From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #315 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, July 23 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 315 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: saying grace -njc [colin ] Re: Simon and Garfunkel NJC [Garret ] Re: Good for a laugh, now proper DJRD etiquette [Deb Messling ] Jonifest 2004 Store Now Open!! [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Mendel exhibition book [Deb Messling ] Re: my anniversary [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: For the Rufus Wainwright fans... NJC [Garret ] Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? What ghoulish hand??? ["Steven Polifka] life njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE:incarnation ["robin mortlock" ] (NJC) The Future of JoniFests [Lori Fye ] RE: 46 fecking years old, NJC [Lori Fye ] RE: What's with the ghoulish hand? (NJC) [Lori Fye ] bst, clayton thomas, nyro, njc ["mackoliver" ] Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM [Lori Fye ] RE: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM ["Richard Flynn" ] (NJC & PC) John Kerry desktop wallpaper [Lori Fye ] Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover [Lori Fye ] amazing grace njc [tantra_apso ] Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover omg content [Em ] Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM [Bill Dollinger ] Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM [Bill Dollinger ] Subject: DJRD Music Book [] Zen Master buys a hot dog, part 2, njc [] RE: What's with the ghoulish hand? [Catherine McKay ] Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover [Catherine McKay ] Re: Subject: What's with the ghoulish hand? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Subject: What's with the ghoulish hand? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: bst, clayton thomas, nyro, njc [Gary Zack ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:16:24 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: saying grace -njc "that we appreciate the good food, the party, and all our good fortune, thank you very much Aunt Jean and the powers that be." you wrote the above and that is your answer.It keeps it simple and open. my opnion anyway. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:03:40 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Simon and Garfunkel NJC Quoting Chris Marshall : >> > (rufus is performing a few songs in HMV oxford street at six this > > evening, and > > then doing a signing session if there are any london based JMDLers > > without plans > > knocking around i'll be there with bells on:-) > > Is that a new look for summer 2004, or something old you've > dragged out of the wardrobe? > I knew my christmas tree look would come back in if i waited long enough...;-) If only thick sweaters with plastic spoons stuck on would get the attention they deserve i'd be cool again, lol. GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:41:02 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Good for a laugh, now proper DJRD etiquette Hey wise guy, the only reason I remember the date I bought Clouds is that it was the day before the moon landing. My sister talked me into buying it because she didn't want to spend her own money. I liked it so much that on moon landing day, I wanted to stay in my room listening to it, and my father had to yell upstairs to get me down to the TV to watch the astronauts. At 09:13 PM 7/21/2004 -0400, you wrote: > Or better yet, ask Deb Messling. I'll bet she meticulously always placed > the same LP >in the same sleeve; after all, she remembers the date she BOUGHT the thing! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:04:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: What's with the ghoulish hand? RE: all the horror among ye, apparently generated by that cover painting..(which I like, by the way - the denims are divine)...all I can say is YOU try living in turbulent indogo for all those years, and see if *your* brush doesn't spawn the occaisional greenish hand or other oddity. lol. eh??? I think an artist has attained freedom when she's not afraid for her kinks or blemishes to show. Picasso was never afraid of showing whatever blew out his ass, and so he scaled great heights. Others too. But ssooooooooo many others remain uptight. I like the imperfection and I like having to wonder whether a greenish hand is implying a relationship to the soil/earth, or whether it suggests vitriol/poison. Or if its somehow a reference to LeGuin's "Left Hand of Darkness". ( I know, thats a reach) Who knows? I find it pretty fascinating. Does anyone know if that gallery in Canada that did her big retrospective show sells a catalog or book, of the displayed work? I'd like to buy one, if so, for my Mom, who has the coffee-table-book thing going on in a big way, and then I could, of course get to look at it too. Joni's painting blows me away. Idiosynchratic or not. My tarnished .02. Em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:08:20 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2004 Store Now Open!! Hi Everyone, The Jonifest 2004 store is now open! You can order mugs, t-shirts, etc. by going to: www.jonifest.com and clicking on the link at the top of the page. If you are going to Jonifest this year, you will already receive a mug FREE as well as FREE shipping for anything else you order. I *know* that this information will have all of you rushing to sign up, so you can also conveniently click the link right near the store link to sign up for Fest!! ALL ORDERS **AND** MONEY MUST BE IN BY AUGUST 1st!!!!!!!!!!!! See you at Jonifest! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:38:24 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Mendel exhibition book Yes, there was a book: Voices - The Work ( works ) of Joni Mitchell - illustrated with color paintings by Joni Mitchell (ISBN:1896359280). I believe it is out of print, but it is available through used bookstores. I just searched abebooks.com and saw two copies, at $69 and $75. I personally love the book; there are a couple of really beautiful paintings. Another book with lots of Joni's artwork is Starart, by Debby Chesher. It also includes artwork by John Mayall, Cat Stevens, Klaus Voorman, Ron Wood, and Commander Cody. Also out of print, and hard to find a copy under $100. At 05:04 AM 7/22/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone know if that gallery in Canada that did her big >retrospective show sells a catalog or book, of the displayed work? I'd >like to buy one, if so, for my Mom, who has the coffee-table-book thing >going on in a big way, and then I could, of course get to look at it >too. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:41:24 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: my anniversary In a message dated 7/20/2004 6:00:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: Yesterday, July 19, was the 35th anniversary of my buying Clouds - my first Joni album. Yikes, I'm old. So, here it is, right here. The reason I found this list and stay here year after year. If I made this statement to "the general public" they would probably roll their eyes, wonder how I could possibly get to this age and *still* not have a life, and probably be thinking that the asylums must have very liberal rules about letting people out for a breath of fresh air. But here on the JMDL, most of us are saying, "How cool!!" :-D Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:29:57 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: For the Rufus Wainwright fans... NJC > > GARRET > > > > np- Bette Midler, Hello In There > > OK. Now this is TOO eerie. Hello In There is my absolute favorite song in > the world, especially by Bette Midler. I have sung it in concert dozens of > times, and over all the years remains my number one favorite today! Almost > sang it at Jonifest last year. The ways in which this list works, eh? Lol. I really love that song too. Bette's voice and that song go together so well. Maybe you'll sing it at this years Jonifest?? I'd love to hear that. I heard you blew the crowds away last year Jerry. I won't make it this year but i'm sure a recording would make it's way my direction. Think i'll start plotting to make it to the following Jonifest (i've been building up to it since 2000!). Given my level of procrastination it would take me at least that long to prepare;-) GARRET np- Dusty Springfield, Goin back - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:27:17 -0500 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? What ghoulish hand??? Okay, enough about the ghoulish hand! That painting is a reverse of the original pic taken for GAP. I downloaded it and examined it in photoshop 2 weeks ago and it looks okay to me. Whenever you reverse things, they don't look 'right'. (So I need to acknowledge that.) As a final for an art class, we had to do mirror self-portraits in charcoal. It didn't really look like me (according to my mother) until she looked at it in a mirror. Then she said, "Oh, now I get it..." Steve wondering why he's defending Joni's art... >>> 07/21/04 04:53PM >>> I've seen the cover of TBOS a number of times now, and just today I was looking at the cover painting in detail (as best as I CAN look at it on my computer screen). Besides the fact that the self-portrait is from a 15-year old photo (cheap visual plastic surgery!) and the eyes aren't right (too high on the face, too beady, too close together), what stuck out today was the GHOUL hand! Look at that left hand...brownish-green, gnarly and nasty. Looks like something from "Night Of The Living Dead" or something...why in the world would someone use green paint to define their own flesh tone? Yikes. Now I'm gonna have nightmares about JONI'S BONY GHOULISH HAND like it's the goddam tell-tale heart or something. See it for yourself, just don't blame me if you get creeped out: http://www.jonimitchell.com Bob, reeling in terror NP: Billy Davidson, "Night Ride Home" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:18:58 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: life njc Colin >The older I ge the more me I become and I really get a kick out of that. Gone are the days i'd be whatever I felt was wanted. I have gone from someone who couldn't stand being alone to now prefering my own company. From someone who didn't have an opinion cos I wanted to be liked too much to someone who knows being liked is not important. Who now knows that living with integrity is the most important thing and that being hated for who i am is preferable to being loved for who i am not. I am grateful to have been around long enough to discover these things. < beautifully said colin! Seeds of a cool song... joni are you listening?! >Reincarnation sounds like a pretty good idea but, if the point is to learn from a past life, how come no one ever remembers it?< Ah but we do (imo), in subtle ways in our cellular memory.. Kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:26:05 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: RE:incarnation Subject: Re: again Re: a rumor about Lori..... NJC - Catherine writes: Reincarnation sounds like a pretty good idea but, if the point is to learn from a past life, how come no one ever remembers it? Really, Catherine? You don't remember your past lives? Are you have a -- ahem - - -- memory problem? I know that in my last life, in the first half of the 20th century, I was a who died. Before that, in Victorian times, I was a trollop who died. And in the life previous to that, like around the time of the Civil War, I was a common camp follower who died. So what have I learned? It's simple: old s die. - --Smurf I posted a while ago about Metamorphosis - a healing 'technique' devised by Robert St John which integrates the pre-natal period and pre-conception. He developed the philosophy and practice over many years. His view on re-incarnation was something like this - when we die we return to all that is but leave behind our thought patterns - when we have a past life experience all we are doing is pickng up on thought patterns left behind - our affinity with those is karmic and conditioned by our own inherited thought patterns. Metamorphosis as a practice is a way of 'morphing' inherited thought patterns which we acquire at conception point. morphingly, spideog - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help STOP spam with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:12:03 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) The Future of JoniFests > Happy birthday, Lori. Many happy returns. I hope there's some kind of > future for JoniFests but.... Thanks Jim, for the birthday wishes. As for the future of JoniFests, this may not be the time to start this conversation but what the heck ... The only way there will be a future for JoniFest is if WE make it happen. That means somebody (or somebodies) stepping up to the plate and making it happen. Because of the financial risk and the lack of someone (other than Ashara) willing to literally sign their name to accept certain responsibilities, we may not be able to ever have another fest like the ones we've had at Full Moon. Otoh, it's something we can all discuss and perhaps pursue. In the meantime: if you're STILL on the fence about JoniFest ... GET OFF THE FENCE AND BE THERE! August 26-30! www.jonifest.com Lori, ready to camp and party and swim and stuff ... http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/jf0209p1.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:16:15 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: RE: 46 fecking years old, NJC > happy birthday, dear lori!!!! sorry i was SO late! Oh Wally honey, I know you're on gay time! ; ) Thanks Wally, Laura, and EVERYONE, for all the wonderful wishes!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:41:32 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: RE: What's with the ghoulish hand? (NJC) > Picasso was never afraid of showing whatever blew out his ass, and so > he scaled great heights. Em, you have SUCH a way with words. ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:18:30 -0400 From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: John Gorka concert tonight in a NJ park njc John Gorka will be performing this evening starting at 7 pm in the Deer Path Park, Flemington NJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:01:22 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: For the Rufus Wainwright fans... NJC Let's just say Patti was *performing* pirate jenny, lol. It's dramatic but i'm not sure how much singing there is in it! From some museum show she did in NY last year or the year before. I have it on video somewhere, she does a lot of her own stuff too (poetry and singing if i remember correctly). I am hoping to catch a good performance of threepenny opera soon. I missed one not so long ago, from what i hear. GARRET np- Bette Midler, Hello In There Quoting Jerry Notaro : > Thanks, Garrett. It sure interested me! I love Rufus and always enjoy > hearing about his appearances. > > Also, Patti Smith singing Pirate Jenny!!!!!! Saw The Threepenny Opera in > NYC > a few weeks back. It was breathtaking. > > Jerry > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:50:11 -0500 From: "mackoliver" Subject: bst, clayton thomas, nyro, njc I love the city. Yes, I do. Music stores everywhere. Yippee. Scored some great ones today. Blood, Sweat, and Tears Greatest. Where are the David Clayton Thomas' of today? All I hear are generic voices that sound the same, each and every one. Was listening to 'and when I die' which, of course, I have heard before but paying much more attention this time since now know more about Nyro and that she penned the tune. Wondered who the one child was that was born to carry on? 'go naturally' made me very sad. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:25:28 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM > See it for yourself, just don't blame me if you get creeped out: > > http://www.jonimitchell.com The hand doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the 4th similar layout for the front cover. TI, TTT, Travelogue and now TBOS. I love the paintings, but I'm bored already with the front cover layout!! Or ... are these layouts just confined to albums with names that begin with the letter "T"? Lori, missing covers like Court And Spark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:39:22 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: GAP photo on TBOS cover Steve P. wrote: > That painting is a reverse of the original pic taken for GAP. Now THAT's an interesting choice, considering the songs Joni chose for TBOS and that fact that someone remarked a few weeks ago about Joni's hypocrisy in doing that GAP ad. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:55:30 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM Why doesn't Joni MItchell.com or amazon list the tracks? Using your imagination or sequencing your old CD tracks to play on your computer, does this sound like a pleasant listening experience to you? 01 . The Reoccurring Dream 02 . The Windfall (Everything for Nothing) 03 . Slouching Towards Bethlehem 04 . Dog Eat Dog 05 . Fiction 06 . The Beat of Black Wings 07 . No Apologies 08 . Sex Kills 09 . The Three Great Stimulants 10 . Lakota 11 . Ethiopia 12 . Cool Water 13 . Tax Free 14 . The Magdalene Laundries 15 . Passion Play (The Story of Jesus and Zachius...the Little Tax Collector 16 . Impossible Dreamer - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:25 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM > See it for yourself, just don't blame me if you get creeped out: > > http://www.jonimitchell.com The hand doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the 4th similar layout for the front cover. TI, TTT, Travelogue and now TBOS. I love the paintings, but I'm bored already with the front cover layout!! Or ... are these layouts just confined to albums with names that begin with the letter "T"? Lori, missing covers like Court And Spark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:56:04 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover **someone remarked a few weeks ago about Joni's hypocrisy in doing that GAP ad. That would have been me...and I stick to my comments, not that she shouldn't have done the ad, who cares about that, but when you put out preachy schlock like "Reocurring Dream" it comes off as a double standard when you instruct others not to be conspicuous consumers while shilling for GAP stores yourself. Here's a GAP photo, by the way...I don't think it's the one she modeled the painting after: http://www.jonimitchell.com/GapAd90.html Bob NP: Motley Crue, "Dr. Feelgood" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:05:00 -0400 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: bst, clayton thomas, nyro, njc Hi Mack, Well as fate would have it, Laura did have one son. His name is Gil and he is I believe, in his teens now and an aspiring rapper. Laura samples or uses Gil's voice as a baby in one of her songs. Best, Gary mackoliver wrote: >I love the city. Yes, I do. Music stores everywhere. Yippee. Scored some >great ones today. Blood, Sweat, and Tears Greatest. Where are the David >Clayton Thomas' of today? All I hear are generic voices that sound the same, >each and every one. Was listening to 'and when I die' which, of course, I >have heard before but paying much more attention this time since now know more >about Nyro and that she penned the tune. Wondered who the one child was that >was born to carry on? 'go naturally' made me very sad. > >mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:13:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover njc now - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Here's a GAP photo, by the way...I don't think it's the one she > modeled the > painting after: Damn she's fine in jeans.... sigh... em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:16:05 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC & PC) John Kerry desktop wallpaper So we have a new project manager at my job, a young woman of 28 who seems nice enough, but then a little while ago she sent an "evite" to everyone in the office and this was the subject: "Montgomery County Young Republicans has sent you an Evite" ACK!! It turned out to be a fundraiser for Juvenile Diabetes, which is a wonderful cause but still ... This drove me to immediately look for something I could put on my desktop to make myself feel better, and I found a whole bunch of stuff here: http://www.johnkerry.com/download/ Of course you don't really need to download anything; just open what you want and right-click on the image and choose "Set as Background." I chose this one: http://www.johnkerry.com/download/submitted/kerry-world1024.gif I'm actually thinking of redesigning it to replace "John Kerry" with "Anyone But Bush," but that will have to wait until tomorrow. Whew ... feeling a little better now (although still not thrilled that the GOP now has my work email address), Lori - -- Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:32:12 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover Bob wrote: > **someone remarked a few weeks ago about Joni's hypocrisy in doing > that GAP ad. > > That would have been me...and I stick to my comments, not that she shouldn't > have done the ad, who cares about that, but when you put out preachy schlock > like "Reocurring Dream" it comes off as a double standard when you instruct > others not to be conspicuous consumers while shilling for GAP stores > yourself. I'm not saying that I disagree with you. I think Joni's choice of image is interesting, though, because I can't imagine she didn't give a great deal of thought to it. > Here's a GAP photo, by the way...I don't think it's the one she modeled the > painting after: > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/GapAd90.html I reversed that photo and positioned it next to the cover image and uploaded them here: http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/Joni-TBOS-gapad.jpg The images are very similar, and I think Steve's right. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:35:11 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover Em wrote what I believe is still Joni content: > Damn she's fine in jeans.... > sigh... This one is way better, imo: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0609600087.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg Lori, who finds the name of the jpeg very intriguing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:29:35 +0100 From: tantra_apso Subject: amazing grace njc I go to a spiritual meeting every week. sometimes more. tonight i took the meeting. I have no say over what music is or isn't played or sung. every week since June 12th, Amazing Grace has been chosen by whoever. Not a common song at such meetings. I feel MG every time. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:39:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover omg content OMG! thanks for sharing, Lori! :P em - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Em wrote what I believe is still Joni content: > > > Damn she's fine in jeans.... > > sigh... > > This one is way better, imo: > http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0609600087.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg > > Lori, > who finds the name of the jpeg very intriguing > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:28:08 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM My friend Alan and I have a running joke that listening to Natalie Merchant (who we both enjoy) is like getting a spanking. this list reminded me of that. a lot of scolding in those tracks. Bill On Jul 22, 2004, at 5:55 PM, Richard Flynn wrote: > Why doesn't Joni MItchell.com or amazon list the tracks? > > Using your imagination or sequencing your old CD tracks to play on your > computer, does this sound like a pleasant listening experience to you? > > > 01 . The Reoccurring Dream > 02 . The Windfall (Everything for Nothing) > 03 . Slouching Towards Bethlehem > 04 . Dog Eat Dogrflynn@frontiernet.net > 05 . Fiction > 06 . The Beat of Black Wings > 07 . No Apologies > 08 . Sex Kills > 09 . The Three Great Stimulants > 10 . Lakota > 11 . Ethiopia > 12 . Cool Water > 13 . Tax Free > 14 . The Magdalene Laundries > 15 . Passion Play (The Story of Jesus and Zachius...the Little > Tax > Collector > 16 . Impossible Dreamer > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Lori > Fye > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:25 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually > complain about something JM > > >> See it for yourself, just don't blame me if you get creeped out: >> >> http://www.jonimitchell.com > > > The hand doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the 4th similar layout > for > the > front cover. TI, TTT, Travelogue and now TBOS. I love the paintings, > but > I'm > bored already with the front cover layout!! > > Or ... are these layouts just confined to albums with names that begin > with > the > letter "T"? > > Lori, > missing covers like Court And Spark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:37:21 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? > Picasso was never afraid of showing whatever blew out his ass, and so > he scaled great heights. Are you referring to his "Blew" period? (sorry, couldn't resist) > I like the imperfection and I like having to wonder whether a greenish > hand is implying a relationship to the soil/earth, or whether it > suggests vitriol/poison. > Or if its somehow a reference to LeGuin's "Left Hand of Darkness". ( I > know, thats a reach) > Who knows? > I find it pretty fascinating. > I think it's to imply an earthiness (back to the garden being the beginning of survival. my 2 cents... Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:50:14 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM Bill (presumably somewhere down the road from me in DC but I've still never met you!) wrote: > My friend Alan and I have a running > joke that listening to Natalie Merchant > (who we both enjoy) is like getting a spanking. > > this list reminded me of that. a lot of scolding in those tracks. That's funny! And surely true. And now, consider the "GAP" cover photo and this, the opening to the 1st cut which is > 01 . The Reoccurring Dream : This is the reoccurring dream Born in the dreary GAP between What we have now And what we wish we could have LOL ... go, Joni!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:51:25 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: amazing grace njc > I go to a spiritual meeting every week. sometimes more. tonight i took > the meeting. I have no say over what music is or isn't played or sung. > every week since June 12th, Amazing Grace has been chosen by whoever. > Not a common song at such meetings. > I feel MG every time. That's beautiful, Colin. I know MG is still here with us, in many ways. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:56:44 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM hey Lori, where are you in dc? I live in adams morgan. I have been offlist for a while, but just rejoined. And just in time , I think, since the file sharing is sooooo incredible! Bill On Jul 22, 2004, at 6:50 PM, Lori Fye wrote: > Bill (presumably somewhere down the road from me in DC but I've still > never met > you!) wrote: > >> My friend Alan and I have a running >> joke that listening to Natalie Merchant >> (who we both enjoy) is like getting a spanking. >> >> this list reminded me of that. a lot of scolding in those tracks. > > That's funny! And surely true. > > And now, consider the "GAP" cover photo and this, the opening to the > 1st cut > which is >> 01 . The Reoccurring Dream : > > > This is the reoccurring dream > Born in the dreary GAP between > What we have now > And what we wish we could have > > > LOL ... go, Joni!! > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:15:40 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM Bill asked me: > where are you in dc? I live in adams morgan. > I have been offlist for a while, but just rejoined. > And just in time , I think, since the file sharing > is sooooo incredible! Yep, I need to check out the file sharing situation soon. As for where I am, I work in Bethesda and live in Aspen Hill (MD). JMDL Janet Hess is somewhere near the zoo, and you know there may be more ... Maybe a DC JoniFest is something we should be gettin' together!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:32:01 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: NJC RE: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM Oh for my home town, you two! I lived in DC from 1963-1988 (age 8 to age 33). My last address was 15th & R--rught near you, Bill! I am constantly homesick! Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Bill Dollinger Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 6:57 PM To: Lori Fye Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM hey Lori, where are you in dc? I live in adams morgan. I have been offlist for a while, but just rejoined. And just in time , I think, since the file sharing is sooooo incredible! Bill On Jul 22, 2004, at 6:50 PM, Lori Fye wrote: > Bill (presumably somewhere down the road from me in DC but I've still > never met > you!) wrote: > >> My friend Alan and I have a running >> joke that listening to Natalie Merchant >> (who we both enjoy) is like getting a spanking. >> >> this list reminded me of that. a lot of scolding in those tracks. > > That's funny! And surely true. > > And now, consider the "GAP" cover photo and this, the opening to the > 1st cut > which is >> 01 . The Reoccurring Dream : > > > This is the reoccurring dream > Born in the dreary GAP between > What we have now > And what we wish we could have > > > LOL ... go, Joni!! > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:48:33 -0400 From: Subject: Subject: What's with the ghoulish hand? Catherine in Toronto said, >LOL! Silly Bob! I'd be curious to see the portrait in larger size.> Here ya go: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002IQI9W.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg Lama, who notes that on Amazon, big shots of covers are usually just a click away. They're just a click away. Click away. Click away. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:52:46 -0400 From: Subject: Subject: DJRD Music Book Did you find the unused words to "Paprika Plains" already? I know they're in the songbook. I think they're in the LP and CD too but don't hold me to it. Lama, tanned and relaxed after getting my 'fix' from the Junkies last weekend. Man, I was jonesing real bad too. >Recently got the DJRD Music book in really good condition for a really good price too! I can't read sheet music but I just think they are wonderful things to have. Anyway I'm amazed to see the full music for 'Paprika Plains' in there - no less than 19 pages folks!> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:04:08 -0400 From: Subject: Zen Master buys a hot dog, part 2, njc A few weeks ago, several people knew how the Zen Master ordered a hot dog. ("Make me 'one' with everything.") Here's part 2: The Zen Master paid with a $20 bill. The vendor put it in the cash drawer and started whistling a happy tune. So the Zen Master says, "Hey dude. Like... where's my change?" What did the vendor say? All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:15:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: What's with the ghoulish hand? - --- Em wrote: > > Does anyone know if that gallery in Canada that did > her big > retrospective show sells a catalog or book, of the > displayed work? I'd > like to buy one, if so, for my Mom, who has the > coffee-table-book thing > going on in a big way, and then I could, of course > get to look at it > too. The Mendel *was* selling her book up until recently, but I just checked and it's now out of print :-( Hey! maybe that means I can sell mine for big bucks on E-Bay!!! Naaaah, I wanna keep it. Just to tease people, both amazon.com and amazon.ca have it listed... but then no way to buy it! And they've still got her "memoirs" listed as coming out in 2005 - I wonder if that will ever happen? I'd love to read that, whenever she's ready. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:21:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: bst, clayton thomas, nyro, njc - --- mackoliver wrote: Was listening to 'and when I > die' which, of course, I > have heard before but paying much more attention > this time since now know more > about Nyro and that she penned the tune. Wondered > who the one child was that > was born to carry on? 'go naturally' made me very > sad. > She did have one child - a son. But then again, she wrote the song before he was even a gleam in someone's eye. Maybe she was a prophet? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:16:08 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: NJC RE: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM yeah, where are you living these days? if not far, come for a dc joni party On Jul 22, 2004, at 7:32 PM, Richard Flynn wrote: > Oh for my home town, you two! I lived in DC from 1963-1988 (age 8 to > age > 33). My last address was 15th & R--rught near you, Bill! > > I am constantly homesick! > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Bill > Dollinger > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 6:57 PM > To: Lori Fye > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually > complain about something JM > > > hey Lori, > > where are you in dc? I live in adams morgan. > I have been offlist for a while, but just rejoined. > And just in time , I think, since the file sharing > is sooooo incredible! > > Bill > > On Jul 22, 2004, at 6:50 PM, Lori Fye wrote: > >> Bill (presumably somewhere down the road from me in DC but I've still >> never met >> you!) wrote: >> >>> My friend Alan and I have a running >>> joke that listening to Natalie Merchant >>> (who we both enjoy) is like getting a spanking. >>> >>> this list reminded me of that. a lot of scolding in those tracks. >> >> That's funny! And surely true. >> >> And now, consider the "GAP" cover photo and this, the opening to the >> 1st cut >> which is >>> 01 . The Reoccurring Dream : >> >> >> This is the reoccurring dream >> Born in the dreary GAP between >> What we have now >> And what we wish we could have >> >> >> LOL ... go, Joni!! >> >> Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:25:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC RE: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain ... **if not far, come for a dc joni party Hey, I'm in (assuming that's OK)...Independence Air just started flying GSP to Dulles for $79. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:28:13 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: NJC RE: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain ... sounds like a winner !! On Jul 22, 2004, at 9:25 PM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **if not far, come for a dc joni party > > Hey, I'm in (assuming that's OK)...Independence Air just started > flying GSP to Dulles for $79. > > Bob > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:33:31 -0500 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: bst, clayton thomas, nyro, njc Gary wrote: > > Well as fate would have it, Laura did have one son. His name is Gil and > he is I believe, in his teens now and an aspiring rapper. Laura samples > or uses Gil's voice as a baby in one of her songs. Hi Gary. I don't feel as if the one to carry on that Laura writes about is her son. Rather, as each of us dies and our spirits pass from this place, another is created and takes the place left there. The one that arrived when she departed is there somewhere in this world. For whatever we fail to accomplish, someone else will pick up the torch and continue on. At least I like to think so. mack np: missy and more missy > > Best, > > Gary > > mackoliver wrote: > > >I love the city. Yes, I do. Music stores everywhere. Yippee. Scored some > >great ones today. Blood, Sweat, and Tears Greatest. Where are the David > >Clayton Thomas' of today? All I hear are generic voices that sound the same, > >each and every one. Was listening to 'and when I die' which, of course, I > >have heard before but paying much more attention this time since now know more > >about Nyro and that she penned the tune. Wondered who the one child was that > >was born to carry on? 'go naturally' made me very sad. > > > >mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:34:46 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover **The images are very similar, and I think Steve's right. Cool! Thanks for doing that Lori - I stand corrected, it was definitely the same pic, only when the pic was taken that HAND was still alive. Bob, staying up all night to avoid the Ghoul Hand nightmares NP: Grateful Dead, "Good Morning Little Schoolgirl" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Here's a GAP photo, by the way...I don't think it's > the one she modeled the > painting after: > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/GapAd90.html > Have another look and compare to this: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002IQI9W.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg Open up two windows and put them side by side. It's the same pic, but flopped, and Joni has added a natural background - some water and mountains and she's in a kind of van Gogh-ish field. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:52:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Subject: What's with the ghoulish hand? - --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Catherine in Toronto said, > >LOL! Silly Bob! I'd be curious to see the portrait > in > larger size.> > > > Here ya go: > http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002IQI9W.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg > > Lama, > > who notes that on Amazon, big shots of covers are > usually just a click away. They're just a click > away. Click away. Click away. > No, I'm talking MEGA big. As in actual size. I want to see the texture and the real colours. I'm not sure this is as green as it appears to be on screen. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:41:38 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? Now non-ghoulish books **The Mendel *was* selling her book up until recently, but I just checked and it's now out of print :-( It's constantly on ebay, at first copies were fetching $150-$200. Now you have a couple of sellers and they generally close out around $50/$60. Here's one you can buy now for $69.95 or bid for $55: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29223&item=6914222885&r d=1 And there's a StarArt too: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=378&item=6913537999&rd= 1 Bob NP: Jefferson Airplane, "Lather" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:02:10 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: moon landing njc I liked it > so much that on moon landing day, I wanted to stay in my room > listening to it, and my > father had to yell upstairs to get me down to the TV to watch the > astronauts. > 'They planted a flag and hit a golf ball. There is now a flag and a golf ball on the moon. I mean is this happening or is it the hash?' .............................................. 'The moon walk was something else, wasn't it? With one giant step....mankind took banality out of America and into the Cosmos.' - - Lily Tomlin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:30:55 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: What's with the ghoulish hand? **No, I'm talking MEGA big. As in actual size. I want to see the texture and the real colours. I'm not sure this is as green as it appears to be on screen. So right click on the image, do a "save picture as" and save it as a file you can open with Photoshop or any picture viewing software that will allow you to zoom. Just don't get too close to the YOU KNOW WHAT. It might reach out and GRAB ya. Bob NP: New Riders Of The Purple Sage, "Henry" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:49:34 -0400 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: bst, clayton thomas, nyro, njc I agree Mack. I just think it's interesting that she did have just one child, not two or three, etc., and in a strange sort of way, made the words to her own song come true. The words to "And When I Die" can be related directly to Laura and her life, as well as have a more universal meaning too. Best, Gary mackoliver wrote: >Gary wrote: > >>Well as fate would have it, Laura did have one son. His name is Gil and >>he is I believe, in his teens now and an aspiring rapper. Laura samples >>or uses Gil's voice as a baby in one of her songs. >> > > Hi Gary. I don't feel as if the one to carry on that Laura writes about >is her son. Rather, as each of us dies and our spirits pass from this >place, another is created and takes the place left there. The one that >arrived when she departed is there somewhere in this world. For whatever we >fail to accomplish, someone else will pick up the torch and continue on. At >least I like to think so. > >mack > >np: missy and more missy > >>Best, >> >>Gary >> >>mackoliver wrote: >> >>>I love the city. Yes, I do. Music stores everywhere. Yippee. Scored >>> >some > >>>great ones today. Blood, Sweat, and Tears Greatest. Where are the David >>>Clayton Thomas' of today? All I hear are generic voices that sound the >>> >same, > >>>each and every one. Was listening to 'and when I die' which, of course, >>> >I > >>>have heard before but paying much more attention this time since now know >>> >more > >>>about Nyro and that she penned the tune. Wondered who the one child was >>> >that > >>>was born to carry on? 'go naturally' made me very sad. >>> >>>mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:13:17 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: moon landing, dc jonifest, hello in there, etc. njc on one of the moon-landing anniversaries a couple of years back, i posted my memory, which is being at my grandmother's house in stockton, california at the age of 11, watching the landing and first walk, then going out to swim in her portable pool, floating on my back, looking up at the moon in the sky and feeling near to bursting with the joy of the possibilities of the world. i was doing awe-robics long before jane wagner and lily tomlin coined the word. at the end of this post are the lyrics to 'monochrome', a brilliant song by the sundays about being a child on the night of the first moonwalk. now about a dc jonifest: i've been looking for an excuse to make it down there so if one comes together, i'm taking the crazy chinese bus and showing up! after all, i know lori fye, janet hess and bill dollinger! (who once played the original, john prine version of 'hello in there' for me, the only time i've ever heard his version). i threw that in for synchronicity. patrick, proud jimdle pod person since 1996 np - nelly mckay, get away from me - --------------------- > OK. Now this is TOO eerie. Hello In There is my absolute favorite song in > the world, especially by Bette Midler. I have sung it in concert dozens of > times, and over all the years remains my number one favorite today! - --------------------- > >'They planted a flag and hit a golf ball. There is now a flag and >a golf ball on the moon. I mean >is this happening or is it the hash?' >.............................................. >'The moon walk was something else, wasn't it? With one giant >step....mankind took banality out of >America and into the Cosmos.' > >- Lily Tomlin - --------------------- Its 4 in the morning july in 1969 Me and my sister We crept down like shadows Theyre bringing the moon right down to our sitting room Static and silence and a monochrome vision Theyre dancing around Slow puppets silver ground And the world is watching with joy We hear a voice from above and its history And we stayed awake all night And something is said and the whole room laughs aloud Me and my sister Looking on like shadows The end of an age as we watched them walk in a glow Lost in space, but I dont know where it is Theyre dancing around Slow puppets silver ground And the stars and stripes in the sand We hear a voice from above and its history And we stayed awake all night Theyre dancing around It sends a shiver down my spine And I run to look in the sky and I half expect to hear them asking to come down (oh) will they fly or will they fall? To be excited by a long late night ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:23:45 +1000 From: Melissa Subject: Re: Good for a laugh, now proper DJRD etiquette - NJC >Unless you're in Australia, where of course everything is backwards like right now they're having winter while I sit in the sweltering SC heat.> It9s not too bad here in Sydney - maximum 18 degrees (celsius) today. I should be grateful that at least you realise it's wintertime here - I remember watching an international round up of New Years Eve festivities on CNN, and the reporter said something like "...and in Sydney, Australia, they enjoyed the fireworks over Sydney Harbour in chilly 25 degree conditions." It was, of course, 25 degrees celsius - hardly chilly! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:04:36 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Zen Master buys a hot dog, part 2, njc jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: >A few weeks ago, several people knew how the Zen Master ordered a hot dog. > >("Make me 'one' with everything.") > >Here's part 2: The Zen Master paid with a $20 bill. The vendor put it in the cash drawer and started whistling a happy tune. > >So the Zen Master says, "Hey dude. Like... where's my change?" > >What did the vendor say? > I am sure the vendor would suggest that change comes from within. > >All the best, >Lama ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #315 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)