From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #263 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, June 12 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 263 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Jonathan David njc [David Sadowski ] Re: is it just me????, njc (PC) [colin ] Re: Iraq, njc [JRMCo1@aol.com] neverland ["mike pritchard" ] Re: neverland -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] sweden [colin ] Re: list wars, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Colin's dream, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: list wars, njc ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Reagan blasts Bush, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish [Deb Messling ] Re: neverland -- NJC [Lori Fye ] Re: is it just me????, njc (PC) [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: Reagan blasts Bush, njc [Lori Fye ] Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish [Lori Fye ] Re: Iraq, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Karrin Allyson [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] What is your war cry? NJC [] RE: A Case of You - not for the squeamish [] Re: list wars, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] my political campaign NJC ["Ron" ] re: is it just me?....njc ["mia ortlieb" ] Polly Paulusma NJC [=?iso-8859-1?q?Tamsin=20Lucas?= ] what is your war cry?..njc ["mia ortlieb" ] new joni dvd ["joe farrell" ] Re: is it just me????, njc (PC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish [Randy Remote ] Dissent in the most unlikely places njc ["Azeem" ] Re: Monster now Juliette Lewis NJC ["Joseph S.E. Palis" ] RE: A Case of You - not for the squeamish ["hell" ] Re: A Case of You - not for the squeamish [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: R.I.P. Ray Charles 1930-2004 NJC ["gene mock" ] RE: A Case of You - not for the squeamish - now NJC ["hell" Subject: Re: Jonathan David njc Jonathan David (Belle and Sebastian) I know you like her Well, I like her too I know she likes you Its not as if Im being sent off to war There are worse things in this world Theres still room in my wooden horse for two I was Jonathan to your David Youre still king Well I thought about her I dreamed shed come Id make my escape I thought she liked but somehow I was wrong I know you dont want it this way But its ok Its not like well be parted Its not like well never know love And shell smile for you Shell hold your hand Youll be in love, theres no other way And I will make it someday Well, I know you like her Well, I like her too I know she likes you Its not as if Im being sent off to war There are worse things in this world Theres still room in my wooden horse for two I was Jonathan to your David Youre still king Visions of love recollected Have we ever been true? I know that I have Its time for you to go Its all in the stones that you throw I want you to know Its not like well be parted Its not like well never know love And shell smile for you Shell hold your hand Youll be in love, theres no other way And I will make it someday People say that Well never change Well never change But I have You and her in the local newspaper You will be married and youll be gone Married and youll be gone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:37:01 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: is it just me????, njc (PC) Scott and Jody wrote: >Hi my name is jody and I'm fairly new to this list - > after 6 or so years you are still a newby? Gald you wrote to us! > >Colin, >I just read this book entitld, "The Five People You Meet In Heaven" It's a >real quick read, but it's another point of view of what may happen after we >die. I liked the *connection* aspect. > I'll look it up. I like the way you wrote 'what may happen' because of course none of us know. I have no doubt we survive death but don't know what that will be like-hard to imagine-tho the idea is not foreign to me at all-I experience dreams vividly so have no trouble understanding how we can exist in a world with no physical body. But as to life's purpose, goal, what God is ect i am as clueless as the next person. And we are all clueless. I think enough to be able to reject the idea of only 'good' people surviving, that there is a hell or a heaven, that we get sorted out according to our belief, that there is a Big Daddy waiting for us who will either punish us for eternity or have us prasie him for eternity. ridiculous imo. Whatever it transpires to be, i don't think anyone need be afraid of it. so it was good to read you and I hope you write some more. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 03:40:16 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Iraq, njc >The civility is going >to kick in any day now though, right? I said, "Right?" >Jim Sir, yes sir!! Wait, check that... this just in...another member of the "governing council" was ambushed and killed by "insurgents" just hours ago, sir. Looks like we're going to be in the shit for a while to come, sir. Better send MORE lawyers, MORE guns and a whole lot MORE spending money. Oh, and better send boucoup body bags, too, sir. Over. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:38:10 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: neverland Mac said >> There was no sex there then and won't be now, not in my never land. >> smurf continued >>That's pretty much how things have been going lately in my Neverland, too!<< Only good taste prevents me from mentioning Michael Jackson in this context, and address. mike in barcelona NP Elisabet Raspall Grup - Vale la pena ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:21:27 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: neverland -- NJC Mike writes: << Mac said >> There was no sex there then and won't be now, not in my never land. >> smurf continued >>That's pretty much how things have been going lately in my Neverland, too!<< Only good taste prevents me from mentioning Michael Jackson in this context, and address. >> Apparently there WAS some sex -- as in rape -- happening at Michael's Neverland, if Vanity Fair is to be believed. I had been willing to give Michael the benefit of the doubt over the child rape allegations, but the ongoing VF coverage has me believing he's guilty many times over. I think he's going to prison. The trial begins in September. - --Smurf "Musicians don't retire; they stop when there's no more music in them." --Louis Armstrong ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:59:01 +0100 From: colin Subject: sweden off to sweden right now to take one of my girls to stud. not back till 21st. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:11:34 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: list wars, njc Gary wrote: I don't understand why people feel the need to slam someone else for their opinions or how they feel...just because they don't happen to agree with that person. Hi Gary, For sure! I'm sick of the wars personally. I mean what's the use? War is just people trying to convert people and that's sick in my opinion. We each are who we are, and we have one very important thing in common, we are in love with Joni!!!! What right do we have to take ourselves so seriously that we cut each other off through our harsh words or by just slamming the door shut? Along those lines, there is a lady I would like to hear from who has been lurking or maybe has been deleting. I would like to hear her praise Ronald Reagan. You know who you are my sweet friend. And, I'm sick of being cut off by another lister in her righteousness. So, quit it! Love and joy, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:42:48 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish **eh, i've heard much much worse. As have I, certainly. And when this one started out, I was sort of liking it, and then it made a hard left into a much rougher place. It's hard to beat Chad Jasmine's "Rainy Night House" in my book for a rotten Joni cover - his screechy voice, sometimes on pitch, sometimes not, all over what sounds like a little Schroeder-type toy piano. Really tough to take. But as we always say, it's all about opinion and personal taste. I actually get a real jolt out of the ones that stand out in their uniqueness. This week I had the pleasure of getting a CD with an 11-minute jazz workout of "For The Roses" on it. A bit excessive at times, but very adventurous and an exciting listen. I suppose too that when I made my initial posting and critique I was just looking for a response. So rather than just say "here's a Joni cover" I put a teaser line in there as an intro. Anyway, it worked - I did get a little feedback and after all it WAS Joni content. But I am sorry if anyone was offended, that's really never my intent. I DO agree with Hell, though...I've spent thousands of bucks and hours on my nutty little hobby, and part of the fun of it for me is having and sharing my opinions. Bob NP: Jolie Holland, "Mad Tom of Bedlam" (anyone else listening to this one, she sounds like a cross between Gillian Welch & Leon Redbone!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:46:23 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Colin's dream, njc Colin wrote: I have just woken from a nap. I was having a very nice dream, a really nice dream, when at the crucial point dr Laura sent me an email. In the way of dreams, the email completely ruined the threesome I was having. In dreams it appears you don't need to have a pc for emails to arrive. I wonder if our dr laura has a habit of interrupting crucial moments? ;-) Hi Colin, Okay, free of charge, let me help you interpret this dream... It was a nice dream for you, therefore, it had to subconsciously involve dogs. The crucial point is representative of whether or not there would be any more dogs in your life. This indicates you have a fear of perhaps one day waking up and finding no more puppies. So, you subconsciously wanted to do something about it, coaxing them to stay by giving them your very self. At that crucial point in your dream, an email arrived from me that interupted the threesome you were having. This indicates your fear that the mother of the "puppies" you were having the threesome with would come into the room and totally spoil the fun. My suggestion to you is that you lock the door when you fall asleep and try sleeping with only one puppy rather than the whole litter... then the mother is less likely to miss them and come looking for them. As for your question of wondering whether or not I, who yes am yours, have a habit of interupting crucial moments, well, the answer is no... I create them. Always on the edge... Keeping life exciting... With love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:46:12 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: list wars, njc "Be Cool" Joni Mitchell > What right do we have to take ourselves so seriously that we cut each > other off through our harsh words or by just slamming the door shut? Along those > lines, there is a lady I would like to hear from who has been lurking or > maybe has been deleting. I would like to hear her praise Ronald Reagan. You know > who you are my sweet friend. And, I'm sick of being cut off by another > lister in her righteousness. So, quit it! Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:19:17 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Reagan blasts Bush, njc Reagan blasts Bush By David Talbot April 14, 2003 "Salon.com" -- The Bush inner circle would like to think of George W.'s presidency as more of an extension of Ronald Reagan's than of his one-term father's. Reagan himself, who has long suffered from Alzheimer's disease, is unable to comment on those who lay claim to his political legacy. But his son, Ron Jr., is -- and he's not pleased with the association. "The Bush people have no right to speak for my father, particularly because of the position he's in now," he said during a recent interview with Salon. "Yes, some of the current policies are an extension of the '80s. But the overall thrust of this administration is not my father's - -- these people are overly reaching, overly aggressive, overly secretive, and just plain corrupt. I don't trust these people.".... snip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:20:53 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish What about the guy at Symphony Space who did Turbulent Indigo as if he were Bill Murray doing his lounge-lizard bit? "Turbulent Indigo, whoa, whoa..." At 08:42 AM 6/12/2004 -0400, you wrote: >As have I, certainly. And when this one started out, I was sort of liking it, >and then it made a hard left into a much rougher place. > >It's hard to beat Chad Jasmine's "Rainy Night House" in my book for a rotten >Joni cover - his screechy voice, sometimes on pitch, sometimes not, all over >what sounds like a little Schroeder-type toy piano. Really tough to take. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 06:30:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: [none] Catherine wrote: Probably not a good time to put in a plug for Jonifest, eh? After Ric said: no kidding deb! what HYPOCRISY! if this person had given that very same performance at one of the joni pod conventions, you'd all be raving about how astonishing it was...how life altering...how the tears streamed down your poddy faces... Now I say: Actually Catherine, I think it's the perfect time to plug Jonifest. I get your point Ric and agree with you to some extent, but why use it as an opportunity to call Jonifest a pod convention? Just because a handful of listers - some who've been to fest and some who haven't - criticized someone's rendition of Case of You you feel it necessary to ridicule every person who has ever attended and been moved by going to Jonifest? Seems unnecessary. Care to explain? Jenny Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 06:55:28 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: neverland -- NJC Smurf wrote, of M. Jackson: > I think he's going to prison. The trial begins in September. Too bad. Sounds like he might be stuck *singing* "Beat It" to himself for a number of years, instead of "entertaining" children. Lori, with no sympathy whatsoever ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:01:51 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: is it just me????, njc (PC) Absolutely. Very early on Sherelle expressed her religious belief, and has graciously refrained. The first was her right. The second was from her character. I am very open about my sexuality and have had many wonderful correspondences with her. I was very disturbed to read such an offensive post. Jerry Quoting Gary Zack : > I'm with you on this Lori. Sherelle is one of the least judgmental > people I know, and a dear friend as well. She has a right to her > opinions and feelings just as much as anyone else on this list. I don't > > understand why people feel the need to slam someone else for their > opinions or how they feel...just because they don't happen to agree with > > that person. > > Gary > > > > Lori Fye wrote: > > >Steven wrote: > > > >>Well Sherrelle, OF COURSE this is how you would feel. > >> > >>I have lurked on this list long enough to remember when you said that > you > >>didn't "AGREE" with homosexuality. > >> > >>You just don't get it. PERIOD. > >> > > > >Hang on a second, Steven: I'm fairly certain that Sherelle's > "disagreement" > >with homosexuality is rooted in her devout Christian faith, and she has > a right > >to her faith. > > > >Regardless, I know that Sherelle counts me as a friend, and the feeling > is > >mutual. She knows very well that I am a lesbian and she has never > judged me > >for it. As far as I'm aware, Sherelle has never judged or condemned > anyone on > >this list for her or his homosexuality. (Disagreement is quite > different from > >condemnation.) > > > >Sherelle "gets" more than you might think. And she's entitled to feel > as she > >does about Reagan and his death, even if many of the rest of us feel > >differently. > > > >Lori, > >not devout about much of anything except for her friends ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:07:16 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Reagan blasts Bush, njc Laura shared: > April 14, 2003 "Salon.com" -- The Bush inner circle would like to think > of George W.'s presidency as more of an extension of Ronald Reagan's than of > his one-term father's. Reagan himself, who has long suffered from Alzheimer's > disease, is unable to comment on those who lay claim to his political legacy. > But his son, Ron Jr., is -- and he's not pleased with the association. Speaking of this, last night I wandered into the livingroom where Mary was watching the California burial service. I muttered, "Is this STILL going on?" but then decided to sit with her and watch. Each of the Reagan children spoke about their father, and Ron Jr. was last. He made some VERY pointed comments, which of course I can't remember verbatim now, but his comments barely shielded his contempt for G.W. Bush and the way Bush is trying to ride Ronald Reagan's bandwagon. I will admit that I felt a singular tear well in my eye as I watched Nancy say her final goodbye at the casket. Mary asked, during these few minutes, "What are all those noises? Cameras?" They were, and it really angered me that the media couldn't see fit to give the woman a few last moments alone. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:17:31 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish Catherine asked: > Probably not a good time to put in a plug for Jonifest, eh? Why not? And while we're at it, let's rename it: Joni Pod Convention 2004! Jenny, can you rework your logo? : ) Lori, who doesn't recall ever being moved to tears at JoniFest, although, like Helen, I've certainly given lots of applause ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:32:08 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Karrin Allyson Go here: http://www.broadwayworld.com/viewcolumn.cfm?colid=957 to see and hear Karrin sing Joni. Sounds like a great, new cd. I've been a long time fan. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:53:19 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case Of You - now Jonifest >Lori, >who doesn't recall ever being moved to tears at JoniFest Oh, ho ho! Well, I hope you're coming this year Lori. I was just talking to Alison in UT and we're kicking around the idea of heading east, far east, to the Catskills for the Fest! And if I do, I'll be making my guitar-playing performance debut! Trust me, you won't be able to bite back the tears for love or money! - -Julius p.s.- Joni Pod? Does that mean there'll be pink-dressed Stepford wives for all? Woo hoo. Catherine asked: > > >Probably not a good time to put in a plug for Jonifest, eh? > > Why not? And while we're at it, let's rename it: Joni Pod Convention 2004! > > Jenny, can you rework your logo? > > : ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:54:00 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: Joni Close Encounters - In Your Dreams! Hey all, I have had a few dreams with Joni featuring strongly - the first happened about 8 years ago and run up to the most recent:- 1) She was lying in a hammock and we were in a sunlit room, I passed her a joint and she took a drag, leaned back into the hammock and closed her eyes and didnt speak. There was a tremendous sense of peace. It felt like a teaching of how to use smoke properly - very much unlike how i was using it at the time. 2) I was a working in a hotel and Joni came into an outside area where there were picinic benches and a few people milling about. She was holding a pack of cigarettes and a lighter and looked beautiful, intimidating and a little on guard, aware that she was recongnised by the staff - me. 3) In a grey room (!) like a sitting room, my brother was there and they were talking but she completely ignored me. She looked like a really scary old maid, wrinkly, haughty, horsey and grey. Later in the dream we were in the back of the house and there was a horse which acted as a connection point, we still didnt talk but bonded through the horse. The air was alot lighter and more colourful. 4) In a kind of seaside shopping mall - she was with friends and very giddy and vibrant, friendly. She was visiting Ireland (where i live) and i asked her about Cork (a city i love) and she said she didnt like it and thought the art scene there unimpressive. 5) My brother and I were at the exhibition in her home town and we were looking at the scrapbook her mother had donated to the gallery. (this the most recent and had been reading all about the 2 exhibiitons). Then in came her daughter and Joni both in high spirits - i talked mainly to her daughter - the feeling was intensely exciting - yet calm. Other moments more like movie snaps - like the one at Woodstock, she was sitting on the ground, completely happy and radiant. Anymore dreams out there that you lot want to share..... dreamily, Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:56:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: is it just me????, njc HEY DIVINE MS. EM - HAPPY BIRTHDAY - a day late ... but don't be afraid, I got a couple years on you - just follow me! All the best to you - ENJOY! Peace, Susan Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: Jinger writes: << In fact TODAY I'm f_cking 45 years old!!!!!!! <> Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:01:45 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Iraq, njc Radar O'Reilly might say, >"Roger that. I'll get on the radio to Sparky. Maybe I can trade our dusty library of Ronald Reagan films for more body bags."> Any day now the Administration's gonna say "It's a war of attrition. We just have to wear them out." Just like Kissinger did in the 1960's. Lama JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Sir, yes sir!! > Wait, check that... this just in...another member of the "governing council" > was ambushed and killed by "insurgents" just hours ago, sir. Looks like > we're going to be in the shit for a while to come, sir. Better send MORE lawyers, > MORE guns and a whole lot MORE spending money. Oh, and better send boucoup > body bags, too, sir. Over. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:24:54 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Karrin Allyson Thanks for the link, Jerry. I too am looking forward to my copy, which is on the way. LOTS of good songs on it, and the clips featured there just whet my appetite. Karrin's job on Blue Motel Room was perfect, exactly the way I envisioned that song presented in a jazz vocal setting. And I can't wait to hear her do Roberta Flack's "Feel Like Makin' Love". When the original was a hit in the 70's it would always stop me dead in my tracks. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:20:36 -0500 From: Subject: What is your war cry? NJC OK, here's mine: "Sprinting amidst the mini-mall parking lot, wielding a reflective halberd, cometh Mary! And she gives an ominous roar: 'In the name of Thor the Mighty, I shall avenge my ancestors!' Whee, this is fun. Mary, still trying to figure out what happened to her ancestors. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:32:14 -0500 From: Subject: RE: A Case of You - not for the squeamish Got to say that I honestly didn't think this was so bad. Certainly, I was expecting, and have heard, much worse. The singer actually has a rather nice vocal quality, with a bit of vibrato going on, and stays on pitch throughout (to my ear, anyway). Just a question. To all who loved Diana Krall's version of the same song: what's the difference? Oh, I know there may be a big difference in the overall quality of the singing, and the recording. But Krall's version, which many were so ecstatic about, struck me as a soulless exercise in re-arranging notes in which she attempted to manufacture emotion that she didn't really feel. To me, this recording may have been closer to the mark. Mary, ducking. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:46:30 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: list wars, njc "Ladies in gingham still blush while he sings them of wars and wine, but I in my leather and lace I can never become that kind." Joni Mitchell In a message dated 6/12/04 7:46:46 AM Central Daylight Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: "Be Cool" Joni Mitchell > What right do we have to take ourselves so seriously that we cut each > other off through our harsh words or by just slamming the door shut? Along those > lines, there is a lady I would like to hear from who has been lurking or > maybe has been deleting. I would like to hear her praise Ronald Reagan. You know > who you are my sweet friend. And, I'm sick of being cut off by another > lister in her righteousness. So, quit it! Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:49:13 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: my political campaign NJC hi since there are no decent politicians left in the world today, i have decided that my presence in politics cant make it any worse. i have therefore decided to run for congress. this has of course necessitated some expenses, (like relocation to the us & buying a green card, so, of course, any donations would be welcome: go here to help out a listbuddy :-) http://www.responseunlimited.com/datacard.lasso?list=2405 where you will no doubt see that i am struiggling intensely for funding, having only managed to raise $100 m to date :-( if you dont really want to do the important thing (donation) you could vote for me instead heres a bit of background: http://www.govnotgod.org/candidates/candidate.asp?Candidate_ID=12 now i know this may be a bit sudden for all you guys out there, so if you want to know a bit more about where i stand on issues, here is a forum for discussion http://interact.rongreerforcongress.us/ you will no doubt notice that the subject list reads like the threads of a jmdl digest - whoever said my love of music wouldnt get me anywhere :-) ron henceforth to be referred to as the right honourable senator :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:04:10 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: is it just me?....njc <> So.......if our boys and girls are now dying in Iraq, trying to eradicate the WMD's that the Reagan administration originally supplied to Iraq, why am I not allowed to see the caskets of the dead at Dover, yet I am forced all week long to see Reagan's casket plastered all over the tube, the Internet, and the papers? Mia _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:14:19 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tamsin=20Lucas?= Subject: Polly Paulusma NJC Just listening to Polly Paulusma's "Scissors in my Pocket" CD and am really impressed so far, she's a big Nick Drake fan and I think you can tell - lovely voice, good lyrics and nice warm acoustic guitar. Recommended. - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:12:53 -0500 From: Subject: Re: is it just me????, njc (PC) Steven Otto wrote: "Well Sherrelle, OF COURSE this is how you would feel. I have lurked on this list long enough to remember when you said that you didn't "AGREE" with homosexuality. You just don't get it. PERIOD." Me now: hold on a minute, indeed. Sherelle may still believe what she posted she believed about homosexuality way back in 1997, or she may not (do all of us still hold each one of our beliefs from seven years ago?). But, if she does, I've never seen that influence how she treated one person on this list who self-identified as gay, lesbian, or bisexual. Sherelle and I are veterans of two Jonifests together! We've corresponded back and forth over the years. I, too, know her a generous, thoughtful, and frightfully talented "friend of spirit." And, about how she reacted to Reagan's death: as others have posted, she has a right to her feelings, whatever they may be. But what she actually wrote was: "> As for what kind of man Ronald Reagan was and whether or not he is > deserving of this state funeral, there are just as many people who admired > him as despised him. I did neither but did respect him as human being and as > a past commander in chief. I will stand by my right to feel that way. To me, > it is always sad when a person dies, especially after battling such a > terrible disease such as Alzeimers." In other words, she never opined that Ronald Reagan was the best thing to happen to the U.S. since sliced bread; that he single-handedly ended the Cold War, or that she agreed with any of his various budget-slashing domestic policies. She merely said that she neither admired him nor despised him, and then showed some compassion for him and his family after what must have been a dreadful ordeal. Do I wish he had shown more compassion for others during life, especially to those suffering from HIV disease and AIDS, and to the poor? To others enduring dreadful ordeals, some of his own making? Yes. Of course I do. But it seems to me that the way to bring more compassion into the world is to express more of it, not to tear down others who attempt to do just that. Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:22:09 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: what is your war cry?..njc Rampaging amidst the mini-mall parking lot, clutching a piece of chainlink fence, cometh Mia! And she gives a spectacular roar: "I'm going to contort you beyond the end of time, and roll you in creamy neugut!!" These are hilarious! Thanks, Hell....I love being juvenile! Mia - not a fan of the mini-mall, unless, of course, chocolate/caramel creamy neuguts are on sale..... _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:48:45 +0100 From: "joe farrell" Subject: new joni dvd Is the new Joni dvd "Refuge of the Road" only going to be released as a Region 1 NTSC edition, like "Shadows and Light"?. Thus excluding those of us in the UK with Region 2 non NTSC dvd players. Hope not. Joe. np Hissing of Summer Lawns. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:49:55 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: is it just me????, njc (PC) Sherrelle is one of the most compassionate & positive people I know... to me people's actions are much more important than beliefs... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:53:36 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish **What about the guy at Symphony Space who did Turbulent Indigo as if he were Bill Murray doing his lounge-lizard bit? "Turbulent Indigo, whoa, whoa..." Ay Dios Mio Deb...WHY did you have to remind me of thie one? Hopefully I won't get it stuck in my head, that would be so-whoa-whoa awful. If this was a recording instead of a live performance it would EASILY rival Chad's Rainy Night House. And looking ahead - there's an "All I Want" up the road ahead that's a contender as well. Bob NP: Todd Rundgren, "Liars" (my favorite CD of 2004 by a big margin so far) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:01:19 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish Oh, it's not that bad-classic shower stall singing. We've all done it. She calls herself The Redheaded Poet, but her homepage consists mostly of links to photo galleries-like her 1997 graduation. The musical clips appear to be an afterthought, but she has tons of diary entries and poems, and writes well: I picked up Josh Groban's cd and walked back passed the display of new mass-markets, trying to summon up enough scorn for the both of us. I remember the day we both admitted our obnoxiously smug prejudice, that if the book were any good at all it would at least be in trade paperback, if not hardcover. So, Bob, is this going on the collection? Where do you draw the line? RR SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Scroll to the bottom and click - if you dare, mwah hah hah.... > > http://www.redheadedpoet.com/music.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:11:45 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: R.I.P. Ray Charles 1930-2004 NJC By ANTHONY BREZNICAN, AP Entertainment Writer BEVERLY HILLS, Calif As Ray Charles played and sang, his stiffly swaying shoulders suggested some invisible tug of war between a devil and an angel. Charles, who died Thursday at age 73, was a musical innovator who combined the rollicking "bad boy" free-spiritedness of rock 'n' roll with the pious aching of gospel and soul to create a new style in such hits as "What'd I Say," "Hit the Road Jack," "Georgia on My Mind" and "I Can't Stop Loving You." "There will never be another musician who did as much to break down the perceived walls of musical genres as much as Ray Charles did," said music producer Quincy Jones, who described Charles as a "brother in every sense of the word." Charles died of acute liver disease at his Beverly Hills home at 11:35 a.m., surrounded by family and friends, said spokesman Jerry Digney. Blind by age 7 and an orphan at 15, the gifted pianist and saxophonist spent his life shattering any notion of musical categories and defying easy definition. One of the first artists to record the "blasphemous idea of taking gospel songs and putting the devil's words to them," as legendary producer Jerry Wexler once said, Charles' music spanned soul, rock 'n' roll, R&B, country, jazz, big band and blues. Over the course of a 58-year career, he put his stamp on it all with a deep, warm voice roughened by heartbreak from a hardscrabble childhood in the segregated South. Smiling and swaying behind the piano, grunts and moans peppering his songs, Charles' appeal spanned generations. Aretha Franklin called Charles "the voice of a lifetime." "He was a fabulous man, full of humor and wit," she said in a statement. "A giant of an artist, and of course, he introduced the world to secular soul singing." James Brown recalled, "He was just a sweet and gorgeous and wonderful person ... He was a role model for all people that got to know him and his music. I respected the genius ... What set him apart? He was Ray Charles - just that!" Billy Joel, a fellow piano man, said he and others started out by imitating Charles. "Ray Charles was a true American original ... Ray Charles defined rhythm & blues, soul, and authentic rock 'n' roll," Joel said Thursday. Charles' health deteriorated rapidly over the past year, after he had hip replacement surgery and was diagnosed with a failing liver. But he kept on working on what would be his last CD, "Genius Loves Company." "There were a couple of times where he would say, 'I'm not feeling well today but I'll take a stab at it ... I can come back to it later.' And he never had to come back to it later," said John Burk, who worked with Charles as producer of the upcoming duets album. The Grammy winner's last public appearance was alongside Clint Eastwood on April 30, when the city of Los Angeles designated the singer's studios, built 40 years ago, as a historic landmark. Charles won nine of his 12 Grammy Awards between 1960 and 1966, including the best R&B recording three consecutive years ("Hit the Road Jack," "I Can't Stop Loving You" and "Busted"). His versions of other songs are also well known, including "Makin' Whoopee" and a stirring "America the Beautiful," which he sang for the late President Reagan at his 1985 inaugural ball. "I was born with music inside me. That's the only explanation I know of," Charles said in his 1978 autobiography, "Brother Ray." "Music was one of my parts ... Like my blood. It was a force already with me when I arrived on the scene. It was a necessity for me, like food or water." Charles considered Martin Luther King Jr. a friend and once refused to play to segregated audiences in South Africa. He was one of the legends receiving Kennedy Center Honors in 1986, cited as "one of the most respected singers of his generation ... the pioneer who broke down barriers between secular and sacred styles, between black and white pop." Charles was no angel. His womanizing was legendary, and he struggled with a heroin addiction for nearly 20 years before quitting cold turkey in 1965 after an arrest at the Boston airport. Yet there was a sense of humor about even that - he released both "I Don't Need No Doctor" and "Let's Go Get Stoned" in 1966. His ups and downs are chronicled in an upcoming biographical movie set for release in October, titled simply "Ray" and starring Jamie Foxx. Charles, who was divorced twice and single since 1952, was survived by 12 children, 20 grandchildren and five great-grandchildren. A memorial service was planned for next week at Los Angeles' First AME Church, with burial afterward at Inglewood Cemetery. Ray Charles Robinson was born Sept. 23, 1930, in Albany, Ga. (He later dropped his last name for the stage, in deference to boxer Sugar Ray Robinson.) He lost his sight and was sent away from his impoverished family, heartbroken, to the state-supported St. Augustine School for the Deaf and the Blind. Glaucoma is often mentioned as a cause, though Charles said nothing was ever diagnosed. Before that, he began dabbling in music at 3, encouraged by a cafe owner who played the piano. The knowledge was basic, but his early influences and inspirations included the classics of Chopin, country and western stars he heard on the Grand Ole Opry, the powerhouse big bands of Duke Ellington and Count Basie, jazz greats Art Tatum and Artie Shaw. By the time he was 15 his parents were dead and Charles had graduated from St. Augustine. He wound up playing gigs in black dance halls - the so-called chitlin' circuit - and exposed himself to a variety of music, including hillbilly (he learned to yodel) before moving to Seattle. His first big hit was 1959's "What'd I Say," a song built off a simple piano riff with suggestive moaning from the Raeletts. Some U.S. radio stations banned the song, but Charles was on his way to stardom. He was called "The Genius" and was playing at Carnegie Hall and the Newport Jazz Festival. His last Grammy came in 1993 for "A Song for You," but he never dropped out of the music scene until illness sidetracked him last summer. "The way I see it, we're actors, but musical ones," he once told The Associated Press. "We're doing it with notes, and lyrics with notes, telling a story. I can take an audience and get 'em into a frenzy so they'll almost riot, and yet I can sit there so you can almost hear a pin drop." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 19:37:24 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: Dissent in the most unlikely places njc Just found this on the Urban Legends Reference Pages, which is, amongst other things, an indispensable web site to nix those infernal email petitions that come around. HYPERLINK "http://www.snopes.com/business/hidden/tombihn.asp"http://www.snopes.com /business/hidden/tombihn.asp Azeem in London NP: About to be Spain v Russia in the European Championships - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.698 / Virus Database: 455 - Release Date: 02/06/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:02:03 -0400 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Re: Monster now Juliette Lewis NJC Speaking of which, what ever happened to > Juliette > Lewis? I loved her until her characters stated getting way too > twisted.) > I heard she is now fronting a band. She showed her singing 'prowess' in "Strange Days" did she not? Jane Horrocks she is not. Juliette Lewis is easily one of most admired actors working in Hollywood. I think her film choices, though at times questionable, always mine an aspect in her acting range that seem to connect to me in strange ways. I especially liked her in "Kalifornia" and Woody Allen's "Husbands and Wives". Joseph in CH Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:26:26 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish > If this was a recording instead of a live performance it would EASILY rival > Chad's Rainy Night House. > I think I remember hearing Chad at your house.... it was quite dreadful indeed. Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:35:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish **So, Bob, is this going on the collection? Where do you draw the line? With this one. No...I dunno. I've certainly used unreleased downloads before, so I could use this one. I wasn't planning on it, but I may change my mind now that it's becoming so famous! It's not like I really NEED it, but then it's never been about need I guess. My feeling is that this girl just sang this acapella version of a song that Tori Amos sings that she really liked and just wanted to sing and share with her friends. I'll probably just let it lie. She's quickly become the William Hung of the Joni Covers world! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:01:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: R.I.P. Ray Charles 1930-2004 NJC - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > By ANTHONY BREZNICAN, writing about Ray Charles.. > and a stirring "America the Beautiful," which he sang for the late > President > Reagan at his 1985 inaugural ball. ...snip...... gawd, why oh WHY did this make me bust into tears???? is that called for??? hormones suck........... thanks though Kate for passing that piece on, was a wonderful article. Em ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:31:37 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: A Case of You - not for the squeamish Mary wrote: > Just a question. To all who loved Diana Krall's version of the same song: > what's the difference? Oh, I know there may be a big difference in the > overall quality of the singing, and the recording. But Krall's > version, which > many were so ecstatic about, struck me as a soulless exercise in > re-arranging > notes in which she attempted to manufacture emotion that she didn't really > feel. > > To me, this recording may have been closer to the mark. There's no need to duck - your opinion is just as valid as anyone else's! But I'll attempt to answer this, as someone who LOVES Krall's version of ACOY, and voiced a negative opinion on the "other" version! To my ear, there are vast differences between the two renditions. I think Krall does invoke an incredible amount of emotion in this song, and having witnessed her performing it live (here in Auckland) I can say she had the audience (including myself) absolutely spell-bound - you could have heard a pin drop in the few silent moments during the performance. There were also a few seconds of silence after the last note, then the audience erupted with applause and cheers. It was as if everyone needed a moment to collect themselves, before voicing their feelings. And her voice is incredible - definitely suited to how she arranged the song, with a huge amount of "depth" (for want of a better word). I think she DID put her heart and soul into it. I don't think the recording (either on the TNT Joni Tribute, or her Live in Paris CD) lacks in any of that emotion, either. The "other woman" (I don't know her name) lacks all that emotion (to me, at least). And like Bob, I was kind of enjoying it at first - not a soulful performance, but she has a reasonable voice, and it was in tune. But later in the song, she developed what I would call a "screeching" quality, where it sounded like she was trying too hard, and it resulted in more than a few flat notes. Perhaps some accompaniment would have softened this a little, or at least made it a little less noticeable - perhaps not. In any case, for me the enjoyment of a performance is as much about who is singing the song, as it is about the song itself. For example, I didn't like Elton John's performance of Free Man In Paris (from the TNT Joni Tribute) because I just don't like his voice - although I do love the song. The same applies to Bryan Adams or Elvis Costello singing anything! On the whole, I tend not to like covers so much - I usually prefer the songwriters renditions, because they (naturally) have a better idea of the emotion the song should convey. But there are always exceptions, eg. Krall's version of ACOY, Bonnie Raitt's version of That Song About The Midway, or CSNY's version of Woodstock. Hell ____________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:07:23 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case of You - not for the squeamish Very well put, Hell - we agree on all points as far as your comparisons go. I felt like she started out simply enough (VERY simply considering she was singing acapella) and felt like she had to keep notching up the vibrato to convey an upsurge in emotion. Mary you said she uses a "bit of vibrato", I would say that she cranks the old vibrato-meter up to 11 which is when she really started to move into P.U.-ville for me. Krall, on the other hand, doesn't use a faux-technique like singing louder or increasing the wobbliness of her vocal or anything like that; her version is a slow burn where she inhabits the lyric and makes you feel it (well, she makes ME feel it, she doesn't for you and that's cool). The "other woman" as you refer to her Hell reminds me of an actress I used to work with who thought if she slowed......her......lines.....down....it.....would...be.....more....dramatic. She basically drove us all nuts - spit the damn line out already, sheesh. Bob NP: Cowboy Junkies, "wild child" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:05:44 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: R.I.P. Ray Charles 1930-2004 NJC hello kate, here's another story about ray charles. fearing that when he passed away their would be a fight for his estate among his offsprings. so sometime in the late 90's ray gathered all his children, i think there was 12, he told them about his fears and gave each of them a million dollars. so that they could enjoy life now and not have to wait till he died. i know it's probably a urban myth, but so what? ray was just that kind of guy. i'm glad he made a lot of music in his time to remember him by. later gene n.p. "let's go get stoned" ray charles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:52:32 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: A Case of You - not for the squeamish - now NJC Bob wrote: > The "other woman" as you refer to her Hell reminds me of an > actress I used to > work with who thought if she > slowed......her......lines.....down....it.....would...be.....more. > ...dramatic. > She basically drove us all nuts - spit the damn line out already, sheesh. This reminds me of how annoyed I used to feel at lawyers here (in court) speaking so slowly - like everyone in the room is only five years old. But I saw a news item recently and apparently they HAVE to speak slowly because the people recording the whole thing can only work at a slow pace. Apparently our recording equipment is more than a little archaic, and needs to be modernised so those involved can speak normally! I feel a little less patronised now! Hell ____________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #263 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)