From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #326 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, July 30 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 326 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: whoa...TI cover in heaven / pointless speculation [Em ] Re: JMDL,the past two weeks: A response. [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] Another song parody [Randy Remote ] Re: Smurfs question, NJC [dsk ] Re: JMDL,the past two weeks: A response. [Randy Remote ] Re: Smurfs question, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Smurfs question, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Yvette in English and Edith and the Kingpin [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Amelia [Em ] Prince on the music business njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Another song parody [Catherine McKay ] Re: Amelia [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Another song parody - njc now [Lori Fye ] Re: Amelia [Em ] draft bruce 2.0 njc [vince ] Re: k.d. lang Joni covers [Richard Goldman ] Dreamland and Summer Concerts [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Joni's response ["Mark or Travis" ] something happening here . . . njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Kings of Convenience - njc [KindTaper@aol.com] "Snapshots In A Diary", Rhino Records, release date: September 14, 2004 100% JC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:07:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: whoa...TI cover in heaven / pointless speculation Hi Bob, thanks for playing! :) You know who I can hear covering this? Neil Young, doing his heavy handed picking as in "For the Turnstiles". (although the rythms are totally diff) I'm hearing a real "spare" sound for this. Just bare strings. *Is* it complicated? To me its a kinky waltz of ghosts. Mysterious..lots of room for artistic tripping. So, this, "Wall to Wall Joni" you mention?? what was that? was that like a Jonifest? Something related to this list? or? anyway, as far as TI, its being fun for me, to be obsessed/real *into* a song. Its been awhile. Happy Thursday! Em - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > **Why is that song so ignored by artists, as far as covering it? > > > > > Em, you know now that speculation about Joni covers is NEVER > pointless! > > My theory would be that it just hasn't gotten much exposure, and on > top of > that it's a complex song melodically, don't you think? Sometimes > Joni makes it > look easy. Besides, the only time I've heard a cover of it was at > Wall to > Wall Joni with David Garland, and believe me you don't wanna hear > that one > again. > > Bob > > NP: The Shirelles, "Dedicated to the One I Love" > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:42:55 -0500 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: Y'all thought I was joking about that GHOUL hand??? Well Bob... You are vindicated I guess... Just how long did it take you in photoshop to do this???? Steve >>> 07/28/04 09:09PM >>> Well, look who's the STAR of THIS DVD!!! Called "Evil...Comes Alive": _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6312523574&ssPageName =STRK:MEWA:IT_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6312523574&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT) Now what do y'all think, hmmmmmm? It's all starting to make sense to me now. Bob, always with evil on his mind NP: Heather Nova, "Heaven" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:43:31 -0500 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: Y'all thought I was joking about that GHOUL hand??? I for got to add: LOLOLOLOL)LOL)(OL)L)OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! >>> 07/28/04 09:09PM >>> Well, look who's the STAR of THIS DVD!!! Called "Evil...Comes Alive": _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6312523574&ssPageName =STRK:MEWA:IT_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6312523574&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT) Now what do y'all think, hmmmmmm? It's all starting to make sense to me now. Bob, always with evil on his mind NP: Heather Nova, "Heaven" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:13:14 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Yvette in English and Edith and the Kingpin Hi everyone! I'm not getting my digests for some reason but I thought I would give this a try anyway. I was loading some Joni on my media player at work and noticed that the info stated Yvette in English was actually composed by David Crosby and Edith and the Kingpin was composed by Pat Metheny. I am not sure if this is music only or words and music. Did anyone else know about this? Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to Dig Yourself Out of Debt from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:42:24 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: Is Myrtle proud of Joni? ( onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #214) Thanks, Steven! Let's hope Joni has, or shortly will, come to settle for that much acceptance, agree to disagree about the rest and be at peace with that. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. tim_spong@yahoo.com for off-list correspondence - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Steven Polifka" wrote, on Subject: Re: Is Myrtle proud of Joni? ( onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #214), on >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:47:59 - -0500 > >Well, I can think of these quotes: > >"She don't like my kick pleat skirts >She don't like my eyelids painted green >She don't like me staying up late >Livin' for that rock and roll dancin' scene" > >and > >"In France they kiss on Mainstreet >Amour, Mama, not cheap display" > >Then: > >"I got so numb on Christmas Day >I couldn't feel my hands or feet >I shouldn't have come- she made me pay >For gleaming with Donald down on her street >She put blame on him, and shame on me >She made it seem so taudry and cheap"... > >Myrtle and Joni's idea of morals are vastly different. >I think that is where most of the conflict lies. > >Does Myrtle think that Joni's lack of 'morals' are because of >her success??? That's what I was wondering. > >However, I do believe Myrtle is proud. >Steve > > >>> "Timothy Spong" 07/28/04 08:54AM >>> >On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, the only-Joni Digest included: > > > >Subject: Today's Library Links: July 28 > > > >On July 28 the following article was published: > > > > > >1966: "Rising Folksinger From Saskatoon Discusses Career" - Saskatoon > > >StarPhoenix > > (Interview) > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=639 > > > > > ... and therein, we find this quote: "Mrs. Anderson, as proud as a > >mother could be of her daughter's success, gave details of Joni's >career, >while we thumbed through a scrapbook filled with press notices of her >performances in several major North American cities." > > > A recurring thread on this list has been that one of Joni's inner >demons, >possibly driving her creativity, is a supposed failure to live up to >her >mother's expectations and therefore, never realizing Myrtle's full >acceptance. A couple of months ago, I offered the existence of Mrs. >Anderson's 40 scrapbooks of memorabilia of Joni's public career -- >mentioned >in other articles accessible from the library links -- as evidence >weighing >against this theory. I saw no comment -- don't think anybody would have > >posted a response thereto and labeled it "No Joni Content" so that I >wouldn't have seen it. As further evidence against this theory, I >present >the above quote, which probably refers to a scrapbook in the low single > >digits among what eventually became 40. Of course, these pieces of >evidence >don't mean Joni doesn't subjectively feel such a lack of acceptance; >they >argue that the lack of acceptance objectively isn't there. > > Comment, anyone? > > Tim Spong > Dover, Del., U.S.A. > tim_spong@yahoo.com for off-list correspondence > >_________________________________________________________________ >Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:28:03 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Smurfs question, NJC Smurf asked: Could polio or post-polio syndrome affect the biological child of a mother who had been afflicted by the disease in her youth? Dr. L? Do you know? Hi Smoke-Free Smurf: Congratulations on quitting! That is major! I hope you never go back to it. People don't realize how smoking not only affects the lungs but also many other systems of the body as well. People sometimes are not aware of the increased risk for cancers other than lung cancer and the link between heart problems and smoking. People who smoke are swallowing toxins from the smoke which increases the risk of digestive system related cancers like pancreatic cancer. The blood is freely accessible to the air in the lungs so toxins in cigarette smoke are circulated throughout the body and are not limited to being in the lungs. One thing that really puzzles me is when environmentally conscious people smoke cigarettes anyway... in essence pouring concentrated air pollution into their lungs. They might as well go behind an old car from the 60's and puff on the exhaust pipe. There is radiation in the smoke inhaled from a burning cigarette. Polonium 210 is perhaps the best studied form of radiation in cigarette smoke. It creates holes in the microscopic walls of the alveoli, the tiny air sacs in the lungs, as if you would shoot cannon balls through a brick wall. Other components in tobacco such as benzopyrenes would be considered to be pollutants if concentrated in the visible environment, such as in a lake, in the concentrations found naturally in tobacco. As for polio and the offspring of a mother who had the virus in childhood, the likelihood of the virus being transmitted to the offspring in utero is negligable from what I've read. However, the mothers have antibodies to the virus and pass these antibodies across the placenta to their offspring and through breast milk as a natural form of immunity, passive immunity. So, a child of a mother who has had polio might actually be infected by the polio virus and have such a mild case of the disease, because they have passive immunity from the mother, that it wouldn't be diagnosed as polio. The effects of polio 40 years after surviving the initial infection are very challenging and can include intense fatigue, muscle weakness, arthritic-type pain, intolerance to cold, swallowing problems, sleep disorders, panic disorders, and problems with breathing. Survivors may or may not show these symptoms years after the disease. At any rate, we should be very thankful for Joni now in her later years. It would behoove us to answer a big YES to her question, "will you take me as I am?" and be grateful for her ability to express herself however she pleases today. Lovingly yours, Dr. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:16:13 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Parsonage Lane reviewed in "Performer Mag"! njc Congratulations!!! Well deserved IMHO, db (one of your many fans) >>> waytoblu 7/28/2004 4:56:41 PM >>> Just found this review online. A very nice one I might add. Victor http://www.performermag.com/sepReview.php?offset=10 This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:01:00 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Capitol Hill Blue Here's a fun site, reminiscent of The Onion." I haven't yet determined whether it's reporting real news or jesting: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/ And btw, Lama, you mentioned that it feels like 1972 these days ... you aren't far off. Check out this last paragraph on http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4930.shtml: "From what people who work there now tell me, this White House looks more and more like the White House of Richard M. Nixon," says retired political science professor George Harleigh, who worked in the Nixon White House. "It may be 2004 but it is starting to seem more like 1974 (the year Nixon resigned in disgrace)." Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:18:32 EDT From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL,the past two weeks: A response. Dear RR, For someone who's not entitled to an opinion you certainly managed to express a strong one.(Ouch...I must have hit a nerve!) I'm a bit puzzled as to whose post you actually were responding to. I don't recall mentioning anything about critics being the only ones entitled to any opinion, only that one should have a little something to back up one when they express it. I also never said a word about an artist evaluating their own work only that the process was generally more important than the end results. Last but not least, please point out where you read that I thought you were taking food out of Joni's mouth. I believe I said she was entitled to any monetary gain she could make from her music, never once did I imply she was indigent. Geeez...talk about misconceptions, start reading the text of post instead of reading what you think is between the lines. Jonily yours, Warren Keith Warrenkeith91354@aol.com wrote: > I would > add that once you put your work in the public arena it is fair game; at > least have some knowledge about the process, i.e., painting, before you criticize > the results. so, if you have no formal training in music, say...as Joni or Paul McCartney don't, you are not entitled to an opinion? How on earth do they evaluate their own creation process? To expand this further, the unwashed should rely on music or art experts to tell them what is good and what isn't. I don't buy it. > I mentioned, in a post of a year or so ago, as a defense > of Joni's possible frustration with a painful reaction and lack of function > in her hands and its direct effect on her ability to create new material. ( I > never got a response to that post.) I guess it would be speculation on our part. She did tell Kakki a year or so ago that she wanted to write, but couldn't-implying to me writer's block. > If Joni can make some cash as a result of > repackaging her material I say more power to her. She deserve any and all > monetary reward she can get for the joy she has brought to all our lives. > Granted...I would be very sad if she didn't release any new material all I'm > saying is...let the woman make a living.. God, now I feel like I'm taking food out of her mouth. She has that nice house in Bel Aire and a Lexus, but can't afford the gas! RR, not entitled to an opinion ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:46:58 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Another song parody New (Blue) New..eww eww ewwwwewww ...songs must be taboo You know I've paid for this before Are they tryin' to see How much her fans will pay? They knew We wanted songs from you Press it again Add some art and then A new CD to spin! Well there's so many versions That it's got my head hurtin' Just tryin' to count them all Vinyl and CDs Laser DVDs Lots of cash LOTS of cash Record moguls trying to Sell the stuff from long ago Well I don't think so But I'm gonna check out the tracks on it though New..eww eww ewwwwewww And yet not......newwwww True, There is a shelf for you Inside my den you know Room for one more and so.... Here's some more cash from meeeee.... RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:58:28 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Smurfs question, NJC LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > > Other components in tobacco such as benzopyrenes would be considered to > be pollutants if concentrated in the visible environment, such as in a lake, in > the concentrations found naturally in tobacco. One of the things that helped me quit years ago was learning from the American Cancer Society that U.S. cigarette manufacturers add over 100 chemicals to the tobacco in those cigarettes, including sugar, so that if one thing doesn't hook you, something else will. Anger over that helped me quit. I did not want to ever give them any more of my money, or my health. Congrats, Bob! Keep going! Let the tempting times just pass over you. It gets easier. Relish your sweet smell and those deep breaths you can now take. (And as my gift to you, if you really want to hear even more about death taxes, NO, estate taxes!, just say the word.) For all the smokers who think that former smokers are razzing them for no reason other than self-righteousness... you're wrong. You're battling the wrong enemy. For anyone such as myself who watched my Mom smoke herself toward emphysema and lung cancer and a painful, drawn-out death not long ago, it's about that person's health (and if I can't avoid taking in their smoke, then it's about MY health also). I look at people smoking and see that same painful end, and I would not wish that on anyone. And, yes, we'll all die some day, so no need for self-righteous smokers to tell us all that again! Smokers seem to think their smoking will lead to being healthy one day and dead the next. Some endings are like that. The one smokers are leading themselves toward is not. At the same time, as the saying about addiction goes, "denial ain't just a river in Egypt", so I don't do much outright preaching to smokers, but I do always hope they will come to their own conclusion and honestly face what they're doing, and be willing to change it. At least try to change it. I quit about 100 times before that final time, and as someone so addicted I had to stand between subway cars to have a smoke if there was the slightest delay... as Bob said about himself, if *I* could quit, anyone can. > The effects of polio 40 years after surviving the initial infection are > very challenging and can include intense fatigue, muscle weakness, > arthritic-type pain, intolerance to cold, swallowing problems, sleep disorders, panic > disorders, and problems with breathing. Survivors may or may not show these > symptoms years after the disease. Very interesting, Dr. Laura. So this may have been affecting Joni for the past 10 years? In interviews she's said she did not like to travel by plane because the air conditioning is so uncomfortable for her, and she's always talked about the weakness of her hands, especially the left one. If these symptoms appear, do they ever decrease or, since the person's body has compensated all it can, there's no chance of that? > At any rate, we should be very thankful for Joni > now in her later years. It would behoove us to answer a big YES to her > question, "will you take me as I am?" and be grateful for her ability to express > herself however she pleases today. Now that it's put that way, yes, you're very right about that. Thank you. Debra Shea, in NYC sucking in bus fumes but glad I'm not adding to the damage by smoking too ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:20:37 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: JMDL,the past two weeks: A response. Warrenkeith91354@aol.com wrote: > Dear RR, > > For someone who's not entitled to an opinion you certainly managed to > express a strong one.(Ouch...I must have hit a nerve!) No nerves hit here. I sense more oversensitivity from the folks who get defensive at any criticism of Joni. > I don't recall mentioning anything > about critics being the only ones entitled to any opinion, only that one should > have a little something to back up one when they express it. You said: "at least have some knowledge about the process, i.e., painting, before you criticize the results." You are saying that one should have knowledge of art to evaluate it. I disagree. You only have to know whether you like it or not. The rest of my statement only extends this line of thinking. Every aspect of creating a piece of art or music involves constant evaluation (discernment, being critical). I'm sure Joni, during C&S, told Tom Scott, "I don't like that, could you try this?" etc. Even though he is schooled in music, and she is not. > Last but not least, please > point out where you read that I thought you were taking food out of Joni's > mouth. Here: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com wrote: > let the woman make a living... > Geeez...talk about > misconceptions, start reading the text of post instead of reading what you think > is between the lines. I did read your post carefully several times. I thought your discussion of color was illuminating, and I'm glad you were moved to post your views. I wasn't dissing you are your opinions, just trying to discuss points of view. Respek, RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:20:17 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Smurfs question, NJC Debra writes: << For all the smokers who think that former smokers are razzing them for no reason other than self-righteousness... you're wrong. >> Very true, Debra. You know, I wasn't really thinking of the self-righteousness angle, but of course that is a somewhat valid criticism of born-again nonsmokers and their zeal. I feel much more *amazed* than self-righteous; I am amazed by my improved health, amazed that I ever needed anything so poisonous, so badly, so often, and for so long, and I am amazed by the tastes and scents of life that I have missed. Late spring and early summer were a real treat, with the incredibly rich smell of flowers or clover or something that I could smell everywhere I went. Whatever it was, it was something I had never been aware of before and it was wonderful. I guess that's what I want smokers -- or, more specifically, nicotine addicts -- to know about life after cigarettes -- that they will be amazed by what they're missing and amazed that they absolutely can quit. - --Smurf "Today is a gift. That's why they call it the present!" - --a quotation from Kiki & Herb in the latest Michael Musto Village Voice column ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:01:01 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Smurfs question, NJC Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > > ...You know, I wasn't really thinking of the > self-righteousness angle, but of course that is a somewhat valid criticism of born-again > nonsmokers and their zeal. That's how it's instantly taken. Smokers get complaints from all sides, and they (as I was) are very sensitive about it. Plus, it's hard to share enthusiasm about anything without coming across as self-righteous. Joni listers were just called opinionated music snobs because we like Joni's music! And we want to SHARE it! (Even if we have to force it upon people... is that self-righteousness? I prefer to call it passionate enthusiasm.) > I feel much more *amazed* than self-righteous; I am > amazed by my improved health, amazed that I ever needed anything so poisonous, so > badly, so often, and for so long, and I am amazed by the tastes and scents of > life that I have missed. Late spring and early summer were a real treat, with > the incredibly rich smell of flowers or clover or something that I could smell > everywhere I went. I know just what you mean! My first amazement was when I was steaming green beans and knew they were done (from another room!) just by the smell. I'd never known green beans had ANY smell and had thought they were rather bland tasting, so I truly was amazed at that. It's like getting more dimensions to life. Smelling flowers across the room... that kind of thing really is wonderful. (And for people thinking the glass is 1/2 empty with all this new-found smelling ability, you soon realize those "bad" smells dissipate quickly, and, really, isn't that good to know, too?) I also thoroughly enjoy NOT spending two months every winter with bronchitis. > Whatever it was, it was something I had never been aware of > before and it was wonderful. I guess that's what I want smokers -- or, more > specifically, nicotine addicts -- to know about life after cigarettes -- that > they will be amazed by what they're missing and amazed that they absolutely can > quit. Yes, very true. But we all know how hard it is explain anything to people if they haven't yet experienced it. The hope is that even without that experience, some people will take a leap of faith and give new adventures a try. Debra Shea NPIMH: Joni singing, People will tell you where they've, they'll tell you where to go, but... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:58:40 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Smurfs question, NJC Smurf wrote: amazed that I ever needed anything so poisonous, so badly, so often, and for so long, and I am amazed by the tastes and scents of life that I have missed. Hi Smurf! I can say the same about alcohol. Except I didn't only miss the tastes and the scents, I missed life itself because I was numb to everything. Now that I am coming alive again, it is very frightening and exciting all at the same time. In AA we say that insanity is when you know doing something is going to badly hurt you, and you do it anyway. Denial is behind the insanity of addiction. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:15:33 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Smurfs question, NJC Debra wrote: Very interesting, Dr. Laura. So this may have been affecting Joni for the past 10 years? Hi Debra, Yes, it might have been, but hopefully she is in the population of polio survivors who are the least affected. As for if the symptoms ever decrease... classically, what is lost is lost regarding the central nervous system. However, there can be fluctuations in the severity of the symptoms depending on a person's diet and ability to sleep, etc. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:26:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Yvette in English and Edith and the Kingpin "Yvette in English was actually composed by David Crosby and Edith and the Kingpin was composed by Pat Metheny. I am not sure if this is music only or words and music. Did anyone else know about this?" Well, you're partially correct about YIE, Sherelle. Joni and Croz co-wrote it, with Joni writing the music and Crosby writing the words which were then altered by Joni. You may not know that Crosby also recorded the song on his album "Thousand Roads". Edith & The Kingpin (the song that you ROCK THE HOUSE with) is all Joni, Pat Metheny had nothing to do with it, except that he played it on Joni's '79 tour as part of that awesome band. Bob NP: Modest Mouse, "Dance Hall" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:56:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Amelia she's singing to Amelia Earhart????????? yes????? or? how come I never figured that out til now?? sheesh!!!!! too cool! em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:56:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Prince on the music business njc Interesting Prince article in today's Toronto Star. Some comments similar to Joan's but no use of the word "cesspool". Whole article + pic at the website: http://tinyurl.com/6kpp4 or: http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thes tar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1091052613303&call_pa geid=968867495754&col=969483191630 or copied below: - ------------------------------------------------ Prince has Much to say about music Does 3 songs plus chat for television Techno harming live music, he says ASHANTE INFANTRY ENTERTAINMENT REPORTER Prince brought a whole lot of teasing and good-natured laughter to Chum Television headquarters on Queen St. W. yesterday afternoon, but there was a moment when His Purple Badness didn't seem entirely amused. Shortly after wrapping up a three-song performance with his band, the New Power Generation, the entertainer perched on a bar chair for a taped Q&A with MuchMoreMusic host Bill Welychka. Two questions into the segment, which airs Sunday at 9 p.m., Prince rotated the microphone in his palm while zoning in on the TV station's logo, which blazed from three sides in varying hues. "These are pretty cool," he said, in a manner devoid of appreciation. "They just got me doing an advertisement, whether I want to or not." It was as if the play-by-my-rules, media-phobic pop superstar, who exerted complete control over every aspect of publicity around his back-to-back Toronto concerts, suddenly realized he'd been co-opted. It had all gone so well to that point. The master songwriter, record producer and Oscar-winning composer managed to sell out both of his Air Canada Centre dates, although he granted just one interview to a Canadian media outlet in the lead-up; the opening show was widely covered despite a ban on media photography; and the MuchMoreMusic visit was supposed to be off-limits to the press. The notoriously reticent artist seeks to exercise the same control over dissemination of his image as he does his music. After a bitter feud with his longtime label Warner Bros. he established his own record label, NPG, and began releasing music online in 1997. Although his latest disc Musicology is manufactured and distributed by Sony Music's Columbia Records, he's still vehement on the subject of restrictive recording contracts. "I was recording the albums myself in my own studio, so the way I looked at it, I owned the work because I paid for it and I did all the work. I created it, so I felt like it should belong to me," he said yesterday. "That said, the companies felt otherwise and they would always hold this contract up and say, `Well, you signed it.' And I said, `I understand that. It's not like I want to leave. I just want to, you know, talk about this thing and see if we can't make it more fair. Of course they wouldn't change because if they changed, they wouldn't really exist, and that's kind of the situation we're in today. They're not going to exist much longer ... "Kids today, I mean, they're so talented and sophisticated, they can create their albums on laptops; they can do the artwork themselves; they can deliver it through the Internet; they can be their own distribution service. I mean what do we really need record companies for? "It's not like we're against them or anything like that. The idea is that we find better ways of working with one another. It shouldn't be a situation where they own the album or the work. We're talking about intellectual copyrights. If they're going to, indeed, be a delivery service, then that's fine. But even Fedex doesn't say that they own the thing that they ship, right?" Clad in a white winter hat, Vince Carter jersey and track pants, the singer also spoke to 200 audience members about his other pet peeve  the current state of music. "I think everybody knows, the audience even at this point, that a lot of music that comes out now is pre-packaged pop and it's made with computers and it's real evident when people play live that there's some trouble going on. "I think kids need to hear live music so that they know what it's really about and then hopefully they'll pick up an instrument and keep this thing going. "If kids don't learn the craft of songwriting and playing an instrument, real instruments and making real music, then we're going to lose this art form." ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:10:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Another song parody --- Randy Remote wrote: > New (Blue) > > New..eww eww ewwwwewww > ...songs must be taboo > You know I've paid for this before > Are they tryin' to see > How much her fans will pay? > LOL! Excellent work! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:22:48 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Amelia Jing writes: << she's singing to Amelia Earhart????????? yes????? or? how come I never figured that out til now?? sheesh!!!!! >> Then this'll really blow your mind: You know those Napoleon pastries that are so yummy? They're named after NAPOLEON BONAPARTE! Lovingly, - --Smurf, who's secretly jealous that Jing is just beginning to discover The Greatest Album of Music and Lyrics Ever Created by a Human Being on Earth Since Time Began "Today is a gift. That's why they call it the present!" - --a quotation from Kiki & Herb in the latest Michael Musto Village Voice column ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:33:53 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Another song parody - njc now > Well there's so many versions > That it's got my head hurtin' > Just tryin' to count them all > Vinyl and CDs > Laser DVDs > Lots of cash > LOTS of cash LOL, Randy! Brilliant!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:38:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Amelia - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Then this'll really blow your mind: You know those Napoleon pastries > that are > so yummy? They're named after NAPOLEON BONAPARTE! LMAO!!!!! Smurf! now you have to admit, Amelia is *ever* so slightly a more common name than "Napoleon". I had thought Amelia was maybe like another Sharon. A friend or whatever... I just let the pictures wash over me..and this is the first time I *saw* Amelia Earhart. And I was PLEASED to see her, because I love her! Had cheekbones like Joni! > --Smurf, who's secretly jealous that Jing is just beginning to > discover The > Greatest Album of Music and Lyrics Ever Created by a Human Being on > Earth Since > Time Began I have to admit that I am very delighted to have this music to learn, to discover, to absorb. Jing who is secretly jealous that Smurf always has such great signature lines... ;) ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:09:38 -0400 From: vince Subject: draft bruce 2.0 njc Dear DraftBruce supporter: We are making progress! Although I have no specific information that Bruce is considering leading a concert at Giants Stadium on September 1st as I had hoped, the article excerpted below from the concert industry trade magazine Pollstar indicates that Bruce is indeed performing for "Change" this coming October in key swing states. Since I started this effort I have received over 110,000 visitors to sign the petition and I am writing to you today to request that you forward the site URL - http://www.draftbruce.com/ - to any additional people who you think might sign it. Also, I have modified the site to refer to this new information, so maybe some of your friends who doubted the potential of Bruce actually performing and didn't sign it before, will do so now. I plan on delivering the petition to Bruce Springsteen sometime next week so we need to make the strongest case possible with as large a community of support we can create. Thank you for your time and energy. Andrew Rasiej andrew@draftbruce.com (To unsubscribe from the draftbruce.com list, forward this message to remove@draftbruce.com.) Excerpt from PollstarOnline.com article: Wednesday, Jul 28, 2004 ** Bruce Drafted After All? ** The rock star set, including Bruce Springsteen, Dave Matthews Band, Neil Young, R.E.M., and Pearl Jam, will be joined by a deep roster of country stars, punks and folkies for a barnstorming tour of so-called "swing states" in the month before the upcoming general election, the Los Angeles Times has learned. While some of the artists participating in the caravan are unabashed supporters of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, it seems that "anybody but Bush" is the more common thread stitching together such a diverse group of artists. [...] (To read more news from PollstarOnline.com, sign up at http://www.pollstaronline.com/CheckJoin.asp.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:13:41 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: k.d. lang Joni covers k.d. was on KCRW-FM from Santa Monica this past Tuesday July 27th, she did a 45 minute music/interview in-studio, that's absolutely terrific. Neil Young's 'Helpless', Jane Siberry's "The Valley", , Bruce Cockburn's 'One Day I Walk', Leonard Cohen's 'Hallelujah' & 'Bird On A Wire', Jane Siberry 'Love Is Everything' and Neil Young 'After The Gold Rush'. Sadly... no Joni, but then she hasn't been performing any of the Joni tracks in concert, except...here in San Francisco... an audience member in the front row, yelled out 'hey! let us hear your voice without amplification, here in Davies Symphony Hall", and so... k.d. just did it. She did the first verse and chorus of "A Case Of You".... just her voice, and piano, no amplification. You could still hear her up into the upper reaches of the balcony. It was heavenly.....absolutely fabulously gorgeous. The KCRW instudio is archived for RealPlayer. Audio: http://kcrw.com/cgi-bin/ram_wrap.cgi?/mb/mb040727kd_lang and Video with audio (!): http://kcrw.com/smil/mb040727/kd_lang.ram ~Richard >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:10:17 -0700 >From: Mike Friedman >Subject: k.d. lang Joni covers > >Oh my god. k.d. lang has always been one of my favorites, but her cover >of "Case of You" is SO beautiful....Just her fantastic voice and a >piano..... > >Now for Jericho..... > >Also incredibly lovely......with a little strings in the >background......it's such a sweet (slighly bittersweet?), but >ultimately happy love song. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:15:31 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Dreamland and Summer Concerts In a message dated 7/29/2004 12:04:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Also, I see another upcoming release in > September called "Dreamland". It's a collection of all the African drum and world music songs. No, not really, just kidding. Or, maybe it is, good gawd.... Bryan Whose unlikely and unplanned live music highlights this summer have been: Natalie MacMaster (sp.?), Three Dog Night, Herman's Hermits (no kidding) and Reba McEntire (never thought that would happen). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:00:49 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Joni's response You think I should write you new songs? Why? Because Stevie did? Oh, come on! Because Stevie wrote new songs You think I cheat And you're hard done by 'Look, don't foist off 80s crap More old stuff That we won't buy Pimped like Geffen's whore Recycled in the stores' You want too much! You want too badly! You want Another 'For the Roses' Log on to my list You type Of my downslide Typing how I smoke I bitch You'd smack my backside The albums you don't like My cigarettes you'd spike You want too much! You want too badly! You want 'Court and Spark, The Sequel' In the cesspool I've been stuck in The music's a crap shoot 'Give us a megahit now!' The public cries I'm not gonna be the jukebox At your next big tribal meeting Not if transportation means I might have to fly Oh it's not like I can't read I saw But I made no comment As you began to type Ghoul-clawed Your verbal vomit It wasn't hard to guess That my artwork would be next You want too much! You want too badly! You want More 'Ladies of the Canyon' In the land they call 'Clear Channel' The DJs are sleeping Counting slutty little Britneys And minding the veeps Outside on every chart list My records are never peaking While my fans bitch about me There's no relief Oh I'm tangled in your jibes Your slams Your worldwide web Spit, spun between PCs With spam You want my head You'd eat me up alive For Hejira one more time You slag too much! You diss too badly! You want Joni black and 'Blue' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:36:39 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: something happening here . . . njc >We're in the middle of a political convention, for cryin' out loud. < watching the kerry video before he spoke at the convention I realized why they young kerry (who I think was quite handsome) looked so familiar... he once looked a lot like our victor does now! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:19:14 EDT From: KindTaper@aol.com Subject: Kings of Convenience - njc Just wanted to suggest this wonderful band if you have never heard of them. They are a duo from Norway, and their first album came out about three years ago. Their music is very quiet and acoustic. Most of the songs are done on acoustic guitars and piano. Their sound is very reminiscent of Simon & Garfunkel and Nick Drake. They incorporate beautiful harmonies into their songs, and if you are a fan of "Song to a Seagull" or anything Joni does that's very laid back and stripped down (Night Ride Home also comes to mind), I can almost guarantee you'd like them. Their new album just came out this week, called "Riot on an Empty Street". I think it's really good, but I am not as impressed with the album overall as I was with their first album "Quiet is the New Loud". I see "Quiet is the New Loud" in used bins from time to time so if you ever get a chance to listen to them, it will be to your advantage. Let me lastly say that I enjoy quiet music with beautiful melodies the most out of any music in life. I do like some punk and heavy stuff like Tool, At the Drive-In or Refused, etc., but I'd take "Blue" or "Song to a Seagull" anyday over that stuff. Some other wonderful "quiet" artists are Nick Drake, Elliott Smith (First two albums) and Sufjan Stevens. I'm sure I'm forgetting someone but just wanted to share. Have a nice weekend. Wes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:33:48 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Snapshots In A Diary", Rhino Records, release date: September 14, 2004 100% JC Hold on folks! If this is what I *THINK* it is... Could it be... after all this time? Hmm. It's "related to future plans and *Other* releases". Yeah, that fits, for sure. Could it be a teaser for a DVD? Could this be familiar material but is not a reissue? I hope so. It doesn't sound like Alison Ander's documentary on the making of Both Sides Now in the UK. This can't be related to the DVD release of Refuge of the Roads. September 14th is less than 8 weeks away. I wonder how many times the title will change in that period? heh heh Seriously, this sounds mo' betta than the passed over alt band of the MINGUS tracks. Lama "Snapshots In A Diary", on Rhino Records will be released on September 14, 2004 Simon, the sage, said >on Sept. 14th Rhino Records is releasing a single-CD Anthology collection of Joni's Reprise/Elektra material titled: "Snapshots In A Diary". THIS release IS related to future plans and *Other* releases, that WILL be of great interest to members of this community. this week, a number of meetings took place and are taking place regarding the forthcoming "Snapshots In A Diary" CD. 30-sec., 60-sec., and 90-sec. commercials are being prepared for TV Broadcast use. Rhino is quite serious, but the community is going to have to be patient. there's really no point in doing otherwise.> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:42:04 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: DVD cover of "Refuge Of the Roads", 100% JC >"I knew I'd seen that face somewhere," > big Jim was thinkin' to himself. > "Maybe down in Mexico, or a picture > upon somebody's... > sh-eLLLLf" > Bob Dylan The still picture of Joni on the cover of the DVD re-issue of "Refuge Of the Roads" is at 1min: 55sec into the DVD of "Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart and Mind". Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 02:05:17 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: July 30 On July 30 the following article was published: 1979: "Charles, Joni and the Circle Game" - Village Voice (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=612 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:13:12 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: all I want revisited Below is Catherine's amazing parody on ALL I WANT (for those of you who could not be arsed to read the post).. For those that do not know Catherine, she is one of the most talented people I have ever had the luck to meet. Like our Joni she is Canadian (yay!!!!) .......At last years Fest she gave us a spine tingling rendition of Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire ... and not only that but wrote the parody of Don't Interrupt the Sorrow which Sugar Pants then interpreted as a beat poem....in the unforgettable "CEase interfering with the Sadness"... Why she is not grabbed by a journal to write ascerbic observations of the world in which we live, I have no idea.... she should be world known.... On and off list she has a cracking sense of humour and of the ridiculous. What I love about this list is that it can get mean and bitchy, it can be obsequious, it can be boringly technical, it can get a bit political, it cares, it ignores, it does all the things it does not say on the can..... And all of it based around the amazing Canadian talent of Joni Mitchell. Anyway, that is me done, sticking my head above the ramparts for a few moments on this early English morning. I have already been to the beach, the dog went swimming and a shoal of sprats went through followed by a boiling shoal of mackerel..i wish I had had my rod with me.... I so wish I could be coming to Fest..... boooooo hooooooo Good morning to you all Lucy Now read the parody and feel humble! Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:23:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: All I want revisited All I want revisited (a disgruntled fan's lament) I am on a lonely road and I am bitching Kvetching, whingeing, whining Pining for something, what can it be? Oh I hate the Geffen stuff, I hate D-E-D, still love you some Oh I love you when you bring out a new CD I want something strong, I want to sing along Do those hands you paint belong to the living? Are you still alive? Make us get up and jive! Let us sell some stocks for a boxed set of five Do you want - do you want - do you want to keep your fans, Joni? Do you want to take a chance On maybe snuffing out our old romance with you, Joni? Hey! Come ON! All I really really want our Joan to do Is to write something new for me and for you too All I really really want our Joan to do Is to shelf the Geffen and give us something new I want a boxed set, I want the Second Fret In a pretty package with your paintings on Applause, applause, or we'll stick out our claws Do you see - do you see - do you see how you're dissing us Joni? So we diss you too And we give you bad reviews. I am on a lonely road and I am bored, Joan, Waiting for something new from you Oh the Geffen stuff, the Geffen stuff is a re-release It's a re-re-release And it undoes all the good that once was Give us something fun! Make us shine like the sun! You gotta be the one that we want to hear No more starry nights! No green hands that give a fright! You need to make us feel better You owe us, Joni, You owe us, Joni dear! - ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 02:44:59 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) Oh ye of little faith. Rolling Stone would recommend it. Pete Townsendt, Jewel, Fred Simon, Robert Plant, David Lahm, Diana Krall, James Taylor would buy it. McKay would take the seats out of the car to come up with loose change to get it. (And we'd laugh along with her.) Victor would play a few house parties to get it. Paz would get comped of course but Kate would write up a glowing review for it. I'd cross-post on the Junkies' list. David Dye would play it on The World Cafe. Are you kidding? A boxed set from "the legendary" Joni Mitchell? You were setting me up, right? All the best, Lama PS, If you follow Bob Dylan you know that the official "bootleg" series has been some really cool, interesting stuff. Lori doubted, >Thinking more about this, I wonder why some of you think that there would be this HUGE market for a boxed set (that included rarities, etc.) from Joni? There has never been a "huge" market for her albums. Why would this be any different? I mean, I would buy it, as would most everyone here. Other people not on this list who are already JM fans would buy it. But beyond that?> ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #326 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)