) that she could paint it pretty well... > the banana fingers... my > impression was that they were stiff & sore... like > arthritis? > > Is the green ghoul hand in the other painting also > her left hand? If so > then I am convinced that this is intentional... > maybe they just don't work > well for her at 60 years old & that is why she is > not playing or writing... > joni has always written with an instrument...tuning > into the sounds of the > day... this left hand is the one when she was > younger that couldn't play > chords in standard tunings which is why she went > into alternative tunings... > anyway, without the ability to play, she would not > have the ability to write > the way she always has & painting would be lots > easier (what do I know I > don't paint but I'm guessing) The painting on tBoS is a flopped version of the Gap ad, so her left hand becomes her right (and vice versa). So which one is the *real* ghoul hand? However, you're right about the left hand - that's why Joni started using the alt tunings, so she wouldn't have to mess about with the usual left-hand fingering in standard tuning (and yet... she can do barre chords! Admittedly, barre chords aren't so hard to do when you don't have to put any other fingers down.) She may be painting the left hand that way to show the pain. It might not be visible to someone just looking at her, but that may be the way it feels. I've some problems with carpal tunnel syndrome (esp. when I was pregnant with my first child), to the point where both hands, but one more than the other, would get so numb I couldn't pick anything up. Even though my hands looked normal, they felt the size of baseball gloves. It always reminded me of cartoons, where someone gets hit on the fingers with a hammer and, to show the pain, they show the hand getting really huge. Debrah Shea mentioned Frieda Kahlo. Joni may be painting her pain, but she's subtler than Frieda - way subtler. No arrows through her body or anything like that! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:40:39 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: "Dreamland", was "Snapshots of a Diary" Catherine McKay wrote: > > Debrah Shea mentioned Frieda Kahlo. Joni may be > painting her pain, but she's subtler than Frieda - way > subtler. No arrows through her body or anything like that! Oh, yes. Much subtler. And blonde! It was the iconic look of the self-portrait, the serious expression, the flowers as symbols and the waves of color behind that reminded me of Frida Kahlo's self-portraits. The primitive painting style also reminded me of Kahlo's work. Joni's version is light to Kahlo's darkness. If Joni's having physical difficulty, she might identify with the way painting nourished Kahlo through her years of physical pain. One of Kahlo's statements is something like, as long as I can keep painting, I'll keep living. Mia first mentioned that maybe Joni's clumsy renderings of her hands, including the one on the back of BSN that I can't look at, are giving a message about Joni's health. Now that I see this new painting, I think maybe so (and am agreeing with you and Kate, too). Hands are harder to paint than flowers because viewers have only an idea of flowerish-ness, compared to having a clearcut idea of what a hand is supposed to look like. But, a hand is no more difficult to paint than a face would be, so whether Joni is deliberately choosing to give a message about how her hand (especially the left one) is not working very well, or whether it's just something that comes out unconciously in the painting is one of those things art historians ponder. This painting is so chunky looking maybe her right hand isn't working very well either. It takes a lot of physical control to get paint exactly where you want it, and maybe she just can't do those subtle little movements any more. Maybe. Until Joni starts talking about it, only she really knows. However it came to be, I like this painting much more than the BS one, especially the primitive look of it. It feels like it has a life of its own, rather than being a (can't quite get it right) copy of something else. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Offer: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 1-10 of JM Covers Hi Doug, I would like to have it next, if no one else has yet spoken up. Thanks either way, to you and to Bob. Em - --- Doug wrote: > Thanks to Ken, I have this set for anyone needing it. > > Doug > > np a very nice instrumental version of I Had A King on #7 (Joshua > Redman) > > > > Eric's original post: > > In order to enable latecomers to the list or > new traders have a chance of listening to Bob Muller's incredible > compilation of covers of Joni's songs - some 1500 in all - this > begins the > launch of the Perpetual Joni Covers Trains. For those not familiar > with > trading trains, here is how they work. When the disks come to you, > you > make > copies of as much of the contents as you want, and then you post back > to > this list offering to pass the disks along to the next person. You > do not > keep the originals -- you keep the copies you made for yourself. On > most > trains, the convention is that you make the copies and send the > masters > along within two days. For these trains, you must agree to turn them > around > within one week. Sometimes the offer goes unclaimed. Bob and I > expect > that > to happen from time to time. So, by participating, you agree to just > hang > on to the disks and then make another offer a month or so later (or > to > respond if somebody posts a grovel looking for them). In theory, if > everybody takes good care of the disks, wrapping them well, not > letting > them > get scratched, etc. and passes them along, these covers will run on > the > tracks for years. Bob copied 50+ disks for me to launch this and I > have > copied them so there is a LOT of time sunk into offering these up. > Nobody > is going to monitor the progress of these trains so if you > participate and > then lose the disks or fail to reoffer them, you will have kept > others from > enjoying them. When you post an offer, please include these "rules". > One > final note, I know a few folks like to compress these into MP3s. If > you > want to, go ahead but please do not send MP3s to the next person - > MP3s > permanently delete some of the "data" and sound quality degrades so > please > pass the masters along. > > So, anybody who would like to receive volumes 1-10, please send me: > 1. Your mailing address and > 2. Your promise to reoffer, etc. > > If you want to know what is on the disks, please see this link: > > http://www.jmdl.com/covers/byvolume.cfm > > > > . > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:02:36 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Dreamland cover (What > does it mean to you?) St. Joni. Prophet witch or flower child? Discuss. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:08:56 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: Offer: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 1-10 of JM Covers Hi Em Send me your address. I can mail it out in a day or two. Doug Em wrote: >Hi Doug, I would like to have it next, if no one else has yet spoken >up. >Thanks either way, to you and to Bob. >Em > > >--- Doug wrote: > > > >>Thanks to Ken, I have this set for anyone needing it. >> >>Doug >> >>np a very nice instrumental version of I Had A King on #7 (Joshua >>Redman) >> >> >> >>Eric's original post: >> >>In order to enable latecomers to the list or >>new traders have a chance of listening to Bob Muller's incredible >>compilation of covers of Joni's songs - some 1500 in all - this >>begins the >>launch of the Perpetual Joni Covers Trains. For those not familiar >>with >>trading trains, here is how they work. When the disks come to you, >>you >>make >>copies of as much of the contents as you want, and then you post back >>to >>this list offering to pass the disks along to the next person. You >>do not >>keep the originals -- you keep the copies you made for yourself. On >>most >>trains, the convention is that you make the copies and send the >>masters >>along within two days. For these trains, you must agree to turn them >>around >>within one week. Sometimes the offer goes unclaimed. Bob and I >>expect >>that >>to happen from time to time. So, by participating, you agree to just >>hang >>on to the disks and then make another offer a month or so later (or >>to >>respond if somebody posts a grovel looking for them). In theory, if >>everybody takes good care of the disks, wrapping them well, not >>letting >>them >>get scratched, etc. and passes them along, these covers will run on >>the >>tracks for years. Bob copied 50+ disks for me to launch this and I >>have >>copied them so there is a LOT of time sunk into offering these up. >>Nobody >>is going to monitor the progress of these trains so if you >>participate and >>then lose the disks or fail to reoffer them, you will have kept >>others from >>enjoying them. When you post an offer, please include these "rules". >> One >>final note, I know a few folks like to compress these into MP3s. If >>you >>want to, go ahead but please do not send MP3s to the next person - >>MP3s >>permanently delete some of the "data" and sound quality degrades so >>please >>pass the masters along. >> >>So, anybody who would like to receive volumes 1-10, please send me: >>1. Your mailing address and >>2. Your promise to reoffer, etc. >> >>If you want to know what is on the disks, please see this link: >> >>http://www.jmdl.com/covers/byvolume.cfm >> >> >> >>. >> >> >> > > >===== >------- >"Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." >Tee > >. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:28:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Dreamland cover - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > (What > > does it mean to you?) > > St. Joni. Prophet witch or flower child? Discuss. All three things. And so much more. But I think she is wanting to stress that some innocence remains, as she so tenderly offers forth the flowers. Like a young girl as yet un-raped and uninjured by the industry, illness, dentists in the 80's, life in general, etc. It touches my heart. But then, she touches my heart *alot*. Also I like what Kate wrote about the implications of the "flawed" left hands. :) Em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:38:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc pc I don't think I was ever truly aware of just how powerful religion is in the US, compared to here in Canada, even though people here on the list have talked about it. It has always seemed like a foreign language to me, or possibly that people were exaggerating somewhat. After all, what does religion have to do with politics? But yesterday, in the Toronto Star, I read a very interesting article, that put it in better perspective for me, and I think it explains why, in many ways, there has always been something I just don't *get* about Americans. The article dealt with a public affairs conference that takes place every year. This year's theme was religion. One of the speakers was Richard Land, lobbyist for the Southern Baptist Convention. One of Mr Land's jobs is to see to it that the members of the Convention, over 16 million of them, vote in the upcoming US election. 'Americans ought to vote on their values, he says. Never mind the economy. No word on the war in Iraq. The number one issue voters must keep in mind when they vote in November is how the candidate stands on abortion, he said in an interview. '"The abortion issue ought to take precedence over economic self-interest. If you're pro-choice, you ought to vote Kerry, even though your taxes will go up. As for Land himself: "I vote for babies and against my pocket book every time."' Interesting article and food for thought if, like me, you don't get this stuff. Here's a link to the whole thing: http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1092262212697 ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:43:33 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: dreamland - golden aura I too love this painting. I saw it in 1990 when her exhib came to London (my goodness, 14 years ago). But about the Dreamland Cover... I think what disturbs me about this painting is the foreshortening (or lack of) in both hands. The hand that look like she offering the flowers (her right hand, the one on the left) looks like it's close to her body, whereas the larger hand is holding flowers vertically and yet her hand is pointing downwards like she's got it on her hip. (Her hips are also a little bizarrely painted - she must have made a correction to her hips to make her look more slender (wouldn't you?) but it gives her a kinda J-Lo's Ass effect because of the imbalance... But it only makes sense if the larger hand is also offering the flowers to the viewer, it would make the position of the flowers work and the hands size make much more sense. But the shadows contradict what she's doing. The larger hand should be much more 'in focus' for that to work. The light play is a little confused as well. With the flames behind her, we expect her to be in silhouette, or at least with more reflected light, rather than light that is in front and above her, as she is depicting... I hate criticising Joni's paintings because I love them so much (especially Pealing Sheep Like Tangerines, Arizona Highways series, Prego, The Mud Club, TI and Big Blue Moon There and Sweet Sucker Dance) because of they seem to have a unity, they stand up on their own. But this painting is disappointing. Yes, it's very reminiscent of naive or folk art but as a painter, she's not a naive or folk artist... She's a lot more sophisticated than that and she's much more accomplished as a painter than this. I think the clues here lie in the symbolism (the flowers - anyone know what they are? - the offering of flowers, the holding of the flowers to her heart, the flames). Hmmm lots ot discuss here.... Much Joni Jamie Zoob RELLIEA@aol.com wrote: I found the coffee table book of the Mendel art exhibit lackluster compared to her originals in the gallery so I do think Joni's art needs to be SEEN to really be appreciated. The Avalanche.....oh my god, what a painting! I - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:06:39 -0400 From: Gary Zack Subject: TBOS Detroit Free Press Review The Detroit Free Press Sunday, August 15, 2004 Joni Mitchell - The Beginning of Survival (Geffen/Chronicles) *** Though Mitchell is apparently retired as a songwriter, she's still looking to communicate with this 16-track compilation of previously recorded songs. Mitchell was never noted as a topical songwriter, but she made her share of political statements, and this collection of tracks from her 1980s-'90s residency on the Geffen label would seem to be her election-year cannonball across the cultural divide. It opens with 1991's "The Recurring Dream," an ironically organic response to "the gap between what we have now and what we wish we could have," and the quiet apocalyptic vision of "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" (adapted from a Yeats poem) and the angry "Dog Eat Dog," which has the rather moldy aroma of anti-Reaganism and Thomas Dolby synthesizers. All are poetic calls for moral realignment. Mitchell makes her points best with the parables, like "Passion Play (The Story of Jesus and Zachius...the Little Tax Collector)" and "The Windfall (Everything for Nothing)," both extracted from her last great record, "Night Ride Home." By Terry Lawson Free Press Staff Writer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 13:49:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: TBOS Detroit Free Press Review both extracted from her last great record, "Night Ride > Home." > > By Terry Lawson > Free Press Staff Writer I guess "TI" was not a great record??? what an ass.... Em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:01:03 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Rhino's role, njc really Last week Simon told me that Rhino hasn't been independent for a long time. It's the reissue arm of whatever we call Electra/Warner/Asylum these days. Columbia/Sony reissues are often on Legacy. WEA has Rhino. All the best, Lama > Randy Remote wrote: > > The record company owns the recordings or "masters". If a third > > party wants to release them, they would have to get a licence from > > Reprise or Geffen to do it. > > So this was Rhino's idea, right? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:01:47 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Dreamland" cover, jc It reminds me of Clouds too. What everyone else sees as "flames" I see as stylized flower petals. To me, it looks like a field of sunflowers exploded. If you can "see" flower petals, it's a cherry painting and the warm tones fit right in. She's painfully aware of her fingers. There's almost no utility in her hands in both the TBOS & D cover. Now that she can't write, they appear lifeless, fingers dripping uselessly from each wrist, like water balloons. I apologize for the amateur psych discourse. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:04:01 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Why Joni Can't Write, was "The Cover of Dreamland and Joni's writing" This is one of several posts which bounced yesterday. I accidently sent them from an account which is not s*bbed. JL - ------------------ Bob Murphy said, >Also, didn't I read something earlier today from Debra about Joni saying in the recent radio interview that she hasn't written since '97? What's up with that?> Her muse is discussed throughout Susan Lacy's film "WOHAM". It's in the first few pages of Karen O'Brien's book. Per K.O., during the Polio episode as a kid, she meditated on music and lyrics while she painted to _divert her mind from pain_. As Dar Williams said, "that's the key. that's the map." Joni herself said (in S.L.'s film) when she gave up Kelly / Kilauren _she was hurting and therefore, took up writing_. She talked about being burned out on Fame and retreated to BC. She talked about reading everything about psychology she could lay her hands on and threw them all against the wall. Unfortuanately, she found depression within the solace up there. _What came out of the pain was the album, "BLUE"_. She said something about demons carrying a gift. If you dispel the demons, "the angels (songs?) fly off too." A pearl starts with a grain of sand. Larry & JT said that Being Involved is very important to her muse. Now, Kelly / Kilauren has been resolved and she appears to no longer thirst for Involvement. Graham Nash talked about the duality in Laurel Canyon, "I want to be alone to create / Come closer to me." She's not pulled in two now. She's been integrated. Joni has become whole. She's not on the Hejira. She's settled down. It was a helluva road trip. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:04:49 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Best of Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong on Verve", njc Verve Records' producer Norman Granz put together 3 sessions with both Louis Armstrong and Ella Fitzgerald. I had a badly scratched copy of one of those sessions years ago and picked up the "best of" collection just today. Holy crow! I knew Ms. Fitzgerald was amazing but I forgot that Louie sang harmony to her melody! He may not have had a clear voice but he knew how to harmonize. I love this disc, "Best of Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong on Verve". These sessions are completely hiss-free (unless I can't hear tape hiss anymore...). Every syllable is clear as a bell allowing those shifting harmonies to shine fully. They both seem to have a ball and that kind of fun is infectious. I've read a few reviews of these sessions and the word "charming" came up more than once. It just makes me smile. All the best, Lama PS, It so good, I'd recommend getting all 3 separately or the collection of all of the tracks in one digi-pack. The 3rd disc was songs from "Porgy & Bess". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:07:21 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Patti Griffin in the NY Times, njc Yo, Patti Griffin fans. The New York Times had a big article (with a photo) entitled "After a Long Wait, Harvest of Success" in yesterday's online edition. JANE GROSS of the Times mentions Patti's writing credits for The Dixic Chicks, Bette Midler, and Emmylou Harris. Ms. Gross wisely referred to "Making Pies" into the article. (Hi Kate.) I think that unless you've signed up for free limited access to the NY Times you won't be able to read it today. It was available to everyone only on Saturday. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:33:45 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Best of Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong on Verve", njc Lama writes: << The 3rd disc was songs from "Porgy & Bess". >> One of my favorites. Maybe even a desert islander. I love everything about their "P & B," even the sorta sappy '50s arrangements. Lama also noted: << They both seem to have a ball and that kind of fun is infectious. >> God love Ella, but I see Louis as the one who brought that kind of infectious fun with him wherever he went. I loved him from the first time I ever saw him on the Ed Sullivan Show. The first day I ever spent in Paris was the day Louis died. "Louis est mort," the headlines said. I was 18 years old. I will always remember my amazement that this beautiful foreign city so openly felt my grief. All of this happened in the last century, when our arses were not hanging out of our trousers like some of those damned whippersnappers today. - --Smurf "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - --George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:49:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: hell's a hippy's way to go.... had always heard the line in "Blue" as "hell's a hippy's way to go", now today I read it says "hell's the hippest way to go". Anybody else hear it the other way too? Just wondering... :) Em ===== - - - - - - - "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds. " Bob Marley "Redemption Song" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:14:28 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: hell's a hippy's way to go.... njc Jing asks: << Anybody else hear it the other way too? >> Um, no. - --Smurf "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - --George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:28:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: hell's a hippy's way to go.... njc lol, guess it's just me... I guess the "real" way does make more sense... thx Smurf. ::shrug:: Jing, the disillusioned... np Hal Ketchum "Past the Point of Rescue" - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Jing asks: > > << Anybody else hear it the other way too? >> > > > Um, no. > > --Smurf > > > "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They > never stop > thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and > neither do we." > > --George W. Bush > ===== - - - - - - - "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds. " Bob Marley "Redemption Song" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:34:04 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: hell's a hippy's way to go.... Em wrote: > had always heard the line in "Blue" as "hell's a hippy's way to go", > now today I read it says "hell's the hippest way to go". > Anybody else hear it the other way too? Just wondering... Yes, I heard it that way, too, at first. Like why's she so down on hippies anyway? Oh.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:47:53 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: hell's a hippy's way to go.... njc << ::shrug:: Jing, the disillusioned... >> Don't worry, Jing. Ashara thought there was something about "in Clonapin" in "Blue." - --Smurf, reading lyrics since 1971 "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - --George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:53:18 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Why Joni Can't Write, was "The Cover of Dreamland and Joni's writing" "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > Bob Murphy said, > >Also, didn't I read something earlier today from Debra about Joni saying in > the recent radio interview that she hasn't written since '97? What's up with > that?> > Now, Kelly / Kilauren has been resolved and she appears to no longer thirst > for Involvement. Graham Nash talked about the duality in Laurel Canyon, "I > want to be alone to create / Come closer to me." She's not pulled in two now. > She's been integrated. Joni has become whole. She's not on the Hejira. > She's settled down. It was a helluva road trip. > > All the best, > Lama Yeah, you could be onto something here. Didn't I hear that she became estranged to Kilauren or something or did I just make that up? As far as going out and slaying the dragon, and the rigors and refuge of the road and taking on the slings and arrows of the judges in black and white, she may have released that part of her life. But I think as an artistic minded philosophical person, she will always be on the Hejira, flying the blue, blue skies, if more on the vast and subtle plains than the physical ones. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:53:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: hell's a hippy's way to go.... Hi Randy I guess I didn;t see it as her being down on hippies so much, but being weary of (possibly) her friends' near demises perhaps..at the hands of acid booze and ass, needles guns and grass, etc. Imparted (to me) a sort of "beat" feeling, which I liked. The way it actually *is* written, i.e. "hell's the hippest way to go"....makes me wonder where that notion came from. Was just listening to a song with the line "gotta be bad just to have a good time" (Hal Ketchum). Wondering if its that kind of thing. Why would hell be the hippest way to go? Maybe cuz that's where the handsome mean old daddies are at? Who knows...fun to think about..thanks for playing. Em - --- Randy Remote wrote: > Yes, I heard it that way, too, at first. Like why's she so down on > hippies anyway? Oh.... > > ===== - - - - - - - "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds. " Bob Marley "Redemption Song" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 17:00:00 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Rhino's role, njc really I didn't know that, but should have suspected. Ben and Jerry's is owned by General Foods or something...I guess it's a similar kind of marketing..... "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > Last week Simon told me that Rhino hasn't been independent for a long time. > It's the reissue arm of whatever we call Electra/Warner/Asylum these days. > > Columbia/Sony reissues are often on Legacy. WEA has Rhino. > > All the best, > Lama > > > Randy Remote wrote: > > > The record company owns the recordings or "masters". If a third > > > party wants to release them, they would have to get a licence from > > > Reprise or Geffen to do it. > > > > So this was Rhino's idea, right? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 17:03:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: hell's a hippy's way to go.... njc ah, thanks Smurf! I feel MUCH better now! :D Gonna have to go listen to Blue again...just Googled "Clonapin", lol, somehow I'd never heard of it before. Hi, Ashara, if you're out there! Jing - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Don't worry, Jing. Ashara thought there was something about "in > Clonapin" in > "Blue." > > --Smurf, reading lyrics since 1971 ===== - - - - - - - "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds. " Bob Marley "Redemption Song" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:12:30 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Why Joni Can't Write, was "The Cover of Dreamland and Joni's writing" Maybe she'll always be working as you say, but it looks like she's working exclusively the 2-dimensional "planes"... of the canvas. It never goes down on the strings and the page. The songwriting crop took a lot out of the soil and it may lie fallow for a while yet. Jim L'Hommedieu PS, How much longer can we work these metaphors before Les uns*bs us for annoying everyone? :) From: "Randy Remote" > Yeah, you could be onto something here. Didn't I hear that she became > estranged to Kilauren or something or did I just make that up? As far as > going out and slaying the dragon, and the rigors and refuge of the road > and taking on the slings and arrows of the judges in black and white, she > may have released that part of her life. But I think as an artistic minded > philosophical person, she will always be on the Hejira, flying the blue, > blue skies, if more on the vast and subtle plains than the physical ones. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:22:16 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The power of religion and differences between US and Canada - njc pc Catherine offered: > I don't think I was ever truly aware of just how > powerful religion is in the US, compared to here in > Canada, even though people here on the list have > talked about it. It has always seemed like a foreign > language to me, or possibly that people were > exaggerating somewhat. It's no exaggeration. Religion is everywhere in the U.S., and it continues to be the source of most of the political disagreements, be they about abortion, gay rights, or equality (gender, racial, etc.). Ironic to me is that the U.S. was founded on the freedom to practice one's religion -- and by extension, the freedom NOT to practice religion at all -- but Christianity is shoved down our throats at every turn, especially during times when the Republicans are in control of everything, and more so at this particular time than at any other time in my life. Have you read Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tale"? If you haven't, you should. If things continue the way they've been, if Bush is reelected, I can really foresee something similar to that story happening in the U.S. On a lighter note but still in the vein of religion being everywhere in the U.S., today is the Feast of the Assumption and my Salvadoran neighbors (who live in houses on both sides of mine) had BIG parties today, complete with cake. There was piqata breakage and loud music and lots of drink. It's a religious observance, but at least they're enjoying themselves! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:48:48 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: vacation Have a wonderful time on your vacation in the state of my birth. I wish I could be a fly on the wall esp. with Fred Simon in the room and a couple of pianos. Brings back wonderful vivid memories of Mr. Lahm at my piano in my living room and the family and friends all around.. Ahhh! Best Paz > We are going to Michigan Tuesday, will return Sept 8. > > Part of the vacation: two concerts in which our drummer will be Sarah Allen. > Her husband is Fred Simon. We're psyched! > > To everyone: be well and have a great 'fest. > > DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:49:39 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: "Best of Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong on Verve", njc Unfortunately I have ONE of those whippersnappers amongst my tribe as we speak. Paz > Lama writes: > > << The 3rd disc was songs from "Porgy & Bess". >> > > > One of my favorites. Maybe even a desert islander. I love everything about > their "P & B," even the sorta sappy '50s arrangements. > > Lama also noted: > > << They both seem to have a ball and that kind of fun is infectious. >> > > God love Ella, but I see Louis as the one who brought that kind of infectious > fun with him wherever he went. I loved him from the first time I ever saw him > on the Ed Sullivan Show. The first day I ever spent in Paris was the day > Louis died. "Louis est mort," the headlines said. I was 18 years old. I will > always remember my amazement that this beautiful foreign city so openly felt > my > grief. All of this happened in the last century, when our arses were not > hanging > out of our trousers like some of those damned whippersnappers today. > > --Smurf > > > "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop > thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do > we." > > --George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:51:23 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: hell's a hippy's way to go.... Lots of ass----lots of ass. - - Paz (at least that's what I heard at the time----laughs-smiles-snicker-snort-blush!!!) > Hi Randy > I guess I didn;t see it as her being down on hippies so much, but being > weary of (possibly) her friends' near demises perhaps..at the hands of > acid booze and ass, needles guns and grass, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:52:11 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hurricane Charley Glad to know you are ok as well as the rest of the Fla. Tribe. Be well Paz > We in Tampa Bay were VERY lucky. All night and day the track went literally > through my back yard. I am not at all exaggerating. My county is a > peninsula, and no doubt would have been an island. AND I lost 23 dollars > playing poker all day! > > Jerry, very happy Charley did not come by > > On 8/14/04 11:20 AM, "Michael Paz" wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:18:32 -0400 From: "janine sherman" Subject: Joni moment Clear DayHello all, Just returned from a lovely week in Bermuda. We took a late night glass = bottom boat cruise out of Hamilton one night. After viewing the coral = reef (illuminated- now that was a new twist), we came back past what the = locals call "Paradise Islands", a set of small undeveloped islands where = they spend weekends. The boat captain said that they had to come out to = them because Bermuda was suffering from overdevelopment like that Joni = Mitchell song about Paving Paradise. Of course, my family starts = groaning (quietly) and elbowing me on the dark ride back to town. I just = sat their with a big grin. Her message is always near. All the best,=20 Janine=20 unpacking and enjoying one last day before back to the grind. [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Clear Day Bkgrd.JPG] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 02:11:49 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 16 On August 16 the following articles were published: 1979: "Joni Mitchell Grows Up, Her Music Fills Out" - Cleveland Plain Dealer (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=843 1998: "Rock 'n Roll Legends in Garden Reprise" - Orange County Times Herald (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=237 2000: "Presidential praise for Lew" - Reuters/Variety (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=538 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #346 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)