From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #269 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, June 16 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 269 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- My Joni Favorites (long) [KindTaper@aol.com] That damn MG... njc and long ["Les Irvin" ] Re: My Joni Favorites (long) [Lori Fye ] RE: Beginning of Survival JONI RELEASE JULY 27 [Lori Fye ] Re: My Joni Favorites (long) ["Cynthia Vickery" ] RE: On this sad day, a prayer (NJC) [] Re: My Joni Favorites (long) [Em ] re: The Beginning of Survival ["Steven Polifka" ] It's a Small World, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Turbulent Indigo [Lori Fye ] Re: came for conversation, now on defense - njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Turbulent Indigo - njc [Lori Fye ] Re: It's a Small World, njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Sonic Youth interview w/ Joni mention [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Turbulent Indigo [Em ] Re: Beginning of Survival JONI RELEASE JULY 27 - another thought [SCJoni] Cowboy Junkies' album "ONE SOUL NOW", njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] I'm curious about something [Lori Fye ] The Beginning of Survival - LOL [Lori Fye ] Re: I'm curious about something [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Turbulent Indigo [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: It's a Small World, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: On this sad day, a prayer [Michael Paz ] Drums and Jonifest 2004 ["Martin Giles" ] Re: It's a Small World, njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: That damn MG... njc and long [Catherine McKay ] Re: Happy 100th Bloomsday/??th Leaderday NJC [Catherine McKay > Oddly enough, I discovered Joni through a book called "Listen to This - Leading Musicians Recommend Their Favorite Artists and Recordings" -- by Alan Reder and John Baxter. The book is a set of interviews with a diverse selection of musicians on who their favorite artists and what their favorite records are. As I am one who is very open to others' opinions when it comes to most anything and certainly music, I checked out the lists of several musicians I was heavily interested in at the time, including Georgia Hubley of Yo La Tengo, Ben Folds of Ben Folds Five, and Ani DiFranco. All of them listed Joni as a major influence; Court and Spark and Blue being among favorites listed. I bought Court and Spark on vinyl (I was just getting into records at the time), and from the start of side one, I knew Joni would be special. I then heard the first few bars of "Help Me" and immediately recognized a song I had heard and enjoyed throughout my life, but never knew who it was. I simultaneously smiled and melted inside when I heard the harmony as she sings "Help Me" at the beginning of the song. I was hooked. I loved Court and Spark for a while, then I moved onto "Blue." It's not often that I hear something for the first time and love it immediately, but such was not the case with "All I Want." I played the album over and over, and in the beginning, I only liked a few songs, including Carey, My Old Man and All I Want. But after seeing my uncle that year at Christmas, I reminded him of the time he offered to buy me a Joni album when I was on a trip with him around age 16 (I politely declined at the time, and even though I look back now and think of how foolish that decision was, I can honestly say that her beautiful voice and ability to express her feelings would have been wasted on me at that time in my life. It has only been through pain, life experience and many blessings that I have come to appreciate the extraordinary music that she has created.) and I told him how I had come to love "Blue" and "Court and Spark." He told me how much he loved "Little Green," so I went back and listened to the words and that song again. I immediately grew a fondness for that song. A few months later, I heard a cover version of "River" by Tom from the band dEUS. That prompted me to listen to that song in more detail, and the "Little Green" experience repeated itself. I had never paid much attention to "A Case of You" until I watched "Woman of Heart and Mind," and one of the interviewed mentioned that not before had an artist delved so deeply into their personal life on a record. That prompted a new review of the whole album. I now consider "Blue" to be one of my favorites, from start to finish. The magic was there, it just took me a while to grasp it all. While I dearly love "Blue," there is so much more that I love about Joni that it would take me all afternoon to write, so I'll just stop here for now. Thanks for reading. Wes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:42:18 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: That damn MG... njc and long It was at Jonifest 1999 that I met MG face to face for the first time. She arrived later than I and came into the kitchen as I was reaching into Ashara's fridge to grab a drink. She walked by, snatched it out of my hand and said "Thanks. Aren't you going to have one?" I knew right away that I liked her. Later that day she mentioned that she was on a health kick and jogged every morning. She "jokingly" asked if I'd join her the next morning and I jokingly said I would, knowing full well I'd probably have not even gone to bed yet by that time. Plus, Mary Grace was a legendary early riser. It was a fun night of music and talk at the fest, and I stumbled into my little corner of Ashara's "dorm" at about 5 in the morning and instantly fell asleep. Within what seemed to me like five minutes I was awakened by a loud "plop". I open my eyes and saw my shoes two inches from my face and MG standing over me. "Let's go", she says. "Go where?", I asked. "Jogging, you moron!" "What time is it??" I groaned. "6:30... it's very late... hurry." I began to protest and she tells me to quiet down as I'll wake everyone else in the room. "Why aren't you making them go as well?", I whined. She paused and then said "Because they didn't tell me that they would." It was a brutal jog that morning and I struggled to keep up with her. "Come on, you slacker! Just 2 more miles!" So began my first "lesson" with Mary Grace. As a friend she never let me slide or get off easy, she never patronized or minced words, she never let me wallow in self-pity. She held me to my word. I found in her a rare friend who I knew would tell me what I needed to hear but with compassion and tact. MG was an invaluable help to me in the early days of the list. She helped with a number of fund-raising projects and pitched in with her wisdom and humor when the list flame-wars would singe my confidence. I was looking through some of the emails she and I shared over the years and found this that she wrote to me in 1999. I've debated with myself for hours on whether or not to share this publicly. It was, however, one of the very first emails I randomly opened up so I figure that "it found me" and was meant to be shared. I don't think MG would mind: - --------- "I'm not always sure why I am so blessed and saved. I do know that I have a mission for this lifetime of mine. I spent a good number of years wondering what that mission might be. I wasn't rich enough or driven enough to start up a charitable organization. I did not end up in the right field to be of use to a group like the Peace Corps or anything like that. "But I now know that part of my mission is to allow my light to shine for those in need. I didn't ask for it, have no idea from where it came, but I have come to believe that I've been blessed with the talent, (?), skill, (?), of nurturing, compassion and love. I have these things as surely as others may be able to perform surgery or sculpt or paint. And I can give them out without complications. "Which is not to say that I do not still struggle at times with how to stretch my budget, how to repair the leaky roof and other mundane peccadilloes. I get frustrated with my life and concerned with my looks. However, within that, not once have I doubted or lost track of my purpose in this lifetime. It's a very liberating feeling. - --------- Mary Grace may have held a job as an accountant to pay the bills, but in reality she's better defined as a counselor, enthusiast, intellectual, supporter, believer, philosopher, advocate, therapist, humorist, friend, nurturer, holder of the flashlight, and... dammit... a jogger. You are missed, Mary Grace. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:51:09 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: My Joni Favorites (long) > While I dearly love "Blue," there is so much more that I love about Joni that > it would take me all afternoon to write, so I'll just stop here for now. > Thanks for reading. Wes, thanks for writing! If you can't write more this afternoon, how about this evening or tomorrow? : ) For me, one of the greatest things about this list is reading new members' stories of how they found Joni, and how her music and lyrics (and the rest of her art) has affected them. More, please! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:57:23 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: RE: Beginning of Survival JONI RELEASE JULY 27 Les I. wrote: > Maybe this has already been discussed but the last two "reissues" have been > exclusively the Geffen era. This leads me to believe that Geffen is > initiating these releases (obviously) to recycle material they own that > underproduced for them the first time. > > If this is the case, how on earth are they getting Joni to co-operate and > write new liner notes and such? Seems in direct contradiction to her > anti-music biz stance. Okay. THAT argument I will agree with. This makes me think that the new release has to have something to do with contract obligations. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: That damn MG... njc and long Gees, that is the MG I remember and loved so much - having read this I need to cry a minute but you sure picked the right thing to share Les Our precious Mary Grace.... > >--------- >"I'm not always sure why I am so blessed and saved. I do know that I have a >mission for this lifetime of mine. I spent a good number of years wondering >what that mission might be. I wasn't rich enough or driven enough to start >up a charitable organization. I did not end up in the right field to be of >use to a group like the Peace Corps or anything like that. > >"But I now know that part of my mission is to allow my light to shine for >those in need. I didn't ask for it, have no idea from where it came, but I >have come to believe that I've been blessed with the talent, (?), skill, >(?), of nurturing, compassion and love. I have these things as surely as >others may be able to perform surgery or sculpt or paint. And I can give >them out without complications. > >"Which is not to say that I do not still struggle at times with how to >stretch my budget, how to repair the leaky roof and other mundane >peccadilloes. I get frustrated with my life and concerned with my looks. >However, within that, not once have I doubted or lost track of my purpose in >this lifetime. It's a very liberating feeling ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:14:43 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: My Joni Favorites (long) <> welcome, wes. i'm glad you're here. i think we all hear ourselves in that bit i pasted above - it took me for-freakin'-EVER to be even begin to "get" 'hissing of summer lawns,' and now, it's my favorite joni recording. or my next-to-favorite. depends on the day. joni's tough - she says an awful lot of stuff in a little bitty amount of time, and then obscures it all in those yummy chords and swirls. there's a lot to digest. i'm hearing you say you like joni's earlier stuff, and i never listen to any of that - i'm firmly in the 'blue' thru 'wild things run fast' camp - but if you can stand a little advice from someone you already clearly disagree with, go grab a copy of 'hejira' and take a listen. i'd love to know what you think. it's my favorite. or my next-to-favorite. :o) at any rate - the magic's there, in spades. stick around, okay? new voices and new insights are always appreciated. really. cindy, in alabama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:17:51 -0500 From: Subject: RE: Happy 100th Bloomsday! NJC The Smurphman wrote: "Leopold Bloom's fictional wanderings through Dublin took place over a 24-hour period on June 16, 1904. This day has come to be known as Bloomsday, so happy 100th Bloomsday! http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2004/06/16/100_years_later_jo yce_still_having_his_day/ - - --O'Smurf "Why don't you write books people can read?" - --Nora Joyce" I love it! There's an article on the 100th anniversary of Bloomsday in today's New York Times, I think. Happy Bloomsday to all! Happy birthday, as well, to Patrick Leader. . .and to Kenny Grant, who may well be celebrating with Mr. Joyce himself! Or maybe he's sharing a laugh with Mary Grace. I hope so. Mary, sobered, suddenly, to realize that two attendees of the very first Jonifest in Pittsburgh have now passed on from this world. Requiescat in pace. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:27:54 -0500 From: Subject: RE: On this sad day, a prayer (NJC) Brian wrote: "O G-d, full of compassion, Thou who dwellest on high. Grant perfect rest beneath the sheltering wings of Thy presence, among the holy and pure who shine as the brightness of the firmament unto the soul of Mary Grace who has gone unto eternity. Lord of mercy, bring her under the cover of thy wings, and let her soul be bound up in the bond of eternal life. Be Thou her possession, and may her repose be peace. Amen." Thank you for this, Brei. Amen, indeed. Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:31:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: My Joni Favorites (long) - --- Cynthia Vickery wrote: > go grab a copy of > 'hejira' and take a listen. i'd love to know what you think. > it's my favorite. or my next-to-favorite. :o) at any rate - > the magic's there, in spades. I have to agree! Hejira grows on a person - it becomes a habit...I've been telling people to "fleece me with a gambler's floss" all day under my breath. That whole line is pretty amazing - when its coming up you think no way thats gonna all fit in, but it does, with room to spare! I like Joni's voice from the Hejira period best, I like it better than the early real high voice thing, with the sudden soprano upward spirals. But I gotta confess that STAS might still be my fave. If I were gonna lay a Joni album on a young person, thats the one I'd choose. Because it IS a young person writing and playing well beyond her years. If that album came out NOW and were passed around to community radio stations and no one knew who the heck it was, it would BLOW people away. But anyway, I love the sheer volume of Joni stuff out there. A delicious backlog of things to learn. So what's up with this "Turbulent Indigo"? - I've heard it referred to as genius, or some such glowing thing. Is it among her best? Em ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:46:59 -0500 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: re: The Beginning of Survival Thank You!!! You took my thoughts and wrote them for me- I thought I was the only one on the list... where was 'Tax Free' heard when all the TV evangelists were busted? Where was 'Magdalene Launderies' when it was printed in headlines all over the US (When, in fact, the song was already released before that). Yea, no one paid attention to them the first time around... Steve >>> "c Karma" 06/16/04 10:27AM >>> Les wrote: "Does this release frighten anyone besides me? I hate to think that Joni has resorted to the "let's repackage my old material in a zillion ways" phase of her career. Will this end up like The Who's old material has? "Let's see, which of these 17 greatest hits packages shall I buy?..." "I think it's sad that she's once again in a "political mood" but the only new idea she can cast upon it is a few liner notes. " Ouch! Yeah, I too think it's sad that current world conditions prompt Joni into a "political mood" but I also think you'd have to be an ostrich to avoid one completely. This one man's opinion is that few works have so much to say as succinctly as does this collection of songs. Too many people paid no mind to them the first time around and unfortunately, their relevance has not been lost. Perhaps that's the real reason the classics never go out of style. I think "The Beginning of Survival" may be the best public service announcement that the popular music industry has given us since Live Aid. No, it won't provide money to pay for hunger relief but if it prompts some people to review their ideologies, it may do good in many other ways. CC _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:06:41 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: It's a Small World, njc This is the reoccurring thread called "it's a small world after all." I'm processing the new Cowboy Junkies' album "ONE SOUL NOW". On first listen I thought I picked out Linford Detweiler's funk organ sound and I was right. He's married to the wonderfully talented & supernaturally beautiful Karin Berquist (of Cincinnati, Ohio, US). http://www.overtherhine.com/ The core of the Cowboy Junkies are the Timmins clan who are centered, more or less, in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. In the liner notes they give give "Industry and Business thanks to" (among others), S.A. Feldman and Associates. (For new people Joni's had a long business relationship with Sam Feldman of Toronto. This has been an unpaid but highly promotional post by Jim L'Hommedieu who approved this message. PS, I know "reoccuring" is not Oxford-approved English. It's Saskatonian English and that's close enough for the girls I date. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:32:02 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Turbulent Indigo Em inquired: > So what's up with this "Turbulent Indigo"? - I've heard it referred to > as genius, or some such glowing thing. Is it among her best? Of the 1990s, yes (imo). I generally hail "Night Ride Home" as better than TI, but I've probably played TI more. It won two Grammy Awards in 1996: Best Pop Album and Best Recording Package. This first verse of the last song has been stuck in my head for YEARS: "Let me speak let me spit out my bitterness Born of grief and nights without sleep and festering flesh Do you have eyes? Can you see like mankind sees? Why have you soured and curdled me? Oh you tireless watcher! What have I done to you? That you make everything I dread and everything I fear come true?" Lots of good reviews about TI can be found here: http://music.lycos.com/artist/album.asp?QT=A&QW=joni+mitchell&AN=Joni+Mitchell&MID=19195&id=169448 You check out all the lyrics to TI (and everything else) at http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:36:53 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: came for conversation, now on defense - njc Wes said, >Joni has the voice of an angel. A lady once said to me "She could sing the phone book," and that just about sums it up. When I'm driving and listening to Circle Game or Song to a Seagull or A Case of You and I start crying my eyes out at what I am hearing, I know that God is touching my soul through this woman's voice. > Ah, now this was written by a fan! My apologies. I over-think and over-write. I guess the nearest match to your interests that I can offer, Wes, is something that SCJoniGuy popularized last summer. In 1965, before she got married, Joni Anderson appeared on "Let's Sing Out". There's also an appearance from 1966 on the same program. The angelic voice you prize was already in full flower but she hadn't done much soaring as a songwriter or collaborator yet. I can't make DVDs but I'll dub that and/or the 4 VHS tapes (nearly 8 hours) of JMDL videos amassed to date. If anyone wants the "TNT All-Star Tribute" (another 2 hours in stereo), I'll dub that onto VHS too. Please write to me off-list if you want my mailing address. If you prefer to trade with someone more pleasant I'd understand and you certainly won't go wanting either way. KindTaper@aol.com wrote, in part: > I presume your suspicion is because you think I am a bootlegger or ebay seller and > I joined your list specifically for the purpose of finding rare Joni videos > and selling them. Well, you're wrong, and since you assume that I have > inappropriate intentions, I'm going to assume that you have a very difficult time > trusting people in your personal relationships. I feel sorry for you. All the best, Jim PS, Yeah, you're right, of course. Do you want the '65 show? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:38:56 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Turbulent Indigo - njc I wrote: > You check out all the lyrics to TI I meant to write, "You CAN check out all the lyrics to TI" et cetera. It was a suggestion and not a command! : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:38:36 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: It's a Small World, njc **I'm processing the new Cowboy Junkies' album "ONE SOUL NOW". I got it last Tuesday when it came out Jim, and I've 'processed' it many times including the VERY COOL bonus CD 'neath your covers, Volume 1' where they do an AWESOME cover of "Thunder Road", Neil's "Helpless", "Darkness Darkness" by Jesse Colin Young and especially a stark rockin' version of the Cure's "17 Seconds". I like the 23-minute bonus disc better than the unfamiliar stuff for now, but that will change as the unfamiliar becomes, well, familiar. Bob NP: RLJ, "Tell Somebody (Repeal The Patroit Act)" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:43:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sonic Youth interview w/ Joni mention Thanks for sharing that, Victor...makes me wonder if their song "Hey Joni" from their breakthrough record 'Daydream Nation' is about and/or inspired by Joni, there are really no clues to give any idea that it is so, and I've talked with a couple of SY folks who couldn't confirm or deny it. Their latest one is also pretty awesome - a must have if you're an SY fan. Bob NP: RLJ, "Sailor Song" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:54:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Turbulent Indigo thanks Lori, (for everything). Wow that verse you quoted did kick ass a bit. whew.... Em :) - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Em inquired: > > > So what's up with this "Turbulent Indigo"? - I've heard it referred > to > > as genius, or some such glowing thing. Is it among her best? > > Of the 1990s, yes (imo). I generally hail "Night Ride Home" as > better than TI, > but I've probably played TI more. It won two Grammy Awards in 1996: > Best Pop > Album and Best Recording Package. > > This first verse of the last song has been stuck in my head for > YEARS: > > "Let me speak let me spit out my bitterness > Born of grief and nights without sleep and festering flesh > Do you have eyes? > Can you see like mankind sees? > Why have you soured and curdled me? > Oh you tireless watcher! What have I done to you? > That you make everything I dread and everything I fear come true?" > > Lots of good reviews about TI can be found here: > http://music.lycos.com/artist/album.asp?QT=A&QW=joni+mitchell&AN=Joni+Mitchell&MID=19195&id=169448 > > You check out all the lyrics to TI (and everything else) at > http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics > > Lori > ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:54:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Beginning of Survival JONI RELEASE JULY 27 - another thought **I say, buy the new release and give it to every concerned teen and 20-something you know (and don't stop there -- give it to those who AREN'T concerned, too). Your heart is in the right place Lori, but your basic teen and 20-something wouldn't give this collection the time of day and would dive for the 'eject' button before the first track was through. Most of these songs suck. Teens think of CD's as VERY disposable items. Plus, regardless of the lyrical strength of some of these songs, like Sir Duke said "It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing" and this collection of red-headed stepchildren registers about a 0.2 on the swing-o-meter. Besides, it would be a betrayal of my own integrity to buy it - and I don't want to send any encouraging signs that this is something anybody wants. I'd sooner spend the time and resources putting together my own compilation to give to someone. To try and not come off as being such a pisspot negative Nelly...I will say that I would be excited if she took some of these songs back into the studio, stripped all that 80's gloss off and re-recorded them...but then again you can buff a turd as much as you want and at the end of the day it's still a turd. (I don't know this to be true from personal experience by the way) Bob NP: RLJ, "It takes you there" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:18:48 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Cowboy Junkies' album "ONE SOUL NOW", njc I'm late to hear it for the 1st time 'cause I pre-ordered it from the email newsletter. It took 3 weeks to get here from Toronto but those are Canadian weeks. In impatient, American weeks, it's a lifetime. When I saw them the last time, Margo introduced that song in a very sweet, but mysterious way. (Do you think I have a chance with Margo? Nah.) Without naming the songwriter or the song, she aluded to falling in love with a voice on the radio. She told her husband if this guy ever called, she'd drop everything. (!) Meanwhile Mike has been meandering around on guitar, supporting the intro the whole time so the band's right there, underneath, supporting. Then she says, "I have ALWAYS loved this song." "It's sorta a woman's song anyway so...." I nod twice as if she's talking to me. By now everyone is leaning forward; you can hear a pin drop. >The screen door slams >[Junky-esque pregnant pause] Every hair on my neck stood up and I was thinking, "Sh--. I know this. Uhm... >Mary's dress waves> Holy! They're doing Springsteen! Margo loves Springsteen. How cool is that!?" Then the nervous laugh kicked in and I was in love with the band all over again. This ain't no pop band. I have a show with that intro on CD-R and the disconnect in the audience at that moment, the gasps, are audible. Great times. In addition the concert "take" has a nicer solo at the end and a "real band ending" instead of the fade. I really like the official take on the new "'NEATH YOUR COVERS, part1" but it's nice to have both. All the best, Jim SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I got it last Tuesday when it came out Jim, and I've 'processed' it many > times including the VERY COOL bonus CD 'neath your covers, Volume 1' where they do > an AWESOME cover of "Thunder Road", Neil's "Helpless", "Darkness Darkness" by > Jesse Colin Young and especially a stark rockin' version of the Cure's "17 > Seconds". I like the 23-minute bonus disc better than the unfamiliar stuff for > now, but that will change as the unfamiliar becomes, well, familiar. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:32:46 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: Beginning of Survival JONI RELEASE JULY 27 - again, I say I opined: << It won't sell either. I just don't get it. >> Lori riposted: << I reiterate: it will sell if we buy it and give it to every kid we know. Why else are we here, anyway, if not to help Joni get her message out? >> Sorry, Lori, but I have a really strong reaction to this statement. I am on this list out of a love of Joni's music, and in a desire to connect with other people who share this love. I'm here to talk about what I like of her music, what I don't like, what other music I like, and about pretty much anything else. I am *not* here to help Joni Mitchell sell a cruddy, half-arsed compilation of stuff that is readily available in other places, and in some cases has already been anthologised. Some of the statements on these songs are powerful, but some are sanctimonious and trite. The presumption that slinging her more recent "message" songs together will make a coherent whole that will set people to rights on the evils of the world is beyond patronising. One other thing. Like not a few other people on this list, money is *exceedingly* tight for me. Joni knows how loyal her fanbase is - yet she's apparently willing to go along with this project to part them from yet more readies for stuff they already have. Of course she's not forcing us (and I wouldn't buy this even if I did have the money), but I resent it nonetheless. I don't see artistic integrity anywhere here. Azeem in London, feeling a bit snippy about this venture (no kidding...) - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.698 / Virus Database: 455 - Release Date: 02/06/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:46:17 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Beginning of Survival JONI RELEASE JULY 27 There it is. The new stuff is, >about 10 newly created, original paintings> I'll pass. The torch has been passed. She's done plenty of great stuff already. She's more than earned a retirement. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:11:46 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Beginning of Survival JONI RELEASE JULY 27 Dear Grumpy- She is bound to get a wild hair sooner or later I am still hopeful. At least me get some new paintings. Paz (having a martini thinking of MG and you all esp. Julius who called me on his way to the memorial. Wish I could be there) >> THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL features tracks from DOG EAT DOG >> (1985), CHALK MARK IN A RAINSTORM (1988), NIGHT RIDE HOME >> (1991), TURBULENT INDIGO (1994) and TAMING THE TIGER (1998). > > Does this release frighten anyone besides me? I hate to think that Joni has > resorted to the "let's repackage my old material in a zillion ways" phase of > her career. Will this end up like The Who's old material has? "Let's see, > which of these 17 greatest hits packages shall I buy?..." > > I think it's sad that she's once again in a "political mood" but the only > new idea she can cast upon it is a few liner notes. > > Les... grumpy, I guess. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:06:06 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Jonifest 2004 Why would Joni NOT come this year? Did she have other plans, all of a sudden??? Full Moon has such a great lawn for copter landings, doesn't it? Chuck On Tuesday, June 15, 2004, at 02:15 PM, Lori Fye wrote: > May I chime in here? > > Ashara wrote: > >> I feel at this point, I should notify Full Moon so they can sell off >> the rooms >> that are not taken. With the numbers the way they are, I feel it is >> only fair >> to allow them to sell rooms if we are not able to fill the center the >> way we >> have in the past. If I do this, it means of course, that we no longer >> will >> have the place exclusively, and it will most likely affect our >> ability to come >> back to Full Moon on an exclusive basis, if at all. > > Folks, we went through this same thing last year (again and again the > same > situation), and it created a lot of stress for Ashara in particular, > as she > literally puts her name on the dotted line to guarantee certain things > so that > we can have this fest at the Full Moon. It's SUCH a lovely place to > relax and > do pretty much whatever you want, you really would not regret spending > a long > weekend there. > > If you have any reservations at all about going to JoniFest this year, > nix them > and GO! Life is short and ... you just never know ... this could be > the year > La Joan decides to surprise us all and show up herself. > > What if Joni showed up at JoniFest and you weren't there? What a > bummer that > would be! You would surely have tears streaming down your poddy face. > ; ) > > Get thyself to http://www.jonifest.com right now and sign up!! > > See you there ... > > Lori > > P.S. - Also visit http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/jonifestfood.html and > http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/album25 > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/9rHolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NortheastJonifest/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:47:13 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy 100th Bloomsday/??th Leaderday NJC Mary P. writes: << Happy birthday, as well, to Patrick Leader >> Oh, no! Who knew! This would have been such a wonderful chance for the Birthday Fairy, the Deputy, and me, the little blue Birthday Gnome, to perform our sublime Dance to Architecture in our rainbow "leader" hosen! (Hmm. I'll bet I am the first person in the history of humankind who has ever written the preceding sentence!) Happy birthday, Patrick! Shake it! - --Smurf "Why don't you write books people can read?" --Nora Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:49:56 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: RE: 10 very bad album covers -- njc Donna wrote: > Thanks for the first laugh of the day Hell!! I > think the one of Tiny Tim almost has Tito beaten - > no pun intended... > > But the Brailettes? Now that's just sad, but i > had to laugh! Sorry, db > http://www.cenedella.com/stone/archives/000590.html Don't worry, so did I! But I think the upbeat optimism of Freddie Gage is the winner for me. Now THAT guy would be fun at a party! The Playmates are a little disturbing as well - and the guy at the front looks as though he's just put those handlebars somewhere unfortunate! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:53:59 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Beginning of Survival JONI RELEASE JULY 27 - another thought Bob wrote: > Your heart is in the right place Lori, but your basic teen and 20-something > wouldn't give this collection the time of day and would dive for the 'eject' > button before the first track was through. Most of these songs suck. Teens > think of CD's as VERY disposable items. I guess I'm spoiled by my cousin's daughter (who is my first cousin, once removed, I guess) Lauren, who is 17 and debates competitively on her high school team and wants nothing less than to be president of the U.S. She is extremely political, well informed, and can hold her own in a conversation with any adult. Lauren has *almost* managed to get her parents to renounce the Republican party altogether (her 60-year-old father announced last year, while watching Bush & Cheney on the news: "My God! Those guys are just COVERED IN OIL, aren't they?!" and this was a revelation to him). Lauren listens to all kinds of music, appreciates and enjoys 80s stuff, and I've been planning to make her a gift of my DED vinyl along with a DED cd because I know she would dig it. When her mom (who is 51) heard Lauren listening to the Indigo Girls, Ani DiFranco, and Lilith Fair cds, she offered her own Joni records to Lauren and said, "If you like that, then you'll probably like this too." Lauren immediately became a Joni fan. Upon learning that I've seen JM in concert 3 times, she announced, "I'm not worthy!" which is typical teen stuff but I got her point. Then, of course, we have the teens on this list. Obviously they're ahead of their peers, but they give me hope. I think of myself at age 11, fretting over the Vietnam war and the riots everywhere and shootings at Kent State, and air and water pollution, etc., and I know there were other kids like me and that there still are. Yes, I know that *most* teens are a lot like their parents: middle Americans who mainly go with the status quo and really don't give much of a rat's ass about anything that doesn't DIRECTLY affect them -- and who will swallow whatever crap the media feeds them and go ahead and vote for the incumbent president if they bother to vote at all. But I can't and I won't lump *all* teens into that group who thinks of cds as disposable and who won't give a real listen to some political Joni tunes. To do that is to just give up entirely, imo. I'm not recycling and trying to preserve the earth and vote for the "right" people, yadda yadda and so on, for the children who don't give a damn; I'm doing it for the ones who care. Likewise, I will pass on Joni's music and messages (and the music and messages of other singer/songwriters too) to those same kids. And ... I don't happen to think the songs that will be included on "Beginning of Survival" are sucky turds. I just don't. Hejira has always been my favorite JM album, but I dig the hell out of DED for the lyrics AND for the music. The lyrics are thought-provoking and the music is ... FUN!! I like the selections from the other albums too. So I'll buy a few copies of the new release and make gifts of them. If the music and lyrics fall upon deaf ears, so be it, but I'm not going to stop trying. Lori NPIMH: "We can change the world / Rearrange the world ... " ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:04:58 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: RE: Beginning of Survival JONI RELEASE JULY 27 - again, I say > Sorry, Lori, but I have a really strong reaction to this statement. Fair enough, Azeem, and I'm sorry if I offended you. I just believe that we (or maybe just I) should take every opportunity to get people to listen to the absolutely sensible things that Joni has written about the ills of this world, and not just what she's written about love and personal loss. I'm not going to get pissy because she has chosen to do *this* with part of her Geffen catalog. As I mentioned previously, and as others have written too, I do wish the new release included songs from her non-Geffen material. Nonetheless -- and I realize I'm in quite the minority here -- I'm just a little excited about the new release. I may even buy it for myself! We're all entitled to our opinions, and again, sorry if I offended or annoyed you. Lori, who joined the JMDL in 1997 just to get news about concert appearances and album releases, and really had no plans to discuss much of anything ... : ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:07:17 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2004 Chuck (the first JMDLer who ever wrote to me back in '97) wrote: > Why would Joni NOT come this year? Did she have other plans, > all of a sudden??? > > Full Moon has such a great lawn for copter landings, doesn't it? It does, and so does Max Yasgur's farm, which isn't THAT far away from the Full Moon. I'll even ride my Yamaha over to Bethel to pick Joni up! Think she'll hop on the back? ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:17:09 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Correction and apology I wrote: > Yes, I know that *most* teens are a lot like their parents: middle > Americans ... I want to offer an apology for not including teens and parent of other countries and cultures. I have a bad habit of doing that when I get on a roll, and I didn't mean to make it seem as if everything is about the U.S. It's not. Peace, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:27:26 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: I'm curious about something If Joni continues to release collections similar to the upcoming one, will people begin to leave the Joni Mitchell Discussion List in disgust? I was thinking to myself today about all the amazing things that have come from this list in the last nearly 8 years. With the exception of Buck and Em, I know all of you because I met you on (or due to) this list. We've had countless gatherings, large and small, over the years. People from the JMDL have met and fallen in love and traveled over great distances to be together, and even married. All this because of our admiration of one woman and our love for her art. And now we bitch about what she's doing, or not doing, these days. Hmm. Just wondering what will become of *this* in the future ... Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:33:32 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: The Beginning of Survival - LOL It just occurred to me that the abbreviation for "The Beginning of Survival" on this list is likely to be: BS : D Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:38:16 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: I'm curious about something **If Joni continues to release collections similar to the upcoming one, will people begin to leave the Joni Mitchell Discussion List in disgust? This statement sure came out of left field - who's said anything about leaving? The depth of Joni's work has proven to be an almost unending source for discussion, like talking about Shakespeare or the Bible. There are books of the Bible and some of Shakespeare's plays that also suck, but it doesn't mean that there's not plenty of meat to chew on. By the same token, debating the merits of her work should certainly be an OK topic. From what I can tell, the biggest mass departures from the JMDL comes when the talk is all politics, which causes tempers to flare and folks to storm off. I'm certainly not upset with you, Lori, and I'm glad that this upcoming release is something you're excited about. Bob NP: RLJ, "Something Cool" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:48:00 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Turbulent Indigo **Wow that verse you quoted did kick ass a bit. Well, let's not give Joni too much credit for the text - most of "The Sire of Sorrow" is lifted directly from the Book of Job in The Old Testament. It is a helluva song though. I will say that TI is a great record Em - as much as you like STAS I think you'd do a double back flip when you heard TI. Sunny Sunday Sex Kills How Do You Stop Turbulent Indigo Last Chance Lost The Magdelene Laundries Not To Blame Borderline Yvette In English The Sire Of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) I'd say that ALL of these are great songs (How Do You Stop is the weakest of the lot and it's a cover, she didn't pen it). Not a t*rd in the bunch! And fwiw, it did win the Grammy for Best Pop Album that year. Bob NP: George Sawyn, "2 by Joni" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:01:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: It's a Small World, njc - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **I'm processing the new Cowboy Junkies' album "ONE > SOUL NOW". > > I got it last Tuesday when it came out Jim, and I've > 'processed' it many > times including the VERY COOL bonus CD 'neath your > covers, Volume 1' where they do > an AWESOME cover of "Thunder Road", Neil's > "Helpless", And speaking of "Helpless", they're playing kd lang's version a lot these days in TO and frankly, my dears, I find it very boooorrrrring. But let's face it - melodically speaking, there's not a lot to it, is there? I do hope her Joni cover (I don't remember what she's doing on her new album - i think there are two Joni songs though?) are better. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:10:21 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: On this sad day, a prayer AMEN! > O G-d, full of compassion, Thou who dwellest on high. > Grant perfect rest beneath the sheltering wings of Thy > presence, among the holy and pure who shine as the > brightness of the firmament unto the soul of Mary > Grace who has gone unto eternity. Lord of mercy, > bring her under the cover of thy wings, and let her > soul be bound up in the bond of eternal life. Be Thou > her possession, and may her repose be peace. Amen. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:10:22 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Drums and Jonifest 2004 Hi folks Can I just add my voice to those who have been encouraging people to come to this year's Jonifest? It really is a fantasic way to spend a long weekend. Honestly - if you get along to the Full Moon, I guarantee you won't regret it. Last year, after many years of putting it off, I finally attended my first Northeast Jonifest. I had a wonderful time, meeting so many of the people I had only known by their emails to the jmdl. There was delicious food to eat, lots of drink to be drunk (!), great company and a veritable orgy of live music. The latter, I was thrilled to contribute to with my band Stryngs, as well as being asked to play with several other people on their sets. Stryngs was at that time a three-piece band (myself, Chris Marshall and Strings), but since then we have been joined by the jmdl's very own and very talented Les Ross, and also an equally talented drummer (despite not being on the list ;0) - Derek Scurll. Derek is a lovely guy and a fantastic player, and I'm really happy to say that he has decided to come to this year's Jonifest. (OK, we threatened him with sticking his head through his snare drum and kicking him out of the band if he didn't come, but he seems to have taken it very well!) He will be playing on Stryngs' set, and I'm sure if you ask him nicely he'd be very happy to accompany anyone else who fancies some drums on their set. There is one small problem in that we'll have to hire a drum kit over there, but Ashara assures me that this can be done, and for a very reasonable price. A thought I had is that anyone who would like to have Derek play with them could perhaps contribute a handful of $ to the cost of hiring the kit. Does that sound reasonable? Anyway, come on folks. Feel that urge for going - get yourself booked into the Full Moon! atb, Martin. In London. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:11:26 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: It's a Small World, njc **(I don't remember what she's doing on her new album - i think there are two Joni songs though?) are better. A Case of You & Jericho, both of which are better songs than Helpless which *is* kind of a boring dirge of a song when you get down to it. Joni's backup vocal on it during The Last Waltz added a nice color I think. Bob NP: Repairs, "Woodstock" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:18:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: That damn MG... njc and long - --- Les Irvin wrote: > It was at Jonifest 1999 that I met MG face to face > for the first time. She > arrived later than I and came into the kitchen as I > was reaching into > Ashara's fridge to grab a drink. She walked by, > snatched it out of my hand > and said "Thanks. Aren't you going to have one?" > > I knew right away that I liked her. > Les, that was an amazingly good piece of writing; if not perfect, then close enough. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:23:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Happy 100th Bloomsday/??th Leaderday NJC - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Mary P. writes: > > << Happy birthday, as well, to Patrick Leader >> > > Oh, no! Who knew! This would have been such a > wonderful chance for the > Birthday Fairy, the Deputy, and me, the little blue > Birthday Gnome, to perform our > sublime Dance to Architecture in our rainbow > "leader" hosen! (Hmm. I'll bet I > am the first person in the history of humankind who > has ever written the > preceding sentence!) > Who says there's no originality left in this world? Happy birthday, PLeader, wherever you may be. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #269 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)