From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #297 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, July 5 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 297 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- MRI =?ISO-8859-1?B?oCBuamM=?= [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: MRI's, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE: Shopping NJC now ["Azeem" ] Re: A studio of one's own - a female Schubert? or Beehthoven? ["Mark or ] Re: A studio of one's own - a female Schubert? or Beehthoven? [Em ] TI ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Night Ride Home ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: richie havens does woodstock now njc ["Richard Flynn" ] Songs that mention 4th of July ["Kate Bennett" ] A studio of one's own - a female Schubert? or Beehthoven? ["Kate Bennett] Little Voice - NJC ["hell" ] RE: TI ["Kate Bennett" ] bin Lauden family, was Moore, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Songs that mention 4th of July (or indeed the 5th) njc ["Azeem" ] Subject: Songs that mention 4th of July, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Fireworks on this 4th of July [] knee high njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: A studio of one's own - a female Schubert? or Beehthoven? [Catherine] dirt shoveling, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Subject: was Songs that mention 4th of July, njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Shopping NJC now [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Little Voice - NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] RE: Songs that mention 4th of July - now njc ["patrick leader" ] Today's Library Links: July 5 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Night Ride Home [Rob & Tracy ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 17:32:12 -0400 From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: MRI =?ISO-8859-1?B?oCBuamM=?= Just had an MRI on Wednesday. It wasn't too terrible, except the technician kept snipping that I was moving too much, even when I felt i was being perfectly still. I'm not claustrophobic--but the noisiness of it reminded me of the scene in the Exorcist when they have all those machines circling over Reagan trying to do a brain scan and making the same super loud rattling noises. It's funny to see that scene and realize how primitive the technology looked just 30 years ago. Don't sweat it Colin! Be gentle with yourself! It will be OK! Best Wishes, Ken NP Elliot Smith, XO ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 17:51:54 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: MRI's, NJC Kate wrote: if I had to have one I think I'd ask for sedation... claustrophobia is real... Hi Kate! Sedation sounds good to me too! But, they do have an eye cover thing you wear and headphones with music. My friend Betty who is coming to the fest with me runs an MRI, and I've hung out with her several times in the "projection booth." People seem to do pretty well with the eye cover and music, even if they are pretty heavy people. Betty needs to play more Joni for them though! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 22:26:00 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: Shopping NJC now - --- Norman Pennington wrote: > Kate, that cute lil sloganeer, gave us: And Catherine replied: <> Well, I'm a guy, and I also found it offensive and patronising. Azeem in London - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.713 / Virus Database: 469 - Release Date: 30/06/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:55:22 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: A studio of one's own - a female Schubert? or Beehthoven? I found it incredibly sad in the > American Masters program when she described how it broke her heart to > refuse Graham Nacho's proposal of marriage Omigod! The wonders of Spellcheck! lol! That was supposed to be Graham Nash, not Graham Nacho. lol! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:05:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: A studio of one's own - a female Schubert? or Beehthoven? Mark said among many other well thought out things: "So what if Joni had been born into a well to do family that had recognized her gifts? Would she eventually have set the world on its ear (so to speak) with her own equivalent of 'Rites of Spring'?" Hi Mark, I think adversity creates strength sometimes. Gives artists an edge. To paraphrase George Carlin; "tempers" them in sh_t. I think it was great she was thrown to the hippies. Or threw herself there. Just my .02. Em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:01:09 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Night Ride Home Hi Catherine You might already have had a number of replies to this but... The Only Joy In Town is the same tuning as NRH and Hejira, My Secret Place and perhaps a few others... if you're in the same tuning for NRH then just capo up two steps so you don't tune the middle D string to an E. I don't like staying in TOJIT tuning as it is higher like Coyote and DJRD and WOHAM where that B is tuned to a C. Have fun anyway... Much Joni Jamie Zoob Catherine McKay wrote: - - The only joy in town (a very summery song, one that I would really love to learn to play, but I get so frustrated with the retuning, that I tend to stay away from the ones that don't have a lot of other songs that I also like in the same tuning - mental ennui and too many broken strings) - --------------------------------- Too much spam in your inbox? Yahoo! Mail gives you the best spam protection for FREE! Get Yahoo!Mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:13:14 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: A studio of one's own - a female Schubert? or Beehthoven? > Hi Mark, I think adversity creates strength sometimes. > Gives artists an edge. > To paraphrase George Carlin; "tempers" them in sh_t. > I think it was great she was thrown to the hippies. > Or threw herself there. > Just my .02. > Em > Hey Em, I certainly don't disagree with you. I think that adversity certainly has contributed to the creation of great art and I think that may be a point that Woolf missed entirely. As I said at the end of my post, I am perfectly happy with the Joni that we've got! But I still wonder what if.... Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:44:05 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: richie havens does woodstock now njc >He was in Toronto at Hugh's Room in the spring. I really, really, reeeeaaaally wanted to go, but financially couldn't handle it (despite the fact that any concert at Hugh's Room is a bargain to begin with - -I've been trying NOT to read their newsletters because I'm trying to save some money and just don't want to know about all the talent I'm missing...) His is another in the sexiest-voice-on-the-planet list along with John Martyn. You can learn to play guitar like Richie at his website, www.richiehavens.com, where he explains his tunings and how he plays - he says he learned to play like that, because he wanted to learn fast. I understand completely. oh I so know what you mean catherine... the amazing summer concerts coming to our town has me in constant agony due to my current lack of funds to see them... I really really reaeeeeeaaaaalllllly want to see the tribute to gram parsons (only here & in los angeles) put on by his daughter who apparently grew up here with her mother & gram too... if I get a new job by next week I am going! Norah Jones, Keith Richards, Steve Earle & many more will be paying their respects to the cosmic cowboy... any other GP fans here? anyway I love how richie has his chords on his website... he's invented his own method kind of like joni... time to get the house ready for the family bbq & viewing of fireworks which we can see from our house when it is clear (& it is hooray!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: A studio of one's own - a female Schubert? or Beehthoven? - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > But I still wonder what if.... yeah its fun to speculate. And I'm sure she'd have been plenty good in the framework of classical, but to tell you the truth, to me, unless she could have stood on whatever precipice of very avant garde or abstract classical music there might be, she might not have been happy. I mean, Beethoven and those guys, they'd float off on tangents in between, but always come back to earthshatteringly strong old school MELODY which Joni seems to have abandoned.... I don't see any melody with the force of "Ode to Joy" coming out of Joni. Of course jazz...now maybe a master of jazz... or a painter or film maker... the world could use another "Guernica" - this time by a female. Its hard being a female painter in the "system", especially if you're not fond of giving blow jobs. anyway..thats just me talking.. :) Em ps maybe her classical career would've somewhat mirrored her career she has had. More structured/accesible/melodic stuff at first..then off on tangents later... ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:50:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: richie havens does woodstock now njc - --- Kate Bennett wrote: ... any other GP fans here? Absolutely, Kate! Loved his stuff and all the stuff he touched. Loved how Emmy Lou Harris and him sang together. Someone called it "falling off a log" harmony. Apt, I think. Fun as heck for someone who can sort of barely sing harmony (like moi) to hear. "Wheels" is like one of the major songs of my consiousness. "Destiny is in my right hand"..yeah buddy! :) Em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:58:29 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: TI Yikes! In one sentence she calls joni's introspection navel gazing & later criticizes her for a lack of emotional honesty... this is one critic who doesn't seem to want it either way... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:06:36 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Night Ride Home I just keep loving this song... I played it yesterday at the local holiday art & music show downtown... during our run through Friday night immediately after we went through NRH I took a bathroom break & guess what was sitting right in the middle of the room? A cricket! I spent a 4th of july in Hawaii many years ago so it really resonates with me... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 18:58:35 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: richie havens does woodstock now njc I am a big GP fan, too and I sincerely hope you find the wherewithal to get to the tribute. I, alas, am back here in the east after my California sojourn. Enjoy the fireworks and keep the faith, Kate! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 6:44 PM To: 'Catherine McKay'; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: richie havens does woodstock now njc >He was in Toronto at Hugh's Room in the spring. I really, really, reeeeaaaally wanted to go, but financially couldn't handle it (despite the fact that any concert at Hugh's Room is a bargain to begin with - -I've been trying NOT to read their newsletters because I'm trying to save some money and just don't want to know about all the talent I'm missing...) His is another in the sexiest-voice-on-the-planet list along with John Martyn. You can learn to play guitar like Richie at his website, www.richiehavens.com, where he explains his tunings and how he plays - he says he learned to play like that, because he wanted to learn fast. I understand completely. oh I so know what you mean catherine... the amazing summer concerts coming to our town has me in constant agony due to my current lack of funds to see them... I really really reaeeeeeaaaaalllllly want to see the tribute to gram parsons (only here & in los angeles) put on by his daughter who apparently grew up here with her mother & gram too... if I get a new job by next week I am going! Norah Jones, Keith Richards, Steve Earle & many more will be paying their respects to the cosmic cowboy... any other GP fans here? anyway I love how richie has his chords on his website... he's invented his own method kind of like joni... time to get the house ready for the family bbq & viewing of fireworks which we can see from our house when it is clear (& it is hooray!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:07:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: TI Kate?? ummm, me??? did you mean me? umm cuz I was the one, mostly talking about TI.. if you mean me, can you explain? if I've been dumb about something.. I would gladly be taken to task.. or did you mean someone else? :) Em - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Yikes! In one sentence she calls joni's introspection navel gazing & > later > criticizes her for a lack of emotional honesty... this is one critic > who > doesn't seem to want it either way... > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:14:38 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Songs that mention 4th of July Fourth Of July - Dave Alvin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:26:29 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: A studio of one's own - a female Schubert? or Beehthoven? >Finally, considering the wonderful body of work she has given us, does any of this speculation really matter and do we care? Would we have wanted a modern day Schubert or Beethoven instead of our beloved Lady of Duality?< Mark what a great post! It is my opinion that joni ranks up there with the great composers you mentioned... in this modern time songwriting has replaced composition (such as those mentioned) IMO as being form that most people listen to... I remember a line from the movie Fame where the keyboardist said if Mozart were alive today he'd be writing rock & roll (or something like that)... speaking of Mozart, I believe he had a sister who was also talented but because of the way things were, was not allowed or given the chance that her brother was... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:13:21 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Little Voice - NJC I just wanted to thank whoever it was that recommended this film a while ago (I "think" it might have been Azeem?). It screened on TV here (at midnight one night a couple of weeks ago - great programming from our wonderful TV network!) so I taped it to watch the next day. Jane Horrocks is incredible in this movie (if you weren't watching, you'd swear you were listening to Judy Garland or Shirley Bassey) and her acting is flawless. Also superb performances from Michael Caine (the epitome of sleeze), Brenda Blethyn and Ewan McGregor. I know I'm a little late, since this was released in 1998, but I'd recommend this film to anyone and everyone! The only think that surprises me is that Jennifer Saunders hasn't capitalised on this talent, and written some kind of scene with Bubble for AbFab. I can almost see it now. Bubble "channels" Judy or Marlene, and Eddy cashes in - or more likely believes she's hearing the "real" thing and finds a new spiritual guide! Hell ____________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:28:34 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: TI Oh sorry Em, no it was not you I was referring too... sorry for the confusion... my post was in response to the formal critique by a women whose name I forget that someone posted... sorry I forgot to include the post with my response! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 20:12:28 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: bin Lauden family, was Moore, njc The entire bin Lauden family was tarnished by one assh*le named Osama. From what little I've read, good ol' American hatred made them unwelcome in spite of the fact they were fine American-style capitalists. They were philanthropists even. Remember the lynchings? Would you want to stay in the US if your relative was the most despised man in a country drippingly thirsty for vengence? All the best, Jim Marianne Rizzo" asked, > I don't understand. . . > Why did Bush let the bin Laden family out of the country? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 20:28:35 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Shopping NJC now Uhmm. Kate's not a "cute little sloganeer". You haven't seen her in action, Norman, so I'll fill you in. Physically, politically, and spiritually, she's more of an Amazonian earth mother. She comes from a postion of strength and conviction. She's not posturing behind a poster brush and a twee slogan. She doesn't need anyone fighting her fights for her but here I am, anyway. lurking but not dozing, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 01:14:58 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: Songs that mention 4th of July (or indeed the 5th) njc Ken quoted the magisterial Aimee Mann... "today's the fourth of July. another June has gone by. And when they light up our town I just think, 'what a waste of gunpowder and sky" Well it's certainly a me too from here - that was the first solo Aimee song I heard after the demise of Til Tuesday, and I loved it on first hearing. I can't remember if anyone has mentioned Ani Di Franco's similarly titled song, although I'm not a particularly big fan of hers. Then there is Louise Goffin's gorgeous "Fifth of July", which I heard her sing once at the Borderline in London with a band including Nick Laird-Clowes and Chester Kamen. The best version of this song is the magnificent cover by one of the great lost voices of the late 60s, Terry Reid, on his "comeback" album The Driver. A truly titanic vocal performance. Azeem in London - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.713 / Virus Database: 469 - Release Date: 30/06/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 17:47:05 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: A studio of one's own - a female Schubert? or Beehthoven? ... speaking of > Mozart, I believe he had a sister who was also talented but because > of the way things were, was not allowed or given the chance that her > brother was... Wow, Kate! Thanks for that interesting tidbit. That's just the kind of thing I was hoping my post might turn up. I'd like to know more about this sister of Mozart's if anyone has any more information. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 17:49:31 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Little Voice - NJC > The only think that surprises me is that Jennifer Saunders hasn't > capitalised on this talent, and written some kind of scene with > Bubble for AbFab. I can almost see it now. Bubble "channels" Judy > or Marlene, and Eddy cashes in - or more likely believes she's > hearing the "real" thing and finds a new spiritual guide! > > Hell > I remember seeing a preview for this movie and reading about it when it came out but I never saw it. I had no idea that Bubble was in it! What a hoot! She is one of the funniest things about AbFab, I think. Jane Horrocks is a very talented woman. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 21:26:33 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Songs that mention 4th of July, njc Okay, so this one doesn't mention Independence Day, so sue me! It's surely a USA Travelogue. It's the 4th and an old rocker's thoughts turn naturally to Chuck Berry, where (arguably) it all started. - ---------------------- Chuck Berry said, "THE PROMISED LAND" - ---------------------- Left my home in Norfolk, Virginia California on my mind. Straddled that Greyhound, rode it into Raleigh and on across Caroline(a). Stopped in Charlotte but bypassed Rock Hill we never was a minute late. And we was 90 miles out of Atlanta by sundown, rollin' out of Georgia state. We had motor trouble that turned into a struggle. Half way across Alabam(a). And that 'hound broke down and left us all stranded in downtown Bir-ming-ham. - -guitar- Right away I bought me a "through train ticket" right across Mississippi, clean. An' I was on that Midnight Flyer outta Birmingham, smokin' inta New Or-leans. Somebody, help me get outta Louisianna. Just help get to hep me get to get to Houston town. There are people there who care a little 'bout me and they won't let their po' boy down. Sure as your born, they bought me a silk suit, put luggage in my hand, and I woke up high over Albequerqe on a jet to the Promised Land. - -guitar- Workin' on a T-bone steak (ala carte) flyin' over to the Golden State, when the pilot told us in 13 minutes he would set us at the terminal. "Swing lo Chariot", come down easy. Taxi to the ter-mi-nal zone. Cut your engine and cool your wings and let me make to the tel-e-phone. "Los Angeles, give me Norfolk, Virginia, Tidewater four - ten - oh - nine. Tell the folks back home 'This is the promised land calling and their [poor] boy is on the line.'" - - guitar solo- fade - ------------------- Lama From: "Richard Flynn" "4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)" Bruce Springsteen "Independence Day," Bruce Springsteen From: Randy Remote >Night Ride Home-Joni Mitchell Saturday In The Park-Chicago Fourth of July-X> Em:>BORN ON THE BAYOU.. Creedence> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:24:32 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Little Voice - NJC Mark wrote: > I remember seeing a preview for this movie and reading about it > when it came out but I never saw it. > I had no idea that Bubble was in it! What a hoot! She is one of > the funniest things about AbFab, I > think. Jane Horrocks is a very talented woman. She certainly is very talented. I've seen her in a number of other things, playing very diverse roles. Mind you, Bubble is a pretty diverse character, to say the least! I really do recommend this movie, if it comes on TV over there, or it's available to rent. Glad to see you back here again - and out of lurk-mode! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 21:51:58 -0400 From: Subject: Fireworks on this 4th of July It's 9:42PM in Cincinnati on July 4th. That means that the sky is full of light and every dog on the east coast is hiding in his "safe space" until the noise stops. In a few minutes, I guess I'll have to hand over the JMDL-4th Festivities to Yael, Vince, Sue, Fred, and Terry in the Central time zone. Then it will be time for Cindy, Giselle, & Paz to take a bow, followed by a smooth segue to Les in Denver. Then it's on to Kakki, right in Joni's backyard. I guess it will end up at H. Pat Bolin's place in the South Pacific. Anyway, happy 4th, everyone. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 21:59:58 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: knee high njc Just a report form upstate NY. . The corn in the fields is indeed, "knee high by the forth of July." Love to all, Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Check out the latest news, polls and tools in the MSN 2004 Election Guide! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 22:12:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A studio of one's own - a female Schubert? or Beehthoven? - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > I found it incredibly sad in the > > American Masters program when she described how it > broke her heart to > > refuse Graham Nacho's proposal of marriage > > Omigod! The wonders of Spellcheck! lol! That was > supposed to be Graham Nash, not Graham Nacho. > lol! Now it all comes clear - the real meaning of: "You're Nacho's, liberation doll!" refers to Joni's saying "No" to Graham. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 22:12:08 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: dirt shoveling, njc wow I have noticed that there has been this reocurring theme lately about shoveling dirt. . . pretty deep man. . XO _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up  now 2 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 19:13:26 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Subject: was Songs that mention 4th of July, njc > Chuck Berry said, > "THE PROMISED LAND" > ---------------------- > Left my home in Norfolk, Virginia > California on my mind. > Straddled that Greyhound, > rode it into Raleigh and on across Caroline(a). > Stopped in Charlotte > but bypassed Rock Hill > we never was a minute late. > And we was 90 miles out of Atlanta by sundown, > rollin' out of Georgia state. For some reason this made me think of the musings of a Canadian songwriter (not our Joan): Atlanta's a distant memory Montgomery a recent blur And Tulsa burns on the desert floor Like a signal fire I've got 200 more miles of rain, asphalt and light Before I sleep But there'll be no warm sheets or welcoming arms To fall into tonight. Just for you, Lama. Happy 4th! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 03:08:57 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Little Voice - NJC Hi Hell What I think is amazing about this film is that it was written for her specifically - well, the play was anyway! The story goes that Jim Cartwright (who also wrote the play 'Road') was in Jane's garden (or vice versa, can't remember which) and she just suddenly burst out into full Bassey and Judy and JIm was understandably blown away by this and told her he was going to write a play for her. And lo and behold, after years of doing the play, now they transferred it to film and the rest is history. It was amusing to see at the same time that the film was released that the National Theatre revived it with Jane in the lead. Funny that... Was anyone slightly disappointed by Brenda Blethyn as mum, especially after such an outstanding performance in 'Secrets And Lies'? Not many established writers write with anyone in mind anymore (well, nothing beyond,"I can see Kidman doing this role, or Tina Turner, take your pick.") It's arbitrary for the most part. Not many are allowed to or have that freedom especiall to write for someone as unknown as Jane was at the time (I think she's done 'Life Is Sweet' and various other indie projects at the time but little 'general' acclaim. Not long now until the next MIke Leigh film is out! I can't wait!!! Jamie Zoob hell wrote: Jane Horrocks is incredible in this movie (if you weren't watching, you'd swear you were listening to Judy Garland or Shirley Bassey) and her acting is flawless. Also superb performances from Michael Caine (the epitome of sleeze), Brenda Blethyn and Ewan McGregor. I know I'm a little late, since this was released in 1998, but I'd recommend this film to anyone and everyone! - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 19:16:50 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: A studio of one's own - a female Schubert? or Beehthoven? >> Omigod! The wonders of Spellcheck! lol! That was >> supposed to be Graham Nash, not Graham Nacho. >> lol! > > Now it all comes clear - the real meaning of: "You're > Nacho's, liberation doll!" refers to Joni's saying > "No" to Graham. Catherine! The mystery solved at last! ROTFLMAO!!! MEIS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 22:29:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: bin Lauden family, was Moore, njc - --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > The entire bin Lauden family was tarnished by one > assh*le named Osama. > From what little I've read, good ol' American > hatred made them > unwelcome in spite of the fact they were fine > American-style > capitalists. They were philanthropists even. > > Remember the lynchings? Would you want to stay in > the US if your > relative was the most despised man in a country > drippingly thirsty for > vengence? From what I've read, most of the bin Ladens want nothing to do with Osama - he's persona non grata among his own clan. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:06:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A studio of one's own - a female Schubert? or Beehthoven? - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > ... speaking of > > Mozart, I believe he had a sister who was also > talented but because > > of the way things were, was not allowed or given > the chance that her > > brother was... > > Wow, Kate! Thanks for that interesting tidbit. > That's just the kind of thing I was hoping my post > might turn up. I'd like to know more about this > sister of Mozart's if anyone has any more > information. > Then there was Klara (or Clara) Schumann, married to Robert Schumann, and Fanny Mendelssohn, sister of Felix. They weren't encouraged in music because they were supposed to be wives and mothers, and women weren't supposed to do those kinds of things. Maybe that's what Joni was trying to avoid. When I looked up Klara Schumann (because I couldn't remember whether she was Robert's wife or sister), I found a page dealing with neglected women composers, some of whom I had heard of before (like Klara S., Fanny M and Cecile Chaminade), but most of whom I had not: http://www.ambache.co.uk/wNavigate.htm ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 20:15:21 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: A studio of one's own - a female Schubert? or Beehthoven? ), I found a page > dealing with neglected women composers, some of whom I > had heard of before (like Klara S., Fanny M and Cecile > Chaminade), but most of whom I had not: > http://www.ambache.co.uk/wNavigate.htm > This a great site, Catherine! Thanks for posting it. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 20:17:39 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Songs that mention 4th of July > LOL! Then there's the classic: > I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy > Yankee Doodle, do or die > A real live nephew of my Uncle Sam, > Born on the 4th of July. > How about that Rogers and Hammerstein tune from 'South Pacific': I'm as corny as Kansas in August High as a flag on the 4th of July If you'll excuse an expression I use I'm in love with a wonderful guy! M E in S ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:30:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Night Ride Home - --- Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Hi Catherine > You might already have had a number of replies to > this but... The Only Joy In Town is the same tuning > as NRH and Hejira, My Secret Place and perhaps a few > others... if you're in the same tuning for NRH then > just capo up two steps so you don't tune the middle > D string to an E. I don't like staying in TOJIT > tuning as it is higher like Coyote and DJRD and > WOHAM where that B is tuned to a C. > Thanks, Jamie. That's not so bad. I guess I should've just looked it up. That'll be the next tuning-family project, because I like all of those songs. Right now I'm trying to stay in the same tuning family because I'm constantly breaking strings. Tuning down's not so bad - it's tuning up that kills. I'm doing Coyote and DJRD, but a tone lower, so I don't have to tune the B up to C at all (for some songs, I put the capo on 1 or 2 with the guitar tuned to BbFCEbBbD instead of CGDFCE (but I often break the G string trying to tune back up from Eb - it's probably due to the shoddy way I put the string on to begin with. I figure if I get the damn thing on there at all, that's a good start. Next step, learn to do it right). I wish guitars just strung themselves. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:54:23 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Shopping NJC now << --- Norman Pennington wrote: > Kate, that cute lil sloganeer, gave us: > > > War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is > strength. > > How very 1984! And Catherine answered: << Please don't dismiss Kate as a "cute lil sloganeer." As a woman, I find that very offensive. >> As a human being, I find it offensive and ignorant but also typical of this idiot. Of all the posts I have sent to this list over the years, I think I am most proud of the ones that made him call me an asshole and put me on his "kill list." And the slimeball still hasn't apologized to Lori for calling her an intolerant liberal or whatever drivel he wrote when he accused her of making fun of a regional accent because she criticized W's use of the word "nucular." Remember that? At least two Texans wrote to the list to say that "nucular" is just plain ignorant, and not any kind of Texas pronunciation. If I am to be known by my enemies, thank God for giving me this unevolved jerk who is everything I strive not to be. - --Smurf "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering -- and it's all over much too soon." - --Woody Allen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:57:51 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Little Voice - NJC Hell writes: << I just wanted to thank whoever it was that recommended this film a while ago >> Could it have been me? I love this movie, but I have no memory lately so I am not sure if I wrote about it. Also, a couple of years ago I was recommending this movie to a gay friend who kept staring at me wide-eyed, as if in disbelief as I raved on and on about this wonderful movie called "Little Voice." Turned out he thought I was all excited about some movie titled "Little Boys." - --Smurf "Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering -- and it's all over much too soon." - --Woody Allen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 00:43:01 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Songs that mention 4th of July - now njc i had a lovely evening at a rooftop party in brooklyn heights, with a killer view of the macy's fireworks over southstreet seaport. actually, they're perfectly synchronized with the ones further up the east river, and there's even a barge out by liberty island shooting them off and synchronized. later went down to superfine, a fun bar and restaurant in DUMBO. carolee, the dj, put on this song with a reggaeish intro which i knew was stevie wonder and i said, hey this song is about the fourth of july. you know, 'everybody's happy... it's the fourth of july.' so i got home and looked up the lyrics: Master Blaster (Jammin') Everyone's feeling pretty It's hotter than July ... from the album, 'hotter than july' never mind. oh, and happy fourth, folks. patrick np - paul winter, autumn stream in a desolate gorge "the child is so sweet, and the girls are so rapturous. isn't it lovely how artists can capture us?" 'children and art', from sondheim's 'sunday in the park with george' >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Randy >Remote >Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 2:48 PM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Songs that mention 4th of July > > >Night Ride Home-Joni Mitchell >Saturday In The Park-Chicago >Fourth of July-X ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 22:53:56 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: A studio of one's own - a female Schubert? or Beehthoven? >Wow, Kate! Thanks for that interesting tidbit. That's just the kind of thing I was hoping my post might turn up. I'd like to know more about this sister of Mozart's if anyone has any more information. Mark> Here is the first thing I found I'm sure there is more... just google mozart's sister... "Mozart's sister Sister Maria Anna Walburga Ignatia Mozart, called Nannerl, was born on July 30, 1751 in Salzburg. Nannerl also was a musical talent, an excellent pianist. Father Leopold took her on journeys through Europe together with brother Wolfgang Amadeus. They played Duetts. In the age of 16 Nannerl was no longer called a wonder-child, but than marriagable woman. Father Leopold did no longer take her on journeys. She only played for halfpublic audience in Salzburg and did housework after mother's death 1778. Father Leopold ignored not only her compositions, but also her love to the director of the Salzburger Pagerie, Franz d'Ippold. Nannerl had to marry a man selected by father Leopold, a realm baron Johann Baptist Berchtold zu Sonnenburg (born 1736), a widower with 5 children. They married on August 23, 1784. Nannerl left Salzburg in the same year to go to St.Gilgen to her mother's birth house. Nannerl had 3 children, on July 27, 1785 son Leopold was born in the "Tanzmeisterhaus" (dance master house), Makartplatz 8-9 in Salzburg. She was still intimately connected with her brother Wolfgang Amadeus. After the death of her husband 1801 she moved to Salzburg again. She was working as piano-teacher and also worked on a complete index Mozart's works. She died on October 29, 1829 in Salzburg. Her grave is at Peter cemetery behind the church Stiftskirche in the Kommunegruft." http://www.vienna.cc/e/music/mozart_nannerl.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 22:41:04 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Shopping NJC now > If I am to be known by my enemies, thank God for giving me this > unevolved > jerk who is everything I strive not to be. > Is Marcel Deste back on the Joni list???? Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 02:13:34 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: July 5 On July 5 the following articles were published: 1968: "Singer-Songwriters Are Making a Comeback" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=799 1983: "Joni Mitchell Manages to Fuse Musical Styles" - Detroit Free Press (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=979 1999: "Central Park SummerStage" - New Yorker (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=35 2000: "Portrait of a singer's inner soul" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Review - Art Show) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=531 2002: "Canada honours Joni Mitchell, Bruce Cockburn" - Jam! Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=898 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 00:09:28 -0600 From: Rob & Tracy Subject: Night Ride Home Marianne, Catherine the Great, and Mark (is this the same Mark in Seattle!?!?!?!?!?) wrote commenting on NRH, and oddly enough, I haven't listened to this in ages, so I just pulled it out again. I know I've said it before, but I just can't get my head around those who do not like "Nothing Can Be Done." I swear, it is one of my top ten favorite Joni tracks - there's something so poignant about it, and I gotta tell ya, I loved the song when NRH was released, back when I was 21, and 13 years later, the whole "I am not old/I'm told/but I am not young" thing is really starting to mean more than I ever thought it would.... The song really strikes a chord with me, and unlike many, I give props to Klein on this one. As for the rest of the album, I love it, especially the title track, which I find so achingly romantic. I love "Come in from the Cold" as well, which actually got some airplay around here, and while "Cherokee Louise" makes me wince because the whole thing is a little too close to home (race and geography all in one), I love the song. However, while I do like songs like "Passion Play" and "the Windfall", they sort of get on my nerves at the same time, because - dare I say it - Joni is just a tad too preachy and cranky. I loved her mindset on DED, as y'all know, but NRH is in so many ways a return to "classic" Joni, or autobiographical Joni, or whatever you want to call it, but these tracks just sort of sit there for me, not a part of the whole. I dunno, I am just so discouraged with the contemporary Joni and the bitterness, and I am sad that all we seem to hear is the crankiness and the hurt now, and I just relate the origins of that with this album. So anyway, that's my boring ramble. Have a lovely week! Evian np: the hideous sounds of overalls in the dryer ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #297 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)