From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #307 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, July 15 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 307 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Last Joni album on vinyl? [Em ] Re: Recurring thread #17b: Springsteen & photos, njc [Em ] where does the wind come from? ["robin mortlock" ] See Rickie Lee from a good seat in Shepherd's Bush NJC [=?iso-8859-1?q?J] Re: where does the wind come from? NJC [Em ] 3-in-1 reply [Randy Remote ] joni,crosby,nash [Bruce Kimerer ] Re: njc -- breaking Smurf's heart now the 80's ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Holy Grail found! NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Laura Nyro 'Spread Your Wings and Fly' njc ["Maggie McNally" ] mpeg?? njc [colin ] RE: njc -- breaking Smurf's heart/80's stuff/em's drivel [Em ] Re: Holy Grail found! NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: where does the wind come from? NJC ["gene mock" ] Re: joni,crosby,nash now njc [Randy Remote ] Re: civil rights NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: njc -- breaking Smurf's heart in yet another decade [SCJoniGuy@aol.co] Re: njc -- breaking Smurf's heart in yet another decade -- the '60s [Smur] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:58:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Last Joni album on vinyl? Just think what a grand album cover they could have made for TI. All that WONDERFUL artwork, pretty much wasted on CD size pages. Such a tease! I had my Mom over to my house last weekend and I played TI for her, and she was just bowled over by the artwork. And my Mom sees alot of good artwork, so she could have easily had an uh-huh uh-huh reaction..but she didn't - was just totally impressed and looked and looked and was amazed. I just think it would have been so beautiful to have a full effort, balls to the wall, major label-type album cover done up for that. You know, where you open it up and all, with perhaps a booklet inside... anyway..thats all. Do I bitch and moan all the time?? lol...sorry...just smack me. :) Em - --- KindTaper@aol.com wrote: > Just wondering if anyone knows if "Night Ride Home", "Turbulent > Indigo" or > anything later was pressed on vinyl. I imagine if they were, they > were UK or > European releases only. "Night Ride Home" would be fair game for a US > pressing, > as it came out in 1991. I imagine Joni would be the type to think > vinyl was an > outdated, inferior format by that point, but I could be wrong. I hope > I'm > wrong. If any has seen for sure, or owns any of the 90's albums by > Joni on vinyl, > I'd love to hear from you or you can post to the list. > > Thanks, > Wes > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 05:25:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Recurring thread #17b: Springsteen & photos, njc Hi Lama, glad you are having a nice vacation. Everybody deserves some time off. Enjoy! That exhibition sounds REALLY interesting. I wonder if that magazine you mention will at a later date, have any of the stuff in it. Petersons? thats not a car mag, right? I bet not.. alot of the car mags are "Peterson publications" - was wondering if it were some issue of them. But I guess you said Petersen with an "e"....so it must be some fancy schmancy high end photo mag, huh?? ;) anyway, yeah Bruce and lots of car images..."got a 69 Chevy with a 396, fuelie heads and a Hurst on the floor" comes to mind right away..but some of the imagery from later on is even more vivid, cars burned on the side of the highway, etc. "left us burned and blind"... Wow.... wonder if that galerie is selling good catalogs of the show. Maybe I'll call. Thanks for posting about it. Em - --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > On page 12 of Petersen's Photographic Magazine's Aug '04 issue, they > announce a multimedia show on Springsteen's recurring images of cars > & > highways, "Springsteen - Troubadour of the Highway". > > More than 70 photos & other forms are on view through Aug 29 at The > Newark Museum. (973) 596-6550. > > On vacation and loving it, > Lama > > PS, Although not as much as I would be enjoying it if it was late > August > and I was having breakfast in a Catskills resort... > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:53:06 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: New listening - NJC Yer man Les wrote: << Just started listening to a band I've heard of but never listened to. Keane. They have an album Hopes and Fears. I'm a couple of songs into it and really loving it. Think Coldplay and Travis done properly. >> Hmmm, my problem with Keane is that when I first heard them I thought they *were* Coldplay! All a bit wishy-washy for me, though good luck to them, they are good at what they do. I know I'm always banging on about her, but I must get in a quick plug for PJ Harvey's new one, Uh Huh Her, which despite its unpromising title is a truly excellent set of songs, with her singing better than ever, some superb songs, and Polly playing everything except drums. It's REALLY GOOD!! Also, if you'll pardon the self-indulgence, I'd like to spread the word on some other great stuff I've been listening to in the last week. Firstly, has anyone heard Hope Sandoval's album, Bavarian Fruit Bread? It is EXQUISITE. She was (is?) the singer in Mazzy Star, and has a unique, lazy, drawling voice, sounding as if she's smacked out of her head (though I don't suggest for a second that she IS). The songs are lovely, the arrangements beautiful, the pacing languid. I also picked up Luscious Jackson's album Natural Ingredients, which made me think "why weren't they better known??" - so funky, cool, sassy, melodic, tight, really top stuff. And anyone into modern Welsh psychedelia (and which of us isn't?) should check out the Super Furry Animals - Rings Around The World is great. OK, enough me blathering on about my recent purchases... See ya, Azeem in London - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.713 / Virus Database: 469 - Release Date: 30/06/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:46:25 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: where does the wind come from? Where does the wind come from? Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:34:02 -0500 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: where does the wind come from? Too many beans!!!! Oh, not what you were looking for? Rotation of the earth and the sun's heating of the air... >>> "robin mortlock" 7/14/2004 10:46:25 AM >>> Where does the wind come from? Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:56:25 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: See Rickie Lee from a good seat in Shepherd's Bush NJC Hi All London jimdlers I have a ticket going for Monday night's concert of RLJ. It's my ticket but I can't go as I'm off to Corsica on the SUnday night beforehand... I'm having to see her in Guidlford at the Guilfest on Saturday night. If anyone would like to purchase this off me for #18.50 (the actual price on the ticket) and is able to meet me in central London on Friday night to pay/collect then it's all yours. Much Joni Jamie Zoob ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:29:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: where does the wind come from? NJC "switch off your mind and let your heart decide" .....Thomas Dolby (another salvation of the 80's) from "Windpower" - --- Steven Polifka wrote: > Too many beans!!!! > > Oh, not what you were looking for? > > Rotation of the earth > and the sun's heating of the air... > > >>> "robin mortlock" 7/14/2004 > 10:46:25 AM >>> > Where does the wind come from? > > Robin > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:29:19 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: 3-in-1 reply "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > I have > already sold off my factory made VHS tape which had a level imbalance. Really? I recently listened to mine (vhs hifi) in headphones, and it sounded amazing. Em wrote: > I had my Mom over to my house last weekend and I played TI for her, and > she was just bowled over by the artwork. Okay, that sounded funny. Like when they tell me I have a great face for radio. robin mortlock wrote: > Where does the wind come from? > > Robin And where does it go? I think the wind is a result of uneven temperature gradients. SF graffitti circa 1980: Gravity is a myth. The earth sucks. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:29:57 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: joni,crosby,nash This was posted on the leeshore. Kinda long, but good.... > From a "rock writer.... > > I could go door to door selling "Ladies Of The Canyon". > > I'd knock after dark. When people are reluctant to open the door. I'd have > to EXPLAIN! People inured to the fearsome world of George Bush would tell me > to go away. But there would be some people who came of age in the sixties. > And some women in their early twenties. And some men of the same age with > more > questions than answers, who aren't afraid to express their emotions, to > reveal themselves, warts and all. THEY would open the door. > > I'd start softly. Trying to gain their trust. > > Then I'd start waxing rhapsodic. What this record meant to ME! > > And then I'd ask them if I could put it on. > > Hopefully, I'd have some traveling stereo contraption including a turntable. > Because, really, "Ladies Of The Canyon" should be heard on vinyl. Or else > I'd call somebody at Sony and BEG them to do an SACD transfer, and bring a > deck > that could play discs in that format. > > If I was spinning the vinyl, there'd be that opening groove anticipation. > > Oh, the youngsters are unfamiliar with this. For some reason, there was > always a bump, or a scratch in the opening grooves. > > And then the music would begin. > > It's PERFECT that "Ladies Of The Canyon" starts with "Morning Morgantown". > It's a relaxing entry. > > And then we'd hit "For Free". > > Oh, I'd tell them how I saw James Taylor in Boston in April of '70, just days > after my seventeenth birthday, and he played this unreleased track. How I > couldn't FORGET IT! > > You see James and Joni had a relationship at that point. > > Almost nobody plays for free anymore. Free is for chumps. > > But back in the day, you played for the JOY of it. > > And then would come "Conversation". > > Have you ever fallen in love with someone who's married? > > No, I'm not talking about infatuation. I'm talking about the genuine > article. Where you communicate almost telepathically? > > When you're with them, you feel alive, you're carefree. > > But you don't own them. Somebody else does. Usually somebody else who > doesn't get them. But the legal bond is too much for your friend to cast > aside. > You're left alone. > > THAT'S what "Conversation" is about. > > And now the people would be starting to GET IT! > > "Ladies Of The Canyon" was not made for stardom. Wasn't even made for the > radio. It was a personal STATEMENT! That still resonates over thirty years > later. There's no expiration date on the truth. > > But it's not only the lyrics, but the SOUND! > > "Ladies Of The Canyon" sounds like eleven o'clock alone at home while the > rain is coming down outside. It's like a best friend, with open arms, wanting > to > connect. It's truly life itself. > > At this point, the man, or the woman, or even the COUPLE would be scrounging > the house for cash. Wanting to lay fifteen bucks on me, just so they could > OWN this piece of plastic. > > And after I put the money in my pocket, and put back on my jacket, just > before I exited the front door, I'd tell them to be sure to listen to "Rainy > Night > House". And "The Arrangement". > > I'd figure they'd discover "The Priest" by themselves. > > And I'd be on my way. > > One could argue that "Blue" is a better album. But it doesn't quite have the > VIBE of "Ladies Of The Canyon". That intimate late night feel. There's some > sunniness in "Blue". Most of "Ladies Of The Canyon" is a dark novel. > > Now the canyon of which Joni is singing is Laurel Canyon. > > Oh, it's not the same today. It's not where it's happening. It's where > almost thirtysomethings buy starter homes. There are some old hippies left, > but > the sense of community, the sense that something is being BUILT, is long gone. > > But in the late sixties, Laurel Canyon was where it was at. > > And it was at Joni Mitchell's house in Laurel Canyon that Crosby, Stills and > Nash first sang together. > > Somewhere along the line, Crosby, Stills and Nash became a joke. > > Oh, one can KIND of understand it. They ultimately made some pretty lame > albums. But that very first record... > > Conventional wisdom is Crosby, Stills and Nash miss Neil Young. > > Neil Young is great, but he wasn't really a member of CSN. He was a guy > brought in to play guitar. Who got to play a few of his own numbers to keep > him > happy. As great as he is, Neil is not really what CSN represents. You see, > CSN is about the voices. The harmonies. Frequently horribly off key and > untogether live, but ON RECORD, utterly ASTOUNDING! > > The first Crosby, Stills and Nash record was the "Appetite For Destruction" > of its day. A snapshot of the life of twentysomethings in Los Angeles. > "Appetite For Destruction" is dark. Reflecting the coarsening of society. > Whereas > "Crosby, Stills and Nash" straddles the line. Between optimism and > disillusionment. The sixties were coming to a close. So many breakthroughs > had been > achieved. But Richard Nixon was President, we were still fighting the war in > Vietnam. > > You had the sunniness of "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" and then the darkness of > "Long Time Gone". And sprinkled in between, the utterly lightweight Graham > Nash > tune "Marrakesh Express". But what you had throughout was the VOCALS! The > utter perfection, the utter BEAUTY! It was like standing in front of the > Parthenon. Perfect in construction, perfect in scale, SO perfect as to be > almost > OUT OF THIS WORLD! Delivered by God! > > And there was this weird vibe in the record. Like it wasn't cut in one > place. That one track was done in the studio, with everybody upbeat, and > another > was cut at the market in the Valley, and another in a car driving down the > freeway. The listener was MESMERIZED! There was this WORLD! It wasn't about > the > players, but the record ITSELF! The record spoke for ITSELF! You listened > again and again. Looking for insight, for comfort. The first Crosby, Stills > and Nash album is a treasure. > > "Deja Vu", made with Neil Young, has its highlights. Primarily "Carry On" > and "4+20", but it was the same kind of incomplete mess that the Eagles "Long > Run" would turn out to be. You see it's hard to follow up perfection. > > Oh, but the band members TRIED! > > Neil Young went solo. > > Stephen Stills did too. > > EVERYBODY cut solo material. > > And just when each of the three original members' careers were shot, they got > back together and did it again, with 1977's "CSN". > > We'd given up. We'd seen the Beatles never get back together, we figured CSN > was going to have the same fate. > > But they surprised us, they reunited. > > And "CSN" was a treat. > > In retrospect, only "See The Changes" is classic, but "CSN" had that SOUND! > Which we'd thought had been lost forever, believing the formula had been > destroyed. > > But that was the last time these guys could get it together. Until now. > > I was driving down Sunset Boulevard and the deejay on Deeptracks said he was > going to play a new Crosby-Nash track. From a soon to be released album. He > said it was GOOD! > > Let's be clear. These new tunes by has-beens are almost NEVER good. We've > cast aside our expectations. It's so sad. > > But the sound that started to emanate from my speakers, THAT WAS THE SOUND! > > Oh, Crosby and Nash had made a few less than successful records together when > their solo careers had lost steam and Stephen Stills' had not yet. And there > were a couple of peaks, but they were of the time. "Take The Money And Run" > was catchy, but far from deep. And "Carry Me" was beautiful in its own right, > but the soaring voices eclipsed the material. It felt good hearing it early > in the evening, but you wouldn't want to play it in the middle of the night. > > You want to play "Lay Me Down" in the middle of the night. > > Let's be clear. As great as they were, CSN and not even Y were in the league > of Joni Mitchell. > > But they were all in it together. David Crosby had produced Joni's first > album. Graham Nash had been her boyfriend. And she'd written maybe their > biggest hit, "Woodstock". > > You see they shared the same SENSIBILITY! > > Sensibility. That implies you've GOT senses. That you're taking everything > in. That you're entertaining the NUANCES! > > The nuances have been paved over. Just like Joni's paradise, they're now a > parking lot. Littered with glamor. Everybody's fighting for ATTENTION! If > you're subtle, you won't get noticed, you'll starve. > > But that's not real life. There are a lot of subtle moments in regular life. > Hell, regular life IS ABOUT the nuances. The glance, the attitude, the > touch. It's THIS input that we make our choices upon. > > Today I e-mailed Michael Plen to send me the Crosby-Nash album. > > Then I thought about it. I told him, if he could, to send an MP3 of "Lay Me > Down", I had an urge to hear it RIGHT NOW! I wanted to write about it RIGHT > NOW! > > Alas, it took Plen about an hour to get back to me, within which time I was > distracted. > > But about an hour and a half ago, I downloaded the track. > > And after importing it into iTunes and hitting play, I was stunned. > > I don't know how I'd do it. Whether I'd play the people whose doors I > knocked upon "Lay Me Down" first, to get them READY for "Ladies Of The > Canyon", or > whether I'd throw it in at the end, whip it out of my pocket and throw it in > their laps as a bonus on the way out the door. All I know is, "Ladies Of The > Canyon" and "Lay Me Down" come from the same village. A village I saw from > across the country, that I HEARD about on vinyl records. That enchanted me to > such a degree that I had to get in my car and COME to Los Angeles, to try and > get > closer to the magic. > > By time I got here, a lot of the magic was gone. > > Now I've been thinking it's completely extinguished. > > I've found out I'm wrong. > > "Conversation" and "Rainy Night House" and "The Arrangement" sit on my iPod, > never to be deleted. I NEED them. When they randomly come on in the > mountains it's like the clouds part and there's a road only for me, into the > universe, > a road which I then travel and get insight. > > What did Joni say? Love is touching souls? > > Well, surely she touched mine. For part of her comes out of me from time to > time. > > And tonight, her old cohorts Crosby and Nash have touched my soul too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:41:10 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: njc -- breaking Smurf's heart now the 80's As an acoustic singer songwriter I thought my life was over with all those keyboards & electronic drums! Lol...little did I know that there was a very potent scene going on that I was unaware of at the time- where people like Shawn Colvin & Dar Williams & John Gorka were honing their chops... Some of the mainstream stuff I loved during the 80's includes the Police, Steve Winwood, Peter Gabriel, U2... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:59:15 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: DVD cover: "Refuge Of the Roads" > Right. No bonus tracks but it'll probably the best sound yet for that > particular (exceptional) version of "For Free", for example. I have > already sold off my factory made VHS tape which had a level imbalance. > > All the best, > Lama > > > Randy Remote wrote: >> (It says the dvd is due to come out Aug 24) > And you know we audiophiles are drooling at the prospect. Let us hope for a good 5.1 transfer. As we know, some are better than others. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:02:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Holy Grail found! NJC >Wow!!! Assuming this is real, will Paul try to get ahold of it? Undoubtedly. Will he succeed? Most likely, since he can claim ownership, legally.< Or does Michael Jackson own it? "memorabilia consultant and Beatles specialist Peter Doggett" This cracks me up! That someone's career is a "beatles specialist" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:16:08 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Laura Nyro 'Spread Your Wings and Fly' njc Hey Mark, or any other Nyro fan, do we know where she toured during this time? I recall going to see her around this time at Boston College in something like their gym (where I also saw Jefferson Airplane...very different). She was amazing - just Laura and her piano, as you said. I'm too old to recollect when that was (although I can *see* it all as if it were a video in my mind) and would be curious to know when she played Boston College, Boston in 1971. Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: Mark or Travis [mailto:mark.travis@gte.net] Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:29 PM To: JMDL Subject: Laura Nyro 'Spread Your Wings and Fly' njc I heard this cd today for the first time. It's probably been mentioned already but all of you Nyro fans out there, run, don't walk, to your nearest record store and buy this cd if you don't have it yet. Recorded at the Fillmore East in Mary of 1971, it is an amazing performance. Just Laura and her piano. My favorite part is the three songs from 'Christmas and the Beads of Sweat' she does about 2 thirds of the way through. Lovely rendition of 'Map to the Treasure'. And she really tears me up with 'Christmas In My Soul'. Except for the references to the Black Panthers and the Chicago Seven, this song could so easily have been written about the US today. And then she follows it up with 'Save The Country'! Oh my, oh my! I was driving home from work when I was listening to this and I rolled the windows down, cranked it and was shouting it out to anybody who could hear: Save the people! Save the children! Save the country, save the country! I wish everyone in the whole flipping country could hear the performances of these two songs and really, really pull together and do what Laura is calling us to do. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:23:25 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: njc -- breaking Smurf's heart What about early U2? Til Tuesday? Pretenders? Talking Heads? Eurhythmics? Fisher Z? Echo and the Bunnymen? Los Lobos? All these bands (and you know, there may be more) put out good stuff in the 80s that I can still pull out (mostly on vinyl, still) and listen to. Now, as to the 90s... - -----Original Message----- From: Em [mailto:emzdogz@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:00 AM To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; Smurfycopy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: njc -- breaking Smurf's heart - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Plus I forgot that so > many here > gave up on music a long time ago and stick to their 70's stuff. hey I tried..I really did. The best thing about the 80's for me, was the advent of the new not-major label "Americana" type of music. Guys like Steve Earle, Lyle Lovett and Robert Earl Keen. I guess there was a roots rock backlash in the 80's that kind of saved the day, for me. Cuz the pop music of the '80's did largely suck, imho. I'm pretty unapologetic about that. It was just so much about style rather than content. But those lyrics you put out there Bob of TMBG were pretty decent. I missed that. A friend of mine who is an 80's FREAK has forced me to listen to Nick Cave and thats proved to be really good too. Also Crash Test Dummies "Superman", that was good. I liked Fine Young Cannibals. ::shrug:: I dunno I still think that decade was not that great. Lots sucked in the 70's too tho. I think I shoulda known things were gonna get worse the first time I heard that BOO BOO BOO BOO BOO (echoey, boomy, FAKE) drum in Linda Ronstadt's "Poor Poor Pitiful Me". Fakeness and overproduction on the horizon and at every turn. pop songs I *did* manage to like from the 80's: Run Runaway...Slade 867-5309/Jenny ...Tommy Tutone all Culture Club stuff strangely, "Shy Shy" by (I think) Kajagoogoo (....I mean what does that say about that decade, when Kajagoogoo makes my top handful of pop songs lol) I maintain that the 80's "bit". But I honestly "tried". Went to a Flock of Seagulls concert....boring boring boring. That whole "hair band " thing, left me so cold. On the other hand, the ska stuff was pretty cool. Oh, and I think I actually saw...hmmm...whats the name of that band Lama likes so much.... anyway, ah! Cowboy Junkies...saw them I *think* in the very late 80's. had to be. That was good. They were a breath of fresh air, for sure. Thank god for community radio and the folk and acoustic and roots rock stuff. Just my admittedly tarnished .02. Em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:27:01 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: njc -- breaking Smurf's heart Oh, and since I'm spinning their new one, I should mention The Cure, who put out one of the ten best discs of the 80's (Disintegration). Now me: I forgot about the Cure! Loved them...but Bob, help me remember good stuff from the 90s. I think that's when I stopped listening. I'm counting on you to get me back on track. Maggie Who is soooo disappointed that Mueller is not coming to fest this year. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:44:50 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: Jonifest fundraiser items! The time has come for me, Maggie, a.k.a. "Naggie" (thanks, Bob Mueller) to implore you to think creatively about how you can help our own JMDL. Yes, folks, I am once again talking about the Jonifest raffle donation plea. You see, each year we ask JMDLers to donate items that have some kind of connection to Joni - either direct (books, cds, records, magazines, posters, t-shirts...you get the idea) or indirect. In the past, our raffle items have been limited only by the imaginations of our members...we've received items as unusual as a promise of a custom hand-knit sweater, tapestries, and innumerable items like socks, clocks and refrigerator magnets that in some way or another related to Joni. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Please consider what you might be able to donate. Even if you are not coming (and I hope you are...), you can donate to the cause. Just the other day I was speaking with Jody (happy birthday, Scott!) who said she was going to donate a cooking item from the place where she works, and that it will relate to one of the recipes that she contributed to the world-famous (well, JMDL-famous) JMDL cookbook. Now, in my book that's both creative AND generous, especially since she isn't able to join us this year (that's one big boo hoo). So, please put on your creative caps and see if there isn't something that you can send along to Ashara to be given away at Jonifest. Better yet, sign up for Jonifest today and just tell us what it is and bring it with you. Loads of love, Maggie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:28:45 +0100 From: colin Subject: mpeg?? njc is there really no one on this list who knows about mpoegs and the problem I asked about the other day? - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:20:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: njc -- breaking Smurf's heart/80's stuff/em's drivel Hi Maggie, out of those you mentioned, I like U2 alot, even later stuff. Also Los Lobos, yes yes yes!!!!!!! they are part of that roots music resurgence thing I was talking about. The others, well Pretenders I think of for some reason as very late 70's? or?? was it 80's actually?? hmm ok, yeah that was good stuff. Talking Heads is a sore spot with me. Its like I'm "supposed" to like it. Like my grandmothers assuming I'd like papaya and mango and avocado because we live in the tropics! LOL!!! didn't work. I'd spit it out! And I will be ok if I never again hear any Talking Heads. Except for "Psycho Killer" - that was good. Its just me tho - my friends loved TH soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much and then freakin Tom Tom club and I had to listen to that stuff.... feh feh feh...... again just me and my deficient taste! the other stuff you mention yeah its ok, but none of it "stuck". Til Tuesday because of Ms. Mann was interesting. Nothing I'd be tempted to listen to of my own volition. FisherZ, I don't know who they are. I wish I liked more stuff. REM was a godsend for me. I'll never forget the first time I put that album with "Radio Free Europe" on it and SAW what it was doing to my woofers! woohoo!!!! never seen a speaker travel like that before! all their stuff on IRS label was great. Anyway, thanks for playing Maggie! Fun talking about this stuff! :) Em - --- Maggie McNally wrote: > What about early U2? Til Tuesday? Pretenders? Talking Heads? > Eurhythmics? Fisher Z? Echo and the Bunnymen? Los Lobos? All these > bands (and you know, there may be more) put out good stuff in the 80s > that I can still pull out (mostly on vinyl, still) and listen to. > > Now, as to the 90s... ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:56:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni,crosby,nash Thanks for sharing that, Bruce...long like you said but very good. And it's funny because I was kind of late to the game with LOTC myself, I didn't get it until the early 90's. And about a month ago I had it cranked in the car stereo and it was like an epiphany to me how good it was. Flawed, but fan-effin'-tastic. I was going to write a big rave about it (which hopefully would counter some of that TBOS negativity) but I just haven't done it. Kinda hard to take notes while you're driving doncha know. Anyway, I'll get around to it soon. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:57:18 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Last Joni album on vinyl? NRH is available on vinyl - you can check out GEMM.com and see a couple for sale there, actually fairly reasonably priced too. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:59:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: New listening - NJC Thanks for the thumbnail reviews, Azeem...I was wondering about the new P.J. disc - she's so inconsistent I wanna hear more reviews before I take the plunge. I've also heard lots of good things about Super Furry Animals too (from the XTC list) but haven't had the chance to check them out yet. But I will. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:33:51 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: civil rights NJC I am sending an excerpt from a recent moveon email for those of you who are not on their mailing list. I think this particular issue is particularly relevant to the jmdl community & wanted to share the good news... "Today, we won a huge victory, thanks to you. President Bush failed to pass his Constitutional amendment denying marriage equality to same- sex couples. The amendment failed resoundingly in a Senate vote this afternoon, with just 48 votes in favor and 50 against. Constitutional amendments require 67 votes in the Senate, so Bush's failure to muster even a simple majority was a major defeat for him, and a huge victory for all of us. Even if he lost the vote, Bush was hoping to use it to rally his base. But six Republican Senators voted against it. The Washington Post says: "The vote by the Republican-controlled Senate amounted to an embarrassing defeat for President Bush and conservative leaders who had pushed hard for approval of the amendment..."* Earlier this week, the Senate was getting flooded with calls in favor of the amendment, generated in large part by right-wing religious television networks. Our petition and our calls helped turn the tide. More than 500,000 of us signed the "United, Not Divided" petition in just 48 hours, and more than 20,000 of us made phone calls too. " ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:38:13 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Holy Grail found! NJC Kate Bennett wrote: > >Wow!!! > Assuming this is real, will Paul try to get ahold of it? Undoubtedly. > Will he succeed? Most likely, since he can claim ownership, legally.< > > Or does Michael Jackson own it? He owns the copyrights on the songs, so would have no claim on any of this material. If it comes out, he gets royalties. On a related note, today in the natural food store, I noticed a cereal called "Strawberry Fields" with the little "TM" next to the name. I looked all over the box in vain, but wonder if MJ is getting money from it. RR npimh "Got To Get.... A Life" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:56:01 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: where does the wind come from? NJC scientists would have you believe the wind is caused by temperature differentials (lo pressure/hi pressure systems), rotation of the earth, ocean currents, sun spots, and even "harmonic convergence." myself, i believe the wind is caused by the trees waving back and forth. have a nice day. gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "robin mortlock" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 8:46 AM Subject: where does the wind come from? > Where does the wind come from? > > Robin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:07:36 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: joni,crosby,nash now njc Bruce Kimerer wrote: > > > I was driving down Sunset Boulevard and the deejay on Deeptracks said he was > > going to play a new Crosby-Nash track. From a soon to be released album. He > > said it was GOOD! > > You want to play "Lay Me Down" in the middle of the night. Glad to hear they are putting out a new one! Here's more about the 2 CD, 20 track release, due Aug. 10: http://www.glidemagazine.com/news1079.html I think the writer sells the Crosby/Nash albums short- there was a wealth of great material; almost all of the first LP, "To The Last Whale", more too numerous to mention. I also disagree on the CSN "sailboat" album, IMO it's as good as anything they've ever done. CSN will be on tour July-Sept, then C&N will probably tour in support of their new one. Why didn't they just make it a CSN album? Stephen has some great new songs, too.... RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:23:53 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: civil rights NJC Quoting a moveon e-mail message, Kate writes: << President Bush failed to pass his Constitutional amendment denying marriage equality to same- sex couples. >> What an embarrassment that idiot is. Enough said. Here is Massachusetts, where same-gender marriage has been legal since Norwegian Independence Day in May, nothing has changed in any significant way except that gay couples can now put themselves in the same institution as straights. The rivers haven't begun flowing the other way, the animals aren't running wild in the streets, and I am still single. What is the big anti-gay marriage deal all about, except to create divisiveness? - --Smurf "Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away." - --Elvis Presley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:25:02 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc -- breaking Smurf's heart in yet another decade **but Bob, help me remember good stuff from the 90s. I think that's when I stopped listening. I'm counting on you to get me back on track. Maggie Who is soooo disappointed that Mueller is not coming to fest this year. ** Thanks Maggie, that's sweet of you to say - not a surprise as you're such a sweetie anyway (when you're not being a Naggie that is). The problem with the 90's was not the music, but rather the transporation. In the 70's we had free-form FM radio that exposed us to lots of new stuff, not just the hits but the other tracks as well. In the 80's MTV filled that gap. In the 90's, well, MTV died out and radio became totally homogeneous so the "good stuff" didn't have a chance to get heard - not in any kind of big way, anyway. Plus all the media seemed to be more segregated...you didn't get any real variety from any one source it seemed. As for the music, there were lots of significant happenings. Nirvana's "Nevermind" changed the course of popular music damn near overnight, and while they spawned some cheap imitators, many other great records followed in their path like Pearl Jam's "Ten" and Soundgarden's "Superunknown" among others, including their own spinoff Foo Fighters. The alt-rock movement took off and we got great records from Son Volt, Wilco, Whiskeytown, and a host of others. The singer-songwriter movement made a big comeback with excellent releases from Beth Orton, Tori Amos, Lucinda Williams, Bruce's "Ghost Of Tom Joad" and what may be the finest record of the decade, Jeff Buckley's "Grace". Even "Classic Rock" was back on the map with bands like Counting Crows ("August & Everything After" is probably the strongest debut of the last 25 years), and the indie rock scene thrived as well with bands like Ben Folds Five and Radiohead. And that's not even mentioning the guys and gals and combos thereof that were still cranking it out...Joni had a STUPENDOUS decade and finally began earning the recognition denied her for so long. REM, Tom Waits, Rickie Lee, Elvis Costello were still going strong. Soul music had a nice comeback as well with Me'Shell, P.M. Dawn, and I'm sure tons more that I never got to hear. :~( The problem was not the music (it never is). The problem of the 90's was in the marketing in my opinion. The good news is that it's not too late to dig in and discover the tunes! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:06:16 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc -- breaking Smurf's heart in yet another decade -- the '60s I always thought that "Lara's Theme (Somewhere My Love)" from Dr. Zhivago was really sad. Near broke my heart every time I heard it. Man, those Ray Coniff singers were the balls, huh? - --Smurf NPIMH: Somewhere, my love, There will be songs to sing Although the snow Covers the hope of spring. Somewhere a hill Blossoms in green and gold And there are dreams All that your heart can hold. Someday we'll meet again, my love. Someday whenever the spring breaks through. You'll come to me Out of the long ago, Warm as the wind, Soft as the kiss of snow. Till then, my sweet, Think of me now and then. Godspeed my love 'Til you are mine again. "Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away." - --Elvis Presley ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #307 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)