From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #304 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, July 12 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 304 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? ["amelio747" ] : Re: John Kerry's '60s prep school band --The ELectras -- NJC ["Lucy Hon] Re: k.d. covering joni [Richard Goldman ] Re: k.d. covering joni [Chris Marshall ] Re: k.d. covering joni [Chris Marshall ] Re: did Joni do like George -- now NJC just for the hell of it [Smurfycop] RE: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: did Joni do like George -- now NJC just for the hell of it [Catherine] fahrenheit njc ["mackoliver" ] Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? [Randy Remote ] UCLA Joni archives?? [Randy Remote ] NJC Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? now TMBG NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? -- NJC because I say so [Smurfycopy@aol.c] Re: NJC Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? now TMBG NJC [Randy Remote ] RE: Re strange mail from JMDL ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Vermont's best kept secret, njc [Catherine McKay ] Today's Library Links: July 12 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? [Neil Orts ] mpeg assistance njc [colin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:06:22 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? You know Jamie I might be wrong but I get the feeling this is just sheet music for the song, probably with standard guitar chords too I might add! Yeah you'd think Joni would do the artwork for anything at any chance, plus I'm sure she has control over things like that seeing as she wrote the song! * * * * * * Stephen T - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Zubairi" To: "Joni JMDL" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 1:18 AM Subject: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? > Does anyone know the details of this book? > Chelsea Morning by JOni Mitchell, Illustrations by Brian Froud? > > see: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0689035934/qid=1089504918/sr=1 - -3/ref=sr_1_3/104-8057265-6587152?v=glance&s=books > > I mean why didn't she illustrate it herself? > > just wondering... > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zoob > > > --------------------------------- > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:59:19 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: : Re: John Kerry's '60s prep school band --The ELectras -- NJC I have been lurking but caught this exchange in my digest...... Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 21:18:41 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: John Kerry's '60s prep school band --The ELectras -- NJC Colin writes: << I do hope you are not catholic >> I was raised Catholic, Colin, but I met so many truly awful people in positions of power there when I was a child that I ran screaming from the church before I was even a teenager. Now I know there's more to it, and it has good and bad just like any institution -- but it still ain't for me! - - --Smurf NOW QUEEN LULU I hope that you began to run with your hands above your head, squealing a theatrical "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" as you exited the church. The lead on from this would be that you ran down the steps outside with your cape (you WOULD HAVE to be wearing a cape Smurf) billowing behind you, with a silk hanky in one hand pressed to your quivering mouth, the other hand raised in supplication to the heavens, and on managing to reach the pavement (sidewalk for you Americans) you sank to your knees and exhorted to the passers by "don't go in there"......... Do you think I need to find more things to occupy my mind?.... love and hugs to all of you and wish like mad I was FESTING..... Booo Hoooooo xxxxx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 02:10:03 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: k.d. covering joni I have the cd, promotional pre-release copy. It's .... ok. While I love k.d. and her voice, I don't think she's done anything radical or particularly different or insightful with any of the tracks. I like the originals much better, including and especially Joni's. On the brighter side, part of her tour, includes the Hollywood Bowl for two nights with special guest Rufus Wainwright, who will for sure be doing a/some duet(s) with k.d. (both Canucks and queeer and out) and so that night will be a major treat (for me anyway), and hope some of you SoCal'rs come out for it. ~Richard in San Francisco n.p. Laura Nyro from the new Live At the Fillmore East, Spread Your Wings, "SAVE THE COUNTRY" - -------- >Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:07:14 -0700 (PDT) >From: Neil Orts >Subject: k.d. covering joni > >I know it's been mentioned that k.d. lang is covering >"Case of You" and "Jericho" on her new album, but I >don't know if it's been mentioned that snippets of >these songs can be heard on nonesuch.com. > >Well, they can. They're very small clips, but gives a >sense of what k.d. is doing with these songs. > >- -Neil >went to nonesuch.com to see where Sam Phillips was >touring and is happy to see she's coming to Houston. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:37:56 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: k.d. covering joni On 10 Jul 2004, at 7:07, Neil Orts wrote: > I know it's been mentioned that k.d. lang is covering > "Case of You" and "Jericho" on her new album, but I > don't know if it's been mentioned that snippets of > these songs can be heard on nonesuch.com. Thanks for the heads up. I think k.d. treads a middle course here: just different enough to make them her own to a degree, while not completely alienating anyone who love the originals. Interesting news re: k.d. and Rufus. Having recently seen Rufus in concert in London (thanks Garret!) I can well imaging k.d. and Rufus' voices complementing each other very well. Sounds like a treat. Cheers, - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:37:56 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: k.d. covering joni On 10 Jul 2004, at 7:07, Neil Orts wrote: > I know it's been mentioned that k.d. lang is covering > "Case of You" and "Jericho" on her new album, but I > don't know if it's been mentioned that snippets of > these songs can be heard on nonesuch.com. Thanks for the heads up. I think k.d. treads a middle course here: just different enough to make them her own to a degree, while not completely alienating anyone who love the originals. Interesting news re: k.d. and Rufus. Having recently seen Rufus in concert in London (thanks Garret!) I can well imaging k.d. and Rufus' voices complementing each other very well. Sounds like a treat. Cheers, - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 10:03:32 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: did Joni do like George -- now NJC just for the hell of it Catherine writes: << This is what I love about this list. So many different takes on Joni's songs, and they could all be right. >> Huh? I have read some pretty pathetic and feeble takes on "your notches, liberation doll," for one. The way I see it, there's my take and then everyone else is wrong wrong wrong. By the way, old friend, I finished "The Eyre Affair" yesterday. What a wacky book. I don't think I'll be rushing off to read any more Thursday Next novels, to be honest. Same problem I have reading anything too weird, such as science fiction -- if I can't suspend disbelief, I can't get into it. So now, as your punishment, you have to recommend something good. - --Smurf "Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away." - --Elvis Presley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 10:05:07 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? This looks to me like an example of the celebrity musician picture book, a subset of the celebrity children's book, which Madonna--or Esther, or whatever her name is--has exploited to her great financial benefit. On the children's literature listserv I participate on, these books are often the subject of scornful commentary. Other examples of pop singers' books include a couple of Billy Joel songs set to pictures, and Dylan ("Man Gave Names to the Animals"). - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of amelio747 Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 3:06 AM To: Joni List Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? You know Jamie I might be wrong but I get the feeling this is just sheet music for the song, probably with standard guitar chords too I might add! Yeah you'd think Joni would do the artwork for anything at any chance, plus I'm sure she has control over things like that seeing as she wrote the song! * * * * * * Stephen T - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Zubairi" To: "Joni JMDL" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 1:18 AM Subject: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? > Does anyone know the details of this book? > Chelsea Morning by JOni Mitchell, Illustrations by Brian Froud? > > see: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0689035934/qid=1089504918/sr=1 - -3/ref=sr_1_3/104-8057265-6587152?v=glance&s=books > > I mean why didn't she illustrate it herself? > > just wondering... > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zoob > > > --------------------------------- > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:39:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: did Joni do like George -- now NJC just for the hell of it - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Catherine writes: > > << This is what I love about this list. So many > different > takes on Joni's songs, and they could all be right. > >> > > Huh? I have read some pretty pathetic and feeble > takes on "your notches, > liberation doll," for one. The way I see it, there's > my take and then everyone > else is wrong wrong wrong. No - they're all right - except for yours!!! > By the way, old friend, I finished "The Eyre Affair" > yesterday. What a wacky > book. I don't think I'll be rushing off to read any > more Thursday Next novels, > to be honest. Same problem I have reading anything > too weird, such as science > fiction -- if I can't suspend disbelief, I can't get > into it. So now, as your > punishment, you have to recommend something good. > Well, pack your suspenders of disbelief and I'll come meet your alternate plane of reality; for right here on this event horizon of mine - here's a book that should be just up your diagon alley. It's called "Chelsea Morning" and it's by someone called Joni Mitchell (pfft! like that's a real name!) with illustrations by one Brian "Ain't too" Froud Tobeg. Enjoy!!! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:59:30 -0500 From: "mackoliver" Subject: fahrenheit njc Went to see Fahrenheit last eve. Didn't change my mind any or really inform me on anything I didn't know already but did strengthen my resolve to help get that thing from the White House. Boring at times but I felt the pain of the woman when she cried for her dead son at the White House area. Shameless, then again I knew that already when he was here in Texas. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:30:24 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? Richard Flynn wrote: > This looks to me like an example of the celebrity musician picture book, a > subset of the celebrity children's book, which Madonna--or Esther, or > whatever her name is--has exploited to her great financial benefit. On the > children's literature listserv I participate on, these books are often the > subject of scornful commentary. > > Other examples of pop singers' books include a couple of Billy Joel songs > set to pictures, and Dylan ("Man Gave Names to the Animals"). You are right-Barnes and Noble have a bunch of them by the likes of LeeAnn Rimes, John Lithgow, The Beatles (Yellow Submarine), even They Might Be Giants (although I always thought They Were Probably Disposable 80's Crap, but what do I know?). The Chelsea Morning book comes out Oct. 1, and is 925 pages smaller than Bill Clinton's book (32 pages to be exact), and comes with a CD! That's right, it comes with a CD, but what is on it? They don't say. I'm guessing it's the song "Chelsea Morning" and nothing more. Under $13 from Amazon. Here's the description from B&N: Product Details: ISBN: 0689035934 Publisher: ibooks, Incorporated Format: Hardcover, 32pp Age Range: 4 to 8 Pub. Date: October 2004 From the Publisher It's a day filled with fantasy and fairies, rainbows and butterscotch. Joni Mitchell's classic song "Chelsea Morning" becomes a delightful children's picture book when combined with the imagination of famed illustrator, Brian Froud. Dreamy creatures frolic as a young girl wakes to a smiling sun, passes the day with various pixies, and eventually says goodnight to a moon enchantress. Vivid and enthralling, this book and CD set will introduce a whole new generation to Joni's touching lyrics and will be a treasure to her legions of fans. Here's a large jpeg of the cover-WARNING-do not look at this if you are on drugs! http://a1204.g.akamai.net/7/1204/1401/04052514011/images.barnesandnoble.com/images/7790000/7795167.jpg Publisher's descriptive page: http://www.ibooksinc.com/milkcookies/source/0-689-03593-4_info.htm I recommend getting one of these for that kid or grandkid in your life. The two previous ones went extinct (Both Sides Now and Circle Game). It's something they can pass on to their kids, from that Joni freak old timer (ie you). Also, you can switch the CD with one you burned yourself, with a bunch of great Joni songs on it. Amazon says release date is Oct. 1. Jonivangelistically, RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:55:25 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: UCLA Joni archives?? I found this link to something called "Joni Mitchell Collection of musical arrangements, 1960-1970" "1 box(.5 lin.ft)", "Collection consists of holographs of musical socres of "Chelsea morning," "I don't know where I stand," and "Who," arranged for orchestra by Don Bogley." A holograph is "a document wholly in the handwriting of its author; also : the handwriting itself" I guess that means they are handwritten by Mr. Bogley. What is "Who"?. I thought Who was on first. Anyway, it says that they can be viewed with advance notice to the UCLA Library, and that the "container list is not yet available online". RR http://www.oac.cdlib.org/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?type=boolean;c=tranoacX;view=text;subview=fulltext;drgn=item;id=ark%3A%2F13030%2Fft5779n76r ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:27:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? now TMBG NJC **They Might Be Giants (although I always thought They Were Probably Disposable 80's Crap, but what do I know?). Nope - not crap, and certainly not disposable...not all of it anyway, they do have throwaway stuff to be sure but they are a brilliant band, still going strong ("Spine", their new one, comes out this Tuesday) and very innovative. They were the first group to release a downloadable-only album (Long Tall Weekend way back in 1999) and their Dial-A-Song service is still up and running too. In the early days, they's feature a new song every day! Some were just snippets of ideas, but lots of them were really cool. Their songs are funny and melodic and appeal to children, which is why they recorded their children's project "No!". Their writing is very unique - they pick subjects that nobody else picks and they remain very prolific, and for the most part very profound as well. Oh, and their live shows are WAY fun and very kickass. One of my favorite song of theirs - "Your Racist Friend", which is a song about not tolerating intolerance, sort of: This is where the party ends I can't stand here listening to you And your racist friend I know politics bore you But I feel like a hypocrite talking to you And your racist friend It was the loveliest party that I've ever attended If anything was broken I'm sure it could be mended My head can't tolerate this bobbing and pretending Listen to some bullet-head and the madness that he's saying This is where the party ends I'll just sit here wondering how you Can stand by your racist friend I know politics bore you But I feel like a hypocrite talking to you You and your racist friend This is where the party ends I can't stand here listening to you And your racist friend I know politics bore you But I feel like a hypocrite talking to you And your racist friend Out from the kitchen to the bedroom to the hallway Your friend apologizes, he could see it my way He let the contents of the bottle do the thinking Can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding This is where the party ends I can't stand here listening to you And your racist friend I know politics bore you But I feel like a hypocrite talking to you And your racist friend Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:31:20 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? -- NJC because I say so Cutting and pasting from B & N, RR writes: << Vivid and enthralling, this book and CD set will introduce a whole new generation to Joni's touching lyrics and will be a treasure to her legions of fans. >> Speaking of a whole new generation, what happened to the 13-year-old JMDL poster from Australia named Dylan? Did he get sick of our discussions of minty fresh denture adhesives and flee? I enjoyed his posts because he expressed himself so well and I loved the fact that he was a Joni fan. (It gave me hope for an increasingly dim-looking future.) RR also wrote: << Here's a large jpeg of the cover-WARNING-do not look at this if you are on drugs! >> Good God! Joni is letting her song be associated with this hideous and scary style of illustration? I think she could have pooped out a better cover in about half an hour. By the way, I was not on drugs when I looked at the cover, but I am thinking about changing that now. Anyway, how does one go about getting drugs these days? I opened my front door at dusk last evening and a guy walking by with a little girl and a woman said, "Hey, you wouldn't happen to have a bone, wouldja?" Since my hearing sucks and I was sure I had misunderstood, I said, "What?" And he said, "You know ... marijuana. Got any extra?" Then the woman yelled at him and they moved on. - --Smurf, laughing at the concept of extra marijuana "Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away." - --Elvis Presley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:25:00 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: NJC Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? now TMBG NJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **They Might Be Giants (although I always thought > They Were Probably Disposable 80's Crap, but what do I know?). > > Nope - not crap, and certainly not disposable...not all of it anyway, they do > have throwaway stuff to be sure but they are a brilliant band, still going > strong ("Spine", their new one, Okay, slap me silly. Although I seem to remember some bombastic videos in the early days of MTV....ah, nostalgia... remember the MTV moon landing station ID's? And those choppy guitar chords? RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 02:54:01 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Vermont's best kept secret, njc Just came back from Ireland where I saw John Martyn last night in a 115 seat tavern. The opening act was a singer from Vermont, who already had 5 self produced albums: Louise Taylor. She knocked everybody's socks off. The lady's got soul, and she can swing too while playing folk on her acoustic guitar. Check her out on www.louisetaylor.com. If you're too busy, just listen to the title track of "Written in Red" and you'll get the idea. It's all great original stuff, and I'm getting it all. She's a winner for Joni fans, IMHO. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:17:36 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: RE: Re strange mail from JMDL I'm kinda relieved that I'm not alone....It's really kinda spooky, like being in the twilight zone or something. Sure, I've seen strange things enter my mail box in the past, but to come across one that holds a digest from my beloved JMDL? Has a sorta Kafka-esque quality to it. (metamorphosis of the JMDL..oh no!) Luckily my hotmail account kills email viruses, and it deleted the attachment before I had a chance to peek (not that I would have anyhow). <> I don't keep an address book for this reason. What is the purpose for such a dumb virus/worm? Only a true "cornholio" would invent such a retarded device! Mia _________________________________________________________________ Get tips for maintaining your PC, notebook accessories and reviews in Technology 101. http://special.msn.com/tech/technology101.armx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:56:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Vermont's best kept secret, njc - --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > Just came back from Ireland where I saw John Martyn > last night in a 115 seat > tavern. > The opening act was a singer from Vermont, who > already had 5 self produced > albums: Louise Taylor. > She knocked everybody's socks off. The lady's got > soul, and she can swing > too while playing folk on her acoustic guitar. > Check her out on www.louisetaylor.com. Wow! She IS good, Laurent, so thanks for this. She sounds a bit like Bonnie Raitt but, then again, not really. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:52:06 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: The Patriot's Act, NJC http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op- moore4jul04,1,3384147.s tory?coll=la-news-comment-opinions The Patriot's Act What's more American than asking questions? July 4, 2004 By Michael Moore, Michael Moore's latest documentary film is "Fahrenheit 9/11." NEW YORK b As a young boy, I loved the American flag. I'd lead my younger sisters in patriotic parades up and down the sidewalk, waving the flag, blowing a whistle and reciting the Pledge of Allegiance over and over until my sisters begged me to let them go back to their Easy-Bake Oven. I loved singing the national anthem. I won an essay contest on "What the Flag Means to Me." I decorated my bicycle with little American flags for a Fourth of July parade and won a prize for that too. I became an Eagle Scout and proudly promised to do my duty to God and country. And every year I asked to be the one who planted the flag on the grave of my uncle, a paratrooper who was killed in World War II. I was taught to admire his sacrifice, and I hoped to grow up and do my part, as he had, to keep us free. But, in high school, things changed. Nine boys from my school came back home from Vietnam in boxes. Draped over each coffin was the American flag. I knew that they also had made a sacrifice. But their sacrifice wasn't for their country: They were sent to die by men who lied to them. Those men b presidents, senators, government officials b wrapped themselves in the flag too, hoping that their lies would never be questioned, never be discovered. They wrapped themselves in the very flag that was placed on the coffins of my friends and neighbors. I stopped singing the national anthem at football games, and I stopped putting out the flag. I realize now I never should have stopped. For too long now we have abandoned our flag to those who see it as a symbol of war and dominance, as a way to crush dissent at home. Flags are flying from the back of SUVs, rising high above car dealerships, plastering the windows of businesses and adorning paper bags from fast-food restaurants. But these flags are intended to send a message: "You're either with us or you're against us," "Bring it on!" or "Watch what you say, watch what you do." Those who absconded with our flag now use it as a weapon against those who question America's course. They remind me of that famous 1976 photo of an anti-busing demonstrator in Boston thrusting a large American flag on a pole into the stomach of the first black man he encountered. These so-called patriots hold the flag tightly in their grip and, in a threatening pose, demand that no one ask questions. Those who speak out find themselves shunned at work, harassed at school, booed off Oscar stages. The flag has become a muzzle, a piece of cloth stuffed into the mouths of those who dare to ask questions. I think it's time for those of us who love this country b and everything it should stand for b to reclaim our flag from those who would use it to crush rights and freedoms, both here at home and overseas. We need to redefine what it means to be a proud American. If you are one of those who love what President Bush has done for this country and believe you must blindly follow the president to deserve to fly the flag, you should ask yourself some difficult questions about just how proud you are of the America we now inhabit: Are you proud that one in six children lives in poverty in America? Are you proud that 40 million adult Americans are functional illiterates? Are you proud that the bulk of the jobs being created these days are low- and minimum-wage jobs? Are you proud of asking your fellow Americans to live on $5.15 an hour? Are you proud that, according to a National Geographic Society survey, 85% of young adult Americans cannot find Iraq on the map (and 11% cannot find the United States!)? Are you proud that the rest of the world, which poured out its heart to us after Sept. 11, now looks at us with disdain and disgust? Are you proud that nearly 3 billion people on this planet do not have access to clean drinking water when we have the resources and technology to remedy this immediately? Are you proud of the fact that our president sent our soldiers off to a war that had nothing to do with the self-defense of this country? If these things represent what it means to be an American these days b and I am an American b should I hang my head in shame? No. Instead, I intend to perform what I believe is my patriotic duty. I can't think of a more American thing to do than raise questions b and demand truthful answers b when our leader wants to send our sons and daughters off to die in a war. If we don't do that b the bare minimum b for those who offer to defend our country, then we have failed them and ourselves. They offer to die for us, if necessary, so that we can be free. All they ask in return is that we never send them into harm's way unless it is absolutely necessary. And with this war, we have broken faith with our troops by sending them off to be killed and maimed for wrong and immoral reasons. This is the true state of disgrace we are living in. I hope we can make it up someday to these brave kids (and older men and women in our reserves and National Guard). They deserve an apology, they deserve our thanks b and a raise b and they deserve a big parade with lots of flags. I would like to lead that parade, carrying the largest flag. And I would like the country to proclaim that never again will a war be fought unless it is our last resort. Let's create a world in which, when people see the Stars and Stripes, they will think of us as the people who brought peace to the world, who brought good-paying jobs to all citizens and clean water for the world to drink. In anticipation of that day, I am putting my flag out today, with hope and with pride. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:59:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Re strange mail from JMDL - --- mia ortlieb wrote: What > is the purpose for such a > dumb virus/worm? Only a true "cornholio" would > invent such a retarded > device! LOL! That's it exactly. Beavis and Butthead with computers. Only they've got brains - but their brains are wired very strangely! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 02:12:46 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: July 12 On July 12 the following article was published: 2001: "Artist Profiles" - BBC Online (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=691 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 23:11:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Orts Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning Book?!?!?!? "Chelsea Morning" strikes me as an odd choice for a children's book (or children's anything) but I just ran through the lyrics in my head and I guess it works . . . But I heard this song as a "morning after" song, where Joni is still aglow from the loving and is seeing everything fresh and new and trying to entice her lover to stay and put on the day (i.e. nothing) and weare it 'til the night comes. In other words, while it's full of clever descriptions and some imaginative language, it just seems a bit adult for a children's book. Anyone else feel this way? Or am I turning into dirty old man. - -Neil dirty middle-aged man at best ===== Neil Ellis Orts 713-838-1787 Houston, TX keep up with my creative endeavors--join my newsletter list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neonews ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:24:30 +0100 From: colin Subject: mpeg assistance njc I have some mpegs on my pc. They are obver 1gb in size. Real Player and other players I have, report some of them as only being 16 minutes or 2mins long but they are over an hour long. RP will play beyond the reported time but one cannot ff past that time. I have a software program that will convert these to DVD or MPEG1 0r 2 but it only sees the reported time, not the whole file. The same goes for my DVD burning software-only sees the reported time, not the whole file. i have no idea why this is so.(I imagine the film has chapters or something) Does anyone know? Does anyone know how I can solve this problem or know of a program i can use that will re record them? Thank you. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #304 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)