From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #273 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, June 18 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 273 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Dylan's "Masters of War" NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #170 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Mary Grace: Her Memorial Service (very long) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] JONIFEST ["Lucy Hone" ] RE: MG ["Bill Pearson" ] Re: Mary Grace, the link, njc [Jerry Notaro ] re: SURVIVAL is a good thing ["c Karma" ] Joni LP questions [KindTaper@aol.com] Re: Beginning of Survival JONI RELEASE JULY 27 [david sapp ] Re: Beginning of Survival [Smurfycopy@aol.com] RE: JMDL Digest V2004 #271 ["robin mortlock" ] Re: Even more Survival stuff ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Only an Artist? [dsk ] MG ["Happy The Man" ] hejira album question [Emily Tedrowe ] Re: hejira album question [Ken ] Re: Randy Newman, was Dylan's "Masters of War" NJC ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: hejira album question [Lori Fye ] Re: hejira album question [Gary Zack ] Re: hejira album question Now NJC ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: hejira album question Now Vinyl LPs and pretty much NJC ["Norman Pen] Re: hejira album question Now Vinyl LPs and pretty much NJC ["Norman Pen] Favorite Joni "B" side ["Happy The Man" ] Re: hejira album question Now NJC/packaging rant [Em ] Re: Favorite Joni "B" side [Lori Fye ] Re: Favorite Joni "B" side ["Happy The Man" ] Re: hejira album question Now Vinyl LPs and pretty much NJC [Lori Fye ] northeast joni list (njc) ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: hejira album question Now Vinyl LPs and pretty much NJC ["Norman Pen] Re: northeast joni list (njc) [Lori Fye ] Re: hejira album question Now Vinyl LPs and pretty much NJC [Lori Fye ] survival ["Ron" ] Re: hejira album question Now Vinyl LPs and pretty much NJC ["Norman Pen] Re: Favorite Joni "B" side [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Only an Artist? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Mary Grace: Her Memorial Service , njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Mary Grace, the link, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Mary Grace: Her Memorial Service (very long) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Even more Survival stuff njc [Randy Remote ] Re: hejira album question [Catherine McKay ] Re: hejira album question Now NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: hejira album question Now NJC/packaging rant [Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Dylan's "Masters of War" NJC Bp>Uh, yeah...there is something a lil more relevant, Kate. 'The Battle Hymn of the Republic.' Older than Dylan, not as nasal. And catchier. I guess to some this song would seem quite relevant... old yes... catchy? Well I suppose if your fan of "The Reverend in Rhythm" :~} (http://porktornado.diaryland.com/covers2.html) Kate www.katebennett.com PS, then in a category all its own is Randy Newman's Political Science: No one likes us I don't know why. We may not be perfect But heaven knows we try. But all around even our old friends put us down. Let's drop the big one and see what happens. We give them money But are they grateful? No they're spiteful And they're hateful. They don't respect us so let's surprise them; We'll drop the big one and pulverize them. Now Asia's crowded And Europe's too old. Africa's far too hot, And Canada's too cold. And South America stole our name. Let's drop the big one; there'll be no one left to blame us. Bridge: We'll save Australia; Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo. We'll build an all-American amusement park there; They've got surfing, too. Well, boom goes London, And boom Paris. More room for you And more room for me. And every city the whole world round Will just be another American town. Oh, how peaceful it'll be; We'll set everybody free; You'll have Japanese kimonos, baby, There'll be Italian shoes for me. They all hate us anyhow, So let's drop the big one now. Let's drop the big one now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:48:53 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #170 In a message dated 6/18/2004 12:43:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Les (Unco - London) writes: But then again, what do I know, I love Dog Eat Dog. Suggests you know quite a bit -- this is a great recording ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:26:12 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mary Grace: Her Memorial Service (very long) Thanks Julius for the wonderful recount of Mary Grace's memorial service. She came to me in a dream last night. She was smiling......... rosie xxoo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:32:27 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: JONIFEST I have been lurking. No doubt about it but sometimes I just do not have the time to write. However I HAVE to de-lurk to write about getting those who have been thinking (but dragging their heels) to pick up their feet and a pen and get signed up. I ,sadly, (barring a miracle) cannot get there this year. Last year I raided the mortgage fund, got bit of scholarship funding too and went along. For the Brits to attend it costs us way way more than anyone in the US. Our flights are at least $650, then there is accomodation,transfers, then the fee for going to FEST (money excellently spent) and all the things that you spend and dont mean to. But you Americans it is cheap, cheap cheap I tell you. I can remember so many good things from last year and here is a small selection in no particular order. The kiss of cool water in the pool on very hot journey-tired skin. Skies full of angel shaped clouds one afternoon. Feeling I was somehow in the Black Forest in Germany (If you want to cheat and say you have been to Europe you can do that at the Catskills) Mud squishing up between my toes on a walk back across the hill path from cocktails with Dave Mingus and everyone else at their house.... Mel Tormay version of Starry Starry Night (Vincent) after cocktails (see above) The smell of wonderful food coming up from the dining room. Singing by candle light in the Lez cabin with everyone. Fleshing out the virtual people into real bodies. Hearing the rain thunder on the roof of the performance space Being part of the British Raffle Heckling Team Drinking freezing cold Corona beer Drinking THE BEST COFFEE EVER EVER EVER.... Eating wonderful food and fab breakfasts Standing on the deck of the performance space, under an umbrella with a group of warm hearted people trying to do an arrangement of KASHMIR on Kazoo...YOU DID HAVE TO BE THERE Hearing some world class talent sing and play Joni. Hearing some world class talent sing and play other stuff other than Joni Realising I had found the group of people with whom I would like to retire... NOT WANTING TO GO HOME AT ALL.... I have my doubts about whether it will happen again next year and so I am pretty certain that this year will be the last one at the Full Moon. If I win the lottery in the mean time we will be there come hell or waters high.... If I have to walk from whereever I or we will be there somehow.... Seriously it is a truly wonderful place. With the BEST people you could want to spend time with. You have the opportunity (for the main part) to get there on a few tanks of petrol and some cheap hotel stopovers along the way. It is sooooo easy for you to get there.... You will wish you had gone. There is no inner circle, there is no cliquey-ness, If you want to just chill out and watch and hardly talk to a soul you can do that or you can join in. And maybe Joni will pop by..who the hell knows...... It is unlikely but you never know. She may just decide to try and get a bit of a sense of what her music really has meant to the world, by meeting some of the people who have taken her words to their hearts and minds. Get ye there! If I could go I would... But I cannot... maybe next year If you have the urge for going, go.. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:36:10 +0100 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: RE: MG I too am on digest and way behind and haven't posted for a long time. I didn't know MG other than through this list but am deeply saddened by the news. My sister is currently having the same fight and that brings it all a little closer than I probably have any right to feel. Julius especially, thanks for sharing. Bill NP: Hejira - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.707 / Virus Database: 463 - Release Date: 15/06/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:21:47 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Mary Grace, the link, njc Well done, Jim. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:30:01 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: SURVIVAL is a good thing Jimmy wrote: "Now that I've dumped on SURVIVAL, I'm looking at it in a positive light. Follow me on this. Here's an artist who has a tremendous back catalog of songs. She gives good interview. "Presumably she's gonna do some interviews and when she does, she's gonna talk about current events; she's gonna talk about terrorists; she's gonna talk about politics during a presidential election here in the US. She may have one or two details askew but she is passionate and articulate. "How can this be bad for her catalog? Sure, if someone has her entire collection already (as many of us do) it might be the first one we skip. "Who cares? There are only 40 ever post. How many completists are there right now? As opinionated as we are, we're not even a speck in the demographic. If she visits David Dye on The World Cafe, if she talks to Rolling Stone, if she visits that public radio station in LA that she loves (which specializes in singer-songwriters- DUH!), only good will come out of this." Well, too much of a good thing may not be such a good thing. The WORST thing that could happen is if this set is used as a soapbox. These songs already speak for themselves. Proselytizing ("...do we have to listen to a sermon NOW?") beyond their current eloquence would likely diminish the message. I hope Joni does NO interviews in support of this release, lest she risk being labeled a crackpot by members of groups which might see themselves as targeted by her words. Common sense and humanistic decency should never have to be defended, but when dealing with politically sensitive issues, such is often the case. I don't think Joni gives good interviews (nor do I think she thinks so). Since these words are written from someplace between the heart and the mind it would seem unnecessary and inappropriate to have to be armed with statistics and historical precedence to rationalize their reflective poetry. CC "When you dig down deep you lose good sleep and it makes you heavy company."-- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up  now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:59:08 EDT From: KindTaper@aol.com Subject: Joni LP questions Here are some questions for the record geeks like me :) I'd love to know: 1) Did Joni's 1st album (STAS) come on the tri-color Reprise label in the US? Or was it issued first on the orange and brown label? I have seen a british copy recently on Ebay that had the Tri-Color label, and it went for a ton of money. But it was the original british pressing and appeared to be in pristine shape. 2) How many of Joni's early albums had white label promos or timing strips? I have Blue with a white label and a timing strip, For the Roses with a white label and promo sticker, and Hissing with a promo sticker and white label, but those are the only three I've seen. I'd really love to have "Court and Spark" with timing strip or white label. Does it exist? 3) Lastly, does anyone have any Joni white label promo LP's (other than the three I mentioned above) in near mint condition for sale? Please contact me privately if you do. Thanks and have a nice weekend! Wes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:40:20 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: david sapp Subject: Re: Beginning of Survival JONI RELEASE JULY 27 Apparently the closing track of BS is Impossible Dreamer. I think a better conclusion would have been Lead Balloon - ya' know: "Kiss my ass!" I said. Anyway I think the release is okay - I credit Our Lady with trying to throw some light on these bleak times in which we live. peace, david ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:44:56 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: Beginning of Survival I just don't know. Sounds to much to me like a tacky reality based TV show. Maybe better named Survival of the Joni Reissues where Joni on some deserted island sets up hurdles with CDs that guest survivalists have to climb over, swim too, cook on etc.etc. while constantly putting down the music industry. At the end of the program of course Joni, sitting around a campfire rattles here jewelry at the least favorite of the contestants signifying her supreme displeasure and the poor sod gets the boot. From Fox of course. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:25:26 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Beginning of Survival Ken writes: << Joni on some deserted island sets up hurdles with CDs that guest survivalists have to climb over, swim too, cook on etc.etc. while constantly putting down the music industry. At the end of the program of course Joni, sitting around a campfire rattles here jewelry at the least favorite of the contestants signifying her supreme displeasure and the poor sod gets the boot. >> What's really scary is that this is a GREAT idea as TV ideas go. Talk about "Must see TV!" Add a Covers Frisbee Fling to the above mix and you've got hours of TV fun! - --Smurf, who has been TV-free for one year this month because of a profound lack of this kind of quality programming "I DON'T. Buy the tomatoes with. The stems. On them. They don't. Degrade. They go. Down the sink. And into the WATER. Then. They get lodged in the throats of little. OTTERS." - --Christopher Walken, as quoted -- and punctuated -- by Popbitch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:28:58 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2004 #271 Catherine wrote: Maybe "Dog eat dog" unplugged Robin Writes: That is the best thing i have heard this year - There are some real solid songs there and her voice was at its best on that album. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:48:31 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: Only an Artist? BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: I'm not exactly disgusted, but my "relationship with Joni" (so to speak) is definitely being tested. Good. What is wrong with that. There is a lifetime of work to listen to and revisit (in relative luxury) and eventually exhaust. She is ONLY an artist - she is not obliged to do anything no matter how hard we stamp our cross little feet. If profound change has been caused by previous work then that is a job well done (few manage it) but let it go and pass on the good vibrations to everyone - evangelise, preach (it's bound to get more of a reaction than the kabbalah!) There is a strong needy quality coming from this list concerning poor ol' Joan and this obvious legal obligation she is tied to - give her a break. She has a body of work like no other solo musical artist - cant we be happy with what we've got. Can't we be inspired and live without demanding more more more like mindless junkies. I'd love to hear new stuff too but the weight of thought on one person to create something that moves us to change is childish, spoilt and very un-joni.... your slap-wristing friend spideog - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:23:48 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Even more Survival stuff >>Master tapes revert to the artist after x years. I think it's ten.<< Yeah Randy, you are right as always. X is 10, as the Romans told us... ;-))) mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:07:45 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Only an Artist? robin mortlock wrote: > > There is a lifetime of work to listen to and revisit (in relative > luxury) and eventually exhaust. She is ONLY an artist - she is not > obliged to do anything no matter how hard we stamp our cross little feet.... > > There is a strong needy quality coming from this list concerning poor ol' > Joan and this obvious legal obligation she is tied to - give her a > break. She has a body of work like no other solo musical artist - cant > we be happy with what we've got. Can't we be inspired and live without > demanding more more more like mindless junkies. I'd love to hear new > stuff too but the weight of thought on one person to create something > that moves us to change is childish, spoilt and very un-joni.... Really? I feel most Joni-ish when whining and complaining. I don't mind her complaining... it's only a person dissatisfied with the way things are who creates anything. (Sorry if I'm again preaching/teaching and stating the obvious; it's part of "oldest child syndrome" from which I'll never recover.) I may have missed it, but I don't think anyone here has said they're going to throw away her earlier stuff. The effect is just the opposite for me. This latest project makes me appreciate her pre-orchestra work even more. That doesn't mean I wouldn't like to hear her thoughts about what's going on in the world today, or what it's like for her to be immersed in family life (and does such contentment dull the creative impulse?), or what it's like to be an older woman in this youth-centric culture, or how she's still made weak in the knees by her latest beau. Wanting to hear all that doesn't make me needy. It just means I know what she's capable of as an artist. I think it's to her credit that we want new stuff from her. Doesn't mean she has to (or would be able to) create as she has in the past, but I don't think it's a bad thing to want something other than retreads from her. Joni has taught us to expect a lot from her. Debra Shea, mindful joni-junkie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:22:15 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: MG Peace to you, peace of Christ to you..... "Look, the home of God is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them. He will remove all of their sorrows, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. For the old world and its evils are gone forever." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:41:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Emily Tedrowe Subject: hejira album question hi folks. how was the hejira album divided by songs? that is, where did the break come, and which song began side two? just wondering. (it strikes me that that is kind of an artistic decision, how to present the music, and one that is now lost because of CD format.) - -- emily Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:52:17 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: hejira album question An artist would usually prefer a certain order of his/her songs, I would think. Unfortunately with albums there is a certain amount you can put on each side so your choice is often limited by that size. With CDs the artist doesn't have that constraint and I suspect the CD's are what the artist would prefer. Emily Tedrowe wrote: >hi folks. how was the hejira album divided by songs? that is, where did >the break come, and which song began side two? > >just wondering. > >(it strikes me that that is kind of an artistic decision, how to present the >music, and one that is now lost because of CD format.) > >-- emily >Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:54:44 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: Randy Newman, was Dylan's "Masters of War" NJC Ah!! Randy is one of my faves. "Sail Away" is perhaps his most memorable, but I love to laugh at "I Love LA!" And I first heard/saw Mr. Newman play "Political Science" on a BBC show whilst living in London in the early '80s. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry...or "shit or go blind," as we used ta say in the AF. Whatta guy! Best Regards, bp Kate gave us: > PS, then in a category all its own is Randy Newman's Political Science: > > No one likes us > I don't know why. > We may not be perfect > But heaven knows we try. > But all around even our old friends put us down. > Let's drop the big one and see what happens. > > We give them money > But are they grateful? > No they're spiteful > And they're hateful. > They don't respect us so let's surprise them; > We'll drop the big one and pulverize them. > > Now Asia's crowded > And Europe's too old. > Africa's far too hot, > And Canada's too cold. > And South America stole our name. > Let's drop the big one; there'll be no one left to blame us. > > Bridge: > We'll save Australia; > Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo. > We'll build an all-American amusement park there; > They've got surfing, too. > > Well, boom goes London, > And boom Paris. > More room for you > And more room for me. > And every city the whole world round > Will just be another American town. > Oh, how peaceful it'll be; > We'll set everybody free; > You'll have Japanese kimonos, baby, > There'll be Italian shoes for me. > They all hate us anyhow, > So let's drop the big one now. > Let's drop the big one now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:02:41 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: hejira album question Emily asked: > hi folks. how was the hejira album divided by songs? that is, where did > the break come, and which song began side two? The song "Hejira" ended side one, and "Song For Sharon" began side two. > (it strikes me that that is kind of an artistic decision, how to present the > music, and one that is now lost because of CD format.) Yeah, I miss that a lot. Gave the listener pause to digest a side while getting up to flip the record. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:33:28 -0400 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: hejira album question Hi Emily, In answer to your question, "Song For Sharon" began side two. Actually, I think Joni liked (at least at one time) the two sides idea. Note, "Song To A Seagull" where she even named the sides: Side 1 "I Came To The City" and Side 2 "Out Of The City And Down To The Seaside." Is my memory still intact? ;-) Best regards, Gary Emily Tedrowe wrote: >hi folks. how was the hejira album divided by songs? that is, where did >the break come, and which song began side two? > >just wondering. > >(it strikes me that that is kind of an artistic decision, how to present the >music, and one that is now lost because of CD format.) > >-- emily >Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:33:22 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: hejira album question Now NJC Lori sez this about vinyl: > Yeah, I miss that a lot. Gave the listener pause to digest a side while getting > up to flip the record. > and vinyl SOUNDS better, too. Best Regards, bp...being something of a Luddite ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:48:46 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: hejira album question Now NJC Buck, a self-professed Luddite, says: > and vinyl SOUNDS better, too. I agree. Richer, warmer, deeper ... must be those grooves. : ) Lori, who also misses 12" x 12" (or larger) album art, and other stuff like that huge rolling paper that was included in a certain Cheech and Chong album ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:02:23 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: hejira album question Now Vinyl LPs and pretty much NJC Lori, "who also misses 12" x 12" (or larger) album art, and other stuff like that huge rolling paper that was included in a certain Cheech and Chong album" Remember that coffee table book I had called "The Album Cover Album?" That was one of the VERY few things that survived my "going out of wedlock" sale. Still have it. My all-time fave album cover was Abraxas. God, what a beautiful cover. Carlos is doing the same **sort** of thing was his new CDs (i.e., color, composition, et all...to get that '60s "feel"), but it just doesn't have the impact an LP cover has. Same thing with FTR, for that matter. <<== There's the Joni content. Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:13:31 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: hejira album question Now Vinyl LPs and pretty much NJC See the Abraxas cover here: http://tralfaz-archives.com/coverart/S/santana_abraxas.html And then check out http://www.superseventies.com/greatestalbumcovers.html where our own Dear Joan's Hejira is rated #5, while Abraxas is #7. I said: > Lori, "who also misses 12" x 12" (or larger) album art, and other stuff like > that huge > rolling paper that was included in a certain Cheech and Chong album" > > Remember that coffee table book I had called "The Album Cover Album?" That > was one of the VERY few things that survived my "going out of wedlock" sale. > Still have it. My all-time fave album cover was Abraxas. God, what a > beautiful cover. Carlos is doing the same **sort** of thing was his new CDs > (i.e., color, composition, et all...to get that '60s "feel"), but it just > doesn't have the impact an LP cover has. Same thing with FTR, for that > matter. <<== There's the Joni content. > > Best Regards, > bp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:42:54 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Favorite Joni "B" side Lori, That brings up a good question. What is your favorite Joni "b" side. And who cares how old (albums flipping albums I don't care nothing about flipping albums) I am cause I am younger then a lot of people on this list. Craig (taking a hiatus from lurkdom) >From: Lori Fye >Reply-To: Lori Fye >To: Emily Tedrowe >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: hejira album question >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:02:41 -0700 > >Emily asked: > > > hi folks. how was the hejira album divided by songs? that is, where >did > > the break come, and which song began side two? > >The song "Hejira" ended side one, and "Song For Sharon" began side two. > > > (it strikes me that that is kind of an artistic decision, how to present >the > > music, and one that is now lost because of CD format.) > >Yeah, I miss that a lot. Gave the listener pause to digest a side while >getting >up to flip the record. > >Lori _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:45:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: hejira album question Now NJC/packaging rant there's good vinyl, which I agree sounds really great. But unfortunately there's enough bad vinyl out there (too many pressings off a master) that it doesn't make vinyl a sure bet. Too bad. I miss the album art too. Hey what would Led Zep III have been without the cover?? well, still a great album but, its was fun! I used to think they should simply package CD's in old sized album covers! In any case I love getting CD''s now that DON'T come in jewel cases. Whoever thought up jewel cases? feh! :) Happy Friday folks! Em - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Buck, a self-professed Luddite, says: > > > and vinyl SOUNDS better, too. > > I agree. Richer, warmer, deeper ... must be those grooves. : ) > > Lori, > who also misses 12" x 12" (or larger) album art, and other stuff like > that huge > rolling paper that was included in a certain Cheech and Chong album > ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:49:54 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Favorite Joni "B" side Craig, delurking, wonders: > That brings up a good question. What is your favorite Joni "b" side. I just checked out everything at www.jmdl.com/lyrics, and I have to say it's STILL side 2 of Hejira, hands down. > And who cares how old (albums flipping albums I don't care nothing about > flipping albums) I am cause I am younger then a lot of people on this list. You're as young as you feel, Craig!! Lori, feeling younger these days herself ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:51:48 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Favorite Joni "B" side You know I didn't answer this myself. I would have to say..... Blue then Court >From: Lori Fye >To: Happy The Man >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Favorite Joni "B" side >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:49:54 -0700 > >Craig, delurking, wonders: > > > That brings up a good question. What is your favorite Joni "b" side. > >I just checked out everything at www.jmdl.com/lyrics, and I have to say >it's >STILL side 2 of Hejira, hands down. > > > And who cares how old (albums flipping albums I don't care nothing about > > flipping albums) I am cause I am younger then a lot of people on this >list. > >You're as young as you feel, Craig!! > >Lori, >feeling younger these days herself _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:57:12 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: hejira album question Now Vinyl LPs and pretty much NJC Buck suggested: > And then check out http://www.superseventies.com/greatestalbumcovers.html > where our own Dear Joan's Hejira is rated #5, while Abraxas is #7. OMG, there were SO MANY great album covers from the 70s, how can anyone really narrow it down? Funny thing, I was just on the above website yesterday when I was looking up The Who's "Who's Next?" (http://www.superseventies.com/ac47_54.html) I love that cover! But it's rated #54 out of 54. Eh ... what do the judges know? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:00:08 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: hejira album question Now NJC/packaging rant Em ranted: > I used to think they should simply package CD's in old sized album > covers! In any case I love getting CD''s now that DON'T come in jewel > cases. Whoever thought up jewel cases? feh! Not only that but you can't possibly clean a bag of pot using a jewel case, as you could with a "gatefold" album cover! ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:32:16 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: joni invite to jonifest >From: LCStanley7@aol.com Reply-To: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com To: >NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Subject: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Joni >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:11:26 EDT >Chuck wrote: >I don't think we have ever actually invited Joni, >Hi Ya'll, >Is this right? Well, what a stuck up little click we are then not even >inviting the person this is really all about... Or is it that the common >thought is we would all have to put on our best clothes and our best >behavior if the Queen arrived? Or is it that we are too small and inferior >to invite her? Well, she might actually feel complimented if we did invite >her. Even if she doesn't ever come, we could be kind enough to invite her. >Love, Laura What? Joni hasn't been invited?. . .that sounds O. D. D. to me. .. why wouldn't we invite her? How is she going to come if we don't invite her? Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up  now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:35:18 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: northeast joni list (njc) Re: the Northeast joni list I don't prefer having two lists. . . It seems to me that the jmdl with proper tags would suffice just fine. . a tag like "Jonifest." Perhaps some of you prefer to talk on another list??? Just seems cumbersome to me. . Marianne _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:35:53 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: hejira album question Now Vinyl LPs and pretty much NJC Lori sez: > Funny thing, I was just on the above website yesterday when I was looking up The > Who's "Who's Next?" (http://www.superseventies.com/ac47_54.html) I love that > cover! But it's rated #54 out of 54. Eh ... what do the judges know? Another infamous Rolling Stone list. Sheesh. They NEVER get it right, do they? bp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:48:15 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: northeast joni list (njc) > I don't prefer having two lists. . . > It seems to me that the jmdl with proper tags would suffice just fine. . > > a tag like "Jonifest." > > Perhaps some of you prefer to talk on another list??? > > Just seems cumbersome to me. . It is a bit cumbersome, Marianne, but in past years, the closer we get to JoniFest, the more people post about it and those posts can overwhelm the general JMDL discussions. Folks who aren't planning to go and who aren't interested in the discussions about it shouldn't have to wade through posts about fest to read the other posts -- which can be especially annoying if one subscribes via the "digest" mode. So, a few years ago Ashara kindly created a Yahoo group for fest, which everyone is invited to join at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/northeastjonifest/ See y'all there! : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:49:20 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: hejira album question Now Vinyl LPs and pretty much NJC > Another infamous Rolling Stone list. Sheesh. They NEVER get it right, do > they? I don't think RS has gotten much right since they stopped publishing on newsprint without staples. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:54:15 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: hejira album question Now NJC/packaging rant hi >>>>em wrote In any case I love getting CD''s now that DON'T come in jewel cases. Whoever thought up jewel cases? feh! nothing worse than those ecologically friendly cardboard sleeves where you just cant get the cd out without grabbing it tightly & getting fingerprints or scratches all over it.......................... and they dont fit in cd racks either :-( ron np - timbuk3 - assholes on parade ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:53:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Emily Tedrowe Subject: Re: hejira album question hi lori! thanks to you and the others who wrote in with answers to my hejira question. it seems weird to me that "hejira" and "song to sharon" would be split up like that, because in my mind they seem to really need to go together. - -- emily Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:58:00 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: survival hi i have to wonder if jonis not rereleasing them 'cause she feels that no one listened the first time, & she hopes theyll listen now. perhaps they never will. i certainly wont be bothering to spend money on re releases when theres just so much great music coming out i just cant keep up with it all. ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:58:10 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: hejira album question Now Vinyl LPs and pretty much NJC Lori rightfully remarked: > I don't think RS has gotten much right since they stopped publishing on > newsprint without staples. > When HST wrote for them. The Ellsberg papers. The interviews. So very righteous, at the time. bp, doing the ol' Archie and Edith rendition of "Those Were the Days" and feeling decidedly nostalgic and Old Fart-ish. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:02:51 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite Joni "B" side **That brings up a good question. What is your favorite Joni "b" side. Well, by definition the phrase 'b-side' refers to the good ol' 45's, where the catalog numbers would be "A" for the hit side and "B" for the other side. That being said, my favorite B side would be "Urge For Going" which was the flip of "You Turn Me On...". If you're talking albums, then it's gotta be side 2 of Hejira - after all, half of the best is still the best. I'll add to this discussion that I think C&S works better as a CD, playing full through than it does as an LP needing a flip. Bob NP: Heavens To Murgatroid, "Shawn's Bridge" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:13:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Only an Artist? Debra said: **Joni has taught us to expect a lot from her. Exactly, and that's something she should be proud of! It's not that I'm needy and demanding Joni gives me new stuff, it's when she 'errs in judgement' that I get all huffy. Much better to quit while one is ahead than to continue to dilute one's catalog and become a creator of "product" rather than "art". At least Travelogue was an attempt at some kind of creation & growth & discovery. This time around it's nothing but recycled leftovers. Particularly on the heels of the Geffen box(which at least offered us three bonus tracks, it's a MAJOR disappointment. Bob NP: Karrin Allyson, "Don't Let Me Be Lonely Tonight" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:16:07 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Mary Grace: Her Memorial Service , njc Wow. Thanks very much for this, Julius. Maybe you didn't know it at the time but you spoke for me too. I'm told it's not the first time you've showed up "to represent". Respectfully, Jim L'Hommedieu Lama np: nothing but the air conditioning Julius said, >Finally, I stood up. I had to say something, I felt, on behalf of the JMDL.> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:29:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "walterphil" Subject: give joni a break haven't posted in a while but i've been reading a lot of negative stuff about her new compilation and i say enough already. think of it from joni's point of view-- imagine meeting her at a party and running up to her saying "oh joni i just love you and blue is my favorite album of all time!" c'mon now she wnts to be remembered for something other than morning morgantown she wants people to listen to her later work which she is most proud of. and night ride, turbulent, and taming have never been on a comp before. and you know those albums sold poorly. i'm sure she feels people (a lot of her old fans included) juat ain't heard em. (and don't tell me about that last boxed set cause you know that nobody bought that.) yes, my fave joni lps are 1 thru 10 (lord what an achievement!- we should all be bowing down to her every day just for those alone!) but i'm one fan that happens to feel (after playing them countless times) that nite ride, turbulent and taming are right up there too. give her and her recent stuff the respect they deserve. (the reprise/assylum stuff will be released ad nauseum too after she's gone) and we all have it all already don't we? maybe with the right marketing one of the songs may become a hit somehow (movie soundtrack? a hip hopper with an open mind?) and people may actually buy this one! xxx walt The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:36:32 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Mary Grace, the link, njc Thanks but you know that Les built the page and I just told everyone where it was, right? Everyone wrote very well on MG, especially Les and Julius. The compliments should go to them. Later, Jim Jerry Notaro wrote: > Well done, Jim. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:00:18 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Joni Release July 27 >Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:05:16 -0400 >From: dsk >Subject: Re: Beginning of Survival JONI RELEASE JULY 27 >SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > >>To me, it's more embarrassing than frightening. One of the nice >>things about being a Joni fan is her integrity as an artist, >>but with these Geffen releases that integrity is fading fast. >I agree, and really don't understand why Joni's doing this. It goes >against everything she's stood for. I've stuck with Joni for decades >because she forged ahead, took chances, observed the times and made >honest art out of what she experienced. >Joni's losing me with this one. All the talk about her integrity and the >care taken with each cd, and now she's offering up what I think of as >the "Crabby Joni" collection. Has Joni never heard of cd burners? If I >wanted a compilation of Joni at her worst, most strident, preachy >political self, I'd make one on my handy little burner. (Do we really >need a re-release of Sex Kills? Enough already with that.) Yeah, I feel all these kinds of things too. . . andI agree with what everybody else has said here about, "why do this album?" and will I buy this? . . (I kind of want to. . . yet I didn't buy the last one.) but . . . but . . . I am thinking now that Joni's may be thinking like, hey guys.. .you missed my point the first time, or wake up world. . we've got some serious problems here. . and no body's looking. . . (or not enough are) listen to what I am singing/saying. . . too much reality maybe. . . yeah, it is not necessarily all my favorite joni material , on the whole. . but it is profound . . and I have always loved it when joni takes a raw (or otherwise) stand on existence, etc. and maybe it is like when she put out "Misses", she said , "well here's the stuff people seemed to miss the first time around". . . and then maybe eventually somebody will give it a listen and say. . yeah , wow. . .she 's right about that . . right about this. . I can really feel it . . or "it really means something. . it is all about truth." but then again, as her loyal fans we have ALREADY given a good listen. . . but perhaps to others, she's thinking (I don't know) "take a listen, you, out there. . cause I'm not sure you heard me the first time." and I like the idea, Lori, that you had about giving it to a young person. . . When does a person wake up to life, see "both sides. . ." wake up to life wake up to life and see the world and say, "all this destruction, greed, "the unraveling, the unraveling" "diving, diving" . .. pretention, killing, unintended tragedies, etc. is what life is about too. I think of young children who haven'tyet had that awakening. . . that someday. . . this too will come to them. . this realization. . . Maybe that's when we all just started doing drugs or something. When was that? About age 13, would you say? For many, these realizations came much earlier, I am sure. "Life is like a mine field" (or is that *mind* field. . I don't actually know.) I am not going to edit these thoughts here. . .if anybody wants to, I'd like to hear about the songs on the album (set?). and perhaps we can talk about the messges Joni has given us (we can hear it again. . . ) and discuss it with some new comer, or sweet people on the list that don't often say too much or don't say anything at all. . or anyone who wants to talk about any of the songs/messages. or take a song and type the words to us. . . What is on the list of songs again, I'll have to go back and look. . (?) what messages in these songs do you find inisightful? Have a good weekend everyone, Marianne _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:00:20 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Mary Grace: Her Memorial Service (very long) Julius, Thank you from the bottom of my heart for this post. I truly felt I was there, especially since I was just at her house in February and could picture everything. I wanted to be there so badly, and now that I felt I was there, I am at peace. Thank you. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:10:57 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Even more Survival stuff njc I gyess all that skoolin pade off mike pritchard wrote: > >>Master tapes revert to the artist after x years. I think it's ten.<< > > Yeah Randy, you are right as always. X is 10, as the Romans told us... ;-))) > > mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:49:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: hejira album question - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Emily asked: > > > hi folks. how was the hejira album divided by > songs? that is, where did > > the break come, and which song began side two? > > The song "Hejira" ended side one, and "Song For > Sharon" began side two. > > > (it strikes me that that is kind of an artistic > decision, how to present the > > music, and one that is now lost because of CD > format.) > > Yeah, I miss that a lot. Gave the listener pause to > digest a side while getting > up to flip the record. > Yeah, it was kind of like a play in two acts (four for the double albums, of course), with each song being a scene. This analogy works better with some artists than others and excellently with Joni who, I am quite sure, influenced this totally and put a lot of thought into it. There were time constraints that might impose some limitations, but Joni's albums always had a flow to them. I don't think this is totally lost with the CD format - there's still a flow, but you don't get the pause, or the intermission that you got from an LP. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:54:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: hejira album question Now NJC - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Buck, a self-professed Luddite, says: > > > and vinyl SOUNDS better, too. > > I agree. Richer, warmer, deeper ... must be those > grooves. : ) > > Lori, > who also misses 12" x 12" (or larger) album art, and > other stuff like that huge > rolling paper that was included in a certain Cheech > and Chong album I TOTALLY miss the size of the albums. You could see the art and, better yet, you could read the stuff inside it. I've always had terrible eyesight but it certainly doesn't get better with age, (at this point, to read small type, I have to take my glasses off and put the paper right in front of my eyes) so I just can't read the lyrics in most CDs (if they're even included) and I hate it when they get all cute with it and mush them all together like one song is all one long sentence, as I've seen done in some albums. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:56:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Favorite Joni "B" side - --- Happy The Man wrote: > Lori, > > That brings up a good question. What is your > favorite Joni "b" side. > I'm not Lori, but my favourite Joni B side would have to be "Urge for going", simply because it *only* came out on 45 anyway, on the other side of "You turn me on, I'm a radio." ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:59:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: hejira album question Now NJC/packaging rant - --- Em wrote: > In any case I love getting CD''s now that > DON'T come in jewel > cases. Whoever thought up jewel cases? feh! > :) They SUCK! They crack and they break and they're made of plastic - iww! I like the ones made of cardboard. They protect the CD very well and are often cleverly designed as well, and they're softer and they don't break or crack if you carry them around in your purse or in the car, or drop 'em on the floor, or fling 'em at someone's head (and don't hurt as much either.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #273 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)