From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #283 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, June 26 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 283 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 NJC [was Covers 53] [Richard Goldman ] Re: big ugly organs NJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: k.d. does Joni ["Ron" ] Re: typeface (NJC) ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 NJC [was Covers 53] [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: J e R r Y b I r T h D a Y ! ! ! -- njc [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: typeface (NJC) [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: Beginning of Survival njc now ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: J e R r Y b I r T h D a Y ! ! ! -- njc [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] joni in Chicago Tribune ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] Re: Beginning of Survival njc now [Catherine McKay ] Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 NJC [was Covers 53] [Em ] Re: big ugly organs NJC [Em ] RE: Beginning of Survival njc now ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Beginning of Survival njc now [Em ] Re: typeface (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] good cheesy organ [Em ] Re: big ugly organs NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: typeface (NJC) ["mike pritchard" ] oooooooppsss so sorry [Em ] Re: big ugly organs njc [Randy Remote ] Re: big ugly organs njc [Em ] moonlight flower ["robin mortlock" ] Re: big ugly organs NJC now The Doors [Catherine McKay ] Re: big ugly organs NJC now The Doors [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: big ugly organs NJC now The Doors [Bill Dollinger ] Re: moonlight flower now NJC [Em ] Re: big ugly organs NJC now The Doors [Catherine McKay ] facelift [Bill Dollinger ] Re: big ugly organs NJC now The Doors [Bill Dollinger ] Re: Beginning of Survival, now: beginning of 'cesspool' [Smurfycopy@aol.c] Re: good cheesy organ -- njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Beginning of Survival, now: beginning of 'cesspool' [Catherine McKay ] Re: good cheesy organ -- njc [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:36:14 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 NJC [was Covers 53] All shows here in San Francisco (not surprisingly) including the added midnight shows, have sold-out. The Grand Lake theater in Oakland, CA has lifted the "R" rating, and is not enforcing it, the theater owner stating that if young people want to see it, but their parents are Republicans and won't take them, then they still should be able to see it, and he's not enforcing the "R" rating at all. I'm so happy to hear that even in Bob's little Greensboro, it's sold-out.\ Even knowing most of the facts Michael Moore presented, I was devastated by the film. And now Cheney gets off saying "Feck yourself" to Leahy on the Senate floor today, plus... have you all seen the new Bush-Cheney media hit piece on the Democrats? using the deleted Hitler 'Bush in 30 Seconds' from MoveOn.org in it? You can watch it right here: http://www.georgewbush.com/ the video on the frontpage..... ~Richard in San Francisco >Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:26:29 -0400 >From: dsk >Subject: Fahrenheit 9/11 NJC [was Covers 53] > >SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >> >> As for me, I'm off to see the 7:10 of Fahrenheit 9/11. Can't believe it's a >> sold-out show in Greenville, SC - whoo hoo! > >Wow, that IS cause for celebration! Sold out on Bush's turf! It gives me >hope that his butt will soon be out of Washington and settled for good >in a nice cozy chair in dusty Texas, and that he and the Bushies will >never be heard from again (that last part's a stretch, but while I'm >thinking such pleasant thoughts, why not go there?). > >Fahrenheit 9/11 opened here on Wednesday and I saw it this afternoon >with JMDLer Jerry and his >patient-with-the-joni-stuff friend Frank, both such charming men it was >thoroughly enjoyable spending time with them. After a talk-filled lunch >(Joni people are very wordy, yes?), we went to the theater. Even in >mid-afternoon it was sold-out (not a big surprise in this Democratic >town but, still, it was good to see so many people enthused about this film). > >Yesterday when picking up the theater tickets, Michael Moore, the man >himself, was outside the theater being interviewed so I joined the crowd >around him. As often happens in NYC, I say, hey, that was a nice surprise. > >As far as the movie goes, I'll hold off on a review until more people >have seen it. For now, my only comment is: GO SEE IT!!! > >Debra Shea, >in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:28:26 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: k.d. does Joni You can actually listen to samples from all the tracks from the new k.d. album, at: http://www.nonesuch.com/Hi_Band/index_frameset2.htm Not sure if anyone's mentioned, but all the covers are other Canadians.... And on her tour, k.d.'s special guest at The Hollywood Bowl July 30, 31 is Rufus Wainwright .... can't wait to see what duet(s) they do together. ~Richard - ------------ >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:27:04 -0700 >From: Mike Friedman >Subject: Re: k.d. does Joni > >I read about this in Macleans when I was up in Canada a few weeks ago. >Very much looking forward to hearing KD cover Joni! > >On Jun 24, 2004, at 5:31 AM, kerry wrote: > >> I'm not sure if this has been posted, but I just discovered that k.d. >> lang >> will have 2 Joni covers on her next album- A Case of You and Jericho. >> I >> just saw her in concert on Tuesday and it was superb. She didn't do >> the >> Joni songs, but she did beautiful versions of songs by Neil Young, Jane >> Siberry and Leonard Cohen. Her new record is called Hymns of the 49th >> Parallel and if you haven't guessed, is a tribute to Canadian artists! >> It >> will be released July 27. >> > > Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 04:55:03 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: big ugly organs NJC Organs rock. Right on. Make mine a Hammond B-3, please. Then you've got Jimmy Smith out of New Orleans and Melvin Seals of the the old Jerry Garcia Band to rock your world. Yeah, baby. Push the pedal to the metal...I'll cut the rug. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:54:14 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: k.d. does Joni hi >>>>richard wrote > You can actually listen to samples from all the tracks from the new > k.d. album, at: > http://www.nonesuch.com/Hi_Band/index_frameset2.htm ok - so if you go & put your cursor over jonis name on the map it brings up two locations for her - los angeles, & some place further north called "sechelt" in what appears to me to be canada is/has joni moved back there??? ron np - pretenders ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:10:40 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: typeface (NJC) >>Does majordomo2 have any other 'advantages' that we might want? Is it possible to configure it without the HTML option? I would prefer plain text, as it is at the moment. Easier to read. Martin. In London.<< Hi Martin (and Chris), I know we are (in) a minority but just occasionally we non-Anglos would like to include non-ASCII letters in our NP or comments in general. The present system discriminates against people who want to write in Spanish, Gallego, Catalan and I guess Laurent too in French. But as I say, Emiliano, Gill, Wally and some others (In Brazil, and elsewhere?) may like to have an opportunity to say what we're listening too and you never know, some people may find something they wouldn't otherwise have found (Bisame Mucho by Michel Camino and Tomatito for example. Ask Chuck E about this). It's no big deal but worth spending my 2 cents on. mike in barcelona NP Manu Chao - prsxima estacisn esperanza (let's see how that comes out) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:31:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 NJC [was Covers 53] **As far as the movie goes, I'll hold off on a review until more people have seen it. For now, my only comment is: GO SEE IT!!! And I'll certainly echo that sentiment. I couldn't believe it, it was a dreadful rainy day here yesterday, yet this film (totally unadvertised) sold out all 3 evening shows. It was undescribably wonderful to sit in a crowd of people who cheered, clapped and otherwise acknowledged the shameful and horrible things that this administration has done. It was much like discovering the JMDL and learning that there ARE a host of others that feel the way I do - especially encouraging here in Bushville. It's a heartbreaking film; in typical Moore fashion you're laughing one minute, crying the next. Bob NP: Gomez, "We Don't Know Where We're Going" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:47:04 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: J e R r Y b I r T h D a Y ! ! ! -- njc Yes, Jerry, have a great, great day. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:55:43 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Re: typeface (NJC) Mike (bless his heart!) gifted me with a couple of hundred mpegs when we visited Barcelona. Knowing what's going on in local music scenes, or just what the music world looks like when you up periscope in another country, is treasure. One of my favorite tapes, for example, is 90 minutes of Paris FM radio we grabbed ca. 1984. I'm onto this majordomo thread a bit late. I had some experience with it several years ago, but I'm thinkin, talk to Les and be like him. My conjecture is that choice of text rendering would be a property of your mail client, not majordomo. just speculating. In the Mac OSX MAIL client, which I am using at the moment, this is the case. Gotta say: we saw Fahrenheit 91 last night. OHMYGOD!!!!!!!! Chuck On Saturday, June 26, 2004, at 07:10 AM, mike pritchard wrote: > >>Does majordomo2 have any other 'advantages' that we might want? Is > it possible to configure it without the HTML option? I would prefer > plain text, as it is at the moment. Easier to read. > Martin. In London.<< > > > > Hi Martin (and Chris), > I know we are (in) a minority but just occasionally we non-Anglos > would like to include non-ASCII letters in our NP or comments in > general. The present system discriminates against people who want to > write in Spanish, Gallego, Catalan and I guess Laurent too in French. > But as I say, Emiliano, Gill, Wally and some others (In Brazil, and > elsewhere?) may like to have an opportunity to say what we're > listening too and you never know, some people may find something they > wouldn't otherwise have found (Bisame Mucho by Michel Camino and > Tomatito for example. Ask Chuck E about this). It's no big deal but > worth spending my 2 cents on. > > mike in barcelona > > NP Manu Chao  prsxima estacisn esperanza (let's see how that comes > out) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:14:33 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Beginning of Survival njc now Catherine the great said: >Brenda - it's great to see you back. Any time the cesspool of the music industry topic comes up, I wonder where you are...< this made me chuckle Catherine & I just had to share it... you make me laugh even when you don't try... kate who hopes Brenda is soaring successfully far above the cesspools these days... :~} ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:47:31 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: J e R r Y b I r T h D a Y ! ! ! -- njc Thanks! Having a ball in NYC, especially seeing Patrick , David Lahm, and wonderful Deb Shea. Best to all. Jerry Quoting Smurfycopy@aol.com: > Jody the Birthday Pixie just informed me that today is Jerry's birthday. > > Well, blow me down! I had no idea. Now, I want the entire JMDL Class of > '04 to > rise and say in our collective biggest Ethel Merman voice . . . > > HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JERRY! > > --Smurf, the occasional Birthday Gnome > > > "Treat a work of art like a prince. Let it speak to you first." > > --Artie Schopenhauer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:25:53 -0400 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: joni in Chicago Tribune in today's Chicago Tribyne in Amy Dickinson's column is the following Joni mention: i am on a dial up using microsoft technology as opposed to my home apple on cable hook up so if i try and supply re link to chicagotribune.com it will take hours. Persoanlly I fail to understand how "Smoking, try another" will help but just now I thought about it and it might! Vince, in Chicago for the series where the anointed of God White Sox are playing the spawn of Satan cubs Relationship roulette: Learn from mistakes Published June 26, 2004 Dear Amy: I have had a lot of change in my life in the last five months. I am 27 and live with and take care of my parents. They have had medical problems, and I am the only child that will come and help them. In January I decided to go out with my co-worker's brother-in-law. I went out with him, and like all guys he promised me the moon. He told me almost everything about his life, and I thought we were building something. He knew this was my first relationship and that I am not good with feelings. That weekend we went to the beach. I gave my virginity, which I thought was really important. All of this happened in three weeks. I told him that it was important but I did not expect to get married. After that we had sex for the rest of that week at the beach. The day before Valentine's Day he took me out and we got into our first fight, about Valentine's Day. The next day he dumped me -- on my first Valentine's Day. At first he said he wasn't ready; then he said I was not his type. Since then I have sent letters to him, wanting to know if we can try again. I feel I'm bothering him. I quit my job because my colleague (his in-law) was pushing my personal life with the professional. I don't understand these feelings or what I'm supposed to do next. - -- Heartbroken in Oregon Dear Heartbroken: Here's what you're supposed to do next: Call your friends, read self-help books, take bubble baths, listen to Joni Mitchell, cry into your pillow, write in your diary, cry some more, take long walks, watch Colin Firth movies. Here's what you're not supposed to do: Beg someone to try again or quit your job. Here's how the relationship thing works. Sometimes people hurt each other. Sometimes you have sex with someone and regret it later, which is an excellent reason to be extra judicious about it. Even though you say you're not good at feelings, you learn about feelings by having them. You learn about love and sex and loss by experiencing it. You'll be wiser next time, and I hope you'll get out there and have a next time. I also think it would be a very good idea for you to get some respite from your responsibilities with your parents. If you can get a break there, you'll have more time and energy to devote to your own life, which I believe you must do. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:32:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Beginning of Survival njc now - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Catherine the great said: > >Brenda - it's great to see you back. Any time the > cesspool of the music industry topic comes up, I > wonder where you are...< > > this made me chuckle Catherine & I just had to share > it... you make me laugh > even when you don't try... kate who hopes Brenda is > soaring successfully far > above the cesspools these days... :~} Now that I read my own words here, I hope no one thought I meant that Brenda belongs in a cesspool! Yikes! I certainly didn't mean that - what I meant was, Brenda brings another perspective to it when so many of the rest of us are dissing the music industry. She puts it all in balance. Brenda, I hope this didn't come across as offensive to you, because that certainly isn't how I meant it (laughing and blushing in shame at the same time.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:34:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: J e R r Y b I r T h D a Y ! ! ! -- njc Hi Jerry! HAPPY B-DAY to you!!!!!!! Hope you are having a WUNNERFUL time in NY. Hope it is not too hideously hot and muggy, (like here) Have fun! :) Em - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Jody the Birthday Pixie just informed me that today is Jerry's > birthday. > Well, blow me down! I had no idea. Now, I want the entire JMDL Class > of '04 to > rise and say in our collective biggest Ethel Merman voice . . . > > HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JERRY! > > --Smurf, the occasional Birthday Gnome > > > "Treat a work of art like a prince. Let it speak to you first." > > --Artie Schopenhauer > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:37:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 NJC [was Covers 53] - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > It's a heartbreaking film; in typical Moore fashion you're laughing > one > minute, crying the next. thanks for this warning, I will be sure to take multiple snot receptors. (bandannas) and be prepared to "muffle". Em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:48:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: big ugly organs NJC yeah, Ray was/is great! Thinking of the intro to Soul Kitchen. And then thinking that the riff on Walking on the Sun sounds kinda the same, right???? or is it just me? But the Doors, god bless 'em, through all the hype and BS they somehow still came up with stuff that was musically sooooooooooooo excellent. What are the odds? Its just a blessing when stuff like that happens. Like mother nature threw us a freebie or something. Em - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **But they can sound sooooooooooo good. > > How about Ray Manzarek and those Doors records? He had to play bass > on his > organ as well. Or how about Chris Montez and his Happy Organ - "Let's > Dance"? > Traffic anyone? > > Organs rock. Just not Jonas Nordwall's. For the other 790 of you that > don't > have Covers # 53, lemme know if you want to hear Jonas wail on BSN, > happy to > send it along. > > Bob > > NP: Gomez, "Catch Me Up" > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:02:34 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Beginning of Survival njc now Hey C! sorry if I made you second guess yourself as I think it was my own brand of twisted humor that made me see this as a sick joke... I don't think anyone could take offense at your comments though... I know you keep me laughing on a daily basis & for that I am grateful... I agree with you that Brenda's views are always enlightening... I imagine she KNOWS but is not OF by the cesspool... :~} >Now that I read my own words here, I hope no one thought I meant that Brenda belongs in a cesspool! Yikes! I certainly didn't mean that - what I meant was, Brenda brings another perspective to it when so many of the rest of us are dissing the music industry. She puts it all in balance. Brenda, I hope this didn't come across as offensive to you, because that certainly isn't how I meant it (laughing and blushing in shame at the same time.) ===== Catherine Toronto< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:06:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: Beginning of Survival njc now OK here it is the much despised "me too" post , but, umm, YEAH! ME TOO, Catherine cracks me up too. Like all the time. And thats a cool thing. :) Em - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Hey C! sorry if I made you second guess yourself as I think it was my > own > brand of twisted humor that made me see this as a sick joke... I > don't think > anyone could take offense at your comments though... I know you keep > me > laughing on a daily basis & for that I am grateful... I agree with > you that > Brenda's views are always enlightening... I imagine she KNOWS but is > not OF > by the cesspool... :~} > > >Now that I read my own words here, I hope no one > thought I meant that Brenda belongs in a cesspool! > Yikes! I certainly didn't mean that - what I meant > was, Brenda brings another perspective to it when so > many of the rest of us are dissing the music industry. > She puts it all in balance. Brenda, I hope this didn't > come across as offensive to you, because that > certainly isn't how I meant it (laughing and blushing > in shame at the same time.) > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto< > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:18:05 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: typeface (NJC) On 26 Jun 2004, at 13:55, Chuck Eisenhardt wrote: > I'm onto this majordomo thread a bit late. I had some experience with > it several > years ago, but I'm thinkin, talk to Les and be like him. My conjecture > is that > choice of text rendering would be a property of your mail client, not > majordomo. > just speculating. In the Mac OSX MAIL client, which I am using at the > moment, this > is the case. It lets you choose what font to use for plain text messages, but not for HTML ones - the reader can't choose what happens to those. And Mike - good point. But... Plain text does not preclude the use of accented characters. They might get altered by old (like, stone age) non-8-bit compatible mail gateways, but it's no longer a restriction of the format. There's a Content-Type: header that tells the receiving mail client what encoding was used (i.e. ISO-8859-1) and that just "makes it work". In fact, I just sent a plain text message from my Mac to my PC containing a whole pile of accented characters. So, I'm still firmly in the anti-HTML-email camp :) - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:48:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: good cheesy organ 'nudder one would be.... "Hip Hugger" by Booker T and the MG's! Just heard it on the radio; hadda call the guys and ask who it was! Em np: Big Muddy, Pete Seeger (on the radio...) ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:53:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: big ugly organs NJC **But the Doors, god bless 'em, through all the hype and BS they somehow still came up with stuff that was musically sooooooooooooo excellent. I think it's an electric piano & not an organ on "Riders On The Storm", but that is one kickass solo, innit! When it's raining outside, sometimes I put that one on and crank it up, it's just so apropos. Favorite Doors song: "When The Music's Over" "Music is your special friend, dance on fire as it intends Music is your only friend...until the end..." Bob NP: Wilco, "Hummingbird" Damn, this new one's awesome too... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:13:45 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: typeface (NJC) >>Plain text does not preclude the use of accented characters. They might get altered by old (like, stone age) non-8-bit compatible mail gateways, but it's no longer a restriction of the format. There's a Content-Type: header that tells the receiving mail client what encoding was used (i.e. ISO-8859-1) and that just "makes it work". In fact, I just sent a plain text message from my Mac to my PC containing a whole pile of accented characters. So, I'm still firmly in the anti-HTML-email camp :) - --Chris Marshall<< ..and I'm not so interested in whether the problem is with the HTML or the Content type headers or whatever: I don't care what it takes but it surely can't be that difficult in these times for me to write the Spanish word for 'tomorrow' ('maqana') and for it to appear on the list as I wrote it. If I can do this without making big (or any) changes to the html then I am for this. I am neither in favour or against HTML per se. Me da igual. mike in barcelona ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:22:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: oooooooppsss so sorry for not putting the NJC on the cheesy organ post purposely didn;t do it *now * so you would know I am sorry! :) em << Subject: Re: big ugly organs njc Saw Augie with Sahm and the Sir Douglas Quintet around '80 or '81 in N.Cal. Besides the famous organ part in the 60's hit "Mendocino", they did "96 Tears". That Vox organ with the black keys. Very cool. Other great organ grinders: Keith Emerson w/The Nice, Rick Wakeman's Henry the VIII, Billy Preston, the incredible forementioned Jimmy Smith, Steppenwolf... RR JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Augie Myers?! Now there's a name I haven't heard in a while. > > Where do you live, Em? I met Augie back in, like, 1982 at a tiny Tex-Mex > restaurant in San Antonio, USA. His band was playing their tejano hearts out one > hell-hot afternoon. I danced til the sweat dripped from the tip of my nose. > That's when his then-new song "Hey Baby Que Paso?" was all the rage in the > Alamo City, my home town. I had no idea he was known outside the San > Antonio/Austin music scene. May I ask where you've been hearing him? > > I'll be damned if the years don't spin by. Where has the time gone...and can > I get some back? Don't answer that...I know. > > -Julius > > > I mean lets face it - organs have that about them. Within the realm of > > instruments, unless of the glorious church-pipe variety, eh, they tend > > to be big and ugly. Or just ugly. But they can sound sooooooooooo good. > > Thinking of "96 Tears". Anything with Mr Augie Myers pressing the keys. > > > > :) > > love, > > Em < > nahhhhhhhhh, it ain't me babe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:59:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: big ugly organs njc and how about the organ dude in J Geils band.... what was his name?... maybe it was JG - don't remember...also good ol' Gregg Allman is pretty hot and soulful with his big ugly organ. Big ugly organs are just a very important part of rock and roll life I do believe. Even pretty little organs are a blessing! As Bob Marley said, "HIT me with music..brutalize me..." Em ps I was very said when I heard Doug Sahm had died..always hoped to see him, perhaps w/Texas Tornadoes and co. - --- Randy Remote wrote: > Saw Augie with Sahm and the Sir Douglas Quintet around > '80 or '81 in N.Cal. Besides the famous organ part in the 60's > hit "Mendocino", they did "96 Tears". That Vox organ with > the black keys. Very cool. > Other great organ grinders: Keith Emerson w/The Nice, > Rick Wakeman's Henry the VIII, Billy Preston, the incredible > forementioned Jimmy Smith, Steppenwolf... > RR > > JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > > > Augie Myers?! Now there's a name I haven't heard in a while. > > > > Where do you live, Em? I met Augie back in, like, 1982 at a tiny > Tex-Mex > > restaurant in San Antonio, USA. His band was playing their tejano > hearts out one > > hell-hot afternoon. I danced til the sweat dripped from the tip of > my nose. > > That's when his then-new song "Hey Baby Que Paso?" was all the rage > in the > > Alamo City, my home town. I had no idea he was known outside the > San > > Antonio/Austin music scene. May I ask where you've been hearing > him? > > > > I'll be damned if the years don't spin by. Where has the time > gone...and can > > I get some back? Don't answer that...I know. > > > > -Julius > > > > > I mean lets face it - organs have that about them. Within the > realm of > > > instruments, unless of the glorious church-pipe variety, eh, they > tend > > > to be big and ugly. Or just ugly. But they can sound sooooooooooo > good. > > > Thinking of "96 Tears". Anything with Mr Augie Myers pressing the > keys. > > > > > > :) > > > love, > > > Em < > > nahhhhhhhhh, it ain't me babe > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:09:26 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: moonlight flower Has anyone seen a documentary called "When Hippies Ruled The World" - i think it may be a BBC production - Kathy Burke does narration in her rough bouncy cockneee - anyway the point is there is a good section with Joni talking about the sixties :- "Free love? There was no such thing as free love..you can't teach that responsiblity over night." "We were like children in a candy store..... it was irresponisble" and the gem "What happened was like a beautiful moonlight flower that bloomed just once." The quotes are as close as i can remember. Dennis Hopper (talking about Easy Rider) and others also feature (but who cares!) and there is some interesting discourse on the highs and subsequent lows of the flower power era. Footage of Joni singing live at Isle Of Wight festival and some TV clips that everyone has probably seen before also feature. Joni looks great (chuffing away) and say 'y'know' alot. Anyone seen it? Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:19:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: big ugly organs NJC now The Doors - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **But the Doors, god bless 'em, through all the hype > and BS they somehow > still came up with stuff that was musically > sooooooooooooo excellent. > > I think it's an electric piano & not an organ on > "Riders On The Storm", but > that is one kickass solo, innit! When it's raining > outside, sometimes I put > that one on and crank it up, it's just so apropos. The first time I heard "Riders on the storm" was way late at night. I used to keep my radio turned on all night when I was a teenager. I'd put it under my pillow, so I could still hear it but it wouldn't bother anyone else. So I woke up in the middle of the night and there was this verrry scarrrry music playing: "Riders on the storm" by The Doors. The DJ was probably David Marsden of CHUM-FM, the way it was back in those days. He was a very odd man with what I thought was a very scary voice, but he played really good music (back then, when they could choose their own.) "Riders on the storm" just has to be my very favourite Doors song (even though, or maybe because, it scared the crap out of me the first time I heard it.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:21:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: typeface (NJC) - --- mike pritchard wrote: > surely > can't be that difficult in these times for me to > write the Spanish word for > 'tomorrow' ('maqana') and for it to appear on the > list as I wrote it. Hey, maybe if you wrote it right to begin with. ha ha ha ha ha.... ... wondering how the computer *chooses* what letter it's going to use instead of the one with the tilde over it... NP Cat meowing at the door, thinking that will make it open... ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:36:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: big ugly organs NJC now The Doors **The first time I heard "Riders on the storm" was way late at night. Yeah, it's definitely one for the wee wee hours. True confession, the first time I heard it I thought the vocal was by Sinatra! Now that's something I would only tell my best friends so y'all keep it a secret. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:51:13 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: big ugly organs NJC now The Doors hey folks, I'm back, for those old-timers who remember me. hi to all the new folks i had to respond to this, because it made me recall the first time I heard Touch Me, I thought it was Sinatra. It was on a bad reception, the bridge "i'm gonna love you till...." Bill On Jun 26, 2004, at 3:36 PM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **The first time I heard "Riders on the storm" was way > late at night. > > Yeah, it's definitely one for the wee wee hours. True confession, the > first > time I heard it I thought the vocal was by Sinatra! Now that's > something I > would only tell my best friends so y'all keep it a secret. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:26:28 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: typeface (NJC) now i'm, in all my semi-geekiness, completely fascinated by this. mike and i have communicated about this. i send all outgoing mail as plain text messages, but i do like to use non-u.s. english characters where appropriate. when i use spanish characters, they come in correctly for mike, but the ones to the list are mangled. i don't know where the manglation happens (don't worry, i mangled that word myself. i type non-english characters using a basic windows utility called character map, which also includes shortcut keys using the number pad, and i've memorized about 20 of them. (i know enough not to use microsoft word). i use this functionality a lot at work, to complete web forms, to enter data in access or excel, etc. etc. my outgoing messages always look correct, but messages coming from the list don't. a (accent left) alt + numpad 0224 ` a (accent right) alt + numpad 0225 a a (umlaut) alt + numpad 0228 d e (accent left) alt + numpad 0232 h e (accent right) alt + numpad 0233 i i (accent left) alt + numpad 0236 l i (accent right) alt + numpad 0237 m n (tilde) alt + numpad 0241 q o (accent left) alt + numpad 0242 r o (accent right) alt + numpad 0243 s o (umlaut) alt + numpad 0246 v u (accent left) alt + numpad 0249 y u (accent right) alt + numpad 0250 z u (umlaut) alt + numpad 0252 | let's see what smoejordomo comes up with... patrick np - rickie lee jones, joe's pub, 1999 - one for my baby "the child is so sweet, and the girls are so rapturous. isn't it lovely how artists can capture us?" 'children and art', from sondheim's 'sunday in the park with george' >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Chris >Marshall >Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 1:18 PM >To: Chuck Eisenhardt >Cc: mike pritchard; mlg@ukonline.co.uk; list >Subject: Re: typeface (NJC) > > >On 26 Jun 2004, at 13:55, Chuck Eisenhardt wrote: >> I'm onto this majordomo thread a bit late. I had some experience with >> it several >> years ago, but I'm thinkin, talk to Les and be like him. My conjecture >> is that >> choice of text rendering would be a property of your mail client, not >> majordomo. >> just speculating. In the Mac OSX MAIL client, which I am using at the >> moment, this >> is the case. > >It lets you choose what font to use for plain text messages, but not >for HTML ones - the reader can't choose what happens to those. > >And Mike - good point. But... Plain text does not preclude the >use of accented characters. They might get altered by old >(like, stone age) non-8-bit compatible mail gateways, but it's >no longer a restriction of the format. There's a Content-Type: >header that tells the receiving mail client what encoding was >used (i.e. ISO-8859-1) and that just "makes it work". > >In fact, I just sent a plain text message from my Mac to my PC >containing a whole pile of accented characters. > >So, I'm still firmly in the anti-HTML-email camp :) > >--Chris Marshall > >chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) > >"If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" > Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" > Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:38:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: moonlight flower now NJC That damn BBC...such a tease it is. :P em - --- robin mortlock wrote: > Has anyone seen a documentary called "When Hippies Ruled The World" - > i > think it may be a BBC production - ...snip... ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:33:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: big ugly organs NJC now The Doors - --- Bill Dollinger wrote: > hey folks, > > I'm back, for those old-timers who > remember me. hi to all the new folks Hey, Bill! Welcome back! > i had to respond to this, because it > made me recall the first time I heard > Touch Me, I thought it was Sinatra. > It was on a bad reception, the bridge > "i'm gonna love you till...." > > SCJoniGuy@aol.com > wrote: > > > True confession, the > > first > > time I heard it I thought the vocal was by > Sinatra! I don't see the Sinatra connection but if two of you do, who am I to argue? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:32:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: big ugly organs NJC now The Doors/now just em's musings totally NJC On "Touch Me", I guess my thought isn't "Sinatra" per se, but just sort of a schlocky lounge singer sound..the obscene "nth" degree of which would be maybe Bill Murray in the early SNL doing "One is the lonliest number you'll ever dooooooo"..perhaps as "Todd"?? But as far as "Rider on the Storm" if I may share..I associate it with summer of (I think) '72, I turned 13 that year and apparently "Riders" was (still?) getting airplay around here. Used to hang out at a low-rent horse pasture with some older girls and our low-rent tho well loved, and very much babied, horses. If a thunder storm would come up we'd head for the so called "tack room" - hilarious cuz no one had saddles to speak of, lol. Used to store feed in there in barrels. The room, tho rat ridden, smelled good (from the oats and sweet feed). We'd sit in there and play cards (Spit) til the rain and lightning went away. Middle of a pasture in Florida, there were some rather significant lightning "episodes". In fact that summer a horse got hit and killed in that pasture. :( big bummer. But I seem to recall hearing that song on the radio in the tack room playing cards with the older girls ;P. Also Rain Dance by the Guess Who, and The Night they Drove ol Dixie Down by JB. One time the horses (10 or so) all got out overnight, and me and 2 of my buds found them across the lake in somebody's orange grove. The guy and his bro who managed the pasture (primer gray 57 Chevy w/ an intake sticking up outta the hood and they both looked just like Dicky Betts), anyway, they bought us all watermelon and ice cream in appreciation of our efforts and we had a little pastoral wing-ding. I really, REALLY associate "Riders" w/ this time and place in my life. Was probably my best summer ever. thanks for letting me share.... Em --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **The first time I heard "Riders on the storm" was way > late at night. > > Yeah, it's definitely one for the wee wee hours. True confession, the > first > time I heard it I thought the vocal was by Sinatra! Now that's > something I > would only tell my best friends so y'all keep it a secret. > > Bob > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:58:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: NJC smarm, Riders...subjective drivel we have the weather equivalent of "a full grown mountain troll" blowing in. (thunderstorm) So I'm gonna throw caution to the wind and leave the stereo on without a surge protector, (like unsafe sex?) and listen to "Rider on the Storm" in memory of our memories, and in honor of you guys. love Em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:16:35 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: facelift hi everybody, I'm back. a big hug to any of the early-listers, and hello to the many people who have joined during my time away. Here's one for you - I just started watching the show Nip/Tuck on dvd, and one of the episodes had a joni reference. A lesbian character was talking about her experience with a man years before the conversation which was taking place. She said the man had long hair, and she just closed her eyes and pretended he was Joni Mitchell. Since the show involves plastic surgeons, maybe they will use Happiness is the Best Facelift sometime. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:12:37 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: big ugly organs NJC now The Doors I don't think I really thought Sinatra as much as "that guy my dad listens to." anyway, good to be back On Jun 26, 2004, at 4:33 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Bill Dollinger wrote: > > hey folks, >> >> I'm back, for those old-timers who >> remember me. hi to all the new folks > > Hey, Bill! Welcome back! > >> i had to respond to this, because it >> made me recall the first time I heard >> Touch Me, I thought it was Sinatra. >> It was on a bad reception, the bridge >> "i'm gonna love you till...." >> >> SCJoniGuy@aol.com >> wrote: >> >>> True confession, the >>> first >>> time I heard it I thought the vocal was by >> Sinatra! > > I don't see the Sinatra connection but if two of you > do, who am I to argue? > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:33:59 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: big ugly organs NJC now The Doors **anyway, good to be back Glad to have you back Bill...I think about you anytime someone is talking about animal rights, so you should be happy that you have that legacy. Bob NP: Ani, "Your Next Bold Move" Atlanta '03 (from her new "bootleg") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:36:41 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: big ugly organs NJC now The Doors I was obsessed with the Doors' debut album when I was in 7th grade. My pal who turned me on to them & signed my junior high yearbook with Morrison's rant from "The End." But all I've ever felt the need for holding onto are the first 2 lps--and those in vinyl only. As for "Touch Me"--bad Sinatra, indeed (or so I thought when it came out--it's got a kind of camp appeal now). But I'll grant you all the haunting quality of "Riders on the Storm"--especially on the radio during the graveyard shift sometime in the seventies. . . . However: the big ugly organ I agree is pure poetry compared with Morrison's relatively ersatz poetry. So opinionated! forgive me. I've decided to travel to Charleston for a couple of days to see F 9/11--sorry, Bob, more exciting than Greenville, though I'll get up there one of these days! I will. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Bill Dollinger Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 6:13 PM To: Catherine McKay Cc: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: big ugly organs NJC now The Doors I don't think I really thought Sinatra as much as "that guy my dad listens to." anyway, good to be back On Jun 26, 2004, at 4:33 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Bill Dollinger wrote: > > hey folks, >> >> I'm back, for those old-timers who >> remember me. hi to all the new folks > > Hey, Bill! Welcome back! > >> i had to respond to this, because it >> made me recall the first time I heard >> Touch Me, I thought it was Sinatra. >> It was on a bad reception, the bridge >> "i'm gonna love you till...." >> >> SCJoniGuy@aol.com >> wrote: >> >>> True confession, the >>> first >>> time I heard it I thought the vocal was by >> Sinatra! > > I don't see the Sinatra connection but if two of you > do, who am I to argue? > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: facelift now NJC Hi Bill nice to meet you. I am a relative newby around here. Am enjoying this group alot. Thanks for posting about the Joni fantasy..lol..makes me not feel so bad about certain "stuff". :) Em Tampa, FL .--- Bill Dollinger wrote: > hi everybody, > > I'm back. a big hug to any of the > early-listers, and hello to the many > people who have joined during > my time away. > > Here's one for you - I just started > watching the show Nip/Tuck > on dvd, and one of the episodes > had a joni reference. A lesbian > character was talking about her > experience with a man years > before the conversation which > was taking place. She said > the man had long hair, and she > just closed her eyes and pretended > he was Joni Mitchell. > > Since the show involves plastic > surgeons, maybe they will use > Happiness is the Best Facelift > sometime. > > Bill > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:00:00 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Beginning of Survival, now: beginning of 'cesspool' Catherine writes: << Now that I read my own words here, I hope no one thought I meant that Brenda belongs in a cesspool! >> Hey, Catherine, I didn't even think of 'cesspool' as your word. Weren't you referencing Joni and the famous (to us, anyway) anti-music industry interview she gave shortly after the release of "T'Long?" You know, the one in which she calls the industry a cesspool and says something like, "What am I supposed to do, show my tits, get hair extensions and grab my crotch?" - --Smurf "Treat a work of art like a prince. Let it speak to you first." - --Artie Schopenhauer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:09:11 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: good cheesy organ -- njc The real Kraft cheesiest organ numbers I can think of are "96 Tears" by Question Mark and the Mysterians and "Dirty Water," my own Boston anthem. (Although the Charles River is now one of the world's great environmental cleanup stories.) - --Smurf, who enjoyed some delicious clove cheese from JvT in Holland last night at Maggie's. Who knew cloves could taste so good outside of pork products! "Treat a work of art like a prince. Let it speak to you first." - --Artie Schopenhauer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:34:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Beginning of Survival, now: beginning of 'cesspool' - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Hey, Catherine, I didn't even think of 'cesspool' as > your word. Weren't you > referencing Joni and the famous (to us, anyway) > anti-music industry interview > she gave shortly after the release of "T'Long?" You > know, the one in which she > calls the industry a cesspool and says something > like, "What am I supposed to > do, show my tits, get hair extensions and grab my > crotch?" Yup. I probably wouldn't have thought of "cesspool" on my own. Viper's nest, snake pit, den of iniquity, maybe. But not cesspool. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:36:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: good cheesy organ -- njc - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > The real Kraft cheesiest organ numbers I can think > of are "96 Tears" by > Question Mark and the Mysterians Also know as ? and the Mysterians. Loved that song. You're gonna cra, cra, cra, cra now ... Who was ?? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #283 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)