From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #257 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, June 9 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 257 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni Videos/on DVD? ["vincenzo mancini" ] Mystic River njc [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Mystic River njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] At last an actress to play Joni - maybe ["robin mortlock" ] Re: At last an actress to play Joni - maybe [colin ] troy njc [colin ] Re: Mystic River njc [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: Mystic River njc ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: troy njc [JRMCo1@aol.com] RE: Troy njc ["Azeem" ] Re: Lightning (njc) [JRMCo1@aol.com] NJC, Bon courage Ashara! ["Patti Parlette" ] new Joni DVD [david sapp ] Evaluating Contributions - njc ["Suzanne MarcAurele" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Attending Jonifest ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: troy njc [Jerry Notaro ] John Kelly's new show: "Get Up And Jive" in NYC [NJC] [Richard Goldman ] Re: troy njc ["Ron" ] cappy brecker?? ["Ron" ] RE: troy njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: At last an actress to play Joni - maybe [Chris Marshall ] is it just me???? [Em ] apology [Em ] Re: is it just me???? njc [Deb Messling ] Re: is it just me???? - NJC ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: is it just me???? - NJC [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: Mystic River njc [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: Mystic River njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: TV Crushes & Significant Other Joni Haters - njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: troy njc [colin ] Subject: Joni Videos, Celebration at Big Sur ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: is it just me???? - NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Mystic River njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: is it just me???? njc [Em ] Re: is it just me???? njc [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 08:03:02 +0000 From: "vincenzo mancini" Subject: Joni Videos/on DVD? Randy, Bob, Ashara, all: can anybody in the jmdl share these videos copying them on DVD? Vincenzo From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni Videos "Celebration at Big Sur", and Joni performs a solo rendition of "Woodstock", and leads the CSNY boys through The Youngblood's "Get Together". She probably does another song, too, I can't remember. They show this movie occasionally on cable channels. It also features CSN&Y, John Sebastian, and others. From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Videos The video "Joni On The BBC" is a collection of classic stuff and has been shared a lot on the JMDL. It's nothing that was ever officially released commercially, and like Randy says that's too bad. But I do have a copy and have made many copies over the years. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:09:35 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Mystic River njc I scored at the video rental store last night, ya'll. That is to say, I brought home some killer films that were just released on DVD/video. I meant that figuratively, but haha...well, you'll see if you see 'em, maybe... "Mystic River"...I had missed it when it came to a theater near me and it just blew my mind, even on DVD. Near perfect movie, for my money. I just wasn't ready for that. The whole ensemble cast rocked. You got Kevin Bacon (think "A Few Good Men"), Lawrence Fishburn (recall him in a little film called "Apocalypse Now"?), the two actresses, whose names escape me now, but they were all outstanding! See this and if you don't like it, well....you just will, you'll see. Next up: "Monster" followed by "City of God." The balcony is open...see ya at the movies. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:22:59 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mystic River njc Good choices, Julius...and don't forget Sean Penn (who won an Oscar for the film) and Tim Robbins (who was even better than Penn!) Laura Linney, who is an amazing talent as well, is one of the 2 women you spoke of. And of course, due credit must be given to Clint Eastwood for his superb direction. Summer is usually a slow time for me with movies as I'm more interested in good films as opposed to big films. Let me know what you think about Monster; I found it very strong, and dark too, after all how can you have a happy movie about a serial-killing highway hooker? Bob NP: Jolie Holland, "Poor Girl's Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 12:30:16 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: At last an actress to play Joni - maybe Hey all Last night i saw "Peter Pan" and the girl that plays Wendy is a dead ringer for Joni as a flowering girl. Watch this space - maybe she will grow up to be a sappy english actress following the lead from the likes of Pasty Kensit or the grim Gwyneth Paltry (i know she's american) but you never know she may have talent - and maybe (tenterhooks bristling) she can sing a bit like our collective beloved..... Has anyone seen this film and noted the exciting similarity - do you feel the potential? Are film scripts falling into your minds? I am thinking of kidnapping her and locking her in a room with nothing but high literature and Joni records....oh and a lute and flute....... yours talent scoutingly Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 08:46:26 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: At last an actress to play Joni - maybe Film posts. I love 'em. I saw Peter Pan because another movie was sold out during Christmas. I was leary because it is one of my favorite stories. It was by far the year's most overlooked movie. It is a marvel, and very true to the original book by Barrie. And you are right. The actress who played Wendy, who ws terrific, could easily play Joni. We'll have to find out if she smokes! Jerry Quoting robin mortlock : > Hey all > > Last night i saw "Peter Pan" and the girl that plays Wendy is a dead > ringer for Joni as a flowering girl. Watch this space - maybe she > will > grow up to be a sappy english actress following the lead from the likes > of Pasty Kensit or the grim Gwyneth Paltry (i know she's american) but > you never know she may have talent - and maybe (tenterhooks bristling) > she can sing a bit like our collective beloved..... > > Has anyone seen this film and noted the exciting similarity - do you > feel the potential? Are film scripts falling into your minds? > > I am thinking of kidnapping her and locking her in a room with nothing > but high literature and Joni records....oh and a lute and flute....... > > yours talent scoutingly > > Robin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:32:15 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Mystic River njc Right you are, Bob. How could I let Penn's performance go unmentioned? His character was incendiary, whereas Tim's was the smoldering brooder, I think. I'd have to give the edge to Penn performance-wise, not to take anything away from Robbins, who is very versatile and can play sympathetic characters like he does in "Mystic" and "Shawshank," or he can play a jerk well, too, like he did in "Jungle Fever." I think the movie probably benefits from those earlier associations. You can't quite get a bead on his character until, um, too late in this psychological thriller. Well, it's kind of a psychological movie, but I don't really think the "thriller" term applies here. It's a bit of a genre buster as well, you see. I like that. You know, that role Penn played had "Oscar" written all over it...like whoever was lucky enough to get the role in "Gladiator." I think Mickey Rourke could've done wonders with it, as he was eerily spot on in "Angel Heart." Benicio del Torro is another. Freaking Brad Pitt even, if you look at "Eleven" which I think is by far his best work...if you don't count "Thelma and Louis." And of course, Clint Eastwood is God. I just got my collector's edition of "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly," which is new on DVD as well. I bought that one and I intend to buy "Kill Bill 2," which I loved on the big screen, when it comes out in August. And I'm going to dig deep to get the collector's editon of "Jackie Brown" as well, if I have any money left at all...when it comes out in early Autumn. Whew. Enough about me. How are you? ;-) - -Julius In a message dated 6/9/2004 4:22:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy writes: > Good choices, Julius...and don't forget Sean Penn (who won an Oscar for the > film) and Tim Robbins (who was even better than Penn!) > Laura Linney, who is an amazing talent as well, is one of the 2 women you > spoke of. And of course, due credit must be given to Clint Eastwood for his > superb direction. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:35:16 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Lightning (njc) Congratulations to the Tampa Lightning who won the Stanley Cup on Monday night! There's a big parade in Tampa today though I won't be able to attend. However, I will be there vicariously as my brother in law got to kiss the Stanley Cup and is driving goal tender, Nikolai Khabibulin, in the parade. Go Lightning!!! Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:38:50 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: At last an actress to play Joni - maybe notaro@stpt.usf.edu wrote: >Film posts. I love 'em. I saw Peter Pan because another movie was sold out >during Christmas. I was leary because it is one of my favorite stories. It was >by far the year's most overlooked movie. It is a marvel, and very true to the >original book by Barrie. > John and I also saw this film-or rather half of it. It did seem promosing and started well. We found the sexual overtones of the film worrying considering the age of the characters. It left a rather unpleasant feeling with us and we didn't finish watching the film. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:39:22 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Mystic River njc Sean Penn was brilliant in that movie, just brilliant. Speaking of Brad Pitt, I saw Troy the other night and really enjoyed it . The wise-cracking King Aggaemenon (sp?) reminded me of Steve Polifka. I thought the brunette Persus (sp?) was far more beautiful than Helen. Paris seemed too young. Victor, eager to see the new Harry Potter though there's definately a backlog of dvd's I could rent of movies I've intended to see but didn't Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:43:50 +0100 From: colin Subject: troy njc I enjoy sword and sandal epics. It seems we will probably not go and see this film. Achilles great love interest has changed sex for this film. Of course, we couldn't possibly have a hero macho man be in love with another man could we? oh no. gay people can only be protrayed as in Queer Eye or Will and Grace. No way can we have a gay man be butch and heroic......it would startle the horses...... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 09:56:30 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: Mystic River njc Quoting Victor Johnson : > Sean Penn was brilliant in that movie, just brilliant. > > Speaking of Brad Pitt, I saw Troy the other night and really enjoyed it Hated it. It was like 90210 does Shakespeare. The only time the screen lit up was when Peter O'Toole was on. Do we really have to change the Illiad, one of the great masterpieces to survive through history, to make it Hollywood worthy? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:16:46 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: Mystic River njc Victor said: <> oh, Smurph! you really get around, don't you?? ;o) love - c ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:22:06 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: troy njc Funny, in a way, that you should mention horses, colin. Have you not seen "Midnight Cowboy"? It's one of my favorites. - -Julius In a message dated 6/9/2004 6:51:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tantraapso@btopenworld.com writes > Achilles great love interest has changed sex for this film. > Of course, we couldn't possibly have a hero macho man be in love with > another man could we? oh no. gay people can only be protrayed as in > Queer Eye or Will and Grace. > No way can we have a gay man be butch and > heroic......it would startle the horses...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:27:19 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: Troy njc << Hated it. It was like 90210 does Shakespeare. The only time the screen lit up was when Peter O'Toole was on. Do we really have to change the Illiad, one of the great masterpieces to survive through history, to make it Hollywood worthy? Jerry >> I tend to agree Jerry, although I didn't hate it exactly. I thought Brad looked great - shame he had to talk and act, as the illusion vanished instantly. Orlando Bloom was just a big girl's blouse with a bow and arrow (Welcome back, Legolas!), although that may not have been entirely his fault. The way they changed *key* events was indefensible, while the CGI and battle scenes just made me think I was back in Middle Earth. It was the older actors who carried the film. Peter O'Toole was magnificent, as was Brendan Gleeson as Menelaus. Although his cry up to Helen "You left me for this?!" was jarringly anachronistic, you couldn't help but agree with him! Brian Cox is always good value too. Sean Bean was very good too, though again I think his part was better written than most. As for Helen, well, the face that launched a glitzy yacht or two, maybe. Saffron Burrows is much better looking IMHO, as well as being a more interesting actor than Diane Kruger. I've seen Harry Potter too - best so far, but still not that great. Azeem in London NP: Adam Masterson - One Tale Too Many - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.698 / Virus Database: 455 - Release Date: 02/06/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:41:17 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning (njc) Congratulations, Tampa Bay! And, oooh, am I early enough to be the first to say it, re: next season: "Can Tampa Bay Lightning Strike Twice?!" - -Julius In a message dated 6/9/2004 6:37:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > Congratulations to the Tampa Lightning who won the Stanley Cup on Monday > night! There's a big parade in Tampa today though I won't be able to > attend. > > However, I will be there vicariously as my brother in law got to kiss the > Stanley Cup and is driving goal tender, Nikolai Khabibulin, in the parade. > > Go Lightning!!! > > Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:41:23 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: NJC, Bon courage Ashara! Dear Ashara: I'm so sorry to hear that you have challenges facing your family. Having survived a major upheaval in my own, I have deep compassion for others facing difficult times. I have never met you personally, but it is clear from your posts and awesome Jonifest energy that you are a soul to be cherished. I send you prayers and good wishes and "bon courage" (that's French for good luck/keep your chin up/hang in there/keep your spirit) -- and I'm sure I speak for everyone on this list. You know we'll try to be there for you, when your spirits start to sink! When your life gets less stressful, I would love to receive a list of available Joni videos. With love and compassion, Patti (Mrs. David McCallum) _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:51:56 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: david sapp Subject: new Joni DVD According to Rolling Stone Daily: "Refuge of the Roads," a JONI MITCHELL concert DVD from a 1983 show, will be released on August 24th peace, david ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:02:29 -0400 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Evaluating Contributions - njc Too busy to read all of the daily commentaries but I cannot help but interject that my typing at this keyboard or any other for that matter is not a contribution to society and probably not even to the growth of anyone. For our much speaking I find myself aging with an awareness that I do precious little in comparison to those so easily trashed for what they did do because some of their positions we did/do not agree with. It seems a bit loud to do so. Arm chairing the world and taking a walk to the ballot box once every four years is not exactly volunteer work, active pursuit of a career in anything that might make a difference, and certainly our missives do not constitute an active participation after the elections to see to it that more than occasional bills and feasting goes on. Our government, is of the people, and it is clear, in the past, as now, it has no long term overview, just pork barrel politics - both sides of the fence equally guilty of myopic legislation for its pet interests and that is how we got 9/11, AIDS, and all the ills that plague our world. The dedication and consistency of dedication to anything more than our little worlds has always been "the way", so, in spite of the hard work and dedication of scientists, engineers, true artists etc. we share no parity to their efforts and feel no shame, offer excuses for how we fuck up daily in small ways that add up to the mess we are in. Anybody stop driving his or her car? Start growing their own food? Spinning their own cloth? Living without electricity or home heating? Guess not or for one these things would not be read. Maybe I look in the mirror too often and see just how low I really am S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:06:56 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: Lightning (njc) Ya . Go to hell Do not pass go Do not collect $200 ;-) At least we have The Montreal Expos left to bring some glory to Canada Victor Johnson wrote: > > >Go Lightning!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:31:59 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Attending Jonifest Woo hoo!! Chris I'm so glad you and Strings are coming that great news! See you in August. love db >>> chris@hatstand.org 6/8/2004 5:18:16 PM >>> On 7 Jun 2004, at 21:27, Michael Paz wrote: > Tooooooo many mens's on this list. Come on more high pitched singers of > the female variety! LOL You too Wally! And I don't see my fave UK bloke > with the great bottom. Chris are you there? Are you coming??? Yeah, I should be there: signed up, about to post waiver form, should cough the cash (mostly) at the weekend. Strings'll be similarly sorted soon also. And for a moment there I thought you'd commented on the size, rather than quality of my bottom. Thank god I read your message again, huh? - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/9rHolB/TM - --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NortheastJonifest/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:46:21 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: troy njc JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: >Funny, in a way, that you should mention horses, colin. Have you not seen >"Midnight Cowboy"? It's one of my favorites. > >-Julius > > > > no I haven't, Must catch it on repeat. I was a mere boy when it was released the first time and not old enough to see it. Is this the one with Jon Voight? For some reason I get this film mixed up with Dog Day Afternoon-another film I was too young to see. I know what the latter film is about but don't know what the first is about. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 12:00:02 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: troy njc If you do, please get the 25th Anniversary DVD version. The extras alone are worth it. An American masterpiece that broke the hypocrisy of the MGAA Rating Guide. Jerry > JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > >> Funny, in a way, that you should mention horses, colin. Have you not seen >> "Midnight Cowboy"? It's one of my favorites. >> >> -Julius >> >> >> >> > no I haven't, Must catch it on repeat. I was a mere boy when it was > released the first time and not old enough to see it. Is this the one > with Jon Voight? For some reason I get this film mixed up with Dog Day > Afternoon-another film I was too young to see. I know what the latter > film is about but don't know what the first is about. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:11:54 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: John Kelly's new show: "Get Up And Jive" in NYC [NJC] John Kelly's new show, "Get Up And Jive: Even More Songs of Joni Mitchell" at The Fez in NYC, Friday June 25. http://www.feznyc.com/ Two-time Obie Award winning experimental theater artist John Kelly will premiere his latest piece Get Up and Jive: Even More Songs of Joni Mitchell at Fez, once again with Zecca Esquibel as Georgia O'Keeffe. This entirely new evening of stories and songs follows up the critically acclaimed Paved Paradise: The Songs of Joni Mitchell (1997) and Shiny Hot Nights: More Songs of Joni Mitchell (2001). "There's drag and then there's transformation through spiritual osmosis, and that's what John Kelly accomplishes with this tribute... Magnificent." - New York Times ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 12:43:57 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: John Kelly's new show: "Get Up And Jive" in NYC [NJC] Damn. Damn. Damn. Finally he's performing when I WILL be in NYC, and on my birthday, no less. Patrick and I have tickets to The Musical of Musicals that night. But, wait. He will be there Saturday, also. Already have tickets to The Threepenny Opera that night. Damn! Damn! Damn! Jerry > John Kelly's new show, "Get Up And Jive: Even More Songs of Joni > Mitchell" at The Fez in NYC, Friday June 25. http://www.feznyc.com/ > Two-time Obie Award winning experimental theater artist John Kelly > will premiere his latest piece Get Up and Jive: Even More Songs of > Joni Mitchell at Fez, once again with Zecca Esquibel as Georgia > O'Keeffe. This entirely new evening of stories and songs follows up > the critically acclaimed Paved Paradise: The Songs of Joni Mitchell > (1997) and Shiny Hot Nights: More Songs of Joni Mitchell (2001). > "There's drag and then there's transformation through spiritual > osmosis, and that's what John Kelly accomplishes with this tribute... > Magnificent." - New York Times ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:50:52 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: Lightning (njc) Victor wrote: > Congratulations to the Tampa Lightning who won the Stanley Cup on Monday > night! Congratulations are in order, indeed. The pursuit of the Stanley Cup is the most grueling endeavor in all of sports. The sheer jubilation of watching the winning team hoist the Cup and skate around the rink with the Cup on high is an unmatched spectacle of joy. The unique thing about the Cup, aside from its history, is the fact that the names of the winning team's members are engraved on it and are there for all time. About as close to immortality as it gets! Even though my team was eliminated in the Western Conference semi-finals, I applaud the Lightning. This year's Cup Final was a great and memorable series. There's ALWAYS next year!! GO WINGS! Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:32:44 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: troy njc hi >>>>colin wrote >>>>>>> It seems we will probably not go and see this film. Achilles great love interest has changed sex for this film. ahh, so i was right - i went & saw this movie on saturday & wondered about this - it was ancient greece after all. so - for those of us lacking in the classics - who should the love have been?????? ron (who thought the horse wasnt the only wooden character in the movie) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:34:53 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: cappy brecker?? hi question ive wanted to ask for ages, but never got round to. what is the significance of the "cappy brecker" followed by a laugh after joni introduces him on s&l??? ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:21:23 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: troy njc patroclus. in aeschylus's myrmidones, achilles says after patroclus' death: "does it mean nothing to you, the unblemished thighs I worshipped and the showers of kisses you had from me?" or, in other translations "you had no consideration for my pure reverence of your thighs, ungrateful after all our frequent kisses" or "does not my holy reverence for the thighs move you, oh you thankless of the frequent kisses." in plato's symposium: "great was the reward of the true love of Achilles towards his LOVER Patroclus" (my capitals). *W*, who *got* the whole achilles/patroclus, david/jonathan, jesus/john thing when i was a kid, long before i understood what it was all about. i KNEW before i really knew -- which proves that i was born a shameless queen. > > ahh, so i was right - i went & saw this movie on saturday & wondered about > this - it was ancient greece after all. > > so - for those of us lacking in the classics - who should the love have > been?????? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:27:19 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: At last an actress to play Joni - maybe On 9 Jun 2004, at 13:30, robin mortlock wrote: > Last night i saw "Peter Pan" and the girl that plays Wendy is a dead > ringer for Joni as a flowering girl. This'll be Joni-list-synchronicity then. Strings and I watched this at the weekend and noticed the similarity too. - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:54:59 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni Videos Available I just sent a list of available videos to the people that requested it. Sorry it took so long, but I had to update the list with the pink dress concert, and take out Refuge of the Roads, which will be offered in August commercially. I will be able to start dubbing as soon as I hear from people. If anyone else is interested in the list, please let me know. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:09:46 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: TV Crushes & Significant Other Joni Haters - njc Lindsay wrote: > Okay, I'm late on the first thread but have really enjoyed it. And I'm REALLY late in responding to Lindsay's post (I'm cleaning out my email box), but ... > My TV crushes were Robert Wagner on "It Takes a Thief" (oh! those gorgeous > double-breasted blazers!), Chad Everett on "Medical Center" and Robert > Conrad on "Wild, Wild West." I forgot about those actors and shows until now but I had crushes on them too ... and wouldn't you say those men all kinda resemble each other? > My husband loves heavy metal and tries to understand Joni. Has he listened to Nazareth's cover of "This Flight Tonight"? That should rock his world! ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:26:03 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Evaluating Contributions - njc Suzanne asked about our contributions: > Anybody stop driving his or her car? Actually, yes. My car has been parked since December. Lately I've been riding my bicycle to and from work. If I can't do that for some reason, the DC area Metro trains and buses are very easy to use. On occasion I also ride my motorcycle, which uses very little gas. > Start growing their own food? I grow the majority of the vegetables my partner and I consume every spring and summer, including lettuce, asparagus, squash, cucumbers, peppers, and potatoes. My tomato plants are already nearly 5 feet tall. (This is not an exaggeration.) I don't use any chemical fertilizers, just the organic compost we amass throughout the year. Can't save the world all by myself, but I try to do my part. Lori - -- Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:29:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: is it just me???? Is it just me????... or is this funeral of Ronald Reagan like the biggest freakin' deal you've ever seen? If this were Jimmy Carter, say, who had passed, would there be this "to-do"? I think the grand scale of this was engineered by the republicans, to invoke "emotions" now before the elections. All this about Reagan "the great one" ushering in a "new day" for America and all, and its being pumped up by all this press. I recently re-read "Generation of Swine" by Hunter Thompson, and it reminded me of just how villanous that Reagan administration was! How very bad the Iran Contra clusterf__k was. I don't recall Nixon being given this royal funeral. To me Nixon isn't particularly more heinous than RR. I mean, I don't "hate" Reagan. He's someone's old-fart conservative dad for chrissakes..."farting" around with much bigger stakes though. He turned this country back republican and that doesn't make me real happy. I was just wondering if the thought had occured to anyone else, that the "pageantry" in this Reagan send off is perhaps designed to appeal to the emotions and perhaps get a vote or 2 extra for the GOP??? Kinda like W landing on that aircraft carrier...pageantry, for our "royalty". I am offended. Not that a human is receiving a funeral, but that its being twisted to cause "nostalgia" for the party that I REALLY don't want in office anymore. Anyone?? Am I full of crappola? :( Em ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:33:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: apology to the joni only folks for forgetting to put the njc my bad Em ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:45:33 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: is it just me???? njc I'm absolutely certain that you're right about this. It ought to offend genuine Reagan supporters, this blatant exploitation of a man's death for political advantage. And all these simpering op-eds planted by the GOP about how Bush has modeled himself after Reagan. It's so damn obvious it's pathetic - let's transfer to Bush the affection people feel for Reagan (which after all these years I still don't understand anyway). Anybody know the song Lazarus Come Forth, by James Keelaghan? He wrote it after the death of Nixon, when the media was trying to reclaim the guy. Seems to apply to this situation as well. At 03:29 PM 6/9/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I was just wondering if the thought had occured to anyone else, that >the "pageantry" in this Reagan send off is perhaps designed to appeal >to the emotions and perhaps get a vote or 2 extra for the GOP??? Kinda >like W landing on that aircraft carrier...pageantry, for our "royalty". >I am offended. Not that a human is receiving a funeral, but that its >being twisted to cause "nostalgia" for the party that I REALLY don't >want in office anymore. >Anyone?? Am I full of crappola? >:( >Em - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:57:54 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: is it just me???? - NJC <> gisele and i were talking about that just this morning, and get this - we couldn't remember any other presidents who had died since KENNEDY! i think that's a fair indicator of how crazy this stuff is. i have to admit i got a chuckle out of the elaborate plans that reagan was said to have made for his own funeral. i mean, i've watched alzheimers, and the people i know who really suffer from it in the advanced stages that reagan was said to have couldn't plan a trip to their kitchen, much less plan to "enter the capitol building from the west entrance to signify" blah blah blah. lori, other DC-area folks - the news is reporting about 150k people filing past the casket. have you noticed a larger-than-average number of tourists about? it seems unreal to me that people would show up in those numbers to see a box with a dead guy inside, but maybe i'm just grumpy and jaded. (quelle surprise!) revisionist history is definitely at work, too - everyone's talking about what a great president reagan was; i'm not remembering the same guy, apparently. i wish the reagan family and all those that loved him peace and great comfort and scads of happy memories, but i also wish that he'd died about 30 years earlier. i have to think almost anyone would have handled the iran contra thing and the AIDS thing better. (gosh, that sounds harsh. but i mean every bit of it.... i guess i really AM grumpy!) cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:57:38 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: brief Joni mention in new Sedaris book In "Dress Your Family in Corduroy and Denim," the new book by David Sedaris, David mentions a time when he was living as a bum in his parents' house, smoking pot and listening to the same Joni Mitchell album over and over. Finally his father kicks him out - he assumes it's because he's an unemployed, pot-smoking bum, but later finds out it was because he was gay - - and his sister agrees to let him move in with her, as long as he doesn't bring his Joni Mitchell album. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:39:46 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: is it just me???? - NJC Cindy wrote: > i wish the reagan family and all those that loved > him peace and great comfort and scads of happy > memories, but i also wish that he'd died about 30 > years earlier. i have to think almost anyone > would have handled the iran contra thing and the > AIDS thing better. (gosh, that sounds harsh. but > i mean every bit of it.... i guess i really > AM grumpy!) Why would you wish him dead sooner (and not just you - others have expressed this sentiment)? It seems a little hard-hearted to me. I'm not a fan of his politics, but wishing him an early death seems a little extreme! Wouldn't it would be better to wish that he hadn't been President? Unless of course you're saying he (and his family) would have been spared his decline into senility with Alzheimers, had he died sooner, in which case I would agree. Having watched my grandmother succumb to senile dementia I wouldn't wish it on anyone - friend or foe. Hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:48:54 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Mystic River njc Julius wrote: > Freaking Brad Pitt even, if you look at "Eleven" > which I think is by far his best work...if you > don't count "Thelma and Louis." Are you talking about Ocean's Eleven? I haven't seen that one - mainly because it stars George Clooney, who I think has as much talent as a piece of wood..... But while I was prepared to be unimpressed with Brad Pitt at first (just another pretty face....), after his performances in Seven Years in Tibet and 12 Monkeys, I changed my mind. He CAN act - and pretty damn well! I heard he was warned not to take the role in 12 Monkeys, because it might damage his "image", but he wanted to prove his versatility. It's a shame Troy has been getting such bad reviews (and not just on this list) because I think he's a better actor than the reviews would suggest. Hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:59:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mystic River njc **Are you talking about Ocean's Eleven? Or maybe Julius meant "Seven"? About the serial killer? The best thing I've seen Pitt in is "Fight Club" - really took me by surprise. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:03:56 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: TV Crushes & Significant Other Joni Haters - njc **Has he listened to Nazareth's cover of "This Flight Tonight"? That should rock his world! ; ) And some of the Euro speed/death metal guys even make the Nazareth cover sound soft! Here's a crunchy guitar cover of TFT from a Czech band: http://www.claudia.vodnany.cz/nove/claudia07.htm (play the one closest to the bottom of the screen, it's full-length) And there are other rockin' Joni covers to be sure, which can be dangerous on a compilation as they tend to melt the cheese and create a real mess. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:16:35 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: troy njc > shameless queen. > > > > while the rest had to learn to be shameless. good for you, dear wally - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:10:51 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Joni Videos, Celebration at Big Sur BeatleDoug, Were you on the JMDL a few years ago for awhile? My memory of that "Celebration at Big Sur" is that none of the songs is complete. None of Joni's and none of CSN. I think filmmakers have to have one kind of clearance/permission to excerpt a song, another kind of clearance/permission to include an entire song, and yet another kind of clearance/permission to put a song on an audio-only soundtrack recording. It was more of a documentary without a budget than a feature film, so, no permissions. All the best, Jim From: Doug Boudreau >Yes Yes Brian. I too am interested in any Joni videos as well. I have Woman of H @ M and Shadows @ Light. Was there a video for the Miles of Isles album ?? I'm also interested in the BBC Joni sings Joni program. Was she at the live at Big Sur show (I believe it was in '70)?> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:11:46 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni Video Offer: REFUGE OF THE ROADS & COME IN FROM THE COLD There are at least 3 videos absent from your list of videos: "Painting With Words and Music", "Come In From the Cold" and "Refuge Of the Roads". "Painting With Words and Music", is currently available for purchase on VHS & DVD. My favorite among Joni's drummers has to be Brian Blade who appears on the PWWaM video. I think he's very smart, using a light touch in places where most "drummers" wouldn't go at all. He adds textures that are normally supplied by a "percussionist" in bigger rock bands. The other two are both out of print so I'll dub them in stereo, onto a (full) 2-hour VHS tape for anyone in the US who sends me a blank VHS tape and return postage. For those outside the US, we can work something out. So, contact me off-list at jlamadoo@fuse.net if you want to see the videos of "Sweet Bird" and "Dancin' Clown", a dynamite performace of "For Free", and more. She also tells the back story of "Speechless" which became a bonus track on "The Complete Geffen Recordings". All the best, Jim From: Doug Boudreau >Yes Yes Brian. I too am interested in any Joni videos as well. I have Woman of H @ M and Shadows @ Light. Was there a video for the Miles of Isles album ?? I'm also interested in the BBC Joni sings Joni program. Was she at the live at Big Sur show (I believe it was in '70)?> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:23:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: is it just me???? njc --- Em wrote: > Is it just me????... or is this funeral of Ronald > Reagan like the > biggest freakin' deal you've ever seen? > If this were Jimmy Carter, say, who had passed, > would there be this > "to-do"? > I think the grand scale of this was engineered by > the republicans, to > invoke "emotions" now before the elections. All this > about Reagan "the > great one" ushering in a "new day" for America and > all, and its being > pumped up by all this press. Funny you should mention this, Em. I don't remember this happening with any other ex-presidents either, but then, how many have died recently? I have a vague recollection of JFK's funeral but that was a long time ago and TV was pretty primitive compared to today, with live satellite feeds from anywhere in the world. It wouldn't have occurred to me that it could be engineered by the Republicans, but then again, I'm an alien, so what would I know? A funeral that goes on for a week is a bit much, IMO, even if it had been the current president that died. It does occur to me, though, that it might be an oddball symptom of some of the weirdness going on in the world. We seem to be a society (at least in the US and, because of its influence, in Canada as well) that wants to make a big production out of everything. I haven't been watching TV, because I just don't watch a lot of TV anyway, but do they have a theme song for this and a special logo and all that like they seem to have for everything these days? I also wonder if all this production isn't also a bit of self-aggrandizement on the part of the show-biz folks themselves, to get themselves in the limelight while they dissect every part of this man's life and death ad nauseum, while showing off their clothes, their hairstyles, their too-white teeht, and get their "messaging" out there, so they can nominate themselves for awards and prizes and so on? That's my cynicism with media of all kinds showing, but hey! the death of a former prez - news bites and photo ops! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:27:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: is it just me???? - NJC --- Cynthia Vickery wrote: it > seems unreal to > me that people would show up in those numbers to see > a box with a > dead guy inside, but maybe i'm just grumpy and > jaded. This is about the funniest thing I've read in a long time. I was drinking a cup of tea and just about lost it all over my keyboard. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:31:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Mystic River njc --- hell@ihug.co.nz wrote: > Julius wrote: > > > Freaking Brad Pitt even, if you look at "Eleven" > > which I think is by far his best work...if you > > don't count "Thelma and Louis." > > Are you talking about Ocean's Eleven? I haven't > seen that > one - mainly because it stars George Clooney, who I > think > has as much talent as a piece of wood..... > Ocean's Eleven. We rented that once. I fell asleep about five minutes into it. I think Brad Pitt can act too, though, and it never ceases to amaze me, because I never expect him to do much but look pretty. How sad - - being prejudiced against people for being too good-looking, LOL. If they do another Pinocchio, maybe they can get George Clooney for the lead. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:32:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: is it just me???? njc Catherine said "It does occur to me, though, that it might be an oddball symptom of some of the weirdness going on in the world. We seem to be a society (at least in the US and, because of its influence, in Canada as well) that wants to make a big production out of everything." I feel like we are mining for emotion, digging deep - looking for something, ANYTHING that draws a tear, or makes us feel. One symptom of this is born out, I think, in all these REMAKES of old movies. We know there is impact, so we "play it again". I'm surprised a huge portion of the pop. doesn't have hairy palms or hasn't gone blind. :/ Em ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:46:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: is it just me???? njc --- Em wrote: > Catherine said > "It does occur to me, though, that it might be an > oddball symptom of some of the weirdness going on in > the world. We seem to be a society (at least in the > US > and, because of its influence, in Canada as well) > that > wants to make a big production out of everything." > > I feel like we are mining for emotion, digging deep > - looking for > something, ANYTHING that draws a tear, or makes us > feel. > One symptom of this is born out, I think, in all > these REMAKES of old > movies. We know there is impact, so we "play it > again". > I'm surprised a huge portion of the pop. doesn't > have hairy palms or > hasn't gone blind. > :/ > Em > Exactly! It's like, we don't have REAL emotion, so let's make a big show of it and possibly convince others (and even ourselves) that we do. We make a big deal out of everything. Look at how ridiculous the whole wedding industry has become. It used to be that a couple of people would get married, have a lunch or whatever for their friends and family, go off to some place like Niagara Falls for a weekend and that would be it. Now it's a big frikkin' deal - like you have to prove your love for each other by saying, "HEY!HEY! look at ME!" to the world. It seems the bigger the ceremony, the less time the marriage lasts. And so-called reality TV, where people are vying for the attention of some fake millionaire or to get a date with or marry some gorgeous chick (who previously was on a show to get an extreme makeover, before when she was ordinary-looking, read ugly, read undesirable), discussing their "feelings" on TV in front of millions of strangers. And the Idol shows, where the ones who win are the ones who emote and shriek the most (she shrieks, therefore she feels). And yep, the fake emotion, the going for the gut, the overdoing of the tears (of happiness or sorrow - laughing and crying, y'know, it's the same release). This whole lunacy was part of why I just stopped watching TV ages ago (except for the Simpsons, LOL). There's nothing REAL about all this so-called reality - - it's just a lot of, "Hey folks! Look at me! Aren't I clever? Aren't I pretty! Pick ME!" It's enough to make me want to join one of those convents where you don't talk to anyone ever. Or better yet, become a hermit, because then I wouldn't have to live with other people (because maybe they'd be smarter and prettier than me.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #257 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)