From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #262 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, June 12 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 262 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: troy njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: is it just me????, njc (PC) [Lori Fye ] Re: Peter Pan's sexuality (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Monster njc [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Monster njc [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Re: Monster njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: troy njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Reagan njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: troy njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: What is your war cry? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish [Catherine McKay ] njc frightening night [vince ] Re: is it just me????, njc (PC) ["Scott and Jody" ] Re: Monster njc [Lori Fye ] Re: is it just me????, njc (PC) [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: is it just me????, njc (PC) [Lori Fye ] Re: new Joni DVD [Randy Remote ] Re: new Joni DVD ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] is it just me???? njc ["Brian Hernandez" ] Iraq, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: What is your war cry? NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: What is your war cry? NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Reagan njc [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish [Em ] Today's Library Links: June 12 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish [Neil Orts ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:34:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: troy njc --- Kate Bennett wrote: > >*W*, who *got* the whole achilles/patroclus, > david/jonathan, jesus/john > Who are David and Jonathan? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:36:51 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: is it just me????, njc (PC) Steven wrote: > Well Sherrelle, OF COURSE this is how you would feel. > > I have lurked on this list long enough to remember when you said that you > didn't "AGREE" with homosexuality. > > You just don't get it. PERIOD. Hang on a second, Steven: I'm fairly certain that Sherelle's "disagreement" with homosexuality is rooted in her devout Christian faith, and she has a right to her faith. Regardless, I know that Sherelle counts me as a friend, and the feeling is mutual. She knows very well that I am a lesbian and she has never judged me for it. As far as I'm aware, Sherelle has never judged or condemned anyone on this list for her or his homosexuality. (Disagreement is quite different from condemnation.) Sherelle "gets" more than you might think. And she's entitled to feel as she does about Reagan and his death, even if many of the rest of us feel differently. Lori, not devout about much of anything except for her friends ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:36:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Peter Pan's sexuality (NJC) --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Mac says: > > << There was no sex there then and won't be now, not > in > my never land. >> > > That's pretty much how things have been going lately > in my Neverland, too! > > --Smurf Hey, babe - that's why they call it Neverland! Ha ha ha ha ha ha! (Catherine who has decided she is asexual because it's just better that way.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:43:48 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Monster njc I don't care if she's from a pig-herding village in Djabouti. I just don't think she was right for this film. :-) It has nothing to do with an accent (I didn't notice one). However, I do believe her speech was adversely affected by the false crooked teeth she had jutting out of her mouth all film long. - -Julius Ron writes: > >>>>But for a South African farm girl to play an American serial > killer, it's quite a leap, yes, > > not quite a farm girl - she's from, mmm - cant remember now - benoni or > brakpan - normally pronounced with exagerated low class accent and > condescending attitude - its an area really looked down on here as being > very low class and common, and there are a lot of jokes about the locals > (tho i cant think of any at the moment....) - guess charlize showed them > ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 02:53:34 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Monster njc Hi Julius I guess I need to see this film before I pass judg(e)ment on Ms Theron's performance! It's funny that you mention her speech impediment... that kind of thing... if the directors/producers etc etc didn't like it, gets cleaned up in overdubs in post production... (just listen to Andie MacDowell in 'Greystoke The Legend of Tarzan' - it's Glenn Close...) maybe they got used to it after weeks of working with her teeth in and were just thinking 'At least we can't see her spitting anymore' ;) JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: I don't care if she's from a pig-herding village in Djabouti. I just don't think she was right for this film. :-) It has nothing to do with an accent (I didn't notice one). However, I do believe her speech was adversely affected by the false crooked teeth she had jutting out of her mouth all film long. - -Julius Ron writes: >>>>But for a South African farm girl to play an American serial killer, it's quite a leap, yes, not quite a farm girl - she's from, mmm - cant remember now - benoni or brakpan - normally pronounced with exagerated low class accent and condescending attitude - its an area really looked down on here as being very low class and common, and there are a lot of jokes about the locals (tho i cant think of any at the moment....) - guess charlize showed them ;-) - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:54:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: What is your war cry? NJC --- Donna Binkley wrote: > Here's my war cry I swear I didn't make this up but > it's what I'd say > really! ha ha db > > > > Who is that, rampaging across the hotel lobby! It is > Donna, hands > clutching two hardened pitas! And with a booming > howl, her voice > cometh: > > "I'm going to hump you like it's a new extreme > sport!" > That's our Donna! LOL! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:58:20 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Monster njc Julius writes: << However, I do believe her speech was adversely affected by the false crooked teeth she had jutting out of her mouth all film long. >> Too bad she didn't get a magic makeover, like Nia Vardalos in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding." Then maybe she wouldn't have been so angry, like someone who has watched the Reagan funeral for days and just can't take it anymore. I haven't seen "Monster" but I would catch it just for Christina Ricci, who always plays great fringe characters. (Speaking of which, what ever happened to Juliette Lewis? I loved her until her characters stated getting way too twisted.) - --Smurf "I have left orders to be awakened at any time in case of national emergency, even if I'm in a cabinet meeting." --Ronald Reagan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:59:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: troy njc **Who are David and Jonathan? That would be King David or Bible fame...slew Goliath, Sent Uriah out to die so he could bang his wife, you know - one o' them good ole time heroes. Jonathan was his best friend. Bob NP: Prince, "Musicology" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:07:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Reagan njc --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > --Smurf, who also thinks TV had more to do with the > end of communism than > Reagan's foreign policy ever did . . . > Yes, and radio too. I have a Russian e-mail pal who used to listen to rock'n'roll in the Commie days, as a lot of young people in the iron curtain countries did. They would've been in a LOT of trouble if they were caught, which is incomprehensible to us, but the media have played a great role in uniting people of the world. Didn't they ban TV in Afghanistan during the Taliban's reign of terror? Despite all its banality, TV can be a powerful force just by being there. Not the propoganda and the hype, but the stuff of everday life - the human interest stories on the news (not the Maury Povich show, I hope!) And look what the internet has done - people from all over the world posting just on this list about anything under the sun, arguing and discussing, sharing ideas. (Do other music discussion lists do as much of this as this group does, I wonder?) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:09:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: troy njc --- Ron wrote: > hi > > > --> >*W*, who *got* the whole achilles/patroclus, > david/jonathan, jesus/john > > > > mmm - i hink you missed some - whatabout frodo & > sam, merry & pippin, the > dwarf & the troll (guess who watched return of the > king recently), abbot & > costello, laurel & hardy, simon & garrfunkel..... > (damn - running out of > ideas) > > Wile E. Coyote and the Roadrunner. Mickey and Goofy. Chip and Dale. Tom and Jerry. Pinky and the Brain. Bugs and Daffy. (Notice how they're all guys, too. What's up with that? What do you suppose Minnie and Daisy are up to when they're offscreen?) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:10:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: What is your war cry? NJC **I bring annihilation and cheap beer!!" Seems like I remember you bringing me a dang case of it last year! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:18:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish --- Ricw1217@aol.com wrote: > deb wrote: "I sure hope this singer is not a > lurking member of the JMDL! I'd hate to > hurt anyone's feelings." > > no kidding deb! what HYPOCRISY! if this person had > given that very same performance at one of the joni > pod conventions, you'd all be raving about how > astonishing it was...how life altering...how the > tears streamed down your poddy faces... > > i didn't think it was all THAT horrible. now that i > know what discerning critics you are i'm sure glad i > never got up to sing!!!!! > > ric Probably not a good time to put in a plug for Jonifest, eh? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:27:24 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: troy njc Cathering writes: << What do you suppose Minnie and Daisy are up to when they're offscreen? >> I always thought they were fucking Goofy. - --Smurf "I have left orders to be awakened at any time in case of national emergency, even if I'm in a cabinet meeting." --Ronald Reagan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:33:26 -0400 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: is it just me????, njc (PC) I'm with you on this Lori. Sherelle is one of the least judgmental people I know, and a dear friend as well. She has a right to her opinions and feelings just as much as anyone else on this list. I don't understand why people feel the need to slam someone else for their opinions or how they feel...just because they don't happen to agree with that person. Gary Lori Fye wrote: >Steven wrote: > >>Well Sherrelle, OF COURSE this is how you would feel. >> >>I have lurked on this list long enough to remember when you said that you >>didn't "AGREE" with homosexuality. >> >>You just don't get it. PERIOD. >> > >Hang on a second, Steven: I'm fairly certain that Sherelle's "disagreement" >with homosexuality is rooted in her devout Christian faith, and she has a right >to her faith. > >Regardless, I know that Sherelle counts me as a friend, and the feeling is >mutual. She knows very well that I am a lesbian and she has never judged me >for it. As far as I'm aware, Sherelle has never judged or condemned anyone on >this list for her or his homosexuality. (Disagreement is quite different from >condemnation.) > >Sherelle "gets" more than you might think. And she's entitled to feel as she >does about Reagan and his death, even if many of the rest of us feel >differently. > >Lori, >not devout about much of anything except for her friends ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:39:33 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish I agree completely, Ric. She wasn't that bad. I believe we're seeing the "bandwagon" effect. Doug Ricw1217@aol.com wrote: >deb wrote: "I sure hope this singer is not a lurking member of the JMDL! I'd hate to >hurt anyone's feelings." > >no kidding deb! what HYPOCRISY! if this person had given that very same performance at one of the joni pod conventions, you'd all be raving about how astonishing it was...how life altering...how the tears streamed down your poddy faces... > >i didn't think it was all THAT horrible. now that i know what discerning critics you are i'm sure glad i never got up to sing!!!!! > >ric > >. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:53:05 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc frightening night I am scared of what comes next I lamely put a local PBS channel on tonight and it is money raising time and the theme tonight is American music and I am working on the computer so I leave it on despite the money pitches so I look up at this loud brassy voice and it was a skinny Ethel Merman singing with a bearded Bing Crosby -- later out comes Judy Collins who sings some song like it was *her* song what worse thing could happen? Vince oh and Victor, I know the score tonight - Schoeneweis was not all that on tonight -- keeping watching the hitting streak of Carlos Lee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:07:46 -0400 From: "Scott and Jody" Subject: Re: is it just me????, njc (PC) Hi my name is jody and I'm fairly new to this list - in terms of posting and lurking. I really don't do either well. I'm usually a gazillion posts behind, but somehow I manage to keep updated by one or two and then go back at some point. It also helps to keep in touch with some jmdler's by phone. I had a very difficult time last month moving my Dad to assisted living so soon after my Mom's death. Prior to flying to Chicago, I had printed out all the compilation threads from Les's to read on the plane. I hadn't read any of them as complete threads. Thank You Lori for Electricity and Mother's Day. Thank you Bar BearUh - Sweetbird and David Wright - Jungle Line, where ever you two are now. Thank you all that contributed. It helped me to feel more grounded, so to speak. It also made me realize how little I do contribute to this list. It all started 6 years ago when SCJoniGuy commented that my typing skills sucked and that I couldn't possibly type a response within at least a car wash and a roof installation's time. Needless to say this has haunted me ever since. Colin, I just read this book entitld, "The Five People You Meet In Heaven" It's a real quick read, but it's another point of view of what may happen after we die. I liked the *connection* aspect. It's also a good book if a certain jmdlr sends you an HOSL Demos Cd. With great anticipation and CD in tow, you ride your bike all the way to the Charles River. You find a spot in the lush grass, settling now sipping on a Vernors ginger ale, you listen to track one..... nice!!!! Track two until the end.. #@!?&#@??!!!!!!! OOps, my bad in burning......"Hey, but you've got this book to read" I went to webmd.com earlier to look for an answer to a medical problem that I'm having, it's an old age thing. Catherine, was it you that suggested it? Em, you should probably jot down the site, now! Just kidding you lovely ladies of wisdom....I am one. When I hit the link to webmed.com, the first title I read was Aboot Mourning Reagan. I'm sorry, but I have Joni to remind me of my immortality. My time is up. lot's o' love to you all' jody - ----- Original Message ----- From: "tantra_apso" To: Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: Re: is it just me????, njc (PC) > Am I glad Reagan has died? yes. > > Because of his politics? No. > Because of his homophobia? No. > > I am glad because he was 93 and had been suffering a long time and so > had those around him who loved him. > Also, he now has to see clearly. > I don't get why so many who say they have such strong religious belief > are sad that he is has passed over. Surely it is something to be > cheerful about? > I have no religion but am no athiest. I believe we all survive death > intact and then we get to face ourselves as we really are and not how we > imagined we were. Then we have to work it through-growth continues. No, > I don't believe there is anyone with a black book or a big stick. We > create our own conditions. > > -- > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:15:30 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: njc frightening night > oh and Victor, I know the score tonight - Schoeneweis was not all that > on tonight -- keeping watching the hitting streak of Carlos Lee enjoyed the game...they made it close in the end Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:25:15 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Monster njc All the commentary about "Monster" is interesting. Mary and I just watched it tonight, and I thought Theron's performance was amazingly good and quite compelling. Ricci played her part very well too. Overall, the film was disturbing as hell for both Mary and me, which of course is exactly what was intended. Like "Seven," I think it's a movie that will stick in my memory for many years to come. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:26:14 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: is it just me????, njc (PC) In a message dated 6/11/04 11:10:32 PM, johnsonjs100@comcast.net writes: << It's also a good book if a certain jmdlr sends you an HOSL Demos Cd. With great anticipation and CD in tow, you ride your bike all the way to the Charles River. You find a spot in the lush grass, settling now sipping on a Vernors ginger ale, you listen to track one..... nice!!!! Track two until the end.. #@!?&#@??!!!!!!! OOps, my bad in burning...... >> How odd! Something like that happened to me, except without the Vernors. What exactly is that, anyway? Welcome, Jody! It's nice to read your post. You seem like the kind of woman who'd be fun to go on a roadtrip to Jersey with, or have a nice low-carb Easter dinner with. Any special guy in your life? XO, - --Smurf "I have left orders to be awakened at any time in case of national emergency, even if I'm in a cabinet meeting." --Ronald Reagan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:29:28 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: is it just me????, njc (PC) > Hi my name is jody Jody!! Great to *see* you here! We've missed you ... will you be at fest this year? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:04:17 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: new Joni DVD "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > I'm sure of this- one of the guitars she used earlier in the video looks > just like the blond (maple?) George Benson signature model Ibanez that > Anita now uses. And a beautiful guitar it is.... Yes, there were at least two blonds, and a sunburst one. They had numbers on them, #1, #2, etc. At least a couple of times one was offered on ebay. There was talk that more of her guitars would be sold, but didn't happen to my knowledge. A Mellotron allegedly belonging to her was on ebay, too. RR > Anyone who attended JoniFest last year, will remember > that guitar's history: > http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/album26/Sa_Gabrielle_and_the_prized_Ibanez_Lama_Konica ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:44:46 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: new Joni DVD Yah, the first time I think they had 2 on ebay at the same time and both were withdrawn. Then a few weeks later, they put up one or two, but just one at a time. Anita bought one of Joni's guitars and brought it to the JMDL reunion in the Catskills (JoniFest 2003). It was interesting the way everyone asked permission to touch it. I felt strange asking, but hey, I had to too. Anyway, on the last night (last year) Anita played one song, then called for the guitar. Slowly (and loudly of course) Paz brought it down the center aisle, holding it out like the holy article it is, while everyone cheered. Me? I genuflected through laughter. Great times. Jim np: Disc 4 of JoniFest 2000 at Atty May's on Plum Island, MA, US, waiting for "Conversation" Randy Remote wrote: > Yes, there were at least two blonds, and a sunburst one. They had > numbers on them, #1, #2, etc. At least a > couple of times one was offered on ebay. There was talk that more > of her guitars would be sold, but didn't happen to my knowledge. > A Mellotron allegedly belonging to her was on ebay, too. http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/album26/Sa_Gabrielle_and_the_prized_Ibanez_Lama_Konica ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:09:39 -0700 From: "Brian Hernandez" Subject: is it just me???? njc First things first...HAPPY BIRTHDAY EM! And 45 isn't old... Now, as far as Ronald Reagan goes...I'm certainly not shedding any tears or feeling sad over his death. While he sat in the White House and ignored the beginnings of the AIDS crisis, I lost my older brother and countless friends to the disease. I know many of us have lost loved ones to AIDS. A lot could have been done much sooner if we didn't have a senile, homophobic president running the country. As I saw people in tears, mourning Reagan's death, I thought...obviously you don't remember or don't care what came out of his time in office...the corporate greed, homelessness, Iran-Contra, AIDS ignorance...just to name a few things. And how long do you think it will take Bush to jump on the Reagan nostalgia bandwagon? All his re-election ads will start to focus on how he's continuing the Reagan legacy. Call me what you will...but I'm certainly glad all the funeral hoopla is over and done with now! [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:12:04 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Iraq, njc Is anyone else following this on the New York Times site? Holy crow! (MG would say it if she was typing on this topic, today.) Sadr's people are systematically overruning police stations, killing everyone who maintains order, setting free the criminals, then blowing up the building! They've pulled this trick at least 3 times (in one day's news). Meanwhile, we're preoccupied about revisionism. The violence in Iraq makes "Terminator" look like "Steel Magnolias". The civility is going to kick in any day now though, right? I said, "Right?" Jim np: still disc 8 of JoniFest 2000 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:23:40 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: What is your war cry? NJC In a message dated 6/11/2004 10:21:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: **I bring annihilation and cheap beer!!" Seems like I remember you bringing me a dang case of it last year! There ya go! ;-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:40:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: What is your war cry? NJC Rampaging out of the candy store, carrying a reflective halberd, cometh Kate! And she gives a spectacular grunt: "I'm going to pound you until you're a Dungeons & Dragons statistic!!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:48:15 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Reagan njc They're waxing on and on about our dear departed Ronald Ray-Gun on the ABC TV network's "20/20" news mag right now. Correspondents Sam Donaldson and Barbara Walters are blah-blah-blahing their memories of their travels with the Gipper during his presidency. Sam said he and Ronnie got to be pretty good buddies. Sam says that late in Reagan's second term, a prominent South African Bishop was visiting the White House for a State dinner. Donaldson was in attendance and seated near Reagan. At one point, according to Donaldson, President Reagan leaned over and whispered in his ear: "Say, Sam, what is Bishop Tutu's last name?" Without hesitation, Donaldson told him, "Twain." - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:13:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish honestly I think it was mostly that the recording was, lets see, shall I say, "unfortunate"? Sounded like she'd been recorded in the studio without the accompanying instrument (whatever it was) coming through. Like she's singing with headphones on and can hear stuff we can't. Like the instrumental track is not there. Em - --- Doug wrote: > I agree completely, Ric. She wasn't that bad. I believe we're seeing > the > "bandwagon" effect. > > Doug > > > > Ricw1217@aol.com wrote: > > >deb wrote: "I sure hope this singer is not a lurking member of the > JMDL! I'd hate to > >hurt anyone's feelings." > > > >no kidding deb! what HYPOCRISY! if this person had given that very > same performance at one of the joni pod conventions, you'd all be > raving about how astonishing it was...how life altering...how the > tears streamed down your poddy faces... > > > >i didn't think it was all THAT horrible. now that i know what > discerning critics you are i'm sure glad i never got up to sing!!!!! > > > >ric > > > >. ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 02:13:56 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: June 12 On June 12 the following article was published: 2001: "By the time he got to Wigstock" - Irish Times (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=645 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:17:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Orts Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish eh, i've heard much much worse. it may be a good time to point out that there are some people who can't stand Joni's voice, especially on her earlier albums when she thought she was supposed to be a soprano. i mean, honestly, Joni was reaching here and there. i disagree with some choices she made in varying the melody (but she seems to be on key enough to believe those were choices and not just mistakes) and she might have tried it in a key a step or two lower, but as such things go, it didn't bother me terribly. and i can be rather squeamish. :) Somewhere, and heaven only knows where, but somewhere I have a tape of me singing "I Think I Understand." I'll have to find that and burn it soon . . . - -Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:29:46 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish Ric wrote: > no kidding deb! what HYPOCRISY! if this person had given that > very same performance at one of the joni pod conventions, you'd > all be raving about how astonishing it was...how life > altering...how the tears streamed down your poddy faces... > > i didn't think it was all THAT horrible. now that i know what > discerning critics you are i'm sure glad i never got up to sing!!!!! Speaking personally, I stand by what I said - I thought it was an awful rendition. But comparing it to a Jonifest performance is not the same thing in my book. Do I applaud everyone who gets on stage at Jonifest? Damn right - they've got more guts than I do, and they're enjoying themselves. If the woman on this site was at Jonifest, she'd get my applause just like everyone else - whether I liked her performance or not. There's no "hypocrisy" and I feel a little annoyed being labelled as such. Good on this woman for doing what she loves, and having pride in herself - enough to post these things on a website, at the very least. But I still don't have to like it - any more than I like Elton John or Elvis Costello, or even some of Joni's early helium stuff. Jonifest is about supporting my friends, not playing amateur music critic. This woman is offering her music to the world (via a website) so I think I'm entitled to an opinion. Hell ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #262 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)