From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #319 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, July 25 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 319 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) now njc [Catherine McKay ] and other album covers ["Marianne Rizzo" ] RE: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) [Lori Fye ] Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) now njc [Em ] (NJC) Lucinda Williams discussion group [Lori Fye ] Re: cover art [Lori Fye ] more 'amazing grace' synchro --njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: and other album covers [Randy Remote ] Re: and other album covers ["Mark or Travis" ] Today's Library Links: July 25 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: more 'amazing grace' synchro --njc [JRMCo1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:52:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) now njc - --- Em wrote: > so, is Sheryl Crow like "Lucinda -lite" or what? > Em > Not in my opinion. Others may differ. I liked her first couple of albums and thought she showed great promise. But then she tanked. But you never know - she could come back with another good one. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:54:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) now 100% njc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > lawd!!!!!! this is the maddest i've evah seen mr > muller and i love it!!!!! > glory be! > > *W* He's cute when he's angry, isn't he? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:21:43 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: BSN covers and e-mail addresses To Robin Mortlock: I don't have any equipment for copying CDs to CDs; can copy to cassettes and, if my interconnections work, to open-reel tape. I no longer have a copy of your original message. Was it something like 150 covers? I don't think I'll be able to dub 150 songs to cassettes in a week, so, let's hold off. To all: The e-mail address I use for jmdl, tim_spong@hotmail.com, is a free account with only 2 MB of storage space, all but 100 KB or so of such I keep occupied with material retained indefinitely. That is going up to 250 MB at an unspecified date in the fall. The 2nd e-mail address I got, tim_spong@yahoo.com, is a free account that initially was 4 MB of storage space, but is now at 100 MB. Please use that for off-list correspondence until the hotmail.com upgrade takes place. The 3rd e-mail address I got, tim_spong@go.com, is a free account that provides 6 MB of storage space and has not announced any plan to expand. If you wish, make a note of that as an alternate in case of delivery failure at the other 2. On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, "robin mortlock" wrote, on Subject: Timothy SPong and the Joni Covers Train Hey Timothy I emailed you and your account is full - so i am sending this to you to the JMDL as you need to know all the 'rules' about sending them on when you have recorded what you need. Is your address in the US - i am assuming it is. Will send them to the address on monday. Enjoy, RObin Eric's original post: In order to enable latecomers to the list or >new traders have a chance of listening to Bob Muller's incredible >compilation of covers of Joni's songs - some 1500 in all - this begins the >launch of the Perpetual Joni Covers Trains. For those not familiar with >trading trains, here is how they work. When the disks come to you, you >make >copies of as much of the contents as you want, and then you post back to >this list offering to pass the disks along to the next person. You do not >keep the originals -- you keep the copies you made for yourself. On most >trains, the convention is that you make the copies and send the masters >along within two days. For these trains, you must agree to turn them >around >within one week. Sometimes the offer goes unclaimed. Bob and I expect >that >to happen from time to time. So, by participating, you agree to just hang >on to the disks and then make another offer a month or so later (or to >respond if somebody posts a grovel looking for them). In theory, if >everybody takes good care of the disks, wrapping them well, not letting >them >get scratched, etc. and passes them along, these covers will run on the >tracks for years. Bob copied 50+ disks for me to launch this and I have >copied them so there is a LOT of time sunk into offering these up. Nobody >is going to monitor the progress of these trains so if you participate and >then lose the disks or fail to reoffer them, you will have kept others from >enjoying them. When you post an offer, please include these "rules". One >final note, I know a few folks like to compress these into MP3s. If you >want to, go ahead but please do not send MP3s to the next person - MP3s >permanently delete some of the "data" and sound quality degrades so please >pass the masters along. > >So, anybody who would like to receive volumes 41-50, please send me: >1. Your mailing address and >2. Your prom ise to reoffer, etc. > >If you want to know what is on the disks, please see this link: > >http://www.jmdl.com/covers/byvolume.cfm _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 10:27:54 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: and other album covers >And, just for grins (and Joni content), here's the image for the LA Express >album: >http://sudo.3.pro.tok2.com/Quest/cards/L/LAExpress/ShadowPlay_x.html >Lori Thanks Lori. I went to see that (as I had not previously seen it) and I find it to be compelling. Although it is small for me to see the detail. . looks like a bunch of bodies. . . I don't really like the new album cover. I don't like the way Joni's face looks. It just feels kind of heavy and weighted down. . Well, I didn't care for the Travelogue album cover either. I was in Best buys a couple days ago. . and of course I have to see what Joni cd's they have. . . . and I saw the Geffen recordings box set for the first time. It was $52.00 (four cd's). . I didn't buy it but is was tempting. . still remembering what Lori said about perhaps buying it for a young person. . (I'm thinking a person in their late teens or twenties. . the kind of person who cares about humanity and justice, etc.) Well anyway, I was pleasantly surprised that I loved the cd cover. It seemed very natural (homegrown), simple, lovely, seemed like almost recycled paper (brownish, tannish. . like a soft paperbag) with Joni's signature in an effevescent blue green or so. . also a lovely black and white photo of Joni. (it is better to see this one in person then on the computer) I like it. I'd like to have that composition (album size) hanging in my house. . Simple, down to earth and elegant. Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:41:54 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: RE: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) Catherine wrote, of Joni's art: > I'm not sure if any of it is original or different enough so you could look > at it and identify it as a Joni Mitchell, but I could be wrong. I'm not sure Joni's art can be identified as "Joni's!" at a glance anymore, but once upon a time, it could. Back in 1979, I bought that L.A. Express album (mentioned yesterday) at a used record store because I glanced over at the Jazz section and saw "Joni's art!" from across the room. Image here: http://sudo.3.pro.tok2.com/Quest/cards/L/LAExpress/ShadowPlay.jpg Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:47:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) now njc that was dumb of me - of course they are not the same. My bad. Em - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Em wrote: > so, is Sheryl Crow > like "Lucinda -lite" or what? > > Em > > > > Not in my opinion. Others may differ. I liked her > first couple of albums and thought she showed great > promise. But then she tanked. But you never know - she > could come back with another good one. > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:49:51 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Lucinda Williams discussion group Catherine the heretic wrote: > I wonder if there's a Lucinda discussion list I could > join. I think Lucinda has become my new Joni Mitchell > (dare I speak such heresy?) There is indeed a Lucinda Williams discussion group: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/lucindawilliams/ In fact, there are two. Here's the other: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/mistresslucindawilliams/ I'd shoot for the first one, though; it has 448 members, as opposed to only 5 in the second. There's also a message board that's linked to Lucinda's own site: http://www.losthighwayrecords.com/forum/lucindawilliams/ Lori, who met Lucinda in San Antonio back in 1988 when almost no one had heard of her ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 10:28:24 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: cover art Someone wrote >I love the paintings, but I'm bored already with the front cover layout!!< Seems her album artwork has always reflected the changes & evolution of her music... she is not writing any new music now so it makes sense that her album artwork is also repeating in some ways ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:22:04 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: cover art > Someone wrote >I love the paintings, but I'm bored already with the front > cover layout!!< That was me, and although I'm still bored ... > Seems her album artwork has always reflected the changes & evolution of her > music... she is not writing any new music now so it makes sense that her > album artwork is also repeating in some ways ... this makes sense, Kate. Good point. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:37:39 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: more 'amazing grace' synchro --njc FROM: http://www.todayinliterature.com/ On this day in 1725 John Newton, the slave-trader-turned-preacher who wrote the hymn "Amazing Grace," was born. Newton's autobiography (An Authentic Narrative of some Interesting and Remarkable Particulars in the Life of John Newton, 1764) makes clear how repeatedly lost and found a wretch he was: to sea with his merchant marine father at the age of eleven; sent to Spain as a shopkeeper's apprentice at fifteen; another try as sailor in Venice at seventeen; press-ganged into service aboard an English man-of-war but such a trouble-maker that he was released to a slave-trader; abandoned by the trader to the whims of his "African princess" concubine, who starved him, and encouraged the natives to jeer and throw rocks at her white slave; a sequence of better or worse treatment by other captain-traders, and a series of broken pledges to reform a life "big with mischief"; finally, at age twenty-two, a passage home to England and, during a savage storm off the coast of Newfoundland, a born-again deliverance into evangelical Christianity. Newton eventually became a passionate abolitionist; his famous hymn eventually became popular in the slave-bound American South. In the 1830s, decades after Newton had died, Southern hymnbooks began to include "Amazing Grace" -- now so re-titled from Newton's original "Faith's Review and Expectation," and sung "shape-note" fashion to the anonymously-written tune the world now knows. The lyrics, too, had a life of their own: in Uncle Tom's Cabin, for example, lines were added to emphasize the religion; other, "disrobed" versions, such as the one made popular by Judy Collins, represent "the transmogrification of the hymn into a self-help anthem" and do not, complain some Christians, represent Newton's intent. Perhaps Aretha Franklin giveth what Judy Collins hath taken away. In his recent book on Newton, his hymn, and its musical life (Amazing Grace: The Story of America's Most Beloved Song), Steve Turner contrasts the night in the early 70s when Collins sang the hymn to her encounter group in order to calm things down -- her record producer was present, and had her include it in her next album-with the night Franklin recorded her live, fourteen-minute version, at the New Temple Missionary Baptist Church in Watts. This was in "the long meter style of the Holiness churches where the tune is pulled apart wide enough to let the spirit in," and it would have amazed Newton's Olney congregation, which had to do even their style of singing after-hours and out-of-Church. Newton himself might have been clapping along in his grave, beneath a self-written epitaph which proclaims him "an infidel and libertine. . . preserved, restored, pardoned and appointed to preach the Faith he had long laboured to destroy." Apart from the autobiography, and the Olney Hymns written with the poet William Cowper, Newton is known for his letters. These are devout and purposeful, but "the old African blasphemer" reveals himself to his parishioners as human, still spirited, and mindful of his youth: Last week we had a lion in town. I went to see him. He was wonderfully tame; as familiar with his keeper, as docile and obedient as a spaniel. Yet the man told me he had his surly fits, when they durst not touch him. No looking-glass could express my face more justly than this lion did my heart. I could trace every feature: as wild and fierce by nature; yea, much more so; but grace has in some measure tamed me. I know and love my Keeper, and sometimes watch his looks that I may learn his will. But, oh! I have my surly fits too; seasons when I relapse into the savage again, as though I had forgotten all. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:56:13 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: and other album covers Marianne Rizzo wrote: > I don't really like the new album cover. I don't like the way Joni's face > looks. It just feels kind of heavy and weighted down. . Maybe she's trying to project a certain style....but she looks kind of like Roger Waters to me. As I've said before, I think Joni could write similar songs to these in her sleep. The art book idea is a good one. This rehash ain't. Plus, if everybody on this list bought 2 copies, and somehow convinced 2 soon-to-be-former friends to buy 2 copies, it still wouldn't be enough to make a dent in the charts. Maybe she should do what Brian Epstein did on The Beatles' first record, and buy a few thousand herself. RR ps I bet most of her sales of this album will be to people who see it and think it is something new. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:53:22 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: and other album covers > ps I bet most of her sales of this album will be to people who > see it and think it is something new. I recall some years ago that Joni talked about Dog Eat Dog almost being relegated to the cut-out bins as out of print status. I believe she managed to convince Geffen to keep it in circulation. From what Jim quotes on JoniMitchell.com, it seems that she does not hold her 80s Geffen work in such low esteem as some do here and would like to see it remain available. Since she is not writing anything new, I would say her choice of material reflects what she is feeling about life and the world we live in at the present time. I understand where she's coming from in that regard. Will this collection put her on the charts and save any of her 80s back catalogue from obscurity? Most likely not. Will I buy it? Maybe. Depends on if I can get it for a good price. I won't pay $18.99 for any non-imported new single cd. But I would like to hear it. I'm sure it will be well sequenced and I always like to see her artwork. I have not to date bought the Geffen box set. Again, I'm a cheapskate when it comes to buying cds and so far haven't been able to find it for much under $50. But if I ever do find it at a price I can live with, I think having those recordings remastered for cd would be a very nice thing to have. I don't like to think of myself as being stuck in the 70s. At least not as far as Joni is concerned. Mark E. in wretchedly hot Shoreline (near Seattle) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:00:51 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: July 25 On July 25 the following article was published: 1969: "Joni Mitchell Sings Songs of City in Central Park" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=804 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:12:44 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: more 'amazing grace' synchro --njc What an incredible story! I had no idea. Thanks, Bob. Synchro indeed. - -Julius Smurfycopy@aol.com writes: > On this day in 1725 John Newton, the slave-trader-turned-preacher who wrote > > the hymn "Amazing Grace," was born... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #319 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)