From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #337 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, August 8 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 337 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni costume party [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Re: Joni costume party [Em ] mean old daddy njc [Em ] Re: Joni costume party [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Joni costume party ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Joni costume party [Em ] 1971: "Blue" - Rolling Stone [] DC and NYC terror alerts [(NJC) [] Re: Joni costume party [Catherine McKay ] Re: DC and NYC terror alerts [(NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: 1971: "Blue" - Rolling Stone [Catherine McKay ] Joni costume party ["Marianne Rizzo" ] re: The Beginning of Survival [david sapp ] Re: Joni costume party [Smurfycopy@aol.com] re: The Beginning of Survival [david sapp ] Re: Joni costume party ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: DC and NYC terror alerts [(NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni costume party [Em ] Re: Joni costume party [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni costume party [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Joni Mitchell Meetups [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Where the hell is Hell? njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Joni Mitchell Meetups [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Re: Joni Mitchell Meetups [Catherine McKay ] Re: 911 report NJC [Catherine McKay ] 300!!!!!!!!!!!(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Travelogue and Friends of Dog Eat Dog ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Subject: Joni, Bush and politics ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Today's Library Links: August 8 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 08:31:38 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Joni costume party I was thinking more 'Killer Kyle' but Joni's already done that one! So perhaps a Paisley and Drip-Dry King perhaps in a Lampshade crown but that's just mixing the songs up .... Or A Drycleaner with armfuls of Dinos and Pooh Bears and pink and blue lions and a crotch full of coin No, fuckit, I know what I'll come as... Dorothy Lamour! If you can't come as something glam, what's the point of dressing up?!?! Much Joni Jamie Zoob Em wrote: Has it been done? Think of all the phrases and images to pull costumes from! I call "white ass deer"! :P Em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 05:27:06 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni costume party Jamie writes: << No, fuckit, I know what I'll come as... Dorothy Lamour! >> Oh man, that is just so wrong! (Get it? Sarong?) - --Smurf, up too early . . . "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - --George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:27:01 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Joni costume party Ohh, you have to be up early to catch me! LOL! Joni will come as Art, we all know this... she being the only black man at the party. Much Joni Jamie Zoob np: TBOS Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: Jamie writes: << No, fuckit, I know what I'll come as... Dorothy Lamour! >> Oh man, that is just so wrong! (Get it? Sarong?) - --Smurf, up too early . . . "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - --George W. Bush - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 10:43:16 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: Joni, Bush and politics Catherine, thanks a lot for this. It gave me a clearer idea of what the interview was about. Thanks again. Raf. Catherine McKay wrote: Just a few notes on listening to the interview. This is very rough. If I have time and there's a need, I'll be happy to transcribe it (taking out 90% of the "You knows" but leaving in a few for flavour!) - - ----------------------------------------------------- Joni says it's a dangerous time for freedom in America. etc etc _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 08:19:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni costume party Morning Jamie, Art? Art is that sorta baldish guy with otherwise big curly hair that sings drop dead gorgeous harmony w/Paul? no? ;) Maybe Joni would come as Jackson Pollock and piss in the fireplace. hehh...I would give anything to see that.. Em I think you mean "Art" as Patti Smith's "Rock and Roll N__er"..or? - --- Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Ohh, you have to be up early to catch me! > > LOL! > > Joni will come as Art, we all know this... she being the only black > man at the party. > > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zoob > > np: TBOS > > > > Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Jamie writes: > > << No, fuckit, I know what I'll come as... > > Dorothy Lamour! >> > > > Oh man, that is just so wrong! (Get it? Sarong?) > > --Smurf, up too early . . . > > > "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They > never stop > thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and > neither do we." > > --George W. Bush > > > --------------------------------- > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 08:38:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: mean old daddy njc sooooo, I'm thinking Sam Elliot with a riding crop..... em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:38:48 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni costume party Jing writes: << Art? >> Hint to Jing: Check out your DJRD cover. Look at man on left. Voila! C'est Art. - --Smurf Nouveau "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - --George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 11:42:12 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Joni costume party I love this thread. . .. I'll be the river. . . you can skate away on me. XO Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 08:47:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni costume party acch, so.... had no clue "his" name was/is "Art". Thanks for filling me in! :) Jing - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Jing writes: > > << Art? >> > > > Hint to Jing: Check out your DJRD cover. Look at man on left. Voila! > C'est > Art. > > --Smurf Nouveau > > > "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They > never stop > thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and > neither do we." > > --George W. Bush > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:02:34 -0700 From: Subject: 1971: "Blue" - Rolling Stone >1971: "Blue" - Rolling Stone (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=252< blue has become just a classic & a standard... it is so interesting to read this review after all these years ... with both praise & condemnation ... brings home why joni became bitter early on about the music biz [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:02:49 -0700 From: Subject: DC and NYC terror alerts [(NJC) >I hate the terrorism but not the people. They are all misguided somewhere along the line, and they are brain washed with the twisted rhetoric of some badly ill-informed, power hungry lunatic.< Well said lucy.. & the above I might add applies equally to so called 'civilized' countries as well as those considered part of the 'axis of evil' ... those who take part in such activities are generally poor & disenfranchised... I hope this does not offend anyone who has ever served in our military but the majority who join up do so because it is the best option financially for them... as I watch the available new jobs in this country plummet into dismal, I can't help but think about where the for sure jobs are these days for our young people... in the military service... what kind of civilization are we when the best option for employment is risking your life in what many consider an unjust & immoral war? Imo, the bush administration will go down in history as one of the worst ever... (as an aside but related in part, I heard a little interview with someone-i-forget-now about how texas, under bush's leadership, manipulated the numbers in regard to education... they just took out all the kids who dropped out & failed when they did percentages... kind of sounds how they moved the fast food restaurant jobs into the manufacturing jobs column after so many jobs went overseas so it wouldn't look as bad) [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:11:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni costume party Ouch! Wouldn't that hurt? Marianne Rizzo wrote:I love this thread. . .. I'll be the river. . . you can skate away on me. XO Marianne Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: DC and NYC terror alerts [(NJC) The joys of statistics. I'm sure they do the same thing in the US as they do here. When it comes to statistics about people on unemployment insurance (which they've renamed "Employment insurance"), once a person's benefits have run out, they're not longer counted in the unemployment figures. Likewise people on welfare whose benefits are cut off for some reason, but usually not because they've found jobs. These people effectively disappear. It's like they don't exist. That way we can say we've only got x% of people on welfare or unemployment, whereas there are a lot more out there who don't have jobs or income, but who simply disappear from the radar. kate@katebennett.com wrote: I heard a little interview with someone-i-forget-now about how texas, under bush's leadership, manipulated the numbers in regard to education... they just took out all the kids who dropped out & failed when they did percentages... kind of sounds how they moved the fast food restaurant jobs into the manufacturing jobs column after so many jobs went overseas so it wouldn't look as bad) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:21:21 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni costume party Today I feel like a caterpillar in the sand ;~} zzzz... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:27:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 1971: "Blue" - Rolling Stone Critics. Don't you just love 'em? This part could have been written by my brother at the time (he is still my brother, but it could have been him - at that time - who wrote this): "The Last Time I Saw Richard' is a memoir of Joni's "dark cafe days," cluttered with insignificant detail and reminiscent of the least memorable autobiographical songs on Ladies. "River" is an extended mea culpa that reeks of self-pity ("I'm so hard to handle/I'm so selfish and so sad/ Now I've lost the best baby /that I ever had"). Joni's ponderous piano accompaniment verges on a parody of Laura Nyro, especially the melodramatic intro which is "Jingle Bells" in a minor key. My brother once said to me, because he knew I was a big Joni fan, and because he was looking for a way to cut me to the core: "Anyone with a purple crayon could write that stuff." Michael, if you're listening - I'M GONNA HAUNT YOU FOREVER! Your dear sistah... kate@katebennett.com wrote: >1971: "Blue" - Rolling Stone (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=252< blue has become just a classic & a standard... it is so interesting to read this review after all these years ... with both praise & condemnation ... brings home why joni became bitter early on about the music biz [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 12:33:45 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Joni costume party Me: >>I'll be the river. . . >>you can skate away on me. Catherine: >Ouch! Wouldn't that hurt? I'm thinking of it as a good back scratching. : -) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:35:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: david sapp Subject: re: The Beginning of Survival Get thee to the store, David - the sound on Geffen is fabulous and sounds the same on TBOS. Enjoy. peace, david ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 13:08:35 -0400 From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni costume party Jing Jibber-jabbers: << acch, so.... had no clue "his" name was/is "Art" >> Okay, Jing . . . now take a better look at Art. Does Art look like anyone you know? - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 11:34:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: david sapp Subject: re: The Beginning of Survival Get thee to the store, David - the sound on Geffen is fabulous and sounds the same on TBOS. Enjoy. peace, david ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:16:53 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni costume party Jamie Zubairi wrote: > No, fuckit, I know what I'll come as... > > Dorothy Lamour! > > If you can't come as something glam, what's the point of dressing > up?!?! > Hmmm....do you think if I did an auburn rinse, put some hopeful magnolias in my hair and accompanied it with a daring decolletage I could evoke shades of Scarlett conquering? After all, tomorrow is....another drag! Mark O'Hara Hamilton Kennedy Butler at Tara Northwest ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:16:55 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: DC and NYC terror alerts [(NJC) Yes, thanks catherine, this was the tie in the interviewer was making that I had forgotten. how the ones whose benefits ran out were no longer were counted. The joys of statistics. I'm sure they do the same thing in the US as they do here. When it comes to statistics about people on unemployment insurance (which they've renamed "Employment insurance"), once a person's benefits have run out, they're not longer counted in the unemployment figures. Likewise people on welfare whose benefits are cut off for some reason, but usually not because they've found jobs. These people effectively disappear. It's like they don't exist. That way we can say we've only got x% of people on welfare or unemployment, whereas there are a lot more out there who don't have jobs or income, but who simply disappear from the radar. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:08:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni costume party now njc --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > > Me: > >>I'll be the river. . . > >>you can skate away on me. > > > Catherine: > >Ouch! Wouldn't that hurt? > > > > I'm thinking of it as a good back scratching. > > : -) I was thinking of someone lying on her back while people skated over. Your way sounds less painful! I've marked this njc now because I doubt the grouchier members of the Joni-only list would appreciate it. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:42:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni costume party - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Okay, Jing . . . now take a better look at Art. Does Art look like > anyone you know? Looks like Ms. Joni Mitchell to me! ;) Jing ps: I *knew*.... lol..just didn't know the name was "Art" ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:41:50 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni costume party I'll be a pin cushion prick! It's down down down the dark ladder. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:46:37 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Joni costume party lol! No as in Art Nouveau, the character on the cover of DJRD! Joni pissing in fireplaces... the image is burned into my brain now forever, thanks! lol Much Joni Jamie Zoob Em wrote: Morning Jamie, Art? Art is that sorta baldish guy with otherwise big curly hair that sings drop dead gorgeous harmony w/Paul? no? ;) Maybe Joni would come as Jackson Pollock and piss in the fireplace. hehh...I would give anything to see that.. Em I think you mean "Art" as Patti Smith's "Rock and Roll N__er"..or? - --- Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Ohh, you have to be up early to catch me! > > LOL! > > Joni will come as Art, we all know this... she being the only black > man at the party. > > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zoob > > np: TBOS > > > > Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Jamie writes: > > << No, fuckit, I know what I'll come as... > > Dorothy Lamour! >> > > > Oh man, that is just so wrong! (Get it? Sarong?) > > --Smurf, up too early . . . > > > "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They > never stop > thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and > neither do we." > > --George W. Bush > > > --------------------------------- > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 23:55:33 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Joni costume party Yes, I can see it now, me with a fruitbowl on my beturbanned head with a tall drink with an umbrella in it, talking to you under layers of crinoline sipping on a mint julep. Do you think anyone coming into the party would think it's a Joni-Themed party? Probably not! They'll just think it's me with ANY excuse to put some stockings on! Much Joni Jamie Zoob Mark or Travis wrote: Jamie Zubairi wrote: > No, fuckit, I know what I'll come as... > > Dorothy Lamour! > > If you can't come as something glam, what's the point of dressing > up?!?! > Hmmm....do you think if I did an auburn rinse, put some hopeful magnolias in my hair and accompanied it with a daring decolletage I could evoke shades of Scarlett conquering? After all, tomorrow is....another drag! Mark O'Hara Hamilton Kennedy Butler at Tara Northwest - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 02:06:34 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: these last weeks... njc Hi, dears! I just want to say hello! and a big thanks to all of you! I've been on holidays the whole month of July, and then reading the digests... so many interesting things, so many posts caringly written by you... Bob said not so long ago that lurking and reading the JMDL was like watching a tv sitcom: yes I agree, and this list is one of the bests shows now, and it has the news, the POVs *I want* to hear. Reading your insights about Democrat's convention (Vince: you're the best: your post about Al Gore is a real treasure), getting to know that Linda Ronstadt's Alladdin incident, the story of the man who wrote Amazing Grace... some quitting and gaining stories from your lives... This List is Bread for the day, to me. Is wonderful to read from people new this year (with my heart divided between Patti and Em), and from any of you I miss so much when you're on vacation (or high working time)... btw, Welcome back, Jimmy! Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Damien Rice, Delicate ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:16:57 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Joni Mitchell Meetups Hi Has anyone heard of this bunch of lunatics? Apparently they organise meetings every so often to talk about Joni Mitchell?! I mean, how ridiculous is that? How is it we've never heard of these people. As far as I know they organised a Joni Meetup in London and 22 people came. I'm not sure if that many people came to the first UK JMDL Jonifest. The next one is on the 19th of August and I would go but it's my birthday (32... gettin' OLD... I will have known Joni half my life...) If anu UK listers are interested please let me know. I might check it out as it's meeting in central London so I can go along and still not be too late for my celebrations.... http://www.meetup.com/ http://www.meetup.com/search/?search=joni+mitchell Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:32:56 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: beginning of "The End"? njc I was in a mega electronics store called Best Buy today because I wanted to see the cover of BS. Every other time I've been in there, they've had at least 6 of Joni's CD titles. There was no marker for "JONI MITCHELL" in the Rock/Pop section. I thought maybe they moved her to Easy Listening but the first kid who looked her up in the computer for me a.) asked me her name 3 times because he had no idea (What's her name again? How do you spell Mitchell?) b.) said as far as he could tell they had zero titles by this Joni person. I didn't believe it so I thoroughly combed the "M" section. They had 3 copies of "hits" and that's it. Several dozen CDs by Steve Miller though. I have nothing against Mr. Miller. I have his hits. I have "Fly Like an Eagle". I love "Mercury Blues", but hey. C'mon! The second kid who looked her up on the computer said they had zero copies of "Beginning of Survival" in stock but their sister store (35 minutes away) had 3 copies. Yikes! I have to believe this is an anomoly, right? Or is it, as Jim Morrison observed, The End? Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:34:16 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Where the hell is Hell? njc I haven't seen Helen on here for a long time. What up? All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:42:25 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Meetups Well, perhaps I got that wrong... It seems that they only have 22 members WORLDWIDE that are interested in joni... How optimistic am I?!?!?!?! Thinking that there were untapped Joni Mitchell fans out there that we'd never heard of. Is Gordon Mackie a member of this list? I did however have this experience when last month a director I work for invited me to perform a cabaret act for the 10 year celebration of the setting up of his theatre company that specialises working with children and young adults with severe learning difficulties. Well, I played a selection of 'childhood themed' Joni songs so I started with 'Morning Morgantown, then 'Little Green' (I chickened out of Circle Game just cuz it's so long and I didn't want to take up much time) and You're So Square (the director had recently got married to his assistant and I was too scared to change the tuning live. So it was convenience and well as lucky thematic arc). Well, anyway, the experience that I was telling you about... I was tuning up for the start of the evening and played the opening chords of 'Marcie' when this middle aged gent piped up from a nearby table - 'That sounds like Joni Mitchell!' I smiled and said, 'It is - there will be more tonight!'. My long suffering Joni widower friend (thats a friend who has to put up with my Joni obssession) said - 'Oh my god, there are more of you!' and laughed. Much Joni Jamie Zoob Jamie Zubairi wrote: Hi Has anyone heard of this bunch of lunatics? Apparently they organise meetings every so often to talk about Joni Mitchell?! I mean, how ridiculous is that? How is it we've never heard of these people. As far as I know they organised a Joni Meetup in London and 22 people came. I'm not sure if that many people came to the first UK JMDL Jonifest. The next one is on the 19th of August and I would go but it's my birthday (32... gettin' OLD... I will have known Joni half my life...) - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:51:26 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Springsteen's op-ed in NY Times NJC Thanks for posting Springsteen's Opinion / Editorial piece, Deb. Although I scan the NY Time news overview by an email summary, I missed it. The tide has turned and, as usual, The Boss is on the case. Woody would be proud of you both. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 02:06:28 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: SOUNDS OF SUMMER - The Mississippi River Festival... and the boxset Simon says: [...] >> JONI MITCHELL Missippi River Festival Southern Illinois University Edwardsville, Il. July 7, 1969 [...] >> THIS is an Absolutely Stellar performance, A Must Have! I second that! This is my fave from Joni (along with 4 or 5 more: the Saturday Songs, MOA, Philly '76, S&L, Gene Autry Museum...) : her voice is much better than in the "Pink Dress Concert"... but in this we've got video and dulcimer too. I've talked a lot about this show: the absolutely wonderful medley of Marcie/Nathan LaFraneer followed by these Two Houses: Rainy Night House almost close to perfection (I think she never ended it, this capolavoro song) and even an unbelievable good Blue Boy! Telling us that she just wrote this waltz, Gene Autry style, For Free! And then Get Together: so far from Joni's elaborate (you know, multilayered and precise) way, and so delightful to hear and sing along! ... the rest is History, Too! When I've got this jewel (at the time I borrowed work's ADSL... I'm a nicer guy now) I asked Doug about what could be the real date... later John did a Vine with it (wich ended very fast, btw) stating date's uncertainess and now, thanks Simon! we know it! It's an amazing show! About the box sets or better still releasing officially the Bootlegs (like Dylan does)... I've gotten, through the generosity of so many of you, an impressive number of boots from Joni in this last year. I would run to the cd store for any show from Joni if it was officially released. Not only for some hidden treasure like that Carnegie Hall concert, but for the 2nd Fret Set, the Pink Dress, A Day in the Garden... (and I'd immediately stop making copies from them to friends): yes, *that's* what I've owe to Joni; that's what *I want to listen* but TBOS, being the same songs I've already have... maybe someday. NRH are TI are played heavily (very often) here (but CMIARS seldom does). Now waiting for the Refuge of the Roads dvd (ain't it going to include more songs than in the vhs?) Well, that's my 2 cents. Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Eva Cassidy: Woodstock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:11:00 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: 911 report NJC The 9/11 Commission's Final Report is at www.9-11commission.gov I was struck by this paragraph in the executive summary: "The enemy is not just 'terrorism.' It is the threat posed specifically by Islamist terrorism, by Bin Laden and others who draw on a long tradition of extreme intolerance within a minority strain of Islam that does not distinguish politics from religion, and distorts both." I wonder if anyone who wrote this reports sees the painful irony in this last portion & how easily it applies to our current administration: "extreme intolerance within a minority strain of Christianity that does not distinguish politics from religion, and distorts both." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:36:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Meetups There's one coming up in Toronto too. I just checked, went there and signed up and voted for the place to meet. And I'm the only one who has voted thus far. When they say 22 people (maybe it's 23 now), they mean WORLDWIDE. I suppose I could go and just talk to myself? Jamie Zubairi wrote: Hi Has anyone heard of this bunch of lunatics? Apparently they organise meetings every so often to talk about Joni Mitchell?! I mean, how ridiculous is that? How is it we've never heard of these people. As far as I know they organised a Joni Meetup in London and 22 people came. I'm not sure if that many people came to the first UK JMDL Jonifest. The next one is on the 19th of August and I would go but it's my birthday (32... gettin' OLD... I will have known Joni half my life...) If anu UK listers are interested please let me know. I might check it out as it's meeting in central London so I can go along and still not be too late for my celebrations.... http://www.meetup.com/ http://www.meetup.com/search/?search=joni+mitchell Much Joni Jamie Zoob Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:44:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 911 report NJC --- Kate Bennett wrote: > The 9/11 Commission's Final Report is at > www.9-11commission.gov > > > I was struck by this paragraph in the executive > summary: > > "The enemy is not just 'terrorism.' It is the > threat posed specifically by > Islamist terrorism, by Bin Laden and others who draw > on a long tradition of > extreme intolerance within a minority strain of > Islam that does not > distinguish politics from religion, and distorts > both." > > I wonder if anyone who wrote this reports sees the > painful irony in this > last portion & how easily it applies to our current > administration: "extreme > intolerance within a minority strain of Christianity > that does not > distinguish politics from religion, and distorts > both." Well, that's different, y'know, because God is on OUR side. (I hope your sarcasmeter was turned on.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:56:19 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: 300!!!!!!!!!!!(njc) Congratulations to Greg Maddux of the Chicago Cubs for getting his 300th win tonight, an accomplishment that may not happen again for a long, long time. He is the 22nd player to reach the 300 milestone in major league history. The final score was 8-4 against the San Francisco Giants. By the way, if anyone in Chicago could save me a copy of the coverage in the Chicago Tribune tomorrow, I would be most appreciative. Just let me know, otherwise I'll try to find one here. Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 23:06:52 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Travelogue and Friends of Dog Eat Dog Wes said, >1) Just finished listening to "Travelogue" for the first time.> > Two thumbs up.> Now me: Well, yeah. When I saw the "Both Sides Now" tour in 2000, I loved the big version of "Ludwig's Tune: Judgement of the Moon and Stars". As she did later song "Amelia", she chose a biographical sketch of an historical figure to "hang" a big theme on. In my mind "Judgement" is perfect for the "big" arrangement. While I think "Travelogue" has its ups and downs, I'm happy to have it for the studio version of "Judgement" alone. I think Aaron Copland is smiling down on Vince Mendoza. I think "Travelogue" could be subtitled "Joni Does It Vince's Way". She put more of a stamp on "Mingus" than on "Travelogue". That's okay because she almost always picks amazing collaborators. (Have you seen Brian Blade in the "Painting With Words and Music" DVD concert?) About Dog Eat Dog, you said in part, >Some of the standout tracks to me> >are Good Friends, Fiction, and Ethiopia.> Yeah again. DED was a long way from Ladies of the Canyon. It was a long way from Blue. It was a long way from C&S. Or Mingus. She was wildly creative in those days. As James Taylor observed, "She was building the canvas as well as putting paint on it." Many people can't track a moving target, artistically speaking, although the Beatles didn't seem to lose many people from "She Loves You" to "Her Majesty", if you see what I mean. In addition, when Dog Eat Dog was new, the sound on the LP was pretty darned bad. For an album with so much texture and detail to be hamstrung with gritty mastering is just a shame. It was hard to listen to. When listening to the store bought LP, I had no idea there was a great album under all that noise. Decades later we know the grit isn't in the master tapes! So, with the hindsight of more than 2 decades, it wasn't Joni's fault at all. Her DED was too richly textured for the poor quality transfer and / or pressing that Geffen Records did. This was the era when other wonderful albums like Ronstadt's "Heart Like A Wheel" sounded gritty too. LP technology didn't suddenly get worse- the major labels deliberately took shortcuts. Jazz LPs from ECM of the same era sound just as good as the old stuff from Verve. Anyway, I think the DED in the GEFFEN box is transformed from what it was on Release day, while the others are merely closer to the original LP. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu Lama np: board recording of "Sweet Judy Blue Eyes" by CSNY back in the day, on the radio. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:19:23 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Travelogue and Friends of Dog Eat Dog Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Yeah again. DED was a long way from Ladies of the Canyon. It was a > long way from Blue. It was a long way from C&S. Or Mingus. She was > wildly creative in those days. As James Taylor observed, "She was > building the canvas as well as putting paint on it." > > Many people can't track a moving target, artistically speaking, > although the Beatles didn't seem to lose many people from "She Loves > You" to "Her Majesty", if you see what I mean. > Sometimes I think Joni doing DED was kinda like Dylan going electric. Except I think most everybody's forgiven Bobby and accepted it. Whereas with Joni, a lot of people haven't. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:27:03 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni costume party Jamie Zubairi wrote: Yes, I can see it now, me with a fruitbowl on my beturbanned head with a tall drink with an umbrella in it, talking to you under layers of crinoline sipping on a mint julep. I don't think my nails are up to being painted 'Blood Red', though. (Jungle Red, maybe). I'll have to get some Press-on Nails or Fabulous Fakes. Do they still make those things? Maybe loud but not so proud as to eschew wearing fake fingernails, Marklett I'llscareya ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 00:26:11 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Joni, Bush and politics Wes asked, >2) Judging from some of her lyrics, I presume Ms. Mitchell is of the democratic persuasion. Has she ever been quoted on politics or spoken out in public for or against certain issues like the war in Iraq, Bush, etc.?> Now me: She speaks for herself so well I won't summarize or interpret. Instead I'll point you to the dozens of interviews she's done through the years. There are 7 on the official site, hosted by Jim Johanson. http://www.jonimitchell.com/jonihome.html#Word Scroll to the section called NEWSPAPER AND MAGAZINE ARTICLES. A huge collection has been put up on the JMDL site itself, the well organized and maintained work of Les Irvin. Both of these guys (as well as Simon Montgomery who collected the Appearances list on the official site) were in the credits for Susan Lacy's art film on Joni for PBS called "Joni Mitchell: Woman Of Heart and Mind". Anyway, in my mind the mother lode of interviews is at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/ Wes, if you'll excuse a Clinton reference, "it takes a village" to keep the flame alive and now you're part of it. All the best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 01:16:36 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Travelogue and Friends of Dog Eat Dog I see your point but she "went pop" for C&S and that baffled many. I have a show somewhere around here where a woman in the audience sounds like she's on the verge of tears and cries out "Joni! You've *changed*!" For me, _that_ was the one that was like Bob going electric and it's much earlier than DED. Then she "went light jazz" when she toured with Tom Scott and that baffled many again. By the time she "went fusion" with Jaco & Wayne on THOSL, Hejira, & DJRD no one seemed to get it at the time. When the Mingus tunes came along, it was much like Bob "going Christian". It was like throwing water on a cat even though some of us (and some at downbeat magazine) thought it was great. To me, fans abandoning her in the wake of DED was almost beside the point because so few were left in the pews by then. In this way, DED was part 4 of the exodus. BTW, At the BSN stop in 2000, I heard a few people in Detroit call out, "Where's the dulcimer?" - --- Getting back to the fusion-MINGUS transition for a minute. Would someone explain to me what was so wildly different about MINGUS? I mean there's challanging, great jazz influenced playing on THOSL and DJRD (and to a lesser extent, Hejira) so why was Mingus so shocking? Rock radio could play "Amelia" and "Coyote" but "Dry Cleaner" was verboten? It's a very uptempo song, especially the live verions on "Shadows and Light". Is it closer to hard bop than to radio rock? I never have understood why more rock fans haven't discovered jazz players like Thelonius Monk and Ornette Coleman. Those guys understand dissonance and insistent rhythmns too. Chicago was okay; Blood Sweat and Tears was okay but no black folks need apply, right? Rock is not raceless, genderless music but jazz seems much close to that ideal. I think Ornette Coleman is closer to "hard rock" than Chicago is. All the best, Lama np: the radio: the dj is trying to segue Frank Zappa's "Illinois Enema Bandit" into Yes's "And You and I". Mark or Travis wrote: > Sometimes I think Joni doing DED was kinda like Dylan going electric. Except I think most > everybody's forgiven Bobby and accepted it. Whereas with Joni, a lot of people haven't. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 01:51:03 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni, Bush and politics >Interviewer asks, What keeps you going? Joni thinks a bit, then says, >Innocence is renewable. "Northern Exposure" TV show was full of wonder and delight. I loved that show. I have all the episodes of it.> Whoa. That's too weird. I discovered Northern Exposure in the 2nd or 3rd season. When it was syndicated, I was taping six episodes per week (the new show once per week and the syndicated re-runs five times per week.) I was trying to tape every episode. I couldn't get enough of it. I wrote many times about the duality in the love/hate thing between Fleischman and O'Connell, the philosophical content, and the art film sense of connectedness. Near the end of the show we found out (on the JMDL) that Joni asked to be written into an episode but I never knew she has all of the episodes. Too weird. A few years ago I realized I believe in reincarnation but now I'm thinking Mike Timmins is onto something, entitling the new album "One Soul Now". Damn right. We're one soul right now, this instant. All the best, Lama PS, before she lists her family & her cats, upon reflection, she comes up the Northern Exposure. This is rich. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 02:03:30 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 8 On August 8 the following articles were published: 1971: "Joni Mitchell at a Crossroads" - New York Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=801 1979: "Joni Mitchell, Bee Gees Exceptional" - Tulsa Tribune (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=835 1991: "Marc Cohn discusses "The Same Situation" " - The Independent (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1116 2000: "Review of Dog Eat Dog" - JMDL (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=561 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #337 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)