From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #300 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, July 8 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 300 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Sarcastic Joni lyrics [Melissa ] Re: roger dodger njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: LOL - Sarcastic Joni lyrics [Jerry Notaro ] Assistance requested for UK JMDL'er [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: It's Edwards! njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: LOL - Sarcastic Joni lyrics [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC - JONIFEST - VERY IMPORTANT ["Donna Binkley" ] POLITESSE-NJC WELL ALMOST ["Suzanne MarcAurele" ] JT asks a riddle, njc [] Re: JT asks a riddle, njc [Brian Gross ] Re: Follow-up to checking in with you all [Catherine McKay ] Re: fact on film? njc ["Kakki" ] RE: fact on film? njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Today's Library Links: July 8 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: fact on film? njc ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 17:43:09 +1000 From: Melissa Subject: Re: Sarcastic Joni lyrics Wes asked: 3Any other funny or sarcastic Joni lyrics anyone would like to share?2 I seem to recall a similar thread a year or so ago about Joni lines that make us laugh. Some that immediately spring to mind: 3I met a redneck on a Grecian isle Who did the goat dance very well He gave me back my smile But he kept my camera to sell2 (California) 3Dreaming of the pleasure I9m going to have Watching your hairline recede My vain darling2 (Just Like this Train) 3Coyote9s in the coffee shop He9s staring a hole in his scrambled eggs He picks up mu scent on his fingers While he9s watching the waitresses legs2 (Coyote) 3Well there9s a wide, wide world of noble causes And lovely landscapes to discover But all I really want right now Is find another lover2 (Song for Sharon) NP: Nobody9s Girl, Bonnie Raitt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 08:27:36 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: roger dodger njc > "Roger," of course, has a military tradition, meaning "I have received and I > understand your message." > > I also remember it as a vulgar verb: a man who has had sex with a > woman---casual, perhaps achieved in part through intimidation, more than a > little > exploitative---might brag in his conversation or memoirs that he "rogered" > her. > Literature majors, help me out here!!! The verb means to copulate, and goes back to the 18th century. Though I think here it means more like I received your message. > > The phrase "Roger Dodger" or "Roger, Dodger, old codger!" is an archaic > interjection meaning "So be it!" "Count me in!" or "Right on!" > > DAVID LAHM > Remember the Artful Dodger? Good old Dickens! In that sense, dodger would be someone miserly and sly. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:43:35 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: LOL - Sarcastic Joni lyrics > Any other funny or sarcastic Joni lyrics anyone would like to share? > > Thanks, > Wes > "Watching your hairline recede, my vain darling," jumps to the top of the list. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:05:48 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Assistance requested for UK JMDL'er Hi all, Is there anyone in the UK who can duplicate the "Joni On The BBC" video in PAL format for a UK chap? Let me know offlist and I'll hook y'all up. Bob NP: Beck, "Lonesome Tears" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:15:59 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: It's Edwards! njc **Well, I don't agree with that at all, Bob. Although it's true that the Republicans have spent alot of money trying to instill that impression in voters. I don't buy it. (What does "namby-pamby" mean anyway?)** Well, Dictionary.com defines namby-pamby as: "Lacking vigor or decisiveness; spineless." And I suppose the spineless part is a tad harsh but the 'lacking vigor' part rings pretty true, from my POV anyway. But I could be totally wrong - you have to remember that the Democratic campaigns don't spend much resources in South Carolina, so I don't get to see much of his marketing strategy. I've been to his website and it was OK but again nothing really dynamic. And maybe the GOP has spent a lot to make him seem that way, even according to a lot of the left-leaning columnists I read, Kerry's doing a pretty good job of it all on his own. Don't get me wrong - the guy still gets my vote in November, he just doesn't enthrall me very much, that's all. I hope that Edwards can kick up the excite-o-meter a couple of notches. Bob NP: Beck, "End Of The Day" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:25:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: LOL - Sarcastic Joni lyrics Hi Wes, great to see you posting...I don't know as Joni uses sarcasm per se a lot in her writing as she typically is very direct in what she says most of the time, but to me her debut song is one of her most sarcastic. "I Had A King" describes Chuck's car as a 'salt-rusted carriage', and she pokes fun at the 'ladies in ginham' that blush when he sings of war and woe. Humor & sarcasm are two different things...I always thought her funniest line was the one from "Talk To Me": I didn't know I drank such a lot Till I pissed a tequila anaconda The full length of the parking lot! Then she does the whole chicken-squawking thing which is pretty funny too! Bob NP: Beck, "Round The Bend" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:46:14 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: NJC - JONIFEST - VERY IMPORTANT To everyone signed up for Jonifest, This is a reminder that all balances were due on June 15, 2004. Attached is a table listing everyone who still owes a balance, a donation or a legal form. Would everyone please check this list even if you think you are all set. If you need to know how much you owe, please go to www.jmdl.com to check your personal information. PLEASE REMEMBER: 1. Balances made out to Ashara Productions, LLC 2. Donations made out to Les Irvin - A DONATION IS REQUIRED FOR EACH PERSON 3. All checks and legal forms mailed to Donna Binkley, 1710 Seamist, Houston, Texas 77008 Thanks, Donna [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of Jonifest Table.doc] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:08:17 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: going away, briefly (njc) I'll be traveling away from my e-mail for about a week. Everybody be well, DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:25:43 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: Follow-up to checking in with you all Thanks for the warm welcome, Mr. Paz. As I was writing about M.G. I thought about how much this list means to me, even though almost all I ever do is lurk. I just returned from a vacation that allowed me to see places I would never have seen, thanks to the special relationships that have developed over the years of attending Jonifests, first at Ashara's home in Topsfield in 1998, and now at Full Moon. I know that for some, that a choice must be made between coming to Full Moon this August, or doing some other summer thing. I am one of the fortunate ones, as I get to have my cake (went on vacation in June) and eat it too (Full Moon for a long weekend). However, even if this turned out to be your summer's holiday, I encourage all of you who are open to the experience of hearing music - some of it sublime, some of it, well, heartfelt - having seemingly endless hours for conversation, making new friends, seeing people face-to-face with whom you have only communicated through email, laughing and crying, dancing and hiking, then sign up for Jonifest 2004. You won't regret it. You may end up with a collection of best friends that you cherish for the remainder of your days. Much love (and much Joni), Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Paz [mailto:michael@thepazgroup.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:05 PM To: Maggie McNally; Joni Digest Subject: Re: checking in with you all NJC Audacity is one of my favorite words and I am full of it. I had it too. I salute you for it and wish that more audacity and optimism and positive vibes had more strength to save the ones we really love. I can't wait to hear Julius's tribute cd that he made in her memory and hope that the family is well and dealing with the pain and loss. Welcome home love. We missed you and look forward to seeing you soon. One tequila two tequila three tequi..... > I have been away since - forever? - the beginning of June, and so have been > worse than ever in my negligence of this community that means so much to me. > I just began to wade through some of the emails, but wanted to say try to > check back in, and to specifically write about one of our recently departed. > I know that you all wrote in the freshness of the moment, but I didn't want > the time that has lapsed mean that silence was my final answer to what M.G. > meant to me. > > While I was in Holland I learned of Mary Grace's passing. I knew that she was > in great danger of leaving us, but I had the audacity to hope that she would > find a way to prevail over the cancer that was compromising her body. I send > us all my condolences, because she was a gift to us all here on the Joni > Mitchell Discussion List. Many of us who had the pleasure of meeting her in > person can attest to her personal warmth, fantastic smile, outrageous sense of > humor, and inner and outer beauty. But you didn't need to meet her personally > to get much of that, because she had the gift of being a good writer and of > being able to transcend the limitations that emails seem to force on many of > us...myself in particular. She gave great spirit to our on-line community, > and I am grateful for that. I was so pleased to learn of her plans to marry, > and am glad for her to have had that happiness in her final months. I grieve > for her family and their loss. > > With love and affection, > Maggie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:48:34 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: It's Edwards! njc SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Kerry > Don't get me wrong - the guy still gets my vote in November, he just doesn't > enthrall me very much, that's all. I hope that Edwards can kick up the > excite-o-meter a couple of notches. I have to agree. Edwards talked a good talk in his campaign, railed against job outsourcing, and such. I really liked what he had to say. However, both he and Kerry have been conservative as Senators, voted for the Iraq invasion and the Patriot Act, and violated the Constitutional provision that only Congress can declare war, without a whimper. It's about getting Bush out, but I wouldn't expect anything too revolutionary from the Dems. At least, maybe, they won't be so bent on conquering the rest of the world. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:55:05 -0400 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: POLITESSE-NJC WELL ALMOST PLATITUDINAL MUD SLINGING AT ITS BEST YOU DON'T RISE TO THE TOP UNLESS YOU HAVE MASTERED IT DOESN'T IT SICKEN YOU GIVE YOU RISE TO PAUSE CAUSE IT'S THE SAME OLD BULLSHIT WITH A NEW CATCHALL I'm for a no vote cause I am not a hick spellbound by the oily tongued Whose only goal really is: GET CONTROL OF THE MONEY S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:56:27 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Assistance requested for UK JMDL'er If you have a DVD of it, I could do this. On Jul 7, 2004, at 7:05 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there anyone in the UK who can duplicate the "Joni On The BBC" > video in > PAL format for a UK chap? Let me know offlist and I'll hook y'all up. > > Bob > > NP: Beck, "Lonesome Tears" > > ========================== This is not the best of all possible worlds, in case you missed the irony in Voltaire. Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:19:24 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: LOL - Sarcastic Joni lyrics I always smile at the pointedly reduced expectations expressed in her prayer for "someone strong - and somewhat sincere." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:24:38 -0400 From: Subject: JT asks a riddle, njc On the bonus disc in the limited edition of OCTOBER ROAD, there's a short interview and scenes from a studio. They play on a CD-ROM as grainy, jumpy video. Anyway, JT closes with a Zen joke: What did the Buddhist say to the hot dog vendor? Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:44:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: JT asks a riddle, njc - --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > On the bonus disc in the limited edition of OCTOBER ROAD, there's a short > interview and scenes from a studio. They play on a CD-ROM as grainy, jumpy > video. > > Anyway, JT closes with a Zen joke: > > What did the Buddhist say to the hot dog vendor? Make me one with everything ===== After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:36:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Follow-up to checking in with you all - --- Maggie McNally wrote: > Thanks for the warm welcome, Mr. Paz. > > As I was writing about M.G. I thought about how much > this list means to me, even though almost all I ever > do is lurk. I just returned from a vacation that > allowed me to see places I would never have seen, > thanks to the special relationships that have > developed over the years of attending Jonifests, Maggie, you may not post often but when you do, you post so well. Have I told you lately that I love you? Well, I do. So, thanks for being you - you rock! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:00:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Follow-up to checking in with you all - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > ... some stuff dealing with wonderful people and Jonifests and all. aw, crap. I should've marked that njc. Please forgive me. I can't mark this one njc of course; therein lies the problem. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:23:46 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: LOL - Sarcastic Joni lyrics <> Like you, Wes, I also see the humor in "they'll tell you where to go." Here's another one I like: "To tell him like she did today Just what he could do with Harry's House And Harry's take home pay" ......and somehow I don't think it's about shopping, LOL! What a rude awakening to a nice daydream! Mia _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:24:01 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: fact on film? njc I wrote: > >The fact that many who see this film believe it all to be true> > > FACT? All true? This is quite a presumptuous statement unless you have > interviewed everyone who has seen this film. Talk about propaganda! Huh? Haven't there been many here and in the media who have gone on and on about it finally presenting the "facts" and that they "believe it?" Haven't we heard from Moore and his supporters what a blockbuster it is? What he postulates is just about everything that I've heard from many others the past few years regarding the "stolen election," "Halliburton," "all about oil," "Harken," "Saudis," etc. etc. etc. There are people who believe all of what he sets forth. Geez, I'm not so out of it that I haven't read and listened and observed the trend on a depressingly frequent basis the past few years. >Unless you have actually seen this film you have no idea what you are talking > about... you can't possibly know what is presented as true & what is > presente as opinion or how people might just possibly have the intelligence > to discern the two but are still blown away by the film because yes he is > brilliant at what he does... I can totally get the Cliff notes version of the film based on reading about 30 reviews and critiques of it from a wide variety (mostly politically left) writers (who it seems do not even wanted to be associated with his tactics). It has been pretty much debunked and because I do not have regard or admiration for those who manipulate in this fashion, I would not be blown away by his brilliance. The reports that he is getting financial support from the terrorist Hezbollah organization to distribute the film in the middle east kind of does it for me. I have no problem being "closed-minded" on that one and not wanting to support him. Why would you want to convince me otherwise? Would you go see a movie that you believed promulgated hatred toward a certain group of people (ah, like Republicans)? I don't need to see a porn movie to know in advance I don't want to see it. I can find some value in what he puts forth because he certainly has gotten people to talk about the issues and challenge the fictions. That is a good thing. > With that kind of education I would imagine that you can easily see how the > current administration has been a blatant master of propaganda for quite > some time now... No way. In addition to my living 50 years and remembering history and events that I know to be true, I research and read a wide variety of sources to test whether what the administration tells me is true. They check out. Unfortunately most people do not have the time or energy to do the same and rely on sound bites from people like Moore or a biased media to make their snap conclusions. > Of course you do. Because there is so much in this film that is not 'about' > Michael Moore which you wouldn't know unless you've seen it. To claim an > opinion (based on other people's opinions) of a film or music or a book (or > its creator) without actually having seen, hear, or read the creation is > just so odd to me. In this case, I have read enough to know what he says and it's the same old same old. There is nothing new or enlightening for me - if I thought there was something enlightening or worthwhile in it - I would see it. I try to avoid experiences that brutalize my spirit. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:20:59 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: fact on film? njc Kakki >In addition to my living 50 years and remembering history and events that I know to be true, I research and read a wide variety of sources to test whether what the administration tells me is true. They check out. Unfortunately most people do not have the time or energy to do the same and rely on sound bites from people like Moore or a biased media to make their snap conclusions.< as the church lady would say, well isn't that special! ;~} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 02:10:26 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: July 8 On July 8 the following articles were published: 2000: "Another side of Joni" - Vancouver Sun (Opinion) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=588 2001: "It's Only Rhyming Quatrains, but I Like It: Do Songs Succeed as Poetry" - New York Times Magazine (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=651 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:41:34 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: fact on film? njc > as the church lady would say, well isn't that special! ;~} Now wait just a minute - *I'm* the one who is supposed to be in the Church Lady role and you can be, oh I don't know, Al Franken?! LOL Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #300 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)