From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #336 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, August 7 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 336 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni, Bush and politics [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Re: TBOS [Jerry Notaro ] Re: TBOS [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Re: TBOS - EL Cafe [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Re: Travelogue and Friends of Dog Eat Dog [Randy Remote ] Re: Covers 55 Contest - Joni's Menagerie -- now with njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.c] Re: HUNTER, Blue & the Mississippi River Festival [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Springsteen's op-ed in NY Times NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: HUNTER, Blue & the Mississippi River Festival ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: The Beginning of Survival [Randy Remote ] TBoS sales [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: Covers 55 Contest - Joni's Menagerie -- now with njc [Smurfycopy@aol.] Joni costume party [Em ] Re: Joni costume party [Bill Dollinger ] Re: Joni costume party [Em ] Re: Joni costume party [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni costume party [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Joni costume party [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni costume party [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Travelogue and Friends of Dog Eat Dog [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni costume party [Em ] Re: Travelogue and Friends of Dog Eat Dog ["Ron" ] sweet 16 artists ["Ron" ] Today's Library Links: August 7 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:31:50 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Joni, Bush and politics Listen to the Aug 3 Interview and her political leanings do come out as very pro John Kerry. But then he is a Joni Mitchell impersonator. ;) Much Joni Jamie Zoob --- KindTaper@aol.com wrote: > Now I learned my lesson from trying to express > political opinions on here, so > I won't go there anymore. All I'd like to know is: > > 1) In the "Travelogue" booklet, there is a painting > of GWB with an old woman > behind him and it looks like he's in hell or > surrounded by flames. Is this > what she was implying? Can anyone enlighten me? > > 2) Judging from some of her lyrics, I presume Ms. > Mitchell is of the > democratic persuasion. Has she ever been quoted on > politics or spoken out in public > for or against certain issues like the war in Iraq, > Bush, etc.? > > Thanks, > Wes > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:36:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni, Bush and politics Just a few notes on listening to the interview. This is very rough. If I have time and there's a need, I'll be happy to transcribe it (taking out 90% of the "You knows" but leaving in a few for flavour!) - ----------------------------------------------------- Joni says it's a dangerous time for freedom in America. Has a lot of sympathy for soldiers - members of her family were soldiers. Tells story of Killer Kyle, a regular soldier. During Vietnam, a lot of soldiers believed in, "Kill a commie For God" and were subjected to that kind of brainwashing. Then they came back from VietNam shattered. We have a generation raised on "Beavis and Butthead." They're raised on adrenalin which is used for entertainment - sitting there on a couch, watching horrible images of either terrible atrocity or superheroes. We've come to believe our own mythology. Our taste in art is evidence of our decadence. Why don't we start showing good people? Our appetites are sick. With satellite dishes, everyone around the world knows we're sick. Interviwer brings up Dem nat'l convention and asks, What do you think of John Kerry? Joni wonders, Are there any liberals left? It's a desperate race. Politics has got to pander, but I don't see that much conflict between (Kerry) saying we've got to get out and we've got to send in more troops. With G Bush, the laws of nature were against him. You just don't do this. Being against it and wanting to send in more men - I don't see the discrepancy. We shouldn't have gone in there. In the I Ching, a leader should ask, Am I sincere? If the answer is yes, do I have the will of all the people? If the answer is no, it is not your time. GWB went in for personal glory. It was totally inappropriate, and now we're in a mess. It's a cheap trick. We have to get Bush out. Is the other party any better? I don't know - I know Bush made a terrible mistake. Can he get us out? I don't think so, because he doesn't even recognize he made a mistake. When I write my memoirs, there will be little about showbusiness. Summer home in BC is in a rainforest. Between clearcutting and acid rain, it's in drought. The painting looks like it's autumn, but it isn't. The trees are diseased. Prez is in denial about global warming and damaging the environment. Giving carte blanche contracts that say, if you damage the ecology, there are no repercussions. Talks about a mountain in Utah that was being dug out, where the workers are getting silicosis and dying. They want to meet the man who did this to them - in the contract, they can't do this. Nuclear power waste is a bad idea - there's nowhere to put the waste. Wrote music for the Magdalene Laundries that was tuned in to the landscape. The melody is not sad. Then went to the supermarket and bought a newspaper. The front page story was about the Magdalene Laundries, where hundreds of graves were uncovered. I was an unmarried mother in the 60s. Back then, the institutions were full. It was a form of institutionalized contempt. I imagined myself incarcerated in that situation. Interviewer asks, What keeps you going? Joni thinks a bit, then says, Innocence is renewable. "Northern Exposure" TV show was full of wnder and delight. I loved that show. I have all the episodes of it. Three cats, a dog, delightful friends, painting (deep meditation, can do it for hours, forget to eat, sleep). I alternate between thinking human beings are just a stupid fungus that most resembles yeast, and a magnificent creature that's going to lift up, being out of the hell realm and from the hungry ghost realm(I want, I want), out of the animal realm where rapists come from (grunt - basic dumb animal urges), human longing, (blissy pleasure but not enlightened - can't stay there long) At this point, time was up so not much more! --- Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Listen to the Aug 3 Interview and her political > leanings do come out as very pro John Kerry. But > then > he is a Joni Mitchell impersonator. ;) > > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zoob > > > --- KindTaper@aol.com wrote: > > Now I learned my lesson from trying to express > > political opinions on here, so > > I won't go there anymore. All I'd like to know is: > > > > 1) In the "Travelogue" booklet, there is a > painting > > of GWB with an old woman > > behind him and it looks like he's in hell or > > surrounded by flames. Is this > > what she was implying? Can anyone enlighten me? > > > > 2) Judging from some of her lyrics, I presume Ms. > > Mitchell is of the > > democratic persuasion. Has she ever been quoted on > > politics or spoken out in public > > for or against certain issues like the war in > Iraq, > > Bush, etc.? > > > > Thanks, > > Wes > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW > Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:37:32 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: TBOS Because I got it at such a cut rate price, I did buy it. I have to say the packaging is quite impressive. It is a digipack, and extremely well thought out. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:06:09 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: TBOS Yes it is worth it for the packaging alone. I love the paintings. The style is a lot more mature than the BSN Collection. The paintings of the nature scenes are just more calm and serene than anything she's ever done. It must've been a conscientious decision to make the paintings optimistic and calm to counter the music I didn't realise that the CD itself was a medicine wheel until Joni mentioned it in the interview. Much Joni Jamie Zoob --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > Because I got it at such a cut rate price, I did buy > it. I have to say the > packaging is quite impressive. It is a digipack, and > extremely well thought > out. > > Jerry > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:14:37 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: TBOS - EL Cafe I keep on thinking I *hear* a roar but it's not, it's just my imagination embellishing after the fact... Maybe I need to go home tonight and play it to myself on some really big speakers. Maybe it's so low in the mix that you can't hear it anyway, but if it wasn't there you'd notice... I seem to remember the story she told in an interview so I listened to STB specifically for this sound but to no avail... Much Joni Jamie Zoob Enjoying the arc of TBOS --- Mark or Travis wrote: > So I've heard it again > > and again but I can find nothing that sounds > remotely like a cat, > > transposed or otherwise.All I can hear are the > street sounds, the > > sirens - atmosphere. In TBOS she finally credits > EL Cafe as 'The > > Voice of Doom' but for the life of me I can't hear > it... > > I listened for this as well and I didn't hear it > either. > > Mark E. in Seattle > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 10:45:44 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: RE: Joni's Cat?, HUNTER Simon wrote: <> Thanks, Simon! That does help! But now I'm wondering... what was the 2nd song that was deleted from Blue? Regarding the Missippi River Festival: <> Now that you let this 'cat' out of the bag.... who has this video, and how can I get my grubby little paws on it? Mia _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:42:42 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Travelogue and Friends of Dog Eat Dog KindTaper@aol.com wrote: > > If I can sneak one more thing in, I'd like to know if anyone on the list > knows if Joni will ever play live again. I doubt if anyone but Joni knows this. She told Timothy White in an interview for Billboard that she was retiring from music. While she has said this before, she has never kept her word about it as long as she has this time. Still, I suppose there is hope that when (if?) her box set is released, she will play live to support it. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:30:11 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: HUNTER, Blue & the Mississippi River Festival Mia writes ... > > Simon wrote: > << that it was the first of two songs deleted from BLUE > is understandable.>> > > Thanks, Simon! That does help! But now I'm wondering... > what was the 2nd song that was deleted from Blue? URGE FOR GOING here's the original Track List submitted by Joni. Side 1: 1. Carey 2. Little Green 3. A Case Of You 4. Hunter 5. Blue Side 2: 1. California 2. My Old Man 3. Urge For Going 4. This Flight Tonight 5. River for a number of reasons, the BLUE recording sessions did not proceed in the same timely manner as the previous 3 LP projects. new material was slow in coming. the above Track List had been 'Mastered', submitted to Reprise and Test Pressings (dated March 10, 1971) had been prepared for approval. at the last minute Joni recalled the Masters and substituted two new songs "All I Want" and "The Last Time I Saw Richard" in place of "Hunter" and "Urge For Going". the addition of these two new songs certainly made for a stronger and more cohesive album. "Little Green", written and first performed in 1967, was the only older song included on BLUE. "Urge For Going" was eventually released in 1972 as the 'B' side of the 45rpm Single release of "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio", and was later included on the HITS cd compilation. written in August of 1965, "Urge For Going" is one of Joni's earliest/oldest songs. this would be the last time Joni dipped into her back-catalog of older songs -- songs that preceded STAS. Mia also wrote > > Regarding the Mississippi River Festival: > < by NET-TV, as "The SOUNDS OF SUMMER" on August 3, '69.>> > > Now that you let this 'cat' out of the bag... who has this video, > and how can I get my grubby little paws on it? > > Mia this is not really 'New' information Mia. i was lucky enough to have seen the original broadcast. no copies of the program are currently circulating among collectors. sorry. andmoreagain, - -------------------- simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:39:46 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: Travelogue and Friends of Dog Eat Dog I really like DED and think it's one of Joni's best post Hejira albums. If I were to choose one to be cautious of... it'd have to be either CMIARS or BSN. What Joni was thinking of with CMIARS will never become apparent to me! And I sold my copy of BSN on eBay, all I'll miss is the art-work! Ok so that's enough Joni bitchin' coz' the good way outweighs the 'misunderstood'! ;) Back to DED...Yeah I didn't get it at first but after a few listens a long time after buying I did and I liked it, still do! A little dated yes, but not like some of the real naff 80's pop music (I won't mention names I'm sure you can think of a few). I actually think it's mostly sleek and dynamic rather than dated! I love the melodies too and she seems to pull a few different things off which she hasn't before. Also, does the demo of 'Good Friends' remind anyone else a little bit of Laura Nyro's piano playing? NP: The Phoenix - Judee Sill * * * * * * Stephen " The lower down you go to gain your momentum from, the higher up it'll propel ya' " - Judee Sill - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 5:36 AM Subject: Travelogue and Friends of Dog Eat Dog > Hey all, a couple of things: > > 1) Just finished listening to "Travelogue" for the first time. While I will > be sad if Joni never records again, I can honestly say that if that's the case, > she went out beautifully. The arrangements on these versions of her songs > reminds me of a gorgeous movie score or soundtrack, and it's almost like she's > telling her life through this set of music (I think that was the idea, anyway). > Two thumbs up. > > 2) Also, I read an article in Mojo once that "while Joni never made a "bad" > album, "Dog Eat Dog" should be approached with caution." I just got that album > over the weekend, and I must say, it's a beautiful thing. Obviously some of > the sounds are very dated (after all, it was the mid eighties). But I think some > of the melodies on that album are her best. Some of the standout tracks to me > are Good Friends, Fiction, and Ethiopia. I know there were more songs that I > enjoyed (the whole album is really good), but those come to mind. > > If I can sneak one more thing in, I'd like to know if anyone on the list > knows if Joni will ever play live again. I don't mean with a full band or tour or > anything like that, but even a one-off solo set like the Gene Autry Museum > show she did in 1995. That would be incredible to see. > > Have a nice weekend, > Wes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:35:53 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers 55 Contest - Joni's Menagerie -- now with njc I tried, but I guess I'm getting rusty. Here's the best I could come up with: Alligators -- "See Youse Later" Anaconda -- "That Song About the Pissway" Beagle -- "The Beagle that Lives in Larry" Bears -- "The Husky Homo Lullaby" Bees -- "Nice Little Stinger You Got There" Buffalo -- "Mozzarella Fella" Butterflies -- "Saltwalks" Caterpillar -- "Sweet Mustache, James" Chicken -- "I Feel Like Chicken Tonight" Clam -- "I See Food, I Eat It" Cow -- "The Judgemental Mama Waltz" Coyote -- "May I Pet Your Nice Dog?" Crane -- "Let's Sing a Ditty about the Company that Makes the Paper for American Dollars" Cricket -- "Take Me Out to the British Ball Game" Dolphins -- "Something Bad in My Tuna Tonight, Daddy" Donkey -- "What the Penis that Grew on Denis Is Like" Dove -- "The One-Quarter-Cleansing-Cream Blues" Dragonfly -- "Insect Kills" Elephants -- "I Even Hate the Republicans' Mascot" Falcon -- "A Salute to Gerard 'Manley' Hopkins" Fish -- "An Aquarium of You" Frogs -- "In France They Kiss on Main Street" Geese -- "Gimme a V" Goat -- "Smells Like Jan Wenner" Horse -- "What Smoking Does to a Voice" Jaguar -- "Theme from 'Catwoman'" Lobster -- "Pity the Poor Crushed Asians" Loon -- "Loon Liver" Mink -- "Furry" Peacock -- "The Alphacock Song" Pig -- "Good-bye, Porkpie Slut" Pigeon -- "A Pooper in the Park" Rat -- "G Is for Geffen" Rattlesnake -- "The Guatemalan Maid Shuffle" Raven -- "Nevermore" Reindeer -- "Hacky, Santa's Smokin' Reindeer" Salmon -- "Salmon, Salmon, Yummy, Yummy" Sandflies -- "Things to Kick Off" Seagull -- "What I Think of When I Think of Bernie Segal" Sharks -- "Scarey" Sheep -- "No Other Ewe" Shrew -- Working title for an early version of "Blue" Snails -- "It's Not Nice to Leave a Trail" Spider -- "Ode to a Murdered Skier" Swan -- "The Loneliest Number" Ticks -- "In Old Lyme, Connecticut" Tiger -- "The Hole-in-One Rag" Whale -- "You Know I Love You Anyway, Myrtle" Wolf -- "That's a Funny Name for a News Reporter, Pal" Also, I think I should point out that I know Joni mentions 'dragonfly' in two different songs, but I can only think of the one above. Please send my Covers Frisbee to a worthy charity, like myself. XO, - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:33:41 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers 55 Contest - Joni's Menagerie -- now with njc Bobi writes: > Dove -- "The One-Quarter-Cleansing-Cream Blues" > Dragonfly -- "Insect Kills" > LO frickin L !!!! All of them are great. This is why I came back. Muller, give him the frisby! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:42:14 -0700 From: David Marine Subject: The Beginning of Survival Hey List -- I did not hesitate to drop $13 on TBOS, and I'm glad I did. Mark wrote an eloquent essay on the CD a few days ago and I agree with his assessment. It is NOT easy to put together an album of previously released material that is held together thematically and still has an arc and a flow to it. Joni and her collaborator Mike Ragogna have done a masterful job. The album, simply put, works. For those unfamiliar with the songs, I imagine they will be impressed. For those, like us, who are very familiar with the songs, I imagine many will be surprised. The sequencing, packaging, and sound quality are all first-rate. I doubted that I would especially enjoy the album, but found myself hearing these songs in a fresh and immediate way. I've even warmed to some material about which my feelings had been, at best, ambivalent. I cannot see how this release would cause a dilution of her catalogue. Far from it, I find it a strong addition. Certainly, this compilation works as a separate work of art far better, IMO, than either Hits or Misses. And the paintings are gorgeous. I've always been partial to her landscape and nature paintings, and her visual art has never been more impressive than it is here. As a professional DJ I can tell you that a great deal of care, thought, and skill was put into the selection and sequence of songs on this CD, right down to the reflection of the repeated refrain "dreamer!" from the first song, "Tax Free" in the closing song, "Impossible Dreamer." Brava, Joni. For anyone who is unfamiliar with the political Joni of the 80s and 90s, this CD is a must-have. The songs remain relevant, and many seem prescient. Now, for a question. I hear a greatly improved sound quality in many of these songs. Can the same be said for the Geffen boxed set? I have been reading about it here for many weeks but an not clear if we've heard a definitive answer. Was the re-mastering technique used for TBOS the same as that used for the Geffen set? If so, I am off to the store. Best, David p.s. To those critical of the inclusion of the "Chief Seattle Letter," please note that it is credited as being "adapted" from several translations. Randy wrote: > With all due respect; > Although anyone can write a review of an album on Amazon, > they are mainly submitted by those who have actually bought > the album in question. > 1) 6 out of 10 being complementary doesn't seem like a home > run, considering that these people seemed to know ahead of > time that it was a compilation of previously issued material. > 1 1/2) unlike the jmdl, the Amazon reviews don't reflect the > views of those who decided not to buy it. Obvious, I guess, > but no small point if you are going to compare the reactions > of the two groups. > 2) most of the criticism of TBOS here on the jmdl were not > reviews of the album or the material on it, they were laments > about yet another reissue (and IMO a further dilution of one > of the strongest catalogs in popular music). > 3) If you are enjoying TBOS, more power to you! I hope it > does well. For me, I'll wait 'til it ends up in the cutout bin. > RR > ps The new Billboard weekly Top 200 albums chart came out > today. TBOS is not on it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:28:22 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers 55 Contest - Joni's Menagerie -- now with njc **Muller, give him the frisby! One frisbee - coming up! That was awesome, Smurf. More laughs than a Cal Thomas or Ann Coulter column! Send me your address and I'll fling it your way. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:31:25 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: HUNTER, Blue & the Mississippi River Festival Mia, there's some additional detail and a picture of the record labels at: _http://www.jonimitchell.com/AlternateBlue.html_ (http://www.jonimitchell.com/AlternateBlue.html) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:37:44 -0400 From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Springsteen's op-ed in NY Times NJC my computer died...the mother board, she's a gone. Rosie, still proud to live in the same state as Bruce Springsteen and share the same bottle of tequilla ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:50:04 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: HUNTER, Blue & the Mississippi River Festival I think the list removes attachments. Sure would like to see it. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of simon@icu.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 2:30 PM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: hvnphun16@hotmail.com Subject: HUNTER, Blue & the Mississippi River Festival Mia writes ... > > Simon wrote: > << that it was the first of two songs deleted from BLUE > is understandable.>> > > Thanks, Simon! That does help! But now I'm wondering... > what was the 2nd song that was deleted from Blue? URGE FOR GOING here's the original Track List submitted by Joni. Side 1: 1. Carey 2. Little Green 3. A Case Of You 4. Hunter 5. Blue Side 2: 1. California 2. My Old Man 3. Urge For Going 4. This Flight Tonight 5. River for a number of reasons, the BLUE recording sessions did not proceed in the same timely manner as the previous 3 LP projects. new material was slow in coming. the above Track List had been 'Mastered', submitted to Reprise and Test Pressings (dated March 10, 1971) had been prepared for approval. at the last minute Joni recalled the Masters and substituted two new songs "All I Want" and "The Last Time I Saw Richard" in place of "Hunter" and "Urge For Going". the addition of these two new songs certainly made for a stronger and more cohesive album. "Little Green", written and first performed in 1967, was the only older song included on BLUE. "Urge For Going" was eventually released in 1972 as the 'B' side of the 45rpm Single release of "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio", and was later included on the HITS cd compilation. written in August of 1965, "Urge For Going" is one of Joni's earliest/oldest songs. this would be the last time Joni dipped into her back-catalog of older songs -- songs that preceded STAS. Mia also wrote > > Regarding the Mississippi River Festival: > < by NET-TV, as "The SOUNDS OF SUMMER" on August 3, '69.>> > > Now that you let this 'cat' out of the bag... who has this video, > and how can I get my grubby little paws on it? > > Mia this is not really 'New' information Mia. i was lucky enough to have seen the original broadcast. no copies of the program are currently circulating among collectors. sorry. andmoreagain, - -------------------- simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:30:34 -0700 From: David Marine Subject: TBOS correction Hey List -- My recent comments on TBOS stand, but of course I meant to say that the opening song on the album is "The Reoccurring Dream," not "Tax Free." David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:53:24 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: The Beginning of Survival David Marine wrote: > Hey List -- > > The sequencing, packaging, and sound quality are all first-rate. Thanks for the review-it seems that everyone on the list that has bought TBOS has been happy with it. As to: > p.s. To those critical of the inclusion of the "Chief Seattle Letter," > please note that it is credited as being "adapted" from several > translations. I didn't know it said this; however, it is misleading at best, implying that there was a letter, which there was not. A more accurate credit might be that it was a reinterpretation and embellishment of a speech given by Chief Seattle (itself in question). RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:48:46 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: TBoS sales In a message dated 8/6/2004 12:06:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > ps The new Billboard weekly Top 200 albums chart came out > today. TBOS is not on it. Well, that's no surprise really. I wouldn't expect it to. If this collections sells any significant amount, it will be over a year or two....propelled perhaps by the upcoming Rhino collection, which, if marketed properly, could be Joni's biggest seller in decades. Bryan Who bought TBoS today even though I said I wouldn't....call me inconsistent. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 21:00:42 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers 55 Contest - Joni's Menagerie -- now with njc The Ghoul Hand writes: << One frisbee - coming up! That was awesome, Smurf. More laughs than a Cal Thomas or Ann Coulter column! Send me your address and I'll fling it your way. >> Terrific! You can send my copy to me at: 123 Main Street Anytown, USA 12345 Thanks! - --Smurf "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - --George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:12:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Joni costume party Has it been done? Think of all the phrases and images to pull costumes from! I call "white ass deer"! :P Em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 21:18:06 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: Joni costume party Sounds fun, and after all, halloween is approaching. I'm seeing a room full of Van Goghs and Amelias. Bill On Aug 6, 2004, at 9:12 PM, Em wrote: > Has it been done? Think of all the phrases and images to pull costumes > from! > I call "white ass deer"! > :P > Em > > ===== > ------- > "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." > Tee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:24:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni costume party - --- Em wrote: > and "ghoul hands"! Thats what made me think of it! > :) > Em > > --- Bill Dollinger wrote: > > > Sounds fun, and after all, halloween is approaching. > > I'm seeing a room full of Van Goghs and Amelias. > > > > Bill > > > > > > On Aug 6, 2004, at 9:12 PM, Em wrote: > > > > > Has it been done? Think of all the phrases and images to pull > > costumes > > > from! > > > I call "white ass deer"! > > > :P > > > Em > > > > > > ===== > > > ------- ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 22:22:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni costume party --- Em wrote: > Has it been done? Think of all the phrases and > images to pull costumes > from! > I call "white ass deer"! > :P > Em Tequila Anaconda! (I'll be in a pissy mood!) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:16:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Joni costume party So now I am asking myself ... being a Leo and all - do I go for the small cameo - and play the barmaid in fishnet stocking and a bow tie - DRINK UP NOW ITS GETTING ON TIME TO CLOSE! Or do I go for the meaty supporting role and take on Myrtle as she is portrayed in Let the Wind Carry Me ... or the lead which is closer to my own true heart and be the Trouble Child that I am - and break like the waves at Malibu? I don't know - I can't make up my mind - but suddenly I think I am in a movie rather than at a costume party and I want my Oscar!!!! Peace, Susan Em wrote: - --- Em wrote: > and "ghoul hands"! Thats what made me think of it! > :) > Em > > --- Bill Dollinger wrote: > > > Sounds fun, and after all, halloween is approaching. > > I'm seeing a room full of Van Goghs and Amelias. > > > > Bill > > > > > > On Aug 6, 2004, at 9:12 PM, Em wrote: > > > > > Has it been done? Think of all the phrases and images to pull > > costumes > > > from! > > > I call "white ass deer"! > > > :P > > > Em > > > > > > ===== > > > ------- ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 22:43:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni costume party Drama queen!!! Susan Guzzi wrote: So now I am asking myself ... being a Leo and all - do I go for the small cameo - and play the barmaid in fishnet stocking and a bow tie - DRINK UP NOW ITS GETTING ON TIME TO CLOSE! Or do I go for the meaty supporting role and take on Myrtle as she is portrayed in Let the Wind Carry Me ... or the lead which is closer to my own true heart and be the Trouble Child that I am - and break like the waves at Malibu? I don't know - I can't make up my mind - but suddenly I think I am in a movie rather than at a costume party and I want my Oscar!!!! Peace, Susan Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 22:39:58 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni costume party I call dibs on the "Dancin' Clown"...at least it'll give that track some redeeming value. Bob NP: Indigo Girls, "History Of Us" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 23:02:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Travelogue and Friends of Dog Eat Dog I prefer the Dog, as a whole, over Wild things run fast, which is probably treason to some. Admittedly WTRF has "Be cool" and "Moon at the window", which are my two favourites from that one. Although most people rave over "Chinese cafe", it doesn't do that much for me (but I certainly don't hate it.) On DED, I love "Impossible Dreamer" and "Lucky girl". When I first heard "Ethiopia", I thought it was Joni trying too hard to be political and meaningful. Years later, after not hearing it for quite a long time, it sounded better to me, although i wish Joni had done something better with that last vowel in "E-thi-o-pi-AAAA", which always sounds kind of jarring to me. KindTaper@aol.com wrote: 2) Also, I read an article in Mojo once that "while Joni never made a "bad" album, "Dog Eat Dog" should be approached with caution." I just got that album over the weekend, and I must say, it's a beautiful thing. Obviously some of the sounds are very dated (after all, it was the mid eighties). But I think some of the melodies on that album are her best. Some of the standout tracks to me are Good Friends, Fiction, and Ethiopia. I know there were more songs that I enjoyed (the whole album is really good), but those come to mind. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 23:11:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Covers 55 Contest - Joni's Menagerie -- now with njc OMG - Insanity rules, once again! The only thing I regret, when I'm reading and laffing at this stuff is, is the realization that trying to share this with anyone outside the Jonilist is just about pointless - what a waste of weird and whacky talent! Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: I tried, but I guess I'm getting rusty. Here's the best I could come up with: Crane -- "Let's Sing a Ditty about the Company that Makes the Paper for American Dollars" Geese -- "Gimme a V" Lobster -- "Pity the Poor Crushed Asians" Spider -- "Ode to a Murdered Skier" Swan -- "The Loneliest Number" Also, I think I should point out that I know Joni mentions 'dragonfly' in two different songs, but I can only think of the one above. Please send my Covers Frisbee to a worthy charity, like myself. XO, - --Smurf Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 22:17:51 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni costume party I will have a whack at my lesbian side and be "stone-cold Grace behind her fan. Best Paz Or then again I could just be me "in my frightened silence thinking I don't understand"! > Has it been done? Think of all the phrases and images to pull costumes > from! > I call "white ass deer"! > :P > Em > > ===== > ------- > "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." > Tee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:26:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni costume party well since Michael will be doing his lesbian side proud, perhaps I could allow myself a go at "mean old Daddy". I try, but I never really pull it off, they say. sigh ..sigh...sigh.... Em Perhaps in this--- Michael Paz wrote: > I will have a whack at my lesbian side and be "stone-cold Grace > behind her > fan. > > Best > > Paz > > Or then again I could just be me "in my frightened silence thinking I > don't > understand"! > > > Has it been done? Think of all the phrases and images to pull > costumes > > from! > > I call "white ass deer"! > > :P > > Em > > > > ===== > > ------- > > "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." > > Tee > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 07:22:27 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: Travelogue and Friends of Dog Eat Dog hi >>>>>wes wrote >>>> 2) Also, I read an article in Mojo once that "while Joni never made a "bad" album, "Dog Eat Dog" should be approached with caution." I just got that album over the weekend, and I must say, it's a beautiful thing. Obviously some of the sounds are very dated (after all, it was the mid eighties). But I think some of the melodies on that album are her best. Some of the standout tracks to me are Good Friends, Fiction, and Ethiopia. I know there were more songs that I enjoyed (the whole album is really good), but those come to mind.<<<<<< mmm - i think joni herself did the best review of this album - on the album itself nogal - "smoking - empty, try another" yeah - the album is smoking, but somehow empty too - try another - like shadows & light.......... actuall - ive been trying to listen to it again lately. the only track which i can enjoy is the abovmentioned smoking. it makes me wonder what would have happened if joni had gone really overboard & avant-garde & done an album like one of those way out german groups with the strange sounds & instruments. i start to get all excited at the possibilities & innovations she could bring to it - joni with absolute free rein over all sorts of weird & spooky sounds - then i realise it aint never gonna happen - how depressing. as for the rest of the album - i just cant get past those cheesy synth sounds, and in some places it sounds like shes trying to pull some corny pop diva vocals. uuuggggghhhhh!!!!! i hated that sound - the only album of that type i ever really got into was 2nd chapter of acts wonderful "singer - sower" those songs (ded) really should be rescued & redone. & now that i started writing - i really am surprised at myself - at how much i dislike the album. i feel so much so deep for her some of her other work, that i actually do feel really hurt & betrayed by ded. its like shes a lover that cheated on me........................... ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 07:51:00 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: sweet 16 artists hi i just got a mail from one of the (better) artists featured on bobs sweet 16 - now a member of the jmdl!!!!! you know who you are - please feel free to stand up & take a bow ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 02:29:35 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 7 On August 7 the following article was published: 1979: "Back Pages" - Circus Weekly (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=717 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #336 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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