From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #327 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, July 30 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 327 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: (TBOS) Why re-release the Geffen material? ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" <] Painting With Words And Music / Life Story ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: Joni's response [Catherine McKay ] Re: Yvette in English and Edith and the Kingpin ["Sherelle Smith" ] generosity! NJC ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Parsonage Lane reviewed in "Performer Mag"! njc ["Victor Johnson" ] Not smoking ...... A RANT so be warned......NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: Not smoking ...... A RANT so be warned......NJC [dsk ] Re: Not smoking ...... A RANT so be warned......NJC ["amelio747" ] Re: something happening here . . . njc PC [Lori Fye ] Re: Not smoking ...... A RANT so be warned......NJC ["Ron" ] Re: JMDL,the past two weeks: A response. ["Ron" ] Re: (TBOS) Why re-release the Geffen material? ["J. Gonzales" Subject: Re: (TBOS) Why re-release the Geffen material? I had a very old copy of "Dog Eat Dog". When I heard the GEFFEN version I was very surprised how much grunge had been removed. I hear grace notes all over the place which I never heard on my LP or CD. Maybe my copy of DED was inferior to your copy of DED. I respect your experience but mine was completly the opposite. I think it's a big improvement and much bigger than the slight improvement that's typical (like Floyd's "The Final Cut" for example.) Lama I apologize if I've missed some crucial information, but are the Geffen box CD's really remastered? A while ago, I compared the box set CD's to the original ones. Apart from a slight improvement in clarity on WFRI and possibly DED, and overall increase in volume, I really couldn't hear the typical improvements remastering usually produces. At best remastering reveals detail and depth you didn't even know was there, but as hard as I tried, I came to the conclusion that the box set CD's had simply been mastered _again_, not actually remastered. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:18:51 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Painting With Words And Music / Life Story Amazon.co.uk lists a DVD "Painting With Words And Music / Life Story" due for release September 6. They also say it a two features. <<'Painting With Words And Music' in which Joni Mitchell performs for a select audience on the Warner's Lot in L.A. Also 'Life Story'. >> Anybody knows what Life Story is? Raf. _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:00:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: stereo probs...need advise maybe?.. NJC Was wondering if any of you folks who know about stereos could point me in the right direction. I just don't feel I'm getting good sound with my home stereo. It just doesn't "draw me in". With my car stereo, everything sounds so good and lush and cushy. My car stereo has several speakers. I was listening to "Blue" on the way home yesterday and the strings were almost tickling my ears, thats how realistic and lovely it sounded. Just great. My stereo at home really sounds "dull" compared. Its in very small room, like 10 by 12, on about 18 inch high benches and then speaker stands on top of that. I added the speaker stands because I felt they made the sound a bit better. I have a pair of JBL L-40's which are like from the very early 80's and they seem to be in fine shape, but I just don't get a whole lot of "musicality" coming from them. Could they just be "tired"? I have a 100 watt x2 Onkyo power amp. You'd think that would be pretty clean, right? But the sound just is not inspirational at all. So whats the deal? I need new speakers? My listening room has no carpets or anything. You think that would help? I guess I've heard it said that a system only sounds as good as the speakers. So I guess its my speakers that are shite? Anybody care to recommend a pair I could buy new for about $600 or so, that would make Joni's (and other) music sound as good as it does in the car? Or what about hanging my current speakers from the ceiling? might that help? How about adding a subwoofer to my current speakers and maybe another smallish set of speakers positioned up high? Any ideas for me? I guess unless we want to have a stereo discussion on list, you could just answer me offlist. Either way is fine with me...but if anyone has some input for me, I would very much appreciate it. I'm kind of frustrated. Doesn't help there's a blasting air conditioner positioned right by my right ear. But even if I turn it off...its just, well, blah..... thx in advance, Em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:12:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's response --- Mark or Travis wrote: > You think I should write you new songs? Why? > Because Stevie did? Oh, come on! > Bravo, Mark! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:44:13 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Yvette in English and Edith and the Kingpin And she said...ohhhh...and...thank you my friend! Sherelle >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >To: sherellesmith@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Yvette in English and Edith and the Kingpin >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:26:08 EDT > >"Yvette in English was actually composed by David Crosby >and Edith and the Kingpin was composed by Pat Metheny. I am not sure if >this >is music only or words and music. Did anyone else know about this?" > >Well, you're partially correct about YIE, Sherelle. Joni and Croz co-wrote >it, with Joni writing the music and Crosby writing the words which were >then >altered by Joni. You may not know that Crosby also recorded the song on his >album >"Thousand Roads". > >Edith & The Kingpin (the song that you ROCK THE HOUSE with) is all Joni, >Pat >Metheny had nothing to do with it, except that he played it on Joni's '79 >tour >as part of that awesome band. > >Bob > >NP: Modest Mouse, "Dance Hall" _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:06:23 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Joni's response Bravissimo! - -----Original Message----- From: Mark or Travis [mailto:mark.travis@gte.net] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:01 PM To: JMDL Subject: Joni's response You think I should write you new songs? Why? Because Stevie did? Oh, come on! Because Stevie wrote new songs You think I cheat And you're hard done by 'Look, don't foist off 80s crap More old stuff That we won't buy Pimped like Geffen's whore Recycled in the stores' You want too much! You want too badly! You want Another 'For the Roses' Log on to my list You type Of my downslide Typing how I smoke I bitch You'd smack my backside The albums you don't like My cigarettes you'd spike You want too much! You want too badly! You want 'Court and Spark, The Sequel' In the cesspool I've been stuck in The music's a crap shoot 'Give us a megahit now!' The public cries I'm not gonna be the jukebox At your next big tribal meeting Not if transportation means I might have to fly Oh it's not like I can't read I saw But I made no comment As you began to type Ghoul-clawed Your verbal vomit It wasn't hard to guess That my artwork would be next You want too much! You want too badly! You want More 'Ladies of the Canyon' In the land they call 'Clear Channel' The DJs are sleeping Counting slutty little Britneys And minding the veeps Outside on every chart list My records are never peaking While my fans bitch about me There's no relief Oh I'm tangled in your jibes Your slams Your worldwide web Spit, spun between PCs With spam You want my head You'd eat me up alive For Hejira one more time You slag too much! You diss too badly! You want Joni black and 'Blue' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:27:05 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: generosity! NJC The other day my mail brought to me a lovely package from our own Zachary Scot Johnson (hi Zach!). Even though he cannot make it to Jonifest, he kindly sent along two of his cds "Moment of Clarity" for two lucky drawing winners. He said that it was Joni related because he covers A Case of You on it, but I think it has Joni connection because it comes from him, and he is a part of the JMDL. He did it to support this community that allows us to connect or, as Lucy put it so eloquently (hi Lucy...we'll miss you!) "What I love about this list is that it can get mean and bitchy, it can be obsequious, it can be boringly technical, it can get a bit political, it cares, it ignores, it does all the things it does not say on the can..... And all of it based around the amazing Canadian talent of Joni Mitchell." Thanks, Zach, for showing the way. If YOU can think of something to send our way to inspire Fest attendees to enter to win...please do! Best, Maggie NP: June Tabor - The Jute Mill Song (from Hard Cash) PS I cannot send this along to the Fest list (it's on another computer)...could someone kindly forward? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:42:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > > McKay would take the seats out of the car to come up > with loose change > to get it. Don't forget the pockets of all coats, jackets and pants, especially those I haven't worn for a while and so might have missed something; under the cushions of all sofas and chairs; on the floor of my son's sty, um room; under the bed or the dining room table (where pennies can usually be found because my son has the habit of throwing them at people just for fun and the cats then smack them around and no one ever bothers to pick them up); the top drawer of my desk at work; and various other places people who are often desperate for cash just before payday when we're all out of milk are known to go... I would buy official releases of any of the stuff I've already got copies of from people on the list, in the hope that the sound quality might be better (not that I would know good quality if it bit me on the arse which, being quality, it would not), and, yeah, for the artwork too, and to support Joni (shucks). But I still haven't bought the Geffen box set because it's way too expensive up here, but probably will if I can get a used one in good condition for a reasonable price (no hurry), but won't buy BS in any of its forms because I already have that stuff. Seeing it advertised on amazon.ca, they do say "Best of" in brackets after it (whereas the US amazon.com does not). If you were a person who had just become interested in Joni's music and wanted a sampler of her work, then maybe you would buy BS. Maybe from there you would go on to buy her full albums. I don't know how people buy music, but I usually prefer the *real* albums (as they were released) over greatest hits and compilations, unless it's an artist that only had a few songs that I liked and those songs just happened to be on the greatest hits album (although often, I find, they don't and they stretch the meaning of "greatest hits" a lot, when some of these artists probably never had *any* hits, let alone an album's worth of "greatest" ones... but I digress. Maybe Joni has decided to re-release her stuff based on themes (only time and the release of whatever the September one ends up being will tell if that's the direction she's headed in.) That may work, or it may not, in selling to a new audience. Anyone else could probably just create their own mix of things they like with today's technology. Maybe I'm too set in my ways, but I find most of Joni's albums work together as a whole in any case, telling a story of sorts, and I can't imagine leaving any of the songs off (although arguments could be made for "Empty, try another" and "Dancin' clown", I suppose.) Anyway, more power to her. She's still the greatest, imo. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:55:47 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Parsonage Lane reviewed in "Performer Mag"! njc > Wayda go, Vittorio! Do these people tell you they're > going to review your stuff, or do you just find these > reviews on your own? Just curious... I just found this on my own. I think often that is the case though definately not always. Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:58:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Parsonage Lane reviewed in "Performer Mag"! njc --- Victor Johnson wrote: > > > > Wayda go, Vittorio! Do these people tell you > they're > > going to review your stuff, or do you just find > these > > reviews on your own? Just curious... > > > I just found this on my own. I think often that is > the case though > definately not always. > That's even better, IMO. These people don't know you, have no bias one way or another, and they give you a great review, which suggests some people out there ARE listening, and they're not listening just to Top 40 stuff - so maybe there's hope (and of course, finding out about it is kind of like getting a present you didn't know anyone was going to give you.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:59:20 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Y'all thought I was joking about that GHOUL hand??? Bob "Ghoul Hand Luke" Muller writes: << Well, look who's the STAR of THIS DVD!!! Called "Evil...Comes Alive": >> Could this be one of the many other Joni Mitchells who roam the earth? What's the story with this? Did you ask the seller? Is Myrtle behind this? Why does this seem so important when the world is going straight to hell? --Smurf in Boston, which is just beginning to recover from the futuristic Wim Wenders post-democracy police state of DNC week "I was getting my makeup done, and it just hit me: I love Nick, but I need time alone. I called my psychic, and I asked her opinion. . . I went straight to the Kabbalah Center and got a new bracelet." --Paris Hilton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:56:44 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Joni's response - njc > Oh it's not like I can't read > I saw > But I made no comment > As you began to type > Ghoul-clawed > Your verbal vomit > It wasn't hard to guess > That my artwork would be next > You want too much! > You want too badly! > You want > More 'Ladies of the Canyon' OM-fecking-gawd!!! Mark!!! I'm cracking up here at work!!!!!!!!! : D Love it. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:21:27 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Not smoking ...... A RANT so be warned......NJC January 14th 2004 was the start of my final attempt to quit smoking. It was not my first attempt. I have given up for long periods of time when I was pregnant and afterwards but this time I gave up for my own reasons........Here we are 7 months down the line and I am still not smoking, and am still committed to never smoke again. HOWEVER.......I do not seem to be getting any sort of sense of smell back, except that my dog smells awful..... neither have I gained any fabulous sense of taste (I have always dressed this badly ...boom boom tssss). My blood pressure has shot through the skylight and I am now on blood pressure meds to keep it down and I have piled on a pretty impressive 2 stone (28lb..or 14 -ish KG) I have ached in every bone in my body since giving up and suffered from a completely blocked nose on and off.....And I seriously have NOT stuffed myself with food in compensation.. truly not.... I seem to have had such a severe reaction to giving up. Some of the aches have now gone, so maybe my body has adjusted... but i have been sorely tested....(OOOOOOOOOH yesssssss... can I hear you say oooooooooooooo yessssssss) Please do not give me advice on excercise, I have always walked about 6 miles a day with my dog ... There is only so much I can fit in.... Giving up smoking sucks..... I really enjoyed my smoking and was normally pretty good about not smoking over other people who did not smoke....... I miss it from time to time (rarely actually now) and I am going to remain a non smoker simply for the fact that 20 a day was costing me the best part of #150 a month. that is about $220 US a month or $375 CDN a month.. A lot of money. I also have children whom I love deeply and they hated me smoking. They are under pressure from peer groups to smoke and I have told them that if they ever smoke I will take it up again big time!!! They assure me that they will not smoke as it is something they hate. I have my doubts about that but we shall see. I do not hate smokers, I still consider myself a smoker who is choosing not to smoke. One day I will be a non-smoker. I could never be the pale eyed zealot expounding the evils of the weed as I was (as those of you who know me from Fest) a very keen smoker. I wish with all my heart (well a little bit of it) that I could smoke a few cigs on a Friday and Saturday night. just a few... but I know I cannot do that. One would be the start of 140 a week, 7280 a year in the 22 years I smoked out of the 28 since I started that is 160,160. And then there are times when I know I have smoked 40 a day, or given them to friends who seem to smoke other peoples more than they buy their own to share out, so lets add another 5% = 168168... dont go away yet... I am not a mathematician at all but I know that if I work out the proportion of my take home pay that smoking has cost me over the years I am going to come to a figure that is totally frightening. If I look at a minimum of 20 a day on todays prices that is #1,697.25 it works out at about 16% of my take home pay... THAT is why I have given up .. That is the reason... you can shake all the pointy sticks and frightening videos at me, tell me my breath stinks, that it will make my skin go like a kipper.... I cannot afford it........ and I also hate paying more tax than i have to.... If the proportion has been the same over the years I have smoked and worked then I have bonfired around about #35,000. NOW WHAT SORT OF HOLIDAYS COULD I HAVE HAD HAD I put away that money!!!!! OH now that makes sense to me!!!!!! If I was offered #35.000 to burn would I? I dont think so... Just do that maths.. all the other nebulous things of health may or may not be an issue to you when you factor in genetic propensities to cancer, diet, social status etc........... forget the scary stuff.... Just go for the maths. If, like me you dont earn a fortune but are stuck with needing cigs (cannot call them fags here!!!!) do the maths.. you are burning your money...... If you dont smoke then you cant save anything and feel smug about it so we ex-smokers at least have something to sing about!!!!! I know that years from now I will still miss the lighting up, the feeling of thoughtfulness that smoking seemed to allow, but I seem to be able to get that from just copying the breathing so I feel I am pretty much OK and safe for now........ Well done Smurf.....well done all of us Smokeless Queen Lulu (makes me sound like a harmonica player!!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:36:06 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) from jonathabrooke.com Just a reminder of upcoming Jonatha performances... August 6, 2004 - Woodstock, NY - Bearsville Theater - - triple bill with Melissa Ferrick and Nellie McKay. - - presented by WDST. August 7, 2004 - Amagansett, NY - Stephen Talkhouse August 8, 2004 - Bethlehem, PA - Moravian College/Foy Hall August 12, 2004 - Martha's Vineyard, MA - Hot Tin Roof (solo) August 17, 2004 - New York, NY - Delacorte Theater in Central Park - - double bill with Suzanne Vega. Special guest Teitur. - - presented by Joe's Pub in the Park. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:07:48 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Not smoking ...... A RANT so be warned......NJC As always, Lucy, you speak the truth and are funny at the same time. Just keep going. Figuring the cost per day, per month, per year, was one of the things that helped me quit too. And the physical discomfort really sucks! It's a major change for the cells of anyone's body to start working without those stimulating chemicals coming in. For now, just keep going. And keep ranting if that helps! Well done, yes! Battle on. Debra Shea Lucy Hone wrote: > > January 14th 2004 was the start of my final attempt to quit smoking. > .... I seem to have had such a severe > reaction to giving up. Some of the aches have now gone, so maybe my body has > adjusted... but i have been sorely tested....(OOOOOOOOOH yesssssss... can I > hear you say oooooooooooooo yessssssss) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:13:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Not smoking ...... A RANT so be warned......NJC --- Lucy Hone wrote: > I know that years from now I will still miss the > lighting up, the feeling of > thoughtfulness that smoking seemed to allow, but I > seem to be able to get that > from just copying the breathing so I feel I am > pretty much OK and safe for > now........ I quit 20 years ago but I still wish I could just smoke ONE a day, for that very feeling of lighting up and thoughtfulness that you mention. I doubt if I *COULD* actually do that now without feeling sick, but I miss that particular feeling. But they still sell those candy Popeye ones, don't they? Ironically, I've had bronchitis more often since I quit smoking but then again, I'm allergic to just about anything that floats in the air in any case, so I guess that's what does it, more than the smoke. I'm teddibly proud of you dahling. There may be other things causing all the other problems you mention that *just happen* to have coincided with your quitting, but don't beat yourself up over it and, of course, don't start smoking again. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:16:11 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: Subway Freedom I was round a friends house the other night and he put on a dancey album by a band called 'Caia'. I wasnt crazy about the tunes but suddenly this haunting vocal drifted out singing 'freedom scribbled in a subway'... it was lovely. The track repeated this line a few times and was a joy - this might have had more to do with the poteen i was drinking at the time but hey.... Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 19:30:25 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: Not smoking ...... A RANT so be warned......NJC Hey Lucy hang in there. I've quit smoking now for 13 months and am so glad I did! This in fact is the 2nd time I've quit for a long period; I had quit for 10 months a couple of years before... so I was quite wary this time, but now I've reached the one year mark I'm pretty sure I wont start again. I made the stupid mistake last time of "oh just this time will be ok". No it wont Mr! However quitting smoking got me hooked on refined sugar foods such as CHOCOLATE, and I now got to deal with that so I think it's important to find a new habit early on which is as healthy and good as possible! Oh yeah I got my stronger sense of smell and taste back after about 3 months I think... It may take longer for you though coz' I'm guessing you are older (no offence) than me and have smoked longer. I smoked for 6 years which was bad enough. GOOD LUCK AND I HOPE YOU KEEP AT IT. NP: Father Lucifer - Tori Amos * * * * * * Stephen " The lower down you go to gain your momentum from, the higher up it'll propel ya' " - Judee Sill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lucy Hone" To: Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: Not smoking ...... A RANT so be warned......NJC > January 14th 2004 was the start of my final attempt to quit smoking. It was > not my first attempt. I have given up for long periods of time when I was > pregnant and afterwards but this time I gave up for my own reasons........Here > we are 7 months down the line and I am still not smoking, and am still > committed to never smoke again. > > HOWEVER.......I do not seem to be getting any sort of sense of smell back, > except that my dog smells awful..... neither have I gained any fabulous sense > of taste (I have always dressed this badly ...boom boom tssss). My blood > pressure has shot through the skylight and I am now on blood pressure meds to > keep it down and I have piled on a pretty impressive 2 stone (28lb..or 14 -ish > KG) I have ached in every bone in my body since giving up and suffered from a > completely blocked nose on and off.....And I seriously have NOT stuffed myself > with food in compensation.. truly not.... I seem to have had such a severe > reaction to giving up. Some of the aches have now gone, so maybe my body has > adjusted... but i have been sorely tested....(OOOOOOOOOH yesssssss... can I > hear you say oooooooooooooo yessssssss) > > Please do not give me advice on excercise, I have always walked about 6 miles > a day with my dog ... There is only so much I can fit in.... > > Giving up smoking sucks..... I really enjoyed my smoking and was normally > pretty good about not smoking over other people who did not smoke....... I > miss it from time to time (rarely actually now) and I am going to remain a non > smoker simply for the fact that 20 a day was costing me the best part of #150 > a month. that is about $220 US a month or $375 CDN a month.. A lot of money. > > I also have children whom I love deeply and they hated me smoking. They are > under pressure from peer groups to smoke and I have told them that if they > ever smoke I will take it up again big time!!! They assure me that they will > not smoke as it is something they hate. I have my doubts about that but we > shall see. > > I do not hate smokers, I still consider myself a smoker who is choosing not to > smoke. One day I will be a non-smoker. I could never be the pale eyed zealot > expounding the evils of the weed as I was (as those of you who know me from > Fest) a very keen smoker. I wish with all my heart (well a little bit of it) > that I could smoke a few cigs on a Friday and Saturday night. just a few... > but I know I cannot do that. > > One would be the start of 140 a week, 7280 a year in the 22 years I smoked out > of the 28 since I started that is 160,160. And then there are times when I > know I have smoked 40 a day, or given them to friends who seem to smoke other > peoples more than they buy their own to share out, so lets add another 5% = > 168168... dont go away yet... > > I am not a mathematician at all but I know that if I work out the proportion > of my take home pay that smoking has cost me over the years I am going to come > to a figure that is totally frightening. > > If I look at a minimum of 20 a day on todays prices that is #1,697.25 it works > out at about 16% of my take home pay... THAT is why I have given up .. That is > the reason... you can shake all the pointy sticks and frightening videos at > me, tell me my breath stinks, that it will make my skin go like a kipper.... I > cannot afford it........ and I also hate paying more tax than i have to.... If > the proportion has been the same over the years I have smoked and worked then > I have bonfired around about #35,000. NOW WHAT SORT OF HOLIDAYS COULD I HAVE > HAD HAD I put away that money!!!!! > > OH now that makes sense to me!!!!!! If I was offered #35.000 to burn would I? > I dont think so... > > Just do that maths.. all the other nebulous things of health may or may not be > an issue to you when you factor in genetic propensities to cancer, diet, > social status etc........... forget the scary stuff.... Just go for the maths. > If, like me you dont earn a fortune but are stuck with needing cigs (cannot > call them fags here!!!!) do the maths.. you are burning your money...... If > you dont smoke then you cant save anything and feel smug about it so we > ex-smokers at least have something to sing about!!!!! > > I know that years from now I will still miss the lighting up, the feeling of > thoughtfulness that smoking seemed to allow, but I seem to be able to get that > from just copying the breathing so I feel I am pretty much OK and safe for > now........ > > Well done Smurf.....well done all of us > > Smokeless Queen Lulu (makes me sound like a harmonica player!!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:37:35 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: something happening here . . . njc PC From Boston Bob: > > We're in the middle of a political > convention, for cryin' out loud. And how about those Democrats! Kerry did great in his speech last night, Edwards and every other speaker was inspiring, too, and I can easily see the Kerry/Edwards team leading the country soon. Go guys! I've always been proud of being a Democrat because of the stands the party takes on social issues. It's always the Democrats who move this country forward, sometimes by trying things that don't work out well, but at least attempts to move forward are made. After watching almost every minute of the Democratic Convention, I'm even prouder to be a member of that party (not a perfect party, not EXACTLY what I want, but a very solid base to start from). The Republican Convention will be in NYC the last week of August, and everyone here is saying how weird that is! I mean, do we, in this town of almost all Democrats, really have to be nice to those (fill in the blank). The way the Repubs are using the direct and personal pain this city went through, using the 9/11 anniversary for their political advantage, shows what they're made of. It's another example of "we'll use you for OUR benefit." I haven't spoken to everyone in the city (obviously because who has the time to speak to 8 million people?), but everyone I have talked to is dreading the invasion of the Repubs. The security alone (10,000 cops will be on duty) should be enough to show what a lie the Bushies most recent repeated phrase is: "the American people are safer with Saddam Hussein gone." Wrong! Just as an aside, 10,000 cops for the convention in NYC, 11,000 military people for the war in Afghanistan where the mass murderer lives. Seems wacky to me. Political rant over, for now. Debra Shea, in NYC P.S. It was good to see James Taylor and Stephen Stills being interviewed last night after the convention and hearing them talk about their support of the Dems. Stills was saying that CSN (and maybe even Canadian) Y, are planning to do something, maybe a concert in October, in support of the Democrats. I kept wondering what Joni's thinking about all this. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:05:40 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: something happening here . . . njc PC Nancy Reagan to Bush: 'We Don't Support Your Re-Election' By TERESA HAMPTON & WILLIAM D. McTAVISH Capitol Hill Blue Staff Jul 30, 2004, 08:12 The widow of former President, and Republican icon, Ronald Reagan has told the GOP she wants nothing to do with their upcoming national convention or the re-election campaign of President George W. Bush. Continued here: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4935.shtml Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:46:43 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Not smoking ...... A RANT so be warned......NJC Congratulations, Smokeless Queen Lulu! You appear to have the relentless, seething bitterness of a confirmed nonsmoker down pat! It is I -- your Smokeless Agony Auntie Smurf -- with a few reactions to your blistering rant that may help, ahem, clear the air . . . Lucy complains: << I do not seem to be getting any sort of sense of smell back, except that my dog smells awful..... >> The fact that you're getting a nasty whiff of that stinky canine actually indicates that you're moving in the right direction, luv. It does indicate that your ol' schnozzola is working after all. May I suggest that you bathe the brute in a nice fruity-scented shampoo and enjoy its new fragrance? Or douse Fido liberally with a men's cologne and pretend you're dating a southern European gentleman. Lucy whines: << neither have I gained any fabulous sense of taste >> Really? I recommend that you discover the magic of C-H-O-C-O-L-A-T-E, the miracle food. Mmmm, yummy! Or sprinkle a little monosodium glutamate on your tongue before every meal. This should help until your taste buds wake up in their own sweet time. Lucy bitches: << My blood pressure has shot through the skylight >> Entre nous, MY blood pressure did the same long before I quit. Quitting smoking has no effect on one's blood pressure according to my old Rhode Island primary care physician, may he rest in peace. It does, however, help to quit drinking alcohol. Oh, I know what you're thinking . . . the fleet's just arrived and sobriety makes anonymous sex so difficult. But believe me, your blood pressure will go down when you put the proverbial cork in it. Also, extreme exercise helps -- the kind which sends your heart racing for many minutes at a time. (Move next door to Maggie McNally and she'll force you to do it.) My blood pressure is now totally normal. Of course, I don't drink or smoke and now have virtually no reason for living, but at least I'll live longer. And longer, my dear, is always better. Lucy spits: << I have piled on a pretty impressive 2 stone (28lb..or 14 -ish KG) >> Yes, dear, but every one of those pounds smells lovely in a fresh, powdery, peaches-and-cream, English rose kind of way. I know it's very hard to believe that one is improving one's health when one begins to look like a hastily inflated version of one's former self. Remember: Life isn't about finding yourself; it's about creating yourself. You are your own work of art, my precious. Just imagine that you are metamorphosing from a stick-figure Modigliani to a more rounded and desirable Renoir. And if you don't buy any of this fat-is-beautiful crapola, then you should know that most people who quit ciggies do eventually go back to their normal weight. Lucy bellyaches: << I have ached in every bone in my body since giving up and suffered from a completely blocked nose on and off..... >> I feel your pain, sweetie. I often find myself moving just as dear old Grandfather did shortly before he stopped moving forever. Besides advising a pain reliever and a decongestant, I am at a loss for what else to tell you. At least you haven't mentioned suffering from my nonsmoking horror: insomnia. Lucy whinges: << Please do not give me advice on exercise, I have always walked about 6 miles a day with my dog ... There is only so much I can fit in.... >> Okay, no advice on walking. It's wonderful. Millions of chubby people do it every day. Of course, if you ran the 6 miles instead, you'd have time left over that you're now wasting by walking. You are also right to think of the money you're saving, Smokeless Queen Lulu. In fact, you're right to keep anything in mind that helps you achieve this goal. I often think of loved ones I have lost through smoking-related diseases. And I think of the people who have given me so much encouragement in my efforts to quit, many of them on this list. (When I was thanking people who've helped me quit the other day I forgot to mention Jody the nonsmoking stunt driver. She tried to kill herself and me in Jersey last winter and we still didn't smoke once the danger had passed!) I miss cigarettes every day, even as I write this, but I grow a little bit farther away from them all the time. And I no longer wake up hacking and gasping for air. Nor do I wheeze and clutch my chest as I walk up the hill on my way home. Or spit up toxic black sputum. (I'll stop there because I am sure you get the whole ugly picture.) Yes, Lulu, this is a very tough thing we're doing. But it's worth it. Your loving agony auntie, --Smurf "I was getting my makeup done, and it just hit me: I love Nick, but I need time alone. I called my psychic, and I asked her opinion. . . I went straight to the Kabbalah Center and got a new bracelet." --Paris Hilton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:47:19 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Not smoking ...... A RANT so be warned......NJC Catherine writes: << I'm allergic to just about anything that floats in the air >> No wonder the Birthday Fairy forgot your birthday in April. XO, - --Smurf "I was getting my makeup done, and it just hit me: I love Nick, but I need time alone. I called my psychic, and I asked her opinion. . . I went straight to the Kabbalah Center and got a new bracelet." --Paris Hilton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:31:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Not smoking ...... A RANT so be warned......NJC --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Congratulations, Smokeless Queen Lulu! You > appear to have the relentless, > seething bitterness of a confirmed nonsmoker down > pat! > > It is I -- your Smokeless Agony Auntie Smurf -- > with a few reactions to > your blistering rant that may help, ahem, clear the > air . . . > OMG - this is SO funny I almost want to start smoking again... so I can quit again! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:37:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: k.d. lang Joni covers --- Richard Goldman wrote: > k.d. was on KCRW-FM from Santa Monica this past > Tuesday July 27th, > she did a 45 minute music/interview in-studio, > that's absolutely > terrific. > Neil Young's 'Helpless', Jane Siberry's "The > Valley", Hic Harcourt - major Joni mention>, Bruce Cockburn's > 'One Day I > Walk', Leonard Cohen's 'Hallelujah' & 'Bird On A > Wire', Jane Siberry > 'Love Is Everything' and Neil Young 'After The Gold > Rush'. > Sadly... no Joni, but then she hasn't been > performing any of the > Joni tracks in concert, except...here in San > Francisco... an audience > member in the front row, yelled out 'hey! let us > hear your voice > without amplification, here in Davies Symphony > Hall", and so... k.d. > just did it. She did the first verse and chorus of > "A Case Of > You".... just her voice, and piano, no > amplification. You could still > hear her up into the upper reaches of the balcony. > It was > heavenly.....absolutely fabulously gorgeous. > The KCRW instudio is archived for RealPlayer. > Audio: > http://kcrw.com/cgi-bin/ram_wrap.cgi?/mb/mb040727kd_lang > and > Video with audio (!): > http://kcrw.com/smil/mb040727/kd_lang.ram > Richard, thanks for passing that on. I'm listening to it now and it's wonderful - even though I don't much care for the song "Helpless", it sounds better on my computer than it does on the radio, strangely enough. (and it's nice to hear the k.d. can sing acoustically - - that's the sign of a real singer.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 00:35:39 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: Not smoking ...... A RANT so be warned......NJC hi >>>amelio wrote >>>>but now I've reached the one year mark I'm pretty sure I wont start again. I made the stupid mistake last time of "oh just this time will be ok". No it wont well - i found that after 20 years of not smoking i still occasionally get the craving - but beat it by knowing that ill never be able to kick it again if i do start....................... ron npimh - a combination of the silver creek mountain band who i just saw & ry cooder who i listened to on the way home................... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 00:43:03 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: all I want revisited hi >>>lucy wrote about catherine >>>>Why she is not grabbed by a journal to write ascerbic observations of the world in which we live, I have no idea.... she should be world known.... On and off list she has a cracking sense of humour and of the ridiculous.<<<<< she is grabbed - by the jmdl - shes ours, all ours !!!!!!! funny enough - on the way to work this morning i was wondering the same thing - thinking she would make a great columnist for some publication astute enough to sign her up ............. i nearly wet myself reading her latest parody ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 00:51:12 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: JMDL,the past two weeks: A response. hi >>>>>randy wrote >>>>>You are saying that one should have knowledge of art to evaluate it. I disagree. You only have to know whether you like it or not.<<<<<< mmm - thats a tricky point - in effect you are saying that all those 11 year olds who think britney is the greatest musician ever may in fact be right??? its difficult to actually set some kind of standard. a critic needs to have some kind of standard - but being so subjective its basically impossible to define what that might be. some critics are so pretentious - they really are are just a waste of time. others just have such obvious bad taste - ditto. personally - i tend to follow the critics who echo my personal opinions :-) ron (who read the whole of zen & the art of motorcycle maintenance & still doesnt have a clue what quality is...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:20:18 -0700 From: "J. Gonzales" Subject: Re: (TBOS) Why re-release the Geffen material? De-lurking for a brief observation: When it's all said and done, I think two things about the release of this compilation: A) it's not all that unusual for a single-disc compilation to follow (or precede) an expansive boxed set. Folks not willing to shell out big bucks often buy these cheaper sets. B) The Geffen material isn't even available as individual abums anymore. While it's slightly annoying that this compilation is coming out before those, so be it. It strikes me that Joni could have been contractually obligated to release a compilation and took the reigns so as not to have "unapproved" product out there. I'm certainly, as a fan, not insulted personally by TBOS. That said, while I'm intrigued, it's not a major priority on my list to get it. I am intrigued as to the "what's to come" that's been hinted at, in relation to the next compilation. Rhino always turns out great stuff. I wonder if they've raided the vaults for comprehensive re-releases, like with what they've done to Elvis Costello's catalogue. That'd be worth the bucks. - -J _________________________________________________________________ Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to Dig Yourself Out of Debt from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:00:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (TBOS) Why re-release the Geffen material? --- "J. Gonzales" wrote: > The > Geffen material isn't even > available as individual abums anymore. But it is available. Check out amazon.com and so on - they're all there. In fact, in a strange and ironic twist of fate, they're cheaper at amazon.ca because the prices for some are $1 lower, for others $1 higher than the US versions. Some of them are going for $9.99 CDN, which is between $6 and $7 USD. What a bargoon! > I am intrigued as to the "what's to come" that's > been hinted at, in relation > to the next compilation. Rhino always turns out > great stuff. I wonder if > they've raided the vaults for comprehensive > re-releases, like with what > they've done to Elvis Costello's catalogue. That'd > be worth the bucks. > I think you're right and am holding myself back from getting too excited (because I fear being disappointed.) But, as you say, Rhino does put out great product. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:31:17 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: stereo probs...need advise maybe?.. NJC Speaker cones do tend to fatigue, although I have speakers at least as old that still sound good. One thing is that you are in a small room, and a rectangular box at that. This can cause all kinds of reflections, frequencies cancelling each other out; comb filtering, standing waves. Try this. Pull your speakers away from the wall, and at a medium volume, position yourself equidistant to them, five feet apart, pointed at your ears, with yourself at the point of the triangle, making sure you are nearer to them than you are to any wall. If it sounds alot better that way, it's probably the room. (This is "near field" monitoring, you are listening to the speakers without the reflections from the room). If if still sucks, maybe you could borrow someone's speakers that you like and try them in your system before you go out and spend alot of money. A sub will add the lower octave you are missing with small speakers-but these frequencies are so low they are more felt than heard, and will not help your clarity problem- still a nice addition. Do you have headphones? How do they sound through the Onkyo? How do they sound plugged into the source CD player (if possible)? I don't know which stereo spkrs are hot. Lama? Anyone? I like Tannoys-made for studio monitoring. Your local musician's emporium might have something you like, and probably cheaper than consumer models-just a thought. RR Em wrote: > Was wondering if any of you folks who know about stereos could point me > in the right direction. > I just don't feel I'm getting good sound with my home stereo. It just ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:40:38 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: From the Buffalo News My aunt sent me this from my hometown newspaper: An emotional look back Joni Mitchell's retrospective speaks volumes By JEFF MIERS NEWS POP MUSIC CRITIC 7/30/2004 Mitchell has cherry-picked her most astute and incisive social/political/cultural commentaries into a whole new album with an arc and flow of its own. Can't say I'm too shocked. It's not like Joni Mitchell has ever been one to keep her mouth shut. Times being what they are, I'm only surprised it took her this long. Joni Mitchell has often been lumped in with the hippie proletariat, equated with the tree- hugging, laid-back coalition of the chillin', a typical Californian singer-songwriter. She's anything but, of course. While conservative radio pundits and their brethren would doubtless skewer her as another "Hollywood-type liberal," Mitchell is far too smart, too complex, too talented to be caught in such a dubious net. As a musician, she knows no peers in her age group. She's a brilliant singer, a groundbreaking guitarist, a unique songwriting voice who also happens to be one of the finest living jazz singers this side of Cassandra Wilson. Politically, Mitchell fits the liberal profile, but not so fast there, Mr. Limbaugh - Mitchell's political/social/cultural/environmental stance is more complex than that of your average Birkenstock-wearing Dave Matthews' fan. No, it's no accident that Mitchell has prepared "The Beginning of Survival" for a pre-Election Day release. There are no brand new songs on it. In fact, serious fans more than likely own all of these tunes on their original releases - all from the mid-'80s forward, as heard on the albums "Dog Eat Dog," "Chalk Mark in a Rainstorm," "Night Ride Home," "Turbulent Indigo" and "Taming the Tiger." Why is it worth having? Because, like a collage artist assembling found objects into some new whole, Mitchell has cherry-picked her most astute and incisive social/political/cultural commentaries into a whole new album with an arc and flow of its own. Together, these songs offer insight into where we are and how we got here. As is evidenced by the album's title, there is tempered hope at the heart of this musical voyage. Or maybe not. "The Beginning of Survival" could be seen as a birthing of sorts; it could also be seen as the end of living as we've known it. A long-ago letter Mitchell has chosen Chief Seattle's letter to the president, from 1852, as the centerpiece, a sort of framing discourse for the album. The entire letter is transcribed across the disc's gatefold sleeve. Some 150 years on, the letter hits hard, perhaps even harder than it might have at the time. "We love the earth as a newborn loves its mother's heartbeat," Chief Seattle writes. "So, if we sell you our land, love it as we have loved it. Care for it as we have cared for it. "Hold in your mind the memory of the land as it is when you receive it. Preserve the land and the air and the rivers for your children's children and love it as God loves us all. As we are part of the land, you too are part of the land. This earth is precious to us. It is also precious to you. One thing we know: There is only one God. No man, be he Red Man or White Man, can be apart. We are brothers after all." Reading this, looking at Mitchell's oil paintings as reproduced in the liner notes, then listening to her 16 hand-picked gems, you'd have to have hardened your heart to avoid the rising swells of emotion - most of it based on a sense of loss - this package initiates. It works even if you ignore the lyrics, of course; "Slouching Towards Bethlehem," Mitchell's appropriation of a W.B. Yeats poem, finds her working her melodic magic over interestingly voiced guitar chords and a startling vocal arrangement. It's hip stuff, no question. Ah, but the text - it elevates the piece toward the sublime. "For what is this rough beast/Its hour come at last/ Slouching towards Bethlehem to be born," sings Mitchell, conjuring a figure with the head of a man and the shape of a lion, "with a gaze as blank and pitiless as the sun." The sense of foreboding is palpable. The bleak world "Dog Eat Dog," written during and reflective of the Reagan era, is no less forceful, as Mitchell calls forth a bleak world. "Where the wealth's displayed/Thieves and sycophants parade/And where it's made - the slaves will be taken/Some are treated well/In these games of buy and sell/And some like poor beasts/Are burdened down to breaking." It's not as if Mitchell's been holding back until this point, but "The Beat of Black Wings" hits like the ominous thud of a hammer driving nails into a coffin lid. Here, she meets a young soldier returned from war. "They want you, they need you," Mitchell's soldier says. "They train you to kill, to be a pin on some map . . . some vicarious thrill! The old hate the young, that's the whole heartless thing! The old pick wars, we die in 'em, to the beat of . . . the beat of black wings." It's easy to rail against the dying of the light, particularly today. It's tough to do so, however, when even the slightest utterance is used against one to question one's patriotism, love of country, mom and apple pie, and so forth. Just ask Linda Rondstadt. But Mitchell is no shrinking violet. She has the courage of her convictions. And her cultural metaphysics is well-thought-out and stunningly displayed. "And the gas leaks/and the oil spills/and sex sells everything/and sex kills," she intones during "Sex Kills," written well before this current administration took power but disturbingly prescient nonetheless. This is a time where serious reflection and considered thought is in order. And "The Beginning of Survival" is an apt soundtrack for such an activity. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #327 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)