From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #305 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 13 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 305 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Vermont's best kept secret, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Joni book mention ["Ashley Millington" ] Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? [Jerry Notaro ] Chelsea Morning book ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: UCLA Joni archives?? [Jerry Notaro ] re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?! ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? ["Kate Bennett" ] Chelsea Morning on into Night In the City [Em ] Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni book mention [Randy Remote ] (NJC) Lost "Canadian Woodstock" footage to premiere tonight [Lori Fye ] Re: (NJC) Lost "Canadian Woodstock" footage to premiere tonight ["Mark or] Laura Nyro 'Spread Your Wings and Fly' njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: njc -- here I sit, broken hearted . . . [Michael Paz ] Re: njc -- here I sit, broken hearted . . . [vince ] RE: Joni book mention ["Victor Johnson" ] njc Birthday White Sox Wishes! ["Scott and Jody" Subject: Re: Vermont's best kept secret, njc www.louisetaylor.com. > > Wow! She IS good, Laurent, so thanks for this. She > sounds a bit like Bonnie Raitt but, then again, not really. > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- I had exactly the same reaction to her voice, similar tone as Bonnie but enough differences to make her sound original. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 04:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: Re strange mail from JMDL some people, especially I think some nerdy teenage boys, are very attracted to mayhem. So they create mayhem on the internet instead of shooting up their school. Em - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > --- mia ortlieb wrote: > What > > is the purpose for such a > > dumb virus/worm? Only a true "cornholio" would > > invent such a retarded > > device! > > LOL! That's it exactly. Beavis and Butthead with > computers. Only they've got brains - but their brains > are wired very strangely! > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:32:34 +1000 From: "Ashley Millington" Subject: Joni book mention In the book by James Patterson, 'Violets are Blue'....near the end....Vampire serial killer explains that he lived in a hippy commune in California in the 60's and that drugs, free love and Joni Mitchell music made him what he is! and a lot of the communes at that time had vampires in them! er this from a guy who wrote the screen play for the Brad Pitt film...'Se7en' is this true? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:20:30 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? Yes, Neil, you are a dirty middle aged man:) If you see the song as what a child would say to the morning, in an innocent way, it can work. Jerry, who is as pure as the driven snow........ > "Chelsea Morning" strikes me as an odd choice for a > children's book (or children's anything) but I just > ran through the lyrics in my head and I guess it works > . . . > > > But I heard this song as a "morning after" song, where > Joni is still aglow from the loving and is seeing > everything fresh and new and trying to entice her > lover to stay and put on the day (i.e. nothing) and > weare it 'til the night comes. > > In other words, while it's full of clever descriptions > and some imaginative language, it just seems a bit > adult for a children's book. > > Anyone else feel this way? Or am I turning into dirty > old man. > > -Neil > dirty middle-aged man at best > > > ===== > Neil Ellis Orts 713-838-1787 > Houston, TX > > keep up with my creative endeavors--join my newsletter list: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neonews ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:15:22 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Chelsea Morning book >Does anyone know the details of this book? >Chelsea Morning by JOni Mitchell, Illustrations by Brian Froud? >see: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0689035934/qid=1089504918/sr=1 - - -3/ref=sr_1_3/104-8057265-6587152?v=glance&s=books >I mean why didn't she illustrate it herself? > >just wondering... > >Much Joni > >Jamie Zoob Hi Jamie, I'm guessing that the illustrator was moved by her song and asked if he could illustrate it. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access helps fight spam and pop-ups  now 2 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:37:12 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: UCLA Joni archives?? And what a disappointment that a record from the UCLA Special Collections would contain such a misspelling of "scores." Jerry > I found this link to something called "Joni Mitchell Collection > of musical arrangements, 1960-1970" "1 box(.5 lin.ft)", > "Collection consists of holographs of musical socres of > "Chelsea morning," "I don't know where I stand," > and "Who," arranged for orchestra by Don Bogley." > A holograph is "a document wholly in the handwriting of its > author; also : the handwriting itself" > I guess that means they are handwritten by Mr. Bogley. > What is "Who"?. I thought Who was on first. Anyway, > it says that they can be viewed with advance notice to the > UCLA Library, and that the "container list is not yet > available online". > RR > > http://www.oac.cdlib.org/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?type=boolean;c=tranoacX;vie > w=text;subview=fulltext;drgn=item;id=ark%3A%2F13030%2Fft5779n76r ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:08:32 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?! <> I think Joni (our lady of duality) disguised it as such that it could work both ways. The true inspiration for the song was probably from the longing to be with her baby daughter, Kelly. (pretty baby, won't you wake up) Remember, it was a secret at the time? A while ago, I posted some clues that Joni left for us at a show she did in the late 60's, and has since been bootlegged. I'll post it again here. Note the reference to the unwed mothers. Joni's story to her audience may not be completely true, but it definitely reflects where Joni's mind was at during this time period: [After playing "Come to the Sunshine"] "Well, thats one morning, sunshine, love, and rainbow song. And I have another. And it was written much later, and in a different place. You see, a long time ago I purchased some stained glass windows that were about to be demolished because they were wrecking the house for unwed mothers that they were in. The unwed mothers were without.ofcourse.. And I rescued them for five dollars each. And took them back to a very peaceful place and set them up in my windows And every morning when the sun came up the rainbows came in Then one day I moved to New York City, which is a very different place, very different circumstances for writing under, Because its noisy all the time So I put my stained glass windows up And I covered out all of the sky which was about that much in one corner, above the church, A Postage stamp piece of sky And I wrote a very different morning, rainbow, sunshine, and love song noisy as New York City" Mia _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:36:17 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? It looks like puss in boots from shrek! Sort of... >Here's a large jpeg of the cover-WARNING-do not look at this if you are on drugs! http://a1204.g.akamai.net/7/1204/1401/04052514011/images.barnesandnoble.com/ images/7790000/7795167.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:46:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Chelsea Morning on into Night In the City even tho they were on different albums, and NITC came first, to me Chelsea Morning is like the first part of the day and then it blends over into NITC, which to me sounds like big fun. Its like that JT line "and you can stay as long as you like" in "Close Your Eyes". Given good energy, I bet Joni would be a blast to hang with. Em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:48:06 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? I think it works pretty well, certainly better than the world-weary bitterness of BSN (her last kids book). And I would never suggest it was a Freudian slip to forget the question mark in your last question ; ) RR Neil Orts wrote: > "Chelsea Morning" strikes me as an odd choice for a > children's book (or children's anything) but I just > ran through the lyrics in my head and I guess it works > . . . > > But I heard this song as a "morning after" song, where > Joni is still aglow from the loving and is seeing > everything fresh and new and trying to entice her > lover to stay and put on the day (i.e. nothing) and > weare it 'til the night comes. > > In other words, while it's full of clever descriptions > and some imaginative language, it just seems a bit > adult for a children's book. > > Anyone else feel this way? Or am I turning into dirty > old man. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:02:09 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni book mention It always strikes me as kind of odd when Joni is linked with the 60's, since she was not very widely known then. And yes, a lot of the communes did have vampires. (More in the government, business, and advertising, though). I wanted to be a vampire, but I was a vegetarian...(sigh!).... RR Ashley Millington wrote: > In the book by James Patterson, 'Violets are Blue'....near the > end....Vampire serial killer explains that he lived in a hippy commune in > California in the 60's and that drugs, free love and Joni Mitchell music > made him what he is! and a lot of the communes at that time had vampires in > them! > > er this from a guy who wrote the screen play for the Brad Pitt > film...'Se7en' > > is this true? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:45:27 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Lost "Canadian Woodstock" footage to premiere tonight Don't know if this has been posted yet, but I happened upon this while looking for jobs in the SF Chronicle: "Festival Express," which will have its world premiere tonight at the UA Galaxy (followed by a party at the Great American Music Hall), is rock's great lost concert film. The movie, which opens its theatrical run July 23 at the Bridge, features a cast of 135 drunken and deranged rock musicians -- including Janis Joplin, the Grateful Dead, the Band, Delaney & Bonnie, Buddy Guy, Sha Na Na and others -- rolling across Canada on a train in 1970, partying nonstop in between mini-Woodstock performances at outposts along the way." Rest of the article is here: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/07/12/DDGHK7JAR91.DTL Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:26:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Sweeney Subject: k.d. concert in Chicago I saw k.d. last night at Ravinia outside Chicago. It was a great show and she was backed by the Chicago Symphony Orchestra along with her band members. She sang four songs from her new CD, but unfortunately none by Joni. - -Dennis in Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:17:58 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: (NJC) Lost "Canadian Woodstock" footage to premiere tonight features a cast of 135 drunken and > deranged rock musicians -- including Janis Joplin, the Grateful Dead, > the Band, Delaney & Bonnie, Buddy Guy, Sha Na Na and others -- > rolling across Canada on a train in 1970, partying nonstop in between > mini-Woodstock performances at outposts along the way." This sounds very cool! I remember reading about this way back when I was in college in David Dalton's book about Janis. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:29:01 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Laura Nyro 'Spread Your Wings and Fly' njc I heard this cd today for the first time. It's probably been mentioned already but all of you Nyro fans out there, run, don't walk, to your nearest record store and buy this cd if you don't have it yet. Recorded at the Fillmore East in Mary of 1971, it is an amazing performance. Just Laura and her piano. My favorite part is the three songs from 'Christmas and the Beads of Sweat' she does about 2 thirds of the way through. Lovely rendition of 'Map to the Treasure'. And she really tears me up with 'Christmas In My Soul'. Except for the references to the Black Panthers and the Chicago Seven, this song could so easily have been written about the US today. And then she follows it up with 'Save The Country'! Oh my, oh my! I was driving home from work when I was listening to this and I rolled the windows down, cranked it and was shouting it out to anybody who could hear: Save the people! Save the children! Save the country, save the country! I wish everyone in the whole flipping country could hear the performances of these two songs and really, really pull together and do what Laura is calling us to do. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:01:13 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Laura Nyro 'Spread Your Wings and Fly' njc Mark writes: << Recorded at the Fillmore East in Mary of 1971 >> What is that in straight months, Mark? - --Smurf "Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away." - --Elvis Presley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:02:11 EDT From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #304 hey k.d. can cover joni anytime ( or me if she so pleases) sorry bad lesbian joke, but k. d. singing joni is good stuff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:10:36 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: njc -- here I sit, broken hearted . . . Thought there'd be a funny post or two from Catherine, but nooooooooo. No gross, sexual in-you-end-o from Paz. Not even a stinging barb from Muller. And where's Wally, Off giving people analyst jive? Is Jody finally spending time with That Guy? Colin? Ashara? HELLO? Kate? Hell? Jimmy? WHERE IS EVERYONE (Echo: Where Is Everyone . . . where is everyone . . . everyone . . .) This is beginning to remind me of that Twilight Zone episode about the Internet discussion list that no one posted to. - --Smurf "Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away." - --Elvis Presley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:36:09 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Laura Nyro 'Spread Your Wings and Fly' njc Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Mark writes: > > << Recorded at the Fillmore East in Mary of 1971 >> > > > What is that in straight months, Mark? > > --Smurf > Why, what ever do you mean? Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:32:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Orts Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > Yes, Neil, you are a dirty middle aged man:) okay. just checking. :) - -Neil reality checker ===== Neil Ellis Orts 713-838-1787 Houston, TX keep up with my creative endeavors--join my newsletter list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neonews ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:56:29 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: njc -- here I sit, broken hearted . . . Sorry I have been absent but daddy is in a bad way with dementia and alzheimers not to mention a 14 year old and then there's Julian 7 going on 47 and Fred which is another story all together and work which is dreadfully slow and and and , but I always think of you guys and hoping that life is good and that you are all blessed esp. people like our SmurphOramma who is like a breath of humor in this wild and crazy world. Love Paz P.S. And we all know that Jimmy is SO much older now and can't keep up with us (not to mention the Cuban) > Thought there'd be a funny post or two from Catherine, but nooooooooo. > > No gross, sexual in-you-end-o from Paz. > > Not even a stinging barb from Muller. > > And where's Wally, Off giving people analyst jive? > > Is Jody finally spending time with That Guy? > > Colin? Ashara? HELLO? Kate? Hell? Jimmy? > > WHERE IS EVERYONE (Echo: Where Is Everyone . . . where is everyone . . . > everyone . . .) > > This is beginning to remind me of that Twilight Zone episode about the > Internet discussion list that no one posted to. > > --Smurf > > > "Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' > away." > > --Elvis Presley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:07:29 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc -- breaking Smurf's heart **Not even a stinging barb from Muller. I was expecting SO MANY replies to my They Might Be Giants post! After all, the folks who like Joni & the folks who like TMBG are so...oh wait a minute, that's why I didn't get any responses to that. Plus I forgot that so many here gave up on music a long time ago and stick to their 70's stuff. Which reminds me of ANOTHER great TMBG lyric, this one from "Shoehorn With Teeth": "What's the sense in ever thinking about the tomb When you're much too busy returning to the womb?" Anyway, if I wasn't blocked at work I'd post more - but is that a good thing? I dunno, but I did see this today, and thought it should have a River cover on it because of the line "I made my baby cry": http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/jinglebabies And in an unrelated story, I went to see F911 for the second time tonight, my son wanted to catch it. I was pleased that: a) It's still here in Greenville, SC (our State Motto "Handjobbus Bushimas") b) The theatre was darn near half full ON A MONDAY NIGHT c) The movie was just as powerful (if not more so) the second time around And in other movie news, I watched "The Station Agent" on DVD last night. A delightful film, I thought. I recommend it, it works on many levels. It's 5,5,5 posts in one! Yours Truly, Barb....um, I mean Bob, challenging everyone to post to help heal the broken-hearted Smurf "People should get beat up for stating their beliefs" - They Might Be Giants ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:08:59 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc -- here I sit, broken hearted . . . Or then again, maybe we ALL put you on our KILL LIST Smurf. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 0:13:58 -0400 From: Subject: DVD cover: "Refuge Of the Roads" The cover of the DVD is now on Chris Marshall's hatstand.org: http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/album26/joni_refuge_icon It's a shot I think I've seen before but this time it's not cropped as tightly. I scooped JJ, Les, and Rose! All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu Lama Covington, KY, US ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:49:34 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: njc -- here I sit, broken hearted . . . Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: Is Jody finally spending time with That Guy? His name is Scott and he had a birthday last week and they are celebrating! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:58:16 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Joni book mention and that drugs, free love and Joni Mitchell music > made him what he is! and a lot of the communes at that time had vampires in > them! > > is this true? I don't know but there are lots of vampires at jonifest. They come out at night and congregate in the pool room. Victor NP: Rush "Crossroads" Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:32:45 -0400 From: "Scott and Jody" Subject: njc Birthday White Sox Wishes! Yes, Vince and Bob, I'm still trying to catch my breath as he just left again for Oregon..... ENOUGH about my woes... HAPPY BIRTHDAY VINCE - July 9th.!!!!! Since the BDF, deputy and gnome have been napping, I'm the last to cover their bums. Scott and I want to wish you A White Sox Birthday Dream Come True....What does that mean? You'll see! HAPPY BIRTHDAY VINCE!! love, jody and scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "vince" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 11:49 PM Subject: Re: njc -- here I sit, broken hearted . . . > Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > > Is Jody finally spending time with That Guy? > > > His name is Scott and he had a birthday last week and they are celebrating! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:02:42 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: July 13 On July 13 the following article was published: 1975: "Joni: Just Miles Ahead" - Melody Maker (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=184 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #305 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)