From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #292 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, July 1 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 292 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: [NortheastJonifest] Happy Birthday NJC [Susan Guzzi ] advance word on karrin allyson's new album (lots of joni refs) [Joseph Pa] Re: anti american, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: anti american, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: anti american, njc now plastic Jeezzzzzuzzzzes & so on [Catherine McK] Re: typeface (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] Re: done with politics and moore - njc [Chris Marshall ] Today's Library Links: July 1 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:05:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Happy Birthday NJC HAPPY BIRTHDAY JIMMY BABY!!! Hope your birthday is groooovy and fun and the start of the best year ever! All my love to you and Ed! Now singing "Happy Birthday to YOU!" - in my best Ethel! Peace, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:39:53 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Crunchy gum NJC **That crap always cracked like stale brittle upon the biting and fell apart in the most peculiar way once ya chawed it for awile. Yuck. You can have mine, too, dude. Hey thanks Jazzy J-man! And you're right...many's the time that the gum turned to dust when I started chewing it, but if it was the newest Topps series, you could get fresh gum and that rocked. Me & Ray used to go to the 7-11 (if we could talk his Mom into driving us) and see if the latest series had come in, they'd release them in quantities of 100, and the #'s ending in "00" were always the super-est of superstars. I'll always remember getting card #500 - Willie Mays!! Damn we were excited, even Ray's Mom busted out with a squeal. Besides, if not for me chewing all that gum, several of my dentist's children would have been denied furthering their education. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:48:10 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: speaking of dylan & F9/11 njc > Yes, it made $22 million in 3 days. In contrast "The Passion > of the Christ" made $187 million in 5 days. > The conclusion I draw from this is that approximately 5 times > more Americans prefer watching a hippie peace activist from > 2000 years ago brutally tortured in graphic detail to watching > a modern-day money changer at the temple being exposed > for what he is (and one who claims to be a follower of said > peacenik). Something to reflect on, before celebrating too > much. > RR Just to play devil's advocate a bit here and to pose myself a minor moral conundrum, I absolutely refuse to see 'The Passion'. I've read enough about it and Mel Gibson has become so distasteful to me in recent years that I refuse to throw even one cent away on this film (kind of the way I feel about Madonna's entire 'artistic' output). So I can kind of understand the point of view of the people who refuse to see 'Fahrenheit 911'. I will not, however, write editorial comments about 'The Passion' as I am completely unqualified to do so since I haven't seen it. But I can understand not wanting to support something that you are reasonably sure will be distasteful to you. That being said, although it is obvious that Moore is not out to present a fair, balanced and objective point of view, I felt that 'Fahrenheit 911' had some very important information in it and some good points to make. Frankly, when I consider who is running the USA these days and what they appear to have done and what they most probably will try to do, it scares me. Oh! I was lurking, wasn't I? So sorry. Is this post njc? Oh dear...I'd better get out of this pool and under cover quick before I get sunburned! (or burned in some way) lurk....lurk..............lurklurk Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:22:41 -0400 From: Joseph Palis Subject: advance word on karrin allyson's new album (lots of joni refs) sorry for cross-posting but those who loved karrin allyson's version of 'blue motel room' from her _in blue_ album, should check out her latest album called _wild for you_. here's a review and some joni references which i support wholeheartedly. "It's always a blast hearing the way a child of the '70s will interpret the classics from that era, and the two-time Grammy nominee picks plenty of gems, some mega-popular, others more obscure, to sink her stylized jazzy teeth into. Although she's most celebrated for her interpretations of Gershwin, bossa nova, Monk, and Coltrane, in her liner notes Allyson reminds listeners that she has scattered various similar covers throughout her extensive catalog. Weaving her wistful vocals like a precise thread through the needle-sharp, often sparse piano-based arrangements of Gil Goldstein, she does an admirable job with Cat Stevens, Elton John, and James Taylor, but seems most comfortable and passionate tackling hits by the ladies who no doubt fostered her childhood dreams. She adds elegance and a lightly swinging grace to "Feel Like Makin' Love," offers thoughtful, plaintive twists on two Carly Simon gems, and earns a quote of praise from Melissa Manchester herself for a soulful, rangy rendition of "I Got Eyes." Hands down, however, Allyson's voice is best suited to interpret Joni Mitchell, and her vibrant, alternately restrained and powerful cruises through percussive arrangements of "All I Want" and "Help Me" are the album's true highlights. Since Allyson has made past recordings focused on covers of one artist's material, it wouldn't be fantasizing too much to want her at some point to do an all-Mitchell tribute. She's at her wildest when she's taking chances." ~ Jonathan Widran, All Music Guide Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 TEL: 919 962 8901 FAX: 919 962 1537 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:24:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: anti american, njc - --- Em wrote: > from Buck's post: > "There's nothing wrong with being anti-capitalist, > unless one asks > "what > are > the alternatives to capitalism?" If the > answers/alternatives are > socialism, > communism, or any other system that stifles > individual initiative, > responsibility, and opportunity, then I submit > there's a LOT wrong with > being anti-capitalist. Just my $0.02. Your mileage > may vary." > > Hi Buck, and all. > this is also just my .02. > I think that socialism only stifles the human > initiative of people who > are "entrepeneurs". > I, for one, have not one entrepeneurial bone in my > body. Creativity, to > my mind, is not the same as entrepeneurism. > Yet I get up every day and go to a job, and do that > job and function > quite well as a "cog". > I see capitalism not doing too well now..so many > small businesses, who > can't afford health insurance. > I see this as the fault of capitalism itself. > I see the huge businesses like the WalMarts > etc...and I see the small > businesses who can't afford health ins. - and not a > whole lot in > between. I don't see how capitalism and socialism need be mutually exclusive. Not all forms of socialism stifle creativity. We're no more censored here in Canada than you are in the US and yet we have "socialized" medicine. If you get sick, you can see a doctor or get surgery and not have to worry about how you're going to pay the bill. It's not a perfect system by any means, but we really aren't all created equal, much as we'd like to believe that we are. Sometimes it's hard work, sometimes it's being in the right place at the right time, and sometimes it's being the meanest sonofabitch in the sandbox that gets people ahead, but there are a whole bunch of reasons why the poor are not necessarily the deserving poor. An accident or an illness or being laid off a job can and does happen to people every day. These things have happened to people I know, and that could easily be you or me. I don't want to see my friends or family or neighbours or strangers or even people I don't like very much have to deal with that shit alone, and that's why I don't have a problem with socialism at all. The problem isn't with socialism, but with those who have more power telling those who have less power how to think and behave. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:31:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: anti american, njc - --- Lori Fye wrote: > > Speaking of Cuba, Em, what do you think of the > latest rule on allowing Americans > to travel to visit their relatives in Cuba only once > every 3 years? > > I think it sucks. If you lived in Canada, you could visit Cuba any time you wanted. You could be eating peaches on the beaches. You could buy Cuban cigars. Nya-nya-nya. And you're right. Castro is old. He's really feckin' old. Older than me even - now that's old! He gonna DIE! and then what...? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:39:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: anti american, njc now plastic Jeezzzzzuzzzzes & so on - --- Em wrote: > > I feel I'm protected amply > I've got the whole damn Holy Family > Riding on the dashboard of my car > > > I don't care if it bumps or jostles > Long as I got the Twelve Apostles > Bolted to the dashboard of my car > > Don't I have a pious mess > Such a crowd of holiness > Strung across the dashboard of my car > I got such a kick out of this. No plastic Jesussses in our family car, but my mother was one of those people that had little pictures of saints no one has ever even heard of all over the house. She would give us kids these miraculous medals that you were supposed to wear, or whatever, to bring you good fortune, or luck, or whatever it was you were praying for. You'd roll your eyes (without her seeing) and take the thing away somewhere. I was always afraid to get rid of them in case of being struck down by lightning and going to hell. I probably have a bunch of them tossed in drawers around the house somewhere. My mum is probably glaring at me from heaven saying, "Now, you cut that out!" There'll be hell to pay when I get there. Jesus, ma! (Don't say Jesus! Have some respect!) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:11:41 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: typeface (NJC) On 26 Jun 2004, at 21:26, patrick leader wrote: > now i'm, in all my semi-geekiness, completely fascinated by this. > mike and > i have communicated about this. i send all outgoing mail as plain text > messages, but i do like to use non-u.s. english characters where > appropriate. when i use spanish characters, they come in correctly for > mike, but the ones to the list are mangled. i don't know where the > manglation happens (don't worry, i mangled that word myself. If it works direct, and breaks to the list, then it's something at smoe: either their mail server (sendmail/qmail/exim etc) or the majordomo version they use for their lists. Looking at the version of their mail server, my guess would be that majordomo is the culprit. There's almost certainly a cure for this, and that cure does not have to involve letting HTML e-mail onto the list. - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:22:27 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: done with politics and moore - njc On 28 Jun 2004, at 23:21, Brian Gross wrote: > i think you guys just scared off a joni fan. > maybe our loss, who knows? I think he's more than up to it. As long as politics stays on this list, it's something that might happen occasionally though. We either have to deal with that, or get the politics off the list. It's been proved time and again, sadly, that political discussions get way out of hand. - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 00:00:21 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: speaking in tongues/american fundamentalism NJC If I remember correctly, John Ashcroft is a member of a certain fundamentalist christian sect (Assembly of God, or something like that) that believes that god (or jesus or the holy spirit) speaks through them when they gather to worship. This results in people thrashing about in some kind of trance speaking gibberish. Now, when he was confirmed as attorney general by the congress, did anyone ask him if he had ever experienced this phenomenon of having the voice of a being from another world speak through him in an unknown language? I doubt it. Why? Because his 'religious beliefs' would be off limits in that confirmation process. (However, if Anne Heche was nominated for attorney general, I'm sure someone would ask her about the voices she hears from the cosmos and the unknown language of Celestia.) My points? 1. Ashcroft is a certifiable nut, if he actually believes in the 'religion' he belongs to. 2. Bush approves, and agrees, with this sort of fundamentalism. 3. All the 'religious' crazies throughout the world have got nothing on all the homegrown 'religious' crackpots in America. What other country has invented so many bogus 'religions'? Mormons. Jehovah's Witnesses. Seventh Day Adventists. Christian Scientists. Speaking-in-tongues-wagging thrashers. 4. We're in deep shit. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 00:10:27 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: anti american, njc now plastic Jeezzzzzuzzzzes & so on Ah is that what they were. We were up north last weekend on a small vacation. We stopped in a quaint Catholic Church to look at the stained glass. In the back of the church they had all these medals under a glass picture frame. My son asked me what they were and not knowing I told him fishing lures. So I stand corrected. Though no miracles with our fishing, all we caught was perch. Catherine McKay wrote: > >I got such a kick out of this. No plastic Jesussses in >our family car, but my mother was one of those people >that had little pictures of saints no one has ever >even heard of all over the house. She would give us >kids these miraculous medals that you were supposed to >wear, or whatever, to bring you good fortune, or luck, >or whatever it was you were praying for. You'd roll >your eyes (without her seeing) and take the thing away >somewhere. I was always afraid to get rid of them in >case of being struck down by lightning and going to >hell. I probably have a bunch of them tossed in >drawers around the house somewhere. My mum is probably >glaring at me from heaven saying, "Now, you cut that >out!" There'll be hell to pay when I get there. Jesus, >ma! (Don't say Jesus! Have some respect!) > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 00:15:12 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: speaking in tongues/american fundamentalism NJC Think you left out the snake kissers. Though I'm all for these clowns kissing deadly snakes. Bruce Kimerer wrote: > >My points? >1. Ashcroft is a certifiable nut, if he actually believes in the 'religion' >he belongs to. >2. Bush approves, and agrees, with this sort of fundamentalism. >3. All the 'religious' crazies throughout the world have got nothing on all >the homegrown 'religious' crackpots in America. What other country has >invented so many bogus 'religions'? Mormons. Jehovah's Witnesses. Seventh >Day Adventists. Christian Scientists. Speaking-in-tongues-wagging thrashers. >4. We're in deep shit. > > >Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:58:10 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: new consciousness njc Debra>I don't know what that new consciousness will be, but since it's being fought against so fiercely (even though it's underneath the obvious conflicts), I expect it to be something grand and hope that most of us get to experience it.< very interesting thoughts debra! You were inspired when you wrote what you did... so I'm taking off where you left off... the new consciousness you speak of is one that I believe is already alive & well here on earth & actually growing more powerful in spite of the appearance of things... it is still a seedling & just not in full bloom yet... some of what I have experienced of this new consciousness is: that we are more similar than different, we must take responsibility for our choices, that we must treat this earth as the living organism that it is, that violence only begets violence... & stuff like that... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 02:04:07 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: July 1 On July 1 the following articles were published: 1983: "The Field is Getting Crowded, So These Survivors Change their Tunes" - Detroit News (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=987 2000: "Canadian icon Joni Mitchell's first art show is a roaring success" - Ottawa Citizen (Review - Art Show) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=534 2000: "Joni exhibits art in Saskatoon" - Calgary Sun (Review - Art Show) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=545 2000: "Joni Mitchell's art big hit in Saskatoon" - CBC News (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=666 2000: "Just a Hometown Girl" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=594 2000: "Mitchell Art has Prairie Roots" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=560 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #292 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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