From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #317 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, July 24 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 317 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Snapshots in a Diary??? ["Ross, Les" ] RE: Snapshots in a Diary??? Call off the Search... ["Ross, Les" ] Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? Now non-ghoulish books [Em ] (Some JC) Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain [Lori Fye ] (NJC) DC & Birmingham JoniFests [Lori Fye ] njc draft Bruce ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] Re: Subject: DJRD Music Book ["amelio747" ] Timothy SPong and the Joni Covers Train ["robin mortlock" ] NJC Re: Subject: DJRD Music Book NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: Snapshots...Now Todd Rundgren [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Songs for Sharin' (Bad Joni pun) [Catherine McKay ] Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) [Catherine McKay ] Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) [Bill Dollinger ] Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) [Em ] RE: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) [Catherine McKay ] Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) now njc [Catherine McKay ] richie havens now njc ["Ron" ] CAS [Em ] RE: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:59:29 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Snapshots in a Diary??? While browsing for more information on the TBOS thingy, Amazon.com list Joni Mitchell's Snapshots in a Diary with a release date of September 14 2004. I'm assuming it's music. Has anyone else heard of this? Have I missed something...again? Les (London) Np. Keane - She has no time ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:11:14 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RE: Snapshots in a Diary??? Call off the Search... It's a Rhino Records collection or whatever.... ..... god is that the time?! I really must get on with......zzzzzz ~* Les Np Todd Rundgren - Godsaid > -----Original Message----- > From: Ross, Les > Sent: 23 July 2004 07:59 > To: 'Joni@smoe.org' > Subject: Snapshots in a Diary??? > > While browsing for more information on the TBOS thingy, Amazon.com list > Joni Mitchell's Snapshots in a Diary with a release date of September 14 > 2004. I'm assuming it's music. > > Has anyone else heard of this? Have I missed something...again? > > Les (London) > > Np. Keane - She has no time ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 01:23:39 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Re: For the Rufus Wainwright fans... NJC Gosh, I must have missed the original thread "For the Rufus Wainwright fans...." So what was it? Also, the Rufus fans might want to know that next Friday and Saturday night, at the Hollywood Bowl, Rufus is opening, with the LA Symphony behind him, for k.d. lang, and will be doing a 35 minute set, including: from the debut CD, "Baby" and "Millbrook", and from Want one, "Oh What A World" with Ravel's Bolero for real behind him, and from Want two, "Little Sister". as well as "Vibrate" from Want one, and "Poses" from... Poses ~Richard, n.p. Laura Nyro and Labelle- "Desiree" and "It's Gonna Take A Miracle" from the soundtrack of "A Home At The End Of The World" >Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:29:57 +0100 >From: Garret >Subject: Re: For the Rufus Wainwright fans... NJC > >> > GARRET >> > >> > np- Bette Midler, Hello In There >> >> OK. Now this is TOO eerie. Hello In There is my absolute favorite song in >> the world, especially by Bette Midler. I have sung it in concert dozens of >> times, and over all the years remains my number one favorite today! Almost >> sang it at Jonifest last year. > > >The ways in which this list works, eh? Lol. I really love that song too. >Bette's voice and that song go together so well. Maybe you'll sing it at this >years Jonifest?? I'd love to hear that. I heard you blew the crowds away last >year Jerry. I won't make it this year but i'm sure a recording >would make it's >way my direction. >Think i'll start plotting to make it to the following Jonifest (i've been >building up to it since 2000!). Given my level of procrastination >it would take >me at least that long to prepare;-) >GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:26:08 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about >The hand doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the 4th similar layout for >the front cover. TI, TTT, Travelogue and now TBOS. I love the paintings, but I'm bored already with the front cover layout!! Or ... are these layouts just confined to albums with names that begin with the letter "T"? Lori, missing covers like Court And Spark >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now me: Lori I was just to write a post exactly like yours! I don't mind the hand nor the painting - I mind the lack of imagination in the cover design! Being a designer, I am probably drawn to covers too much (and sometimes buy a cd or a book only because of the cover), but come on! how about changing the template? Raf, missing covers like Mingus and DJRD. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 05:55:16 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Snapshots in a Diary??? Call off the Search... **Np Todd Rundgren - Godsaid Is that a great song or what, Les? One of my favorites on that record. I love the lines like "You're not worshipping me, you're worshipping yourself". Great stuff. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:51:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about Lori wrote: >What bothers me is the > 4th similar layout for > >the > front cover. TI, TTT, Travelogue and now TBOS. I > love the paintings, but > I'm > bored already with the front cover layout!! --- Raffaele Malanga wrote: > > I was just to write a post exactly like yours! I > don't mind the hand nor the > painting - I mind the lack of imagination in the > cover design! Being a > designer, I am probably drawn to covers too much > (and sometimes buy a cd or > a book only because of the cover), but come on! how > about changing the > template? I think maybe Joni has fallen to the nasty "branding" concept - everything has to have the same look, so you know it's "Joni Mitchell brand." Same layout, same font, all that. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:56:21 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: winter down here and weather question - NJC Wally wrote: > we've had the usual masses of antarctic air that brought the temps down to > 10 below (what's that in american degrees?) and the windchill to 15 or 20 > below. and then, all of a sudden, it's 15 degrees. fecking spring > weather. i > mean, one day you can't start your car, next morning you're in your TTT > t-shirt. how can one survive these weather changes???? > how's it going in NZ, hell? (notice i wrote a comma.) In a word, COLD (for us, at least)! And also wet - we've had major flooding in the eastern part of the North Island, and several people have been killed in slips and mud slides. There's millions of dollars in damage - and they've had earthquakes at the same time, just to add to the misery. > why are winters warmer in auckland, sidney and south africa than in buenos > aires if the latitude is the same??? I think it's related to prevailing winds, and probably altitude as well. It certainly gets cold, especially with a southerly wind (coming from the Antarctic), and there's snow closing roads only 400km (250 miles) away from me right now. Auckland doesn't get snow (and rarely frosts), but we're at sea-level, and we're also sub-tropical so the temperatures are never extreme. We can get some pretty good foggy mornings though, with absolutely zero visibility - which makes driving to work "interesting", to say the least! The South Island is temperate, and have much larger extremes in temperature - the highest and lowest temperatures ever recorded in NZ were in the South Island (only 300km apart). And here ends the NZ climatology lesson for today..... I must say though, people from the US and Canada tend to feel the cold here much more than the locals. Mainly because most homes aren't centrally heated, so the house is cold when you wake up in the morning and when you come home at night - and it takes a while for the heaters and fires to warm things up. So, after saying all that, I'm off to the beach next week for some fishing - and hoping that at least it will be "fine", if not terribly warm! Hell - who's just written more in one post than I think I've written in the last six months! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 04:28:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? Now non-ghoulish books Thanks Bob, and others who have upped this info about the book. :) Em - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **The Mendel *was* selling her book up until recently, > but I just checked and it's now out of print :-( > > It's constantly on ebay, at first copies were fetching $150-$200. Now > you > have a couple of sellers and they generally close out around $50/$60. > Here's one > you can buy now for $69.95 or bid for $55: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29223&item=6914222885&r > d=1 > > And there's a StarArt too: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=378&item=6913537999&rd= > 1 > > Bob > > NP: Jefferson Airplane, "Lather" > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:29:13 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: winter down here and weather question - NJC Hell writes: << And here ends the NZ climatology lesson for today..... >> Those poor pipis must be freezing their gonads off. - --Smurf, who slept with the fan running last night for the first time this year "The Beach Boys didn't curse. Cursing is a bunch of malarkey." - --Brian Wilson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:40:32 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RE: NJC Re: Snapshots...Now Todd Rundgren Agreed! I saw him just last week here in town*. the venue was great but the sound was borderline doo-doo which is surprising for todd, being a 'production' kinda guy. thought he'd be all over that like a rash. the gig was the first time i'd heard the songs from liars. the more 'rock' stuff like mammon (which has a kinda tom waits growl about it don't you think?) really suffered. but the blissed out soul stuff like godsaid, sweet and past just made the hair on my arms stand up. so i bought the record from the dependably cheap CDWow. Half the price they are here in the UK and sent in from Hong Kong in four days. lyrically this is his finest work though a couple of the songs aren't really working for me so far. saying that, he's a great unacknowledged talent imo. *he signed the show off with hello it's me and just one victory. it was like calling the faithful home after a 'swing' version of born to synthesise threatened to induce mass abandonment of the will to live. the last time i saw him was edinburgh and i was young, entirely played solo (with tapes, ahem) and he was brilliant. vocally he's every bit as strong as he was then. time hasn't discernably deteriorated either his range or warmth. bonkers black and blonde hair and outfits though. he wore a calf length brocade coat buttoned all the way down, three inch platform boots marilyn manson stylee and wrap-arounds. half way through he changed into a tormented bright orange linen suit. oy. baby-boomers (of which there were very many) in the audience shifted uneasily in their seats. plug! plug! have you had a chance to listed to Keane's record Hopes and Fears? blimey brilliant. hooky, rocky, melancholy, buy-me kinda experience. Don't heed anyone who tells you it's coldplay revisited. these guys are the real deal and not a guitar in sight. les (heretical guitaristo) - -----Original Message----- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com [mailto:SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Sent: 23 July 2004 10:55 To: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk; Joni@smoe.org Subject: NJC Re: Snapshots in a Diary??? Call off the Search... **Np Todd Rundgren - Godsaid Is that a great song or what, Les? One of my favorites on that record. I love the lines like "You're not worshipping me, you're worshipping yourself". Great stuff. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:45:50 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: RE: dc jonifest, hello in there, etc. njc <> oh wowwww... speaking of synchronicity - suze cameron and i were goofing off, talking on IM yesterday when we were *supposed* to be working, and the idea of "southern fried 'fest" was born. sometime early this spring, here in birmingham (alabama, not michigan - thought you yankees might want to come thaw out for a while), and i'm pretty sure that i have a performance space venue that we can hijack for an evening (http://www.moonlightmusiccafe.com/), and i definitely have plenty of floor to camp out on and refrigerator space to make beer cold at the house. anyhow - just a thought at this point, but if there's interest, i'll keep thinking. as for DC - can i come too? i think SWA flies to BWI for like $59 r/t, if you catch a deal. cindy, soooo sad about missing NEJF, but excited about seeing y'all elsewhere. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:36:11 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: amazing grace njc Colin> I go to a spiritual meeting every week. sometimes more. tonight i took the meeting. I have no say over what music is or isn't played or sung. every week since June 12th, Amazing Grace has been chosen by whoever. Not a common song at such meetings. I feel MG every time.< On that very same note I heard 'the wind cries mary' yesterday (I have not heard this song in many moons) driving home from work & thought immediately of mg... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:44:38 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (Some JC) Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain Raf wrote: > Being a designer, I am probably drawn to covers too much (and sometimes buy a > cd or a book only because of the cover) I'm not a designer (although I piddle around with graphics programs all day at work), but I've done the same thing. I bought Joy Division's "Unknown Pleasures" because of the cover -- I had never heard them until I set the record on the turntable. And, in a weird case of instant synchronicity, I was JUST about to write that I also bought LA Express's "Shadow Play" because of the cover (which was painted by Joni), but decided to see if I could find the image for "Unknown Pleasures"... Here's the image, with the word "shadowplay" in the url (weird, huh?): http://www.lwtua.free-online.co.uk/shadowplay/image/jd_unknown.jpg And, just for grins (and Joni content), here's the image for the LA Express album: http://sudo.3.pro.tok2.com/Quest/cards/L/LAExpress/ShadowPlay_x.html Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:30:08 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: RE: dc jonifest, hello in there, etc. njc Cindy asked: > as for DC - can i come too? i think SWA flies to BWI for like $59 r/t, if > you catch a deal. Of course you can come too!! Everyone is invited!! Let's do this!!! And ... I like the idea of a Birmingham JoniFest, too!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:42:19 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: winter down here and weather question - NJC Wally wondered? > we've had the usual masses of antarctic air that brought the temps down to > 10 below (what's that in american degrees?) 14 below. Here's a cool converter for temperature and lots of other things: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/pub/metcon.shtml > and the windchill to 15 or 20 below. and then, all of a sudden, it's 15 > degrees. fecking spring weather. i mean, one day you can't start your car, > next morning you're in your TTT t-shirt. TTT t-shirt? Sounds like you're still shivering to me! ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:43:40 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: NJC - wait, I was wrong! - -10C = 14F, or 14 ABOVE. Still pretty cold, though! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:29:11 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) DC & Birmingham JoniFests As there seems to be some real interest in getting together in DC (and Birmingham!) sometime in the near future, here's a place (that's been in existence for awhile) where we can go to discuss ideas: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JMDLminifest/ Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:00:31 -0400 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: njc draft Bruce http://draftbruce.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:10:55 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: Subject: DJRD Music Book > Did you find the unused words to "Paprika Plains" already? I know they're in the songbook. I think they're in the LP and CD too but don't hold me to it. Nope mine doesn't! My CD does though! Imagine if she actually used those words too, I get impatient enough with already with this song ;) NP: Malcolm In The Middle - on TV - I love this show! * * * * * * Stephen " The lower down you go to gain your momentum from, the higher up it'll propel ya' " - Judee Sill - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 12:52 AM Subject: Subject: DJRD Music Book > > Lama, > tanned and relaxed after getting my 'fix' from the Junkies last weekend. Man, I was jonesing real bad too. > > >Recently got the DJRD Music book in really good condition for a really good > price too! I can't read sheet music but I just think they are wonderful > things to have. Anyway I'm amazed to see the full music for 'Paprika Plains' > in there - no less than 19 pages folks!> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:53:24 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: Timothy SPong and the Joni Covers Train Hey Timothy I emailed you and your account is full - so i am sending this to you to the JMDL as you need to know all the 'rules' about sending them on when you have recorded what you need. Is your address in the US - i am assuming it is. Will send them to the address on monday. Enjoy, RObin Eric's original post: In order to enable latecomers to the list or >new traders have a chance of listening to Bob Muller's incredible >compilation of covers of Joni's songs - some 1500 in all - this begins the >launch of the Perpetual Joni Covers Trains. For those not familiar with >trading trains, here is how they work. When the disks come to you, you >make >copies of as much of the contents as you want, and then you post back to >this list offering to pass the disks along to the next person. You do not >keep the originals -- you keep the copies you made for yourself. On most >trains, the convention is that you make the copies and send the masters >along within two days. For these trains, you must agree to turn them >around >within one week. Sometimes the offer goes unclaimed. Bob and I expect >that >to happen from time to time. So, by participating, you agree to just hang >on to the disks and then make another offer a month or so later (or to >respond if somebody posts a grovel looking for them). In theory, if >everybody takes good care of the disks, wrapping them well, not letting >them >get scratched, etc. and passes them along, these covers will run on the >tracks for years. Bob copied 50+ disks for me to launch this and I have >copied them so there is a LOT of time sunk into offering these up. Nobody >is going to monitor the progress of these trains so if you participate and >then lose the disks or fail to reoffer them, you will have kept others from >enjoying them. When you post an offer, please include these "rules". One >final note, I know a few folks like to compress these into MP3s. If you >want to, go ahead but please do not send MP3s to the next person - MP3s >permanently delete some of the "data" and sound quality degrades so please >pass the masters along. > >So, anybody who would like to receive volumes 41-50, please send me: >1. Your mailing address and >2. Your prom ise to reoffer, etc. > >If you want to know what is on the disks, please see this link: > >http://www.jmdl.com/covers/byvolume.cfm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help STOP spam with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:17:57 +0100 From: Garret Subject: RE: software NJC Hi guys, thanks for all the advice. it sometimes amazes me how little i know about computers given that i use one for hours every day! GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:50:27 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Subject: DJRD Music Book NJC **NP: Malcolm In The Middle - on TV - I love this show! Great show with an outstanding theme song (Boss Of Me) by They Might Be Giants. Bob NP: The Allman Brothers, "Hoochie Coochie Man" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:54:51 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Snapshots...Now Todd Rundgren Excellent review, Les - I'm jealous that you got to see him on this tour, maybe he'll swing by close enough for me to catch him. And you're dead on about his voice - a VERY powerful instrument and so soulful. I had to warm up to the more techno stuff but it didn't take me long as the focus is on his melodies and lyrics and not just creating a monotonous rhythm track. Liars remains my fave CD for 2004. I've seen your posts about Keane, so I've got 'em on my checkout list. Bob NP: Creedence Clearwater Revival, "Fortunate Son" (speaking of outstanding songs - and relevant ones, sadly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:18:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Songs for Sharin' (Bad Joni pun) - --- Em wrote: > I would love to be part of this - but I don't, at > this time , have a CD > burner. Why do I need that? > Hoping to get one soon though. > Em Did anyone answer your question? You don't NEED a CD burner to take part in this, although ultimately you will certainly want one. As long as you can listen to music on your computer, you can download songs and concerts and then turn around and share them with other people. (The last time Les set this up, I had downloaded a lot of stuff, hadn't backed it up and lost it all when my hard disc crashed - D'OH!) There's loads of Joni stuff, and a whole bunch of other people too. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:18:32 -0400 From: Subject: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) Did anyone else read the lastest news on the official site? http://www.jonimitchell.com/Frames1.html I think Joni wants to make new cover *ART* every year to keep her ghoulish hand in. If the market stays the heck away, maybe she'll get her back up. I picture her pouting for an instant then picking up a legal pad, a pen, her cigarrettes and heading outside. Once out in fresh air, the curiosity comes back... She "tunes to the sonic references available"... our own MG (living eternally as a Muse) takes the form of a gentle breeze and whispers in her ear... then... another latter-day, left field miracle like "Harlem In Havana" condenses out of thin air. Lama, impossible dreamer? PS, Can a songwriter record ideas on an iPod? We got a few albums out of the VG-8. Maybe she is waiting for a new tool to work with. That would be a clever gift from the JMDL for her birthday: a songwriting kit. Talk about dualism. It says 1. We love you AND 2. Get back to work! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:29:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) - --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Did anyone else read the lastest news on the > official site? > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/Frames1.html > > I think Joni wants to make new cover *ART* every > year to keep her ghoulish hand in. If the market > stays the heck away, maybe she'll get her back up. > I picture her pouting for an instant then picking up > a legal pad, a pen, her cigarrettes and heading > outside. Are you talking about this: "Joni has a favor to ask of you. Joni and I talked for some time tonight about all of us getting a little "conspiracy" together for the release of The Beginning of Survival. How can you help? By purchasing the CD on July 27, the day it's due in stores. Tell your friends. Let's help Joni get her new CD onto the charts. "There's a very good reason for this: Joni wants to make sure that there are future collections as beautiful as this one's going to be. It's an unfortunate truth that how a CD sells when it first comes out can make or break an artist's chances for having a say on future releases. Joni doesn't want what she considers her best work to end up "in Geffen's basement." She wants to be sure that she can continue to give us releases with her latest paintings, more than just a disc inside a plastic box. "Joni's really happy with this CD. "When they see it, they'll love it, and they'll want to share it with people," she told me. "Buy two and hold on to one of them to give away as a Christmas present!" I promised her I would, of course, and hope you all will too." - ---------------------------------------- Me now: I find this tres bizarre. I think the chick is twisted. Flip city. Ooby shooby. Why the feck doesn't she just produce a really nice -- AND BIG -- art book? I'd buy it - hell, I'd buy two, maybe even three - however many I can get away with before Mastercard turns me down. Most of us have already got these songs. (Really?) Yeah, OK, you can get art with this CD. But it's CD-sized art. You'd need a fecking telescope to see it properly. Now if it were LP-size, that would be different, but we ain't going back there no more. (whine whine, bitch bitch. Obviously I just don't get it. So what. Get over it.) On a whole 'nother topic, I went over to jonimitchell.com and realized I hadn't been there for quite a while, so it was kind of fun poking around. I had a look at the "art" section (galleries in the frames index), and within that, the sheet music covers. If you've never seen this before, you really must scoot on over there and take a look at part 6, the sheet music cover from "In France they kiss on Main Street." "Allo. My name eez Zhoni Meetchell and yes, zees eez a cigarrrrette I am zmoking, so peese off, you seely bourgeois americain and leave me ze 'ell alone! C'est l'amour de la cigarette, not sheep deezplay!" I've never seen this pic before. If Muller thought the green hand was scary, he ought to have a look at this. Lauging and smoking, you know it's the same release. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:43:00 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) I agree - as much as I urge people to support Joni, I don't see buying this (that's just me, I still urge everyone else to do as instructed ;-) I have all these songs, and can program the sequence into my ipod. I have cds all stored away anymore, and I agree with Catherine about the artwork being small. I would buy an artbook, for certain. Bill On Jul 23, 2004, at 10:29 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Did anyone else read > the lastest news on the >> official site? >> >> http://www.jonimitchell.com/Frames1.html >> >> I think Joni wants to make new cover *ART* every >> year to keep her ghoulish hand in. If the market >> stays the heck away, maybe she'll get her back up. >> I picture her pouting for an instant then picking up >> a legal pad, a pen, her cigarrettes and heading >> outside. > > Are you talking about this: > > "Joni has a favor to ask of you. Joni and I talked for > some time tonight about all of us getting a little > "conspiracy" together for the release of The Beginning > of Survival. How can you help? By purchasing the CD on > July 27, the day it's due in stores. Tell your > friends. Let's help Joni get her new CD onto the > charts. > > "There's a very good reason for this: Joni wants to > make sure that there are future collections as > beautiful as this one's going to be. It's an > unfortunate truth that how a CD sells when it first > comes out can make or break an artist's chances for > having a say on future releases. Joni doesn't want > what she considers her best work to end up "in > Geffen's basement." She wants to be sure that she can > continue to give us releases with her latest > paintings, more than just a disc inside a plastic box. > > > "Joni's really happy with this CD. "When they see it, > they'll love it, and they'll want to share it with > people," she told me. "Buy two and hold on to one of > them to give away as a Christmas present!" I promised > her I would, of course, and hope you all will too." > > ---------------------------------------- > > Me now: I find this tres bizarre. I think the chick is > twisted. Flip city. Ooby shooby. Why the feck doesn't > she just produce a really nice -- AND BIG -- art book? > I'd buy it - hell, I'd buy two, maybe even three - > however many I can get away with before Mastercard > turns me down. > > Most of us have already got these songs. (Really?) > Yeah, OK, you can get art with this CD. But it's > CD-sized art. You'd need a fecking telescope to see it > properly. Now if it were LP-size, that would be > different, but we ain't going back there no more. > (whine whine, bitch bitch. Obviously I just don't get > it. So what. Get over it.) > > On a whole 'nother topic, I went over to > jonimitchell.com and realized I hadn't been there for > quite a while, so it was kind of fun poking around. I > had a look at the "art" section (galleries in the > frames index), and within that, the sheet music > covers. > > If you've never seen this before, you really must > scoot on over there and take a look at part 6, the > sheet music cover from "In France they kiss on Main > Street." > > "Allo. My name eez Zhoni Meetchell and yes, zees eez a > cigarrrrette I am zmoking, so peese off, you seely > bourgeois americain and leave me ze 'ell alone! C'est > l'amour de la cigarette, not sheep deezplay!" > > I've never seen this pic before. If Muller thought the > green hand was scary, he ought to have a look at this. > Lauging and smoking, you know it's the same release. > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:02:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) **Joni wants to make sure that there are future collections as beautiful as this one's going to be.** Meanwhile, the rest of us would give our eye teeth to see her retire these Geffen recordings forever! End up in Geffen's basement??? The whole damn Geffen catalog got a remastered re-release last year, and now this "best of/worst of" Geffen monstrosity (with monster ghoul hand to match) shows up! No, I won't buy it, I will not Sam I am, and the message I'm sending is JONI PLEASE DON'T DO THIS AGAIN! Continue to create or call it a day and stop. Christ. Listen to Catherine, she's smarter than me...put out a nice glossy art book for the coffee table. Like they say down in SC, this dawg don't hunt. Meanwhile, what's this "Snapshots In A Diary" that's coming out 9/14? More Geffen? After all, she hasn't re-released "Dancin' Clown" yet. **I've never seen this pic before. If Muller thought the green hand was scary, he ought to have a look at this. Lauging and smoking, you know it's the same release.** Yikes! Paging Mrs. Beetlejuice...pretty macabre indeed, but at least she's just pale and not deathbed green. Bob NP: Spirit, "New Dope In Town" PS: At least the latest covers are HOT. Richie Havens' Woodstock is astounding, done in a Wooden Ships style, very loose and folk-rockish old school - sweet. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:02:35 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) OK I'll say the thing for which you all will kick me out of the Joni club --I really don't think very much of her visual art is all that good. So it wouldn't make me buy the latest recycling of the previously released. And I agree with Catherine. When I read that on jonimitchell.com I said, "Hey, now I'm *really* not going to buy it!" I would buy any album with original compositions by Joni Mitchell--even if it was laden with both 80's synthesizers and overblown orchestral arrangements, but if she wants her fans to conspire to help her to the top of the pops, then I say she better write some fecking Joni Mitchell songs! I intend to boycott all product that doesn't give us something new. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Bill Dollinger Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 10:43 PM To: Catherine McKay Cc: joni@smoe.org; jlamadoo@fuse.net Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) I agree - as much as I urge people to support Joni, I don't see buying this (that's just me, I still urge everyone else to do as instructed ;-) I have all these songs, and can program the sequence into my ipod. I have cds all stored away anymore, and I agree with Catherine about the artwork being small. I would buy an artbook, for certain. Bill On Jul 23, 2004, at 10:29 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Did anyone else read > the lastest news on the >> official site? >> >> http://www.jonimitchell.com/Frames1.html >> >> I think Joni wants to make new cover *ART* every >> year to keep her ghoulish hand in. If the market >> stays the heck away, maybe she'll get her back up. >> I picture her pouting for an instant then picking up >> a legal pad, a pen, her cigarrettes and heading >> outside. > > Are you talking about this: > > "Joni has a favor to ask of you. Joni and I talked for > some time tonight about all of us getting a little > "conspiracy" together for the release of The Beginning > of Survival. How can you help? By purchasing the CD on > July 27, the day it's due in stores. Tell your > friends. Let's help Joni get her new CD onto the > charts. > > "There's a very good reason for this: Joni wants to > make sure that there are future collections as > beautiful as this one's going to be. It's an > unfortunate truth that how a CD sells when it first > comes out can make or break an artist's chances for > having a say on future releases. Joni doesn't want > what she considers her best work to end up "in > Geffen's basement." She wants to be sure that she can > continue to give us releases with her latest > paintings, more than just a disc inside a plastic box. > > > "Joni's really happy with this CD. "When they see it, > they'll love it, and they'll want to share it with > people," she told me. "Buy two and hold on to one of > them to give away as a Christmas present!" I promised > her I would, of course, and hope you all will too." > > ---------------------------------------- > > Me now: I find this tres bizarre. I think the chick is > twisted. Flip city. Ooby shooby. Why the feck doesn't > she just produce a really nice -- AND BIG -- art book? > I'd buy it - hell, I'd buy two, maybe even three - > however many I can get away with before Mastercard > turns me down. > > Most of us have already got these songs. (Really?) > Yeah, OK, you can get art with this CD. But it's > CD-sized art. You'd need a fecking telescope to see it > properly. Now if it were LP-size, that would be > different, but we ain't going back there no more. > (whine whine, bitch bitch. Obviously I just don't get > it. So what. Get over it.) > > On a whole 'nother topic, I went over to > jonimitchell.com and realized I hadn't been there for > quite a while, so it was kind of fun poking around. I > had a look at the "art" section (galleries in the > frames index), and within that, the sheet music > covers. > > If you've never seen this before, you really must > scoot on over there and take a look at part 6, the > sheet music cover from "In France they kiss on Main > Street." > > "Allo. My name eez Zhoni Meetchell and yes, zees eez a > cigarrrrette I am zmoking, so peese off, you seely > bourgeois americain and leave me ze 'ell alone! C'est > l'amour de la cigarette, not sheep deezplay!" > > I've never seen this pic before. If Muller thought the > green hand was scary, he ought to have a look at this. > Lauging and smoking, you know it's the same release. > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:11:46 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) Muller writes: << After all, she hasn't re-released "Dancin' Clown" yet. >> Damn! I curse that fact anew every day. Cherchez la femme, indeed! - --Smurf, who would have loved to see more collaborations with Billy Idol. Man, that Larry Klein was the shot in the arm Joni's career needed back then . . . "The Beach Boys didn't curse. Cursing is a bunch of malarkey." - --Brian Wilson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:09:56 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) Preach it, sister! Amen! Tell it! Thank ya, Jesus! How'd she like to see her name on the publsher's hot seller list for an art book this Christmas instead of looking in "Radio And Records" or "Billboard"? In my dweams we buy and the Barnes and Noble book buyer says, >"Women are disproportionately represented among book buyers. Literate women are disproportionately represented among Ms. Mitchell's audience. This is a natural for us. When asked Joni to go on a book signing tour, like former president Clinton did, she sat up and took notice. She'll be starting and ending in Cincinnati, Ohio."> Brother Lama npimh: "too cool to be forgotten / hey hey" Who was that? Which album? Catherine McKay wrote: > Why the feck doesn't > she just produce a really nice -- AND BIG -- art book? > I'd buy it - hell, I'd buy two, maybe even three - > however many I can get away with before Mastercard > turns me down. > > Most of us have already got these songs. (Really?) > Yeah, OK, you can get art with this CD. But it's > CD-sized art. You'd need a fecking telescope to see it > properly. Now if it were LP-size, that would be > different, but we ain't going back there no more. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:23:21 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) **--Smurf, who would have loved to see more collaborations with Billy Idol. Man, that Larry Klein was the shot in the arm Joni's career needed back then . . . Dude, you better hope that a major lightning storm doesn't pass through or your ass is grass. Really though, this TBOS thing is pretty insulting. I mean, does Joni (or her mgmt) think that we're so starry-eyed that we'll just bend over and buy anything, if all it has some new thumbnail-sized paintings? Gimme some credit for having the intelligence and tenacity it takes to be a Joni Mitchell fan in 2004. As I've said before, this release has NO market whatsoever. Bob NP: Mike Bloomfield/Al Kooper, "Dear Mr. Fantasy" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:27:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) dang ya'll are in fine form tonight! its refreshing to hear this anarchy! soon; wine flowing through the gutters..and knitting.... Em NP Last Chance (bit I'm gonna put it back on TI) - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Muller writes: > > << After all, she hasn't re-released "Dancin' Clown" yet. >> > > > Damn! I curse that fact anew every day. Cherchez la femme, indeed! > > --Smurf, who would have loved to see more collaborations with Billy > Idol. > Man, that Larry Klein was the shot in the arm Joni's career needed > back then . . > . > > > "The Beach Boys didn't curse. Cursing is a bunch of malarkey." > > --Brian Wilson > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:30:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > OK I'll say the thing for which you all will kick > me out of the Joni > club --I really don't think very much of her visual > art is all that good. > > So it wouldn't make me buy the latest recycling of > the previously released. I doubt you'd get kicked out for that. I'd buy an art book simply because it's Joni doing it. I like her art well enough that I'd buy it because it's *her* art, but am not generally blown away by most of her stuff. I like some of it. I'm not sure if any of it is original or different enough so you could look at it and identify it as a Joni Mitchell, but I could be wrong. (The self-portraits don't count.) I don't have an art background and my eyesight sucks anyway! I definitely don't want the micro-sized versions of it with the bonus re-re-re-released Geffen stuff. Is she selling art with a bonus of music, or music with a bonus of art? Either way doesn't do much for me. If she wants to push her art, she needs a different format. I'm with you in that I want some NEW stuff, dammit! It can even be mediocre, as long as it's new; if not new, then previusly unreleased old stuff. Joni must have something to say, in words and music. If not, Joni, if you're listening, there are a whole bunch of us out here (OK, maybe not that many, LOL, but I'm sure many more than want another box of stuff you just re-released recently) that would be happy to buy a boxed set of your early, unreleased stuff, or any of the alternate versions of things that we've only heard about. And you could put a whole lot of art in it too, but please make it a real box, and not that weird overpriced promotional candy/hatbox version that BSN came in (I didn't buy that version anyway 'cause I thought it looked goofy and I'm cheap), and anyway, those things don't fit really well onto a shelf. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:47:18 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) > npimh: > "too cool to be forgotten / hey hey" > Who was that? Which album? > Don't know if this inquiry was meant to be serious but you would be referring to Lucinda Williams from 'Car Wheels on a Gravel Road'. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:03:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) now njc - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > npimh: > > "too cool to be forgotten / hey hey" > > Who was that? Which album? > > > Don't know if this inquiry was meant to be serious > but you would be referring to Lucinda Williams > from 'Car Wheels on a Gravel Road'. > Yeah, but he spelled it wrong. It's 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten. (Almost had a panic attack for a minute! thought my ex- had taken my Car Wheels! Was ready to go over to his place and attack him with a spoon!) I wonder if there's a Lucinda discussion list I could join. I think Lucinda has become my new Joni Mitchell (dare I speak such heresy?) Aww hell, it's late. I'm tired. Good night! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 21:15:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) now njc so, is Sheryl Crow like "Lucinda -lite" or what? Em - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > > npimh: > > > "too cool to be forgotten / hey hey" > > > Who was that? Which album? > > > > > Don't know if this inquiry was meant to be serious > > but you would be referring to Lucinda Williams > > from 'Car Wheels on a Gravel Road'. > > > > Yeah, but he spelled it wrong. It's 2 Kool 2 Be > 4-Gotten. (Almost had a panic attack for a minute! > thought my ex- had taken my Car Wheels! Was ready to > go over to his place and attack him with a spoon!) > > I wonder if there's a Lucinda discussion list I could > join. I think Lucinda has become my new Joni Mitchell > (dare I speak such heresy?) > > Aww hell, it's late. I'm tired. Good night! > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 06:22:23 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: richie havens now njc hi >>>>bob wrote >>>>PS: At least the latest covers are HOT. Richie Havens' Woodstock is astounding, done in a Wooden Ships style, very loose and folk-rockish old school - sweet.<<<< ok - im hooked. ill be buying the new album - cause - guess what - the only havens recording i own is on the woodstock album. now how did that happen - i love that one track yet ive never gone further with his music?? so heres my question - what are the crucial albums of his to buy at the same time so i can bring my havens collection up to scratch?????? ron np - pre dawn birds outside ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 21:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: CAS listening to this after many months of not hearing it. wow! is it so WRONG to desire more of this??? top notch... yep. maybe travel in space and time to a parallel universe and there would be the "other" CAS. :P em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:59:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) lawd!!!!!! this is the maddest i've evah seen mr muller and i love it!!!!! glory be! *W* > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Enviado el: Sabado, 24 de Julio de 2004 12:02 a.m. > Para: anima_rising@yahoo.ca; jlamadoo@fuse.net; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) > > > **Joni wants to > make sure that there are future collections as > beautiful as this one's going to be.** > > Meanwhile, the rest of us would give our eye teeth to see her > retire these > Geffen recordings forever! End up in Geffen's basement??? The > whole damn Geffen > catalog got a remastered re-release last year, and now this "best > of/worst of" > Geffen monstrosity (with monster ghoul hand to match) shows up! > No, I won't > buy it, I will not Sam I am, and the message I'm sending is JONI > PLEASE DON'T > DO THIS AGAIN! > Continue to create or call it a day and stop. Christ. Listen to > Catherine, > she's smarter than me...put out a nice glossy art book for the > coffee table. > Like they say down in SC, this dawg don't hunt. > > Meanwhile, what's this "Snapshots In A Diary" that's coming out > 9/14? More > Geffen? After all, she hasn't re-released "Dancin' Clown" yet. > > **I've never seen this pic before. If Muller thought the > green hand was scary, he ought to have a look at this. > Lauging and smoking, you know it's the same release.** > > Yikes! Paging Mrs. Beetlejuice...pretty macabre indeed, but at > least she's > just pale and not deathbed green. > > Bob > > NP: Spirit, "New Dope In Town" > > PS: At least the latest covers are HOT. Richie Havens' Woodstock is > astounding, done in a Wooden Ships style, very loose and > folk-rockish old school - > sweet. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #317 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)