From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #321 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 27 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 321 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) ["Steven Polifka" ] Re: more 'amazing grace' synchro --njc [Jerry Notaro ] It's a shame, it's a shame, it's a cryin' shame, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: It's a shame, it's a shame, it's a cryin' shame, NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) now NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: It's a shame, it's a shame, it's a cryin' shame, NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.c] Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) now NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) [Catherine McKay ] Re: more 'amazing grace' synchro --njc ["Mark or Travis" ] njc Gore, Kerry [vince ] Re: more 'amazing grace' synchro --njc [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:17:48 -0500 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) I love you man, but it's shear Blasphemy! Heresy I tell you! Night Ride Home parked in a basement? Wild Things Run Fast corralled? What the feck! U R A lunatic! Sheesh, Bob- you've been listening to those 300 some covers of BSN - IN A ROW- haven't you? Huh? Haven't you! It's like a drug- hard to quit and you just want more, more, more! We're gonna take your Joni Covers license away, that's what we'll do. Then tie you up and force you to listen to Dancin' Clown for two days straight. And Billy Idol (with hair SO blonde you will be blinded) will be there to give you an appropriate "take that, Muller," when you think you're just about finished with your punishment... (hee hee) Stevo . >>> 07/23/04 10:02PM >>> **Joni wants to make sure that there are future collections as beautiful as this one's going to be.** Meanwhile, the rest of us would give our eye teeth to see her retire these Geffen recordings forever! End up in Geffen's basement??? The whole damn Geffen catalog got a remastered re-release last year, and now this "best of/worst of" Geffen monstrosity (with monster ghoul hand to match) shows up! No, I won't buy it, I will not Sam I am, and the message I'm sending is JONI PLEASE DON'T DO THIS AGAIN! Continue to create or call it a day and stop. Christ. Listen to Catherine, she's smarter than me...put out a nice glossy art book for the coffee table. Like they say down in SC, this dawg don't hunt. Meanwhile, what's this "Snapshots In A Diary" that's coming out 9/14? More Geffen? After all, she hasn't re-released "Dancin' Clown" yet. **I've never seen this pic before. If Muller thought the green hand was scary, he ought to have a look at this. Lauging and smoking, you know it's the same release.** Yikes! Paging Mrs. Beetlejuice...pretty macabre indeed, but at least she's just pale and not deathbed green. Bob NP: Spirit, "New Dope In Town" PS: At least the latest covers are HOT. Richie Havens' Woodstock is astounding, done in a Wooden Ships style, very loose and folk-rockish old school - sweet. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:20:16 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: more 'amazing grace' synchro --njc Speaking of Judy, her all Leonard Cohen album is being released August 31st. It is called Democracy, as in "Democracy is coming to America..." Go Judy. Jerry > Perhaps Aretha Franklin giveth what Judy Collins hath taken away. In his > recent book on Newton, his hymn, and its musical life (Amazing Grace: The > Story of > America's Most Beloved Song), Steve Turner contrasts the night in the early > 70s when Collins sang the hymn to her encounter group in order to calm things > down -- her record producer was present, and had her include it in her next > album-with the night Franklin recorded her live, fourteen-minute version, at > the > New Temple Missionary Baptist Church in Watts. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: more 'amazing grace' synchro --njc OMG this sounds wonderful! thanks for the heads up (again)! I hope the production is not f-ed up. Em :) - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > Speaking of Judy, her all Leonard Cohen album is being released > August 31st. > It is called Democracy, as in "Democracy is coming to America..." > Go Judy. ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:06:29 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: It's a shame, it's a shame, it's a cryin' shame, NJC http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/21/opinion/21wed4.html? ex=1091507896&ei=1&en=6042dadd28459e26 Desperadoes Published: July 21, 2004 Something went awry at the Aladdin Hotel in Las Vegas last Saturday night. Linda Ronstadt did what she has done at several concerts across the country this summer. She dedicated the song "Desperado"- an encore - - to Michael Moore and urged members of the audience to go see his new movie, "Fahrenheit 9/11." Elsewhere, audiences have reacted to the mention of Mr. Moore by cheering, booing, walking out and sometimes glaring at one another in parking lots. At the Aladdin, a few audience members tore down posters, threw drinks and demanded their money back. According to one person who was present - William Timmins, the Aladdin's president - it was "a very ugly scene." Mr. Timmins promptly made it even uglier. He had Ms. Ronstadt ejected from the premises. This behavior assumes that Ms. Ronstadt had no right to express a political opinion from the stage. It implies - for some members of the audience at least - that there is a philosophical contract that says an artist must entertain an audience only in the ways that audience sees fit. It argues, in fact, that an artist like Ms. Ronstadt does not have the same rights as everyone else. Perhaps her praise for Mr. Moore, even at the very end of her show, did ruin the performance for some people. They have a right to voice their disapproval - to express their opinion as Ms. Ronstadt expressed hers and to ask for a refund. But if their intemperate behavior began to worry the management, then they were the ones who should have been thrown out and told never to return, not Ms. Ronstadt, who threatened, after all, only to sing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:52:48 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: It's a shame, it's a shame, it's a cryin' shame, NJC LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Linda Ronstadt > dedicated the song "Desperado"- an encore > - to Michael Moore and urged members of the audience to go see his new > movie, "Fahrenheit 9/11." > > Elsewhere, audiences have reacted to the mention of Mr. Moore by > cheering, booing, walking out and sometimes glaring at one another in > parking lots. At the Aladdin, a few audience members tore down posters, > threw drinks and demanded their money back. According to one person who > was present - William Timmins, the Aladdin's president - it was "a very > ugly scene." Mr. Timmins promptly made it even uglier. He had Ms. > Ronstadt ejected from the premises. I guess this reveals what some people really think of freedom.... Mr. Timmins and his ilk should think about moving to some country where they don't have inconvienient things like freedom of speech. (btw, the Aladdin is changing hands in Sept, and the new owners have invited Ms. Ronstadt and Mr. Moore to be their special guests). btw btw in the latest Rolling Stone, Bill Clinton was asked whether he had seen Moore's movie. He said he has, and was unable to detect any factual errors in it. He added that he thought every American should see it, and that he wanted to see it again, to decide if it "connected the dots a little too closely". He particularly agreed with Moore's outrage at sending the bin Laden family and other Arabs home without questioning them properly, following the worst attack on the US in it's history. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:06:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) Thanks for the love, Stevo...the line about the stuff languishing in the basement was Joni's, not mine. My whole point is not that these are all bad tunes, but rather that this compilation is totally superfluous. Although the All-Music Guide thinks differently, their review (by Thom Jurek) says: "The Beginning of Survival is a whopping, 16-track collection from Joni Mitchell's Geffen period, recorded between 1985-1998, and carefully chosen by the artist as "commentaries on the world in which we live." One has to wonder about the title; if by saying this is "the beginning of survival," Ms. Mitchell is referring to her own retirement strategybshe is no longer making new records. Or perhaps that we are now, at the end of actual living and are on the other side of the garden of Eden she referred to in her song &Woodstock" from so long ago? Are we at the beginning a new era, one in which the strategies we once used to exist in a society together have been erased and new ones come into play, where we make our way merely as individuals in isolation from and in competition with one another? Or perhaps, the question is one of beginning to survive as a culture despite the onslaught of mediated images that now cancel out "the real thing," with rampant greed and the lust for objects of desire and power rather than desire itself. The sequencing here, is so meticulous and effective that the Beginning of Survival feels like a topical song cycle rather than a compilation. Tracks trace meaning and impression onto other tracks, they inform and elucidate themes of resistance in the face of the dark deluge that began the culture war in earnest during in the 1980s, and which as come to signify the nature American society in the 21st century with no signs of anything but further fragmentation. The opening words of "The Recoccuring Dream that begin this cycle states: "This is a reoccurring dream/Born in the dreary gap between/What we have now/And what we wish we could haveb&." A line that signifies a double meaning, one that is caught between the simulacrum of what we are offered as life, and the drive for life itself. And so it goes from this screed against consumerism that follows in tracks like "the Windfall (Everything For Nothing)," and moves on to the weariness with Culture in "Dog Eat Doc," "The Beat Of Black Wings," and "Fiction," and "Sex Kills," and the meditation on other cultural and social and ecological injustices in "The Three Great Stimulants," "Lakota," the "Ethiopia," "No Apologies," "The Magdalene Laundries," to the place of the spirit and the allegories of the great spiritual lessons in "Slouching Towards Bethlehem," and "Passion Play," to the faint glimmer of hope in "Cool Water," and "Impossible Dreamer." Back and forth, around, down and in, these songs swirl with her trademark weave of jazz, rock, and pop into a long meditation on what has happened, and where we find ourselves, in this new world, truly "at the beginning of survival," deprived of the strategy of history because it has been cancelled out. This is a provocative, wonderfully articulated and gorgeously illustrated compilations (there is a series of nine of Mitchell's thematic paintings and one self portrait Mitchell adorning the booklet), that sheds not only new light on the tunes, but on Ms. Mitchell's enduring contribution. " Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:13:04 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: It's a shame, it's a shame, it's a cryin' shame, NJC Most of the Ronstadt stuff has been overstated. http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=local&story_id=072104_ronstadt Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:27:05 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: It's a shame, it's a shame, it's a cryin' shame, NJC Looks to me like most of the NY Times article agreed with the Tuscon paper. Aladdin management [in] a statement issued Monday [said] in part: "Linda Ronstadt was asked to leave the property immediately following her performance." [Ronstadt] said. "The American media has been completely hijacked by corporate interests. The news is so biased, and we've got to get it through any way that we can." It's a sad state of affairs when we have to go to singers to get the truth, because our politicians can't be trusted to tell it. RR SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Most of the Ronstadt stuff has been > overstated. http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=local&story_id=072104_ronstadt Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:35:04 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > All-Music Guide thinks differently, their review (by Thom Jurek) says: > One has to wonder > about > the title; if by saying this is "the beginning of survival," Ms. Mitchell is > referring to her own retirement strategyb I've wondered at the title, too. Seems like the beginning of survival was millions of years ago, and every day. Enigmatic, to say the least. Or vague, or hyperbolic, or ? > and moves on > to the > weariness with Culture in "Dog Eat Doc," I don't remember this one...was it the theme from a bad horror film? A giant hot dog terrorizes the ER? > This is a provocative, wonderfully articulated and gorgeously illustrated > compilations Score one for the Joanster. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:01:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) now NJC **I don't remember this one...was it the theme from a bad horror film? A giant hot dog terrorizes the ER? He might have gotten his cliches turned around...the more recent being one being "Wassup, Dog?". Then you have the classic Bugs Bunny "What's Up Doc?" and you see that the Doc & Dog are interchangeable. It is most likely with this realization that Mr. Jurek morphed Dog Eat Dog into Dog Eat Doc. Or Not. Bob NP: X, "Blue Spark" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:22:47 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: It's a shame, it's a shame, it's a cryin' shame, NJC **It's a sad state of affairs when we have to go to singers to get the truth, because our politicians can't be trusted to tell it. I agree, but I'd substitute (or add) "the media" in place of politicians, who've always been a shady breed to a certain extent. For better or worse, we Americans are so celebrity-crazy that it's almost more effective when a celebrity takes a stand. After all, you still remember what Natalie Maines (Dixie Chicks) said over a year ago. And I'm sure Linda is glad for the media exposure - her remaining shows are selling out! Bob NP: Elliott Smith, "Pictures Of Me" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:07:06 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) now NJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **I don't remember this one...was it the theme from a bad > horror film? A giant hot dog terrorizes the ER? > > He might have gotten his cliches turned around...the more recent being one > being "Wassup, Dog?". Then you have the classic Bugs Bunny "What's Up Doc?" and > you see that the Doc & Dog are interchangeable. It is most likely with this > realization that Mr. Jurek morphed Dog Eat Dog into Dog Eat Doc. Or Not. > Thanks, Bob, I can now understand his confusion, and partake thereof. > NP: X, "Blue Spark" Yeah! Rock on! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:23:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) - --- Randy Remote wrote: > > > > and moves on > > to the > > weariness with Culture in "Dog Eat Doc," > > I don't remember this one...was it the theme from a > bad > horror film? A giant hot dog terrorizes the ER? > ... or a new computer virus? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:23:22 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: more 'amazing grace' synchro --njc Jerry Notaro wrote: > Speaking of Judy, her all Leonard Cohen album is being released > August 31st. It is called Democracy, as in "Democracy is coming to > America..." > Go Judy. > > Jerry Is this going to be an album of new versions? Or a collection of her previous recordings of Cohen's songs? She did some of them so beautifully the first time, it's hard for me to imagine her improving on them. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:46:32 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: a big blue moon On July 31st there will be a blue moon. Applications are now being taken for surrealists to present their prototypes for the creation of a 31st of July night ride home. Requirements are: hula girls caterpillar tractors in the sand ukulele man fireworks silver power lines headlight beams a big dark horse red tail lights a loved one to ride beside you the open road no phones (til Friday) distance from overkill distance from overload distance from undertow The successful applicant will be assigned the task of inventing a night ride home such as is only seen on rare occasions, once in awhile, perhaps. In a blue moon. A big blue moon. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:02:59 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc Gore, Kerry seeing Al Gore speak at the Democratic convention... that good and decent man who received more votes than any other person in American history... that wise, compassionate, intellectually alive, brilliant and personable man of such courage... had he taken office, America would not be as divided as it it is now; had Gore taken office, he would not have been welded to ideology as Bush was: Bush who dismissed terrorism as a threat because his ideology called for Star Wars, Bush who set aside warnings on terrorism to pursue his only political bents. President Gore would have taken seriously the warnings on terrorism and not ignored them, If September 11th had happened, President Gore would not have sat still for seven minutes waiting to be told what to do and then fly around the country scared and frightened when the US needed its president - President Gore would have flown to DC and stood outside the Pentagon and said, "we are America, we shall not be intimidated, our vision and our commitment to justice and freedom will not be challenged by the violence of terrorists.." President Gore would have worked with the nations of the world in that moment when all the world was with us, to combat al qaeda, to strike at terrorists, and not disfuse our efforts and alienate our allies by confusing the real needs of this nation with the ideological goals of the near sect of ideologues that control the white house now. Under President Gore we would not have recession, or a jobless economy, or these historically largest ever and economically destructive deficits that will overwhelm our future. President Gore would not choose political stances that his pollsters told him he needed to play to his base as Bush has done with his dividing Americans by bogus constitutional proposals or refusing to meet with people who differ from him, as Bush has done. Gore would not have lost 1.8 million jobs, the vast majority of them manufacturing jobs, and make speeches to wealthy political donors, as Bush did, calling them "my base" which he defined as the "haves" and the "have nots" - for that lone Bush should be tossed - Gore would have understood that he was called to unite the people of the United States, not divide them. Gore would have understood what was happening in the world and responded with policies that make sense, bringing America to work with its allies rather than alienate them. Gore would not cause America to lose its status as the number one beacon of liberty and freedom and democracy in the world - as Bush has caused our image to be so tarnished and shamed by cowboy go it alone strategies. Gore would have appealed to our highest instincts and American values, not pandering to fear. Gore would have called us in the most difficult times to be true to ourselves, to be Americans, to not aside our Constitution and lock people away in camps in isolation in violation of the Geneva Conventions, in violation of the Constitution, endangering our own POWS, leaving people without information as to the charges against them, without contact with family or attorneys, and the horrors of the treatment of prisoners would not have happened and thus creating greater hostility and hatred and raise up new terrorists who hate us - Gore would have called us to live true to ourselves and show the world that we need not sacrifice one bit of what it means to be America - that it is indeed by being truest to our own American values that we are strongest and can deal with whatever confronts our nation. Gore would not lie about reasons to go to an elective war. Gore would take responsibility. Bush when asked to name any mistake he made, could not think of any and called that a "trick question." Gore would have been a president with humility, who would - unlike the current president - take responsibility for what happened under his watch. If the man the people elected, Al Gore, had taken office, America would be in a better place today, stronger, more secure, more respected, safer. Let the tired old jokes come. No, Al Gore never claimed he invented the internet but he did say that he wrote the first legislation which enabled it - which he did. Al Gore never claimed to have discovered Love Canal but he did claim to have had the first congressional hearing on it - which he did. Al Gore was elected by the people. Al Gore was the president we needed these past four years. In John Kerry we have the right candidate to undo all the things which Bush has done, to let America be America again, to act against terrorists, not against enemies of (poor) choice which lead us into quagmires rather than making America safer. John Kerry will bring America back to living as America and not as a rogue Rome which thinks it can dismiss the world with impunity with the greatest hubris seen in human history and how I fear the fall with another term of Bush. Bush must go, to save America from the path that we are going down now, unilateral isolationism and imperial arrogance disregarding the wisdom, counsel, insights, and support of our allies, let along the Bush disregard for voices of our own people because they belong to the "wrong" party and are not among the "haves and the have more" (Bush's own words) I cried watching the President who was elected, Al Gore. I cry with hope knowing that the leader my nation needs, John Kerry, is gong to win this election because we not waver in reaching out with the vision of a stronger America, a respected America, an America true itself as it has surely not been these past four years. Let America be America. The choice in this election is clear. For America to be the America of the Constitution, the America of the patriots' dreams that see beyond the years, the America of the Pledge of Allegiance of one nation with liberty and justice for all, if America is to be the America as good as its people, as honest as its people, with as much integrity as its people, the choice is clear: Kerry. We cannot allow the travesty of 2000 to repeat itself. It must be Kerry and Edwards. Now. More than ever. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:18:51 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: more 'amazing grace' synchro --njc Judy Collins has newly recorded three Leonard Cohen songs for an upcoming compilation of her interpretations of his work, due Aug. 31 from Elektra/Rhino. "Judy Collins Sings Leonard Cohen: Democracy" also features 14 of the iconic poet/novelist's songs as interpreted over the years by the veteran folk artist. New songs in the collection are "Night Comes On," "A Thousand Kisses Deep" and the title track, "Democracy." Also included is a live version of "Song of Bernadette," and such cuts as "Take This Longing" and "Bird on a Wire." Collins first covered Cohen on her 1966 album "In My Life," where she included versions of his "Suzanne" and "Dress Rehearsal Rag," which are both offered on the new collection. Quoting Mark or Travis : > Is this going to be an album of new versions? Or a collection of her > previous recordings of Cohen's > songs? She did some of them so beautifully the first time, it's hard > for me to imagine her > improving on them. > > Mark ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #321 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)