From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #285 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, June 28 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 285 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: big ugly organs njc [tantra_apso ] Re: facelift [colin ] k.d. does Joni ["Brian Hernandez" ] Big Cheesy Organs... NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Fact on Film? - njc [KindTaper@aol.com] Re: Fact on Film? - njc [Em ] Re: the Folk label ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: me too ["robin mortlock" ] Re: Big Cheesy Organs... NJC ["Ron" ] Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: good cheesy organ -- njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Fact on Film? - njc PC! [dsk ] Re: Fact on Film? - njc [tantra_apso ] PC! Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 NJC [dsk ] njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: njc [Randy Remote ] Re: njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: njc [Deb Messling ] Re: me too -- njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Joni Story [Michael Paz ] Re: PC! Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Joni Story [hell@ihug.co.nz] Joni & Christie Brinkley [Lindsay Moon ] Re: Joni Story [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni & Christie Brinkley [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Fahrenheit 9/11 (JC?) ["c Karma" ] Fw: It's getting awful lonely in the rock'n'roll hall of fame/svc ["Norma] Politics - RU Republican, Southern Republican, or Democrat? NJC ["Norma] Re: Fact on Film? - njc ["mackoliver" ] Today's Library Links: June 28 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:06:30 +0100 From: tantra_apso Subject: Re: big ugly organs njc Just put it away Smurph.... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:07:46 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: facelift Bill Dollinger wrote: > hi everybody, > > I'm back. a big hug to any of the > early-listers, and hello to the many > people who have joined during > my time away. > Good to 'see' you back, Bill. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:00:21 -0700 From: "Brian Hernandez" Subject: k.d. does Joni Sechelt is on Half Moon Bay, along the Sunshine Coast of British Columbia. Joni has a cabin there that she's owned since the late 60s/early 70s. It's one of her escapes from Bel Air. [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:14:27 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Big Cheesy Organs... NJC I am coming into this a bit late, so sorry if I repeat anyone else's comments....I think if there has to be a list of fave organ bits... these have to be mine.... Procul Harum, Whiter shade of pale The tide is high..Booker T and the MG's (there are several by him I cannot remember the name of but that is one of them) Curved Airs' Back Street Love. (any one still got the coloured vinyl LP?) Various Doors tracks but probably Light my fire (for keeping it enough in check) Oye como va..Santana pus others. What I cannot stand are the huge seaside ballroom Wurlitzer things that get trundled out to play POP FAVES,These concerts are usually enjoyed by grannies in crimplene dresses with chiffon sleeves..their hair an uncertain shade of blue/grey.... sitting in the auditorium with their handbags on their laps, fast asleep, mouths wide open with the top plates of their dentures resting on the bottom set (freed from whatever fixative there was by the vinegar on their cockles at lunchtime). Another part of my personal hell would be having to sit through endless concerts and lectures about Wurlitzers.... . I do love the occasional bit of church organ, though. AS a child we used to go and stay with my mothers sister and her husband. My uncle was the prinicipal at a teachers training college in Birmingham in the Midlands of England. We had the run of the place in cluding the gymnasium and chapel. One day, (my cousins and I having enjoyed a brilliant game of tag on the gym equipment we sneaked in to the chapel to play a game called "Pulling God's Chain" This involved someone being IT and hiding under the altar (They were GOD)... and the others had to try and sneak into a place if hiding as high up as possible off the ground (we WERE kids and it made sense to us). I climbed up into the organ loft and was happily sitting there and we were about to call out "READY GOD, come and pull my chain" (as you do when you are 6) and someone came in. WE all must have frozen in our various hiding places, and certainly no one spoke...... games playing was NOT allowed in the chapel..we were allowed in on the understanding we would be respectful (some hope).... I digress,,,,, The stairs to the organ loft began to creak and I squeezed myself behind a screen and sat there anticipating something really dreadful.. surely there had to be a ghost coming..something was thumping up the stairs. it was the Bursar who also doubled up as chapel organist. Switches were pressed, things began to whirr and some explaratory renditions of "oh I do like to be beside the sea side" and "aunty Mary kept a canary up the leg of her draws" were played..TWO VERY disrespectful tunes I can remember thinking. But then a wonderful gentle tune was played and I sat there listening with something approaching rapture whilst this music drifted across the space of the chapel below me. I sat there for what seemed like ages thinking I hoped the Bursar did not see me or the others or we would have been in trouble... The tune came to an end, the switches were switched off and I heard his foot steps receding down the stairs. I heard that music again some 18 years later one rainy sunday morning at a friends house in the country, sitting at a table with french windows opening out onto a lovely garden, fresh toast, sunday papers and marmalade. It was the Pavanne from Faures Requiem.........I love it to bits and from time to time I play it for total relaxation and more sombre reflection. I have rambled, hope you are all well Lucy Love your friends because you choose them. Understand your family because no one else can. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:31:33 EDT From: KindTaper@aol.com Subject: Fact on Film? - njc I was skimming the posts concerning Michael Moore's new movie Fahrenheit 9/11, when I came across this line posted by Kate of a New York Times reviewer's review of the movie: <> What I'd really like to know is, did this man check any of what he saw on the screen after the movie, or did he just go by what he saw as the truth and stopped there? Now the reviewer claimed to be a republican, but I think that's a bunch of BS. It's certainly possible, but the New York Times has probably the most liberal editorial board in the country, right up there with the Washington Post and the LA Times. I can't imagine them hiring a right wing guy to fawn over movies by the likes of Michael Moore, or art exhibits like "Piss Christ." I have not seen F.9/11, and in fact, I might go see it today just to see if Moore has gotten any worse since his last atrocity, "Bowling for Columbine." Did anyone else who saw that movie know that the whole scene at the beginning about how you got a free gun if you opened a bank account was total BS? If Moore will lie about something that trivial, he'd have a field day on President Bush. Another thing that really ticked me off about Michael Moore: In Bowling for Columbine, there is a story of a little boy in Michigan who took his Grandfather's gun to school and killed a classmate. The boy's mother was part of a "work for welfare" program which required her to get up early to go to work and earn her welfare check. She worked at a theme mall owned by Dick Clark or something, and Moore goes out of his way to present the idea that if Mom had been home instead of "making fudge for rich white people," that the little boy wouldn't have gotten the gun and that girl would still be alive. What I'd like to know is, where was Grandpa? If that mother was stupid enough to leave a 5 or 6 year old kid alone by himself to get prepared for school, that kid should be taken away and put in a foster home. And the Mom and boy lived with Grandpa, so why didn't Grandpa check his book bag and possibly prevent that tragedy? Moore didn't bother investigating that aspect of the story. In summary, Michael Moore is a left wing ideologue, and every bit of that way of thinking goes into his movies, so just realize that this film is most likely heavily biased against Bush and republicans and probably full of lies. And no thanks to Bill Clinton, lying under oath is no big deal now, so why tell the truth in other arenas either? Just my two cents here, folks. I realize there are probably some democrats on here that my comments will offend, but not everyone on the right is as misguided as people like Moore and the press will lead you to believe. And as far as Bush goes, I have my doubts and theories about the War in Iraq just like anyone else. It all depends on where you get your information from and whom you choose to believe. Maybe because of Bush's strong stance on terrorism we haven't had a repeat of 9/11. And who can disagree that the world is safer with Saddam Hussein out of power? We may have had bad intelligence in our method of going after him, but that's not ALL President Bush's fault. The media would have you believe that, though. Thanks for reading, Wes ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:56:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Fact on Film? - njc - --- KindTaper@aol.com wrote: "Maybe because of Bush's strong stance on terrorism we haven't had a repeat of 9/11." My first thought is maybe if it weren't for the legacies of BOTH Bush's and Reagan and crew too, there wouldn't have ever BEEN a 9/11. But maybe not..just a lingering hunch. Kinda like W having a hunch that Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11 - now they find out and pretty much freely admit that he wasn't. Anyway, I don't lack respect for your post and your opinions, Wes. I guess if I firmly believed in the Republican party (which I do not), I would actively look for Moore's stuff to be BS also. I think of Moore's stuff as art first, with all the imperfections and inaccuracies that art often brings with it. He's a few steps to the more factual than, say, Oliver Stone. All must be taken with a grain of salt and considered carefully. have a great day Wes; again no disrespect intended, Em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:17:18 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: the Folk label Joni is her own genre :~} ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:28:10 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 NJC >Something's happening here...what it is ain't exactly clear...there's a man with a gun over there...telling me I got to beware.. ...now everybody.. - - -Julius< "We better stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Yeahhhhh... Kate joining in singing & swaying... Woohoo! Tonight our annual Dylan Tribute is on & it is a sell out!!! What a great weekend to be doing this show after so many have turned out to see moore's movie... Jeff is pumped to do 'masters of war'... I'm singing with my friend on 'blowing in the wind' & for myself I am taking the opposite emotional approach doing 'lay down your weary tune' in alt tuning & some sweet sweet harmonies by my friends... (kinda byrds inspired but different) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:34:23 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: RE: me too Em emzdogz@yahoo.com> wrote: OK here it is the much despised "me too" post , but, umm, YEAH! ME TOO, Catherine cracks me up too. Like all the time. And thats a cool thing. :) Em That's such a co-inky-dink, Em - you crack ME up too! ===== Catherine Toronto - Oh can i join in too - Isnt she (catherine the loverly) so dry and sweet and sensible and soooo right...ah unrequited love is brutal.... getting a little carried away robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:54:20 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: Big Cheesy Organs... NJC hi >>>>>lucy wrote >>>>>But then a wonderful gentle tune was played and I sat there listening with something approaching rapture whilst this music drifted across the space of the chapel below me.<<<<<< last year i was in paris when they had "white night" - which involved all kinds of entertainment going on late at night. one of the cathedrals (not sure which it was now) there was open, & they had a full pipe organ going. i can really identify with your "something approaching rapture" the crowd was totally transfixed, listening in absolute silence & reverence - the sound & atmosphere, the timber, & reverb, and range of tone, and the acoustics in that building was something i have never come close to experiencing elsewhere. people who appreciate music should make an effort to hear something like that.............. ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:30:38 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 NJC Kate Bennett wrote: > Woohoo! Tonight our annual Dylan Tribute is on & it is a sell out!!! What a > great weekend to be doing this show after so many have turned out to see > moore's movie... Congratulations, Kate, and have a great show tonight! I went to the Kate Wolf Folk Festival in Laytonville yesterday, and the headliner, Joan Baez, said that she had seen the Moore movie the day before, and encouraged everyone to do the same. Said it was funny, sad, that she was nauseated the whole next day. Then she played "Joe Hill". Steve Earle did a tight bluegrass set, but the high point for me was Peter Rowan's quartet with Tony Rice; sublime! Also, Nina Gerber played some lovely solo acoustic, including "Imagine". And there was a Joni mention; during a workshop on open tunings; the leader played parts of "Marcie" and "Nathan LaFraneer" to demonstrate the G-tuning and the impossibility of playing certain chords in standard tuning. Totally folked up, RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:42:48 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: good cheesy organ -- njc Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > The real Kraft > cheesiest organ numbers I can think > > of are "96 Tears" by > > Question Mark and the Mysterians > > Also know as ? and the Mysterians. Loved that song. > You're gonna cra, cra, cra, cra now ... > Who was ?? It's a mystery......many say he was actor Peter Lawford, but "? was actually lead singer Rudy Martinez, who had been born in Mexico in 1945 and who grew up in Saginaw, Michigan." according to this website. http://www.tsimon.com/mysteria.htm np: Hey Bulldog - Beatles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:54:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 NJC **Jeff is pumped to do 'masters of war'... I'm singing with my friend on 'blowing in the wind' & for myself I am taking the opposite emotional approach doing 'lay down your weary tune' in alt tuning & some sweet sweet harmonies by my friends... Hey, congrats on the sellout & break a leg Kate - let us know how everything went. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:07:19 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Fact on Film? - njc PC! WARNING TO MOVIEGOERS: CONTAINS COMMENTS ABOUT FAHRENHEIT 9/11 !!! KindTaper@aol.com wrote: > > What I'd really like to know is, did this man check any of what he saw on the > screen after the movie, or did he just go by what he saw as the truth and > stopped there? The facts Moore presents are already well known, well documented and have been presented elsewhere. Plus, there's no way it can be argued that things weren't said when you see the people actually saying them. People can disagree with the conclusions Moore tries to lead viewers toward, but not about the facts he presents. My experience is that Republicans love to claim FACTS and not bother with context or agenda or viewpoint or conclusions or anything else that makes the issues broad and no longer simple and clear cut. So, Moore hits people over the head with fact after fact after fact. Really, Repubs should love it. > I have not seen F.9/11, And yet you have all this to say about it??? > and in fact, I might go see it today just to see if > Moore has gotten any worse since his last atrocity, "Bowling for Columbine." I never saw Bowling for Columbine so I have no comments about that, and don't know how it compares to this movie. I did see "Roger and Me" and this movie has a much different feel to it. > In summary, Michael Moore is a left wing ideologue, and every bit of that way > of thinking goes into his movies, so just realize that this film is most > likely heavily biased against Bush and republicans and probably full of lies. Everyone knows where Moore's coming from. It would be a good idea for you to see the movie first before you try to warn people off it. Good thing not everyone is a fearful Republican. > And no thanks to Bill Clinton, lying under oath is no big deal now, so why tell > the truth in other arenas either? You've got to be kidding! You mention Clinton regarding lying when the Bushies are lying every single day and THEIR lies are getting people killed and maimed???!!! I'm so sick and tired of conservatives still dogging Clinton and being stupidly blind to what's happening now. It's like the Bushies and religious right and fear-based talk radio have sucked out people's brains and turned them into automatons. > Just my two cents here, folks. I realize there are probably some democrats on > here that my comments will offend, but not everyone on the right is as > misguided as people like Moore and the press will lead you to believe. And as far as > Bush goes, I have my doubts and theories about the War in Iraq just like > anyone else. Really? The rest of your message doesn't support this statement. > It all depends on where you get your information from and whom you > choose to believe. Maybe because of Bush's strong stance on terrorism we haven't > had a repeat of 9/11. Maybe, but I doubt it. There have been plenty of attacks elsewhere. Why hasn't Bush's "strong stance on terrorism" helped with that? If his approach was effective, wouldn't there be fewer terrorists in the world? And fewer attacks? There were eight years between the two attacks on the World Trade Center. Not being attacked again, yet, in the U.S. doesn't mean anything except that the terrorists are patient and thorough. > And who can disagree that the world is safer with > Saddam Hussein out of power? It amazes me how Republicans repeat whatever Bush says. He just said those exact words to an interviewer in Ireland. MANY of us CAN and DO disagree that the world is safer with Saddam Hussein out of power. What evidence is there that the world is safer? The false report the government recently put out claiming there's less terrorism now? Ooops, another "innocent" mistake by the Bushies. Not their fault. Ooops once again. The Bushies would not have corrected that report if someone outside of the government had not called them on it. > We may have had bad intelligence in our method of > going after him, but that's not ALL President Bush's fault. The media would have > you believe that, though. After years of Bush's photo ops with no truth behind them, all promoted by the supposed left-wing media, I see this movie as an attempt to balance that. > Thanks for reading, Yeah. I'll read with more enthusiasm when your comments are based on your experience of the movie and not your ideology. Funny how an ideologue* dismisses Moore because Moore is an ideologue. Debra Shea, in NYC NP: Sunday tv news shows *A characterization based on having strong pre-formed opinions about something not directly experienced. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:10:16 +0100 From: tantra_apso Subject: Re: Fact on Film? - njc KindTaper@aol.com wrote: >And who can disagree that the world is safer with >Saddam Hussein out of power? > me and many others. the world is definately NOT safer. I am neither elft wing nor right wing and do not ahve a definate opinion on Iraq except to say that the war was not undertaken for the reasons stated-ie wmd's. As for the rst of your post, I also have no opinion as I ahven't seen it nor have I seen BFC. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:45:43 -0400 From: dsk Subject: PC! Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 NJC Richard Goldman wrote: > > And now Cheney gets off saying "Feck yourself" to Leahy on the Senate > floor today, People in radio or on tv get huge fines now, or kicked off completely, for such language!!! Even if such nasty dismissals are said behind closed doors, it's NOT language that's used on the Senate floor. Guess it got to dirty Cheney that someone was bugging him about Halliburton. It's about time someone did! I hope Cheney is as "open" during the election debates when everyone can directly see his meanspiritedness and not just hear about it. And how about that interview of Bush in Ireland? He was so incredibly rude to the woman interviewing him! She was trying to have a conversation, and all Bush could do was give his little memorized speeches. I guess she didn't get the memo about the way he's interviewed by the U.S. press, given questions in advance so he can get his answers written and memorized. And if the press here doesn't agree to that arrangement, then they don't get the interview. Bush actually had to use his brain there, and he was acting like how dare she ask him such questions! How dare she disagree with him! It was completely offensive the way he kept chastising her, especially when he'd been quiet for a few seconds and still he chastised her when she spoke. I doubt if Bush would have so freely done that if the interviewer had been a man. My thought while I was watching him was, what an arrogant ass! and what an embarrassment he is as the representative and leader of this country! > plus... have you all seen the new Bush-Cheney media hit > piece on the Democrats? using the deleted Hitler 'Bush in 30 Seconds' > from MoveOn.org in it? You can watch it right here: > http://www.georgewbush.com/ the video on the frontpage..... Isn't that something? And the Republicans expressed such outrage when two filmmakers out of thousands used the "Hitler" idea in their contest entry, even though almost no one voted for those entries and they were not being promoted by moveon.org (during the contest NONE of the entries were being promoted). And now the Repubs are making a big show of it! The Repubs are masters of hypocrisy. It's not surprising that Cheney's lack of eloquence is okay with them, but not allowed for anyone else. Thoroughly disgusted with the people in charge... Debra Shea in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:23:44 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: njc lurk lurk.....toe in the water...is it cold? is it hot? can't tell!.....lurk lurk...omigod! i hope i did that njc thing right!....lurk lurk...lurklurk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:35:22 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: njc it's the temperature you make it...what's up, stranger? Mark or Travis wrote: > lurk lurk.....toe in the water...is it cold? is it hot? can't tell!.....lurk lurk...omigod! i > hope i did that njc thing right!....lurk lurk...lurklurk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:17:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc Yay!! Even though you always disagree with me I'm VERY glad to see you back oh lurking one. Give us an update on yourself and jump on in. You know YOU can't lurk for long. Bob NP: Todd Rundgren, "Sweet" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:49:09 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: njc It's Fahrenheit 911 - that's pretty damn hot. Welcome back, Mark! At 01:23 PM 6/27/2004 -0700, you wrote: >lurk lurk.....toe in the water...is it cold? is it hot? can't >tell!.....lurk lurk...omigod! i >hope i did that njc thing right!....lurk lurk...lurklurk - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:45:58 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: me too -- njc Regarding Catherine the Great, Robin writes: << ah unrequited love is brutal.... >> Get yourself to Jonifest, Robin, and maybe Catherine will requite you. - --Smurf "Treat a work of art like a prince. Let it speak to you first." - --Artie Schopenhauer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:46:52 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni Story Here is a Joni story as related by a friend of mine from another of the lists I am even last active on. Has anyone ever heard this guy Tom Lehrer songs before. He was really a hoot. Enjoy, Paz Here is the story: While in London in 1977 I went to a party thrown by Columbia Records for Weather Report. I had known the members of Weather Report for several years through my association with the Magnets and had been hopping around on part of their European tour with them. It happened that Joni Mitchell was in town to get Jaco Pastorius, Weather Report's bass player to overdub some parts on her upcoming release "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" and she was at the party. I had by then met quite a few truly famous people and normally was fairly unaffected by their fame, charisma etc., but something about Joni Mitchell caused me to be incredibly shy. She is quite a small woman and either through my normal protective nature toward small women or through my projection of her from her music I found her incredibly attractive and seemingly vulnerable. I talked to others and didn't approach her. Later that night Jaco came up and asked me if I had gotten a chance to meet her. I mumbled shyly that no I hadn't but certainly didn't want to bother her. Jaco probably sensing my shyness and perhaps wanting to see what would happen simply got behind me and pushed me physically up to her and said "Joni this is a good friend of mine from Texas. Take him over in the corner and talk to him" and that is exactly what she did. There I was and the first words out of my mouth were, " I'd just like to tell you that you and Tom Lehrer are my favorite songwriters". "Who is Tom Lehrer" she asked. (For those who don't know, Tom Lehrer was a Harvard mathematics professor, who in the 50's and early 60's had a cult following doing songs based on current events or obscure scientific errata. Examples of this were; the periodic table sung to the Major General's song from Pirate's of Penzance by Gilbert and Sullivan; The Masochism Tango, a piece on the subject done of course to a passionate tango; Wernher Von Braun, a blistering satire of Wernher Von Braun, the former Nazi rocket scientist and then head of the American space program and the Vatican Rag which I'm sure made him persona non grata with the Catholic Church.) At this point in our conversation my consciousness seemed to float up to the ceiling, like survivors describe of their near death experiences, while I watched helplessly as I sang snatches of Lehrer songs to her. Since I never sing in public, having a voice I have never felt proud of, this was simply beyond my wildest imagination. Also here I was singing such lines as: >From the Masochism Tango and sung to a tango beat- Let our love be a flame not an ember, Say it's me that you want to dismember. Blacken my eye. Set fire to my tie. As we dance to the masochism tango. Take your cigarette from it's holder and burn your initials in my shoulder. Fracture my spine, and swear that your mine. As we dance to the masochism tango. >From the Vatican Rag- First you get down on your knees, then you play with your rosary. Bow your head with great respect and genuflect, genuflect, genuflect. Get in line in that processional, Step into that small confessional. There the guy who's got religion'll Tell you if your sins original. If it is, try playin it safer, Drink the wine and chew the wafer. Two, four, six, eight Time to transubstantiate. These and several others I sang, and thankfully she gigled through this - which complemented Lehrer for the genius of lyrics which could evidently not be destroyed by even my singing. Before we were able to really talk much more her manager came over and spirited her away to meet someone else. The whole experience took less than five minutes but was certainly one of the strangest experiences of my life. Several years later I was able to give her the three Tom Lehrer albums backstage at one of her concerts during the Shadows and Light Tour. I heard second hand she once mentioned Lehrer in an interview but never saw the actual interview. I hope it's true. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:24:25 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: PC! Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 NJC Debra writes: << My thought while I was watching him was, what an arrogant ass! and what an embarrassment he is as the representative and leader of this country! >> My heart sinks whenever I see the American flag these days. What was once a symbol of great pride for me now causes a visceral reaction that's closer to what I feel when I see a swastika than the wonderful feeling Old Glory used to give me. This country has gone horribly wrong with Bush and company at the helm. If Michael Moore's film can help change that, if it can help get these demons out of power, if it can help make me proud of my country once again, then I will be forever grateful. - --Smurf "Treat a work of art like a prince. Let it speak to you first." - --Artie Schopenhauer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:12:10 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Joni Story Paz wrote: > Here is a Joni story as related by a friend of mine from > another of the lists I am even last active on. Has anyone > ever heard this guy Tom Lehrer songs before. He was really > a hoot. What a great story! And yes, I've definitely heard of Tom Lehrer - my parents were big fans, and I grew up listening to his records. I'm sure my mother still has them somewhere (since she never throws anything away) so I'll look out for them next time I'm up that way! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:53:06 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Joni & Christie Brinkley I don't know if anyone wrote in about this yet. I was reading the July issue of Good Housekeeping and find this in the article on Christie Brinkley (who turned 50). To paraphrase, to celebrate her 50th, she took the family to Paris to have her picture taken with her kids on the Eiffel Tower. Okay, sure. We all do that. Whatever. Then this: "... a surprise party (her husband) threw for her at a local restaurant. There, her husband presented her with a self-portrait by Joni Mitchell, whose music she has always adored. "It was signed!" say says, as if she still can't quite believe it. 'For Christie, From Joni Mitchell.' Her husband's gesture, she says "overwhelmed" her." Okay, which one was it? TI? Clouds? TTT? Hmmmm. I swatted my husband with the magazine to ask what he's done for me lately. (But I was just kidding.) Thankfully, he has about 3 more years to work on it... Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:04:39 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni Story Great story Mr. Paz- > she was at > the party. I had by then met quite a few truly famous people and normally > was fairly unaffected by their fame, charisma etc., but something about > Joni Mitchell caused me to be incredibly shy. She is quite a small woman > and either through my normal protective nature toward small women or > through my projection of her from her music I found her incredibly > attractive and seemingly vulnerable. I talked to others and didn't approach > her. This reminds me of what a friend of mine told me-he was a guitar soloist on the folk circuit, and ended up at a party with Joni-he said everyone was kind of intimidated by her, including himself, and didn't approach her. Intense Scorpio. Tom Lehrer sold quite a few records during his brief carreer (he quit after a couple of albums). His song "Pollution" is one of the more well known- If you visit American city, You will find it very pretty. Just two things of which you must beware: Don't drink the water and don't breathe the air. and possibly a warning to Bill Clinton: Pollution, pollution, Wear a gas mask and a veil. Then you can breathe, long as you don't inhale. Some other songs were "Poisoning Pidgeons in the Park" and "The Vatican Rag". That guy Mark Russell on PBS is doing a similar thing. Or Capital Steps. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:14:19 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Christie Brinkley Lindsay writes: << 'For Christie, From Joni Mitchell.' >> Hmmm. Could this be the unknown Photo Beauty? I think I have read something before about Joni and Christie being friends, or about Christie's fandom. - --Smurf, who was ecstatic to get the Hissing Demos for his birthday! "Treat a work of art like a prince. Let it speak to you first." - --Artie Schopenhauer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 03:12:27 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: Fahrenheit 9/11 (JC?) Has anyone here noted that Michael Moore's production company is called Dog Eat Dog Films? The company released its first film "Roger and Me" in 1989, 4 years after Mitchell released her album. Anyone care to speculate, or have reference on why Moore named the company Dog Eat Dog? CC "You know, neither a borrower nor a lender be." --JM _________________________________________________________________ Make the most of your family vacation with tips from the MSN Family Travel Guide! http://dollar.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:14:56 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Fw: It's getting awful lonely in the rock'n'roll hall of fame/svc Forwarded from the Van Morrison list...a Joni mention in paragraph 8. One man's opinion...but I tend to agree. Best Regards, bp Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 5:13 PM Subject: It's getting awful lonely in the rock'n'roll hall of fame/svc http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/thereview.cfm?id=734372004 It's getting awful lonely in the rock'n'roll hall of fame JONATHAN TREW WHEN they laid Ray Charles to rest wearing his trademark dark glasses some days ago, the list of living rockbnbroll legends became significantly shorter. The artists that qualify as musical legends is a subjective one, but by any standards, names are crossed off it much faster than they are added. Anyone can become a pop idol these days, but the number of genuine legends is shrinking and it is debatable who can fill their shoes. There are plenty of acts who have been massively successful, but thatbs not the same thing. In some cases they have sold truckloads more records than those with a truly legendary legacy. Madonna is a global phenomenon, but so were The Spice Girls, and both prove sales donbt necessarily confer lasting credibility. What sounds right for its time can sound like nails on a blackboard two years later. The Spice Girlsb Wannabe was a great single when it came out. Now the CIA could loop it and use it to break the spirit of suspected terrorist detainees in Guantanamo. REM, U2 and Radiohead can make albums that stand the test of time, but they are still a bit wet behind the ears to count as legends. At the other end of the scale, Eminem made a huge impact but he has a long road to travel before he can be considered a legend. Hip-hop doesnbt work that way. He is going to look pretty silly singing about what a pain his Mom was when he is 45, balding and exhibiting middle age spread. There is more to being a legend than simple longevity anyway, although the ability to outlive your peers is definitely an asset. Tina Turner and Cher seem to have been around for as long as the combustion engine, but they did not alter the musical landscape as they passed through it. They just dropped a few sequins. Tom Jones and Cliff Richard have made almost a centurybs worth of music between them, but that doesnbt make them legends. They have both long lacked a sense of rockbnbroll credibility. Jones became a parody of himself before he even attempted his hip-hop album, and Cliffbs yearly desperation to score the Christmas No 1 does him no favours. Itbs hard to imagine the late Johnny Cash ever bemoaning the fact that Bob the Builder beat him to the Yuletide hotspot. One definition of rockbnbroll legends might be that they were either pioneers or popularisers. Elvis would be at the top of any list, and Bob Marley, Jimi Hendrix, Joni Mitchell, Aretha Franklin, the Beatles and Bill Haley couldnbt be missed out. The Rolling Stones should be in there, but much like a Lothario who is good looking and knows it, Jagger has been unbearable for a number of years now. People such as Lou Reed, the New York Dolls, David Byrne, Kraftwerk and Grandmaster Flash were all hugely influential on shaping the music of the past 20 years, but itbs hard to see them as legends. Tellingly, it is a term none of them would be happy with anyway. If anyone had told BB King he was a legend, he would have laughed and said "thank you". The same comment with Lou Reed would earn a hard stare and a poke in the eye. The legends who are still touring are a hit and miss bunch. Dylan played Scotland last week and he is still worshipped, perhaps more than his performances of the past few years have deserved. Jerry Lee Lewis was a shadow of his former Hellzapoppinb self when he last played here. Brian Wilson seems to have hit a much deserved golden patch and one suspects Van Morrison will keep on delivering even if they have to wheel him out in a Bath chair. Chuck Berry plays Edinburgh tonight. Promoted not as bab but as btheb legend of rockbnbroll, he certainly has the chutzpah to play up to his reputation, and maybe even the energy of his youth. James Brown is in town next week and, assuming he manages to avoid any more domestics, is expected to show just what makes a rockbnbroll legend. Catch them while you can, because Britney & Co wonbt fill their stack-heeled shoes. Chuck Berry plays Edinburgh Playhouse tonight; Van Morrison plays Clyde Auditorium, Glasgow, Tuesday; James Brown plays Carling Academy, Glasgow, Wednesday ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:12:27 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Politics - RU Republican, Southern Republican, or Democrat? NJC >From an unrepentent Republican friend... Best Regards, bp ============================== Are you a Democrat, Republican or Southern Republican? What with elections coming up, we should all decide. Question: How do you tell the difference between Democrats, Republicans and Southern Republicans? The answer can be found by posing the following question: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Democrat's Answer: Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or Oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children? Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? Should I call 9-1-1? Why is this street so deserted? We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day and make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior. This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Republican's Answer: BANG! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Southern Republican's Answer: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click....(sounds of reloading). BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click. Daughter: "Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips??" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:52:45 -0500 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: Fact on Film? - njc When did Rush join? EEEKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hide the drugs. mack And who can disagree that the world is safer with > Saddam Hussein out of power? Hogwash!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:06:33 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: June 28 On June 28 the following articles were published: 1967: "$1.75 admission" - Variety (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=642 2000: "Minutes" - Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=708 2000: "Saskatoon gallery hosts Joni Mitchell retrospective" - CBC Entertainment (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=530 2002: "Tower Pits the Garden Crowd Against Joni Mitchell Fans" - New York Times (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=900 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #285 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)