From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #242 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, May 27 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 242 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: decadence,NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni in Saskatoon, njc really ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: New compilation CD [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: New compilation CD [Randy Remote ] Today's Library Links: May 27 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Ralph McTell question NJC [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Maggie McNally is coming to London!!!(NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] kd Lang, jc..now NJC ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: New compilation CD [Catherine McKay ] Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC [Susan Guzzi ] Re: New compilation CD/ HOSL demo? [Em ] The Palace Amusements to be torn down in Asbury Park(njc) [RoseMJoy@aol.c] Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC [Em ] Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Merman,NJC [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: New compilation CD / geffen box ["Ron" ] Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC ["Ron" ] Re: New compilation CD / geffen box [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC/Ethel(s) subjective and weepy [Em ] Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC/Ethel(s) subjective and weepy [Smurfycopy@aol.co] re: THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL ["c Karma" ] Re: TV crushes (NJC) [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: TV crushes (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC/Ethel(s) subjective and weepy [Em ] RE: Merman,NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: TV crushes (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:33:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: decadence,NJC **Speaking of auditory things, have you heard Led Zep's song, The Crunge? Love it...It's their take on James Brown. "Somebody take me to the bridge...where's that confounded bridge?" That whole record (Houses Of The Holy) is just so awesome. Bob NP: The Butterfield Blues Band, "Born In Chicago" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:37:19 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC **or ummm wonder if any one in this trio has ever even experienced an orgasm - - if they did I'd bet no one who was a witness or present could testify to that!** I looked on their website - no mention of orgasms (maybe the closest they get is when they look in the mirror?), and certainly no eargasms on the disc either. I felt like such a frickin moron buying this CD, thank GOD none of my pals walked in the Circuit City, that would have been just my luck! Bob NP: The Beatles, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:38:44 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni in Saskatoon, njc really "... and her mother's 40 scrapbooks..." Wooooow. Hey Sherelle, I betcha FOJ gave Mrs. Anderson our posts. Maybe they're enshrined in a manilla folder. Sincerly, Jim L'Hommedieu Covington, KY US ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:41:46 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Free Joni covers Mania! Also stumbled on these covers today - enjoy! Volume # 53 is right around the corner... http://ryanw.dmusic.com/ (People's Parties) http://stars.wustl.edu/~gwilliams/ (A Case Of You) http://www.oel-uno.dk/download.htm (A Case of You) They're all pretty darn good too - sweet! (If somebody can figure out how to capture that first one so it can be burned I would be most grateful!) Bob NP: The Small Faces "Happiness Stan" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:44:26 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: New compilation CD **I'm not sure what this is about - I know Joni wants her work to be heard but I'm not sure I get it. Maybe it's to help sell the Geffen box set or for those who missed Misses. Damn, and I was just cracking a damn joke earlier about her re-re-releasing this stuff...what's up with this? Bob, totally perplexed! NP: Janis, "Down On Me" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:44:25 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: kd Lang, 49th parallel, now njc So when is this new k.d. cd coming out already? I'm going to The Hollywood Bowl, to see her with the L.A. Symphony, with special guest Rufus Wainwright... When's her new cd coming out? >Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 06:46:45 -0400 >From: "Marianne Rizzo" >Subject: kd Lang, 49th parallel, now njc > >> > "New Hymms fo the 49th parallel. . . The 49th >> > parallel has something to do >> > with longitude/latitude and a place in Canada, I > > > thiink. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:49:56 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: kd Lang, 49th parallel, now njc **When's her new cd coming out? July 27 - you still have a bit of a wait. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:25:17 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Alternative MINGUS tracks, our story to date, 100% JC Everyone probably already knows this but maybe some new folks like Em don't, and young folks like Dylan, so here goes. Like a Steely Dan album, the MINGUS tracks were recorded by several groups before Joni decided which ones to release. Here are a few paragraphs from an interview with Leonard Feather of downbeat magazine in the Sept 6th, 1979 issue. - ------------- Feather: You mentioned that on some of the numbers, there were several different versions that had to be left out of the final album, that included a lot of interesting people such as Phil Woods, Gerry Mulligan, etc. How did that coem about, and is there any possibility that those outtakes might eventually be used in some other context? Mitchell: They're in the can. If you laid them out and said, okay, here's four version of the same song, let's choose which one we like the best, you would find some people liked one version better than another and that on one would really agree. So, it came down to my decisionand to my direction. Charles and I differed musically; we shared things but differed in some ways. He had an aversion to electrical instruments [that's the way it appears], and was very much a purist. And while I'm basically an acoustic player so I understand that, I I never was prejudiced against electric instruments; I just don't have any mechanical aptitude. There are too many knobs for me, so I revert back to the simpler form. I know I'm sidestepping your question. Feather: What I'm curious about is, did you make several versions just because you weren't satisfied with each one in turn, or you just wanted to experiment with different ways of approaching the same material? Mitchell: Both of those things are true. The first sessions Charles was present at they were with Jeremy Lubbock, Don Alias, Gerry Mulligan; Stanley Clarke played at one of them. The groove was more there, it was closer to what Charlie wanted, they swung more, and Charlie was a stickler for them to swing. So in some ways they were stronger in that area. Alias is a great drummer; he can really play anything great. So they had a beautiful character to them. In some ways you could even say that I sang better, because the time was so solid. But something happened, something was missing, to me, they could have been cut 20 years ago; they didn't contain something that we know now. And it was so abstract, and since I don't have the language, and owing to a sense of feminine inferiority that comes on me every once in a while when I'm in a position of leading men - every once in a while I get that, coupled with inferiority and illiteracy, you can understand that there can appear a complex from time to time. Especially when I'm looking for something that I can't articulate. There's an abstraction there. So I just kept cutting them over and over with different personnel and when we finally did these things that night, I realized what it was I was looking for - an integral relationship with the band where the band wasn't coupling up into a bass player and a drummer playing off each other, trading licks. That can happen in the best of bands, you know, where cliques develop internally within the band and people are playing for each other's pleasure, and the vocalist, while they are a leader of sorts, is kind of apart from what's going on behind them. I didn't want this to happen, and on these dates I have here, they yanked the downbeat out from underneath me, so that suddenly the thing would be floating and I would be out there all alone - like hang gliding! Especially Shorter - from playing with Miles, I guess - plays so beautifully, not off of a high linear line, not just matching tones, but he plays so brilliantly off of lyrics, because he has such a pictorial mind that he is talking. He's such a metaphorical player. I love the way he related to me. He especially made me feel like an integral band member. So we all seemed to be one organism on this music. I think that's quite unique, even among the great jazz vocalists. They tend to be fronting a track; whereas in this music, we're all mimicking each other, we're shading the tail end of a phrase the way a tone... the tone has breath, people play breathy, even the percussion instruments seem to become breathy. If you look at it you'll see how entwined we are, and that, I thought, was a beautiful accomplishment and something special. Feather: I got some of that feeling on my first listen; but I want to listen again. I don't know how many people listening for the first time will get the full impact. Mitchell: I don't think so; I don't think you can. I've listened to it so many times, I've gone through so many changes about it, it's like quicksilver. It's very dependent on the mood you're in. It'll change on you like a chameleon. It requires many listenings, like good poetry; I think all good art has that quality. It just doesn't stand still, there's nothing static about it. Feather: What do you expect from the album in terms of popular public reaction? Do you think it's commercial - not that that's the objective; but how commercial do you expect it to be? Mitchell: I dare not have any expectations. If I have them, I probably would be disappointed, because I'm very pleased with it. So if I have any expectations, or hope, it would be that people would find it accessible. I think it is, but I know how intimidating great musicianship is to a lot of people; it can awe people and make them feel excluded rather than included; I hope that doesn't happen. I'm talking about within the context of the pop field, not within the context of the jazz idiom at all. I would be surprised if it wasn't well accepted in the jazz world, because it contains all the best elements of that music. It's very spontaneous, creative and fresh. In the pop circles, I have no idea what will happen. I think a lot of it will be helped by just the fact that it's a Joni Mitchell album. Some of the millions of people who have bought your other albums will be a little more open-eared about it than they might normally be, just because it's you. Here's the thing that I intuitively felt. The earlier sessions, while they were more straight ahead in the idiom, people in the pop field were more barricaded to that than they are to this, in that it was so idiomatic, it was blanket jazz to them. Whereas this is something else; you can't really say it's jazz or pop Feather: It doesn't need to be classified... Mitchell: It's not an obviously classified sound, and that will give it a greater chance to be explored. I think by the very nature of the fact that we're indicating everything rather than stating it completely, you'd think that would make it less accessible, but I think in a way it makes it more accessible. Feather: Do you have a title for the album yet? I have so many titles. Today it's called A Chair In The Sky. Although Sue objected to that title at one point and she had good reason for it, in that she didn't want Charles to be remembered as an invalid. But somehow that title seems to suit it the best. It has a lot of meanings for me - I first met Charles up in a Manhattan skyscraper in this chair, and he was a very commanding figure, because he just swallowed the chair up; it was like he was enthroned, very regal. I never looked at him so much like an invalid; it seemed like a regal position. Charles saw a great importance in titling well, especially for non-lyrical music. He felt that that was where you got a chance to make your statement. As a matter of fact, on the projects, that's what he always asked me first: "What's the title of the song?" I always loved the Hissing Of Summer Lawns title, but it was too oblique for most people. Take an afternoon like today when everybody has their sprinklers runningthats what it was about. - ------------- Les has preserved the entire article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=95 Folks who haven't discovered MINGUS yet, may want to read the full downbeat review at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/downbeat79.html Neil Tesser gave it ***** out of 5 possible. Since Joni seems to be psyched to do sequels, I'd like to see an expanded MINGUS 2-disc set. It would be the original set on Disc 1, and a loosely edited collection on a second disc. She could put some video on the second disc while she's at it. Sincerely, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:32:12 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: "Songs of a Prairie Girl" 100% JC It think a new compilation should have a new verse for a familiar song: "Songs to aging ingrates come, Aging ingrates / I am one." Jim --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: >> This idea of putting old wine in a new cask has lots >> of potential for abuse. What if we see this? >> On tap for 2010: Songs For Completists >> >> I guess I seem ungrateful... Catherine McKay said, >And for you, something special: Songs for Ingrates.> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:20:20 -0700 From: "Brian Hernandez" Subject: Burning Bush Library (NJC) A friend sent this to me and I had to share...it gave me a good laugh! Did you hear about the recent tragedy in Washington DC? Yes, the Presidential Library burned down. It has been especially difficult for President Bush. Not only did both books burn...but, most upsetting of all, he had not finished colouring the second one. [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:41:25 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC Catherine McKay wrote: > --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > Speaking of covers - I picked up the new Wilson > > Phillips "California" today, > > Is that Neil Young's "Old Man"? How is that a > California song? Isn't it about his dad? He wrote it about the grizzled caretaker of his N. Cal ranch. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 00:44:55 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: New compilation CD I don't know, I'm starting to think Joni is a little nuts. Maybe she really needs to create product but doesn't have the ability to write or the voice to sing any more, so she's doing reruns. Anyway, I think the re-re-release of this stuff has gone one step over the line. This could be the first Joni product I don't buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:42:39 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: New compilation CD BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > Mitchell, who co-produced the collection, also contributes her original artwork and a revealing and instructive essay. In addition, the package includes complete lyrics and a copy of the famous 1852 Letter to the President > from Chief Seattle, a philosophical cornerstone of the environmental movement. Oy. There is no record that such a letter ever existed. It is variously dated either 1852 or 1855, and, were it genuine, would almost certainly have been recorded in the national archives. There is no record of it there, or among President Pierces' papers. It is a pretty environmental essay, anyway, apparently drawn from the 1971 writings of a film scriptwriter's fanciful idea of what Chief Seattle might have said in a letter to President Pierce. Washington's State Librarian said: The makers of the film took a little literary license, further changing the speech and making it into a letter to President Franklin Pierce, which has been frequently reprinted. No such letter was ever written by or for Chief Seattle. http://www.synaptic.bc.ca/ejournal/wslibrry.htm http://www.wildsnow.com/articles/chief_seattle/chief_seattle.html The Geffen box marked the first time since Blue that I did not buy a Joni product immediately upon it's release. This compilation, from her weakest period musically, will be the second. It's a shame that they are doing this. A well thought out box set now could give Joni the recognition she so rightly deserves. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 02:17:34 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: May 27 On May 27 the following article was published: 2000: "Joni's New Side Now" - Washington Post (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=517 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 05:54:23 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Ralph McTell question NJC In a message dated 27/05/2004 03:16:36 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > Hi Em > > Martin from London here. I mostly lurk, but your mention of 'some live > album' of Ralph McTell's had me wondering. More than 20 years ago I had > 'Ralph, Albert and Sydney' on vinyl which I dearly loved. I leant it to > someone, and in time honoured tradition, never got it back :( Is this the > one you have? (Not THE one, I'm not accusing you of theft!!) > > There were a whole bunch of wonderful songs on there. There was a funny > ragtime-like tune about trying to conduct a relationship properly, 'Sweet > Little Mystery'? > > 'One of these days I'll do it right; > Get to her door and just say goodnight. > Even if she begs me to come in, > I'll make myself say no, so I can call again.' > > And a beautiful waltz called 'The Grand Affair.' > > 'Remember the Moon on the wall, didn't she shine? > The taste of the sheets and the feel of the wine...' > > The 'Zimmerman Blues' was also on there, but I'm afraid I have no idea > whether it was a Dylan reference. At the time I didn't even know that Mr. > Dylan's real name was Zimmerman, so the song was a bit of an enigma to me. > > I have been looking for the album for years (when I remember), and wonder > whether it's available on CD now. > I still have that album on vinyl (my own copy, honest!) along with just about every other album he ever made. I've just checked the web-site and Ralph, Albert and Sidney is listed as being available on CD. You can order it from the site, Martin. Sweet Mystery and Grande Affaire are lovely songs. I always liked Maginot Waltz which has just a little flavour of "Franks Song" I reckon - well it's a war song, at least! "Easy" was another excellent Ralph album. Don't know if you've heard "Ferryman" a song based on Herman Hesse's Sidharta, but that's another one worth listening to. Best wishes Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 05:59:41 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Maggie McNally is coming to London!!!(NJC) In a message dated 26/05/2004 08:06:19 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > From: "Ross, Les" > > > Maggie and Alex are in London in June. A get together is suggested for > Friday 18th. > I hate to miss another JMDL bash but I shan't be around then. I shall be watching the football in Portugal! Have fun. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 06:30:52 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: kd Lang, jc..now NJC wait a minute. . . I thought we were discussing music . . . and suddenly this talk turns to "sexual content." Ms. Guzzi, Please remember the "sc" tag from here on in. and Bob, responding to her post just reinforces her behavior. (she does not need encouragement) Marianne - ----Original Message Follows---- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com To: groovchacha@yahoo.com, emzdogz@yahoo.com, AzeemAK@aol.com, treegreen1@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:37:19 EDT **or ummm wonder if any one in this trio has ever even experienced an orgasm - - if they did I'd bet no one who was a witness or present could testify to that!** I looked on their website - no mention of orgasms (maybe the closest they get is when they look in the mirror?), and certainly no eargasms on the disc either. I felt like such a frickin moron buying this CD, thank GOD none of my pals walked in the Circuit City, that would have been just my luck! Bob NP: The Beatles, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" _________________________________________________________________ Get 200+ ad-free, high-fidelity stations and LIVE Major League Baseball Gameday Audio! http://radio.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200491ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 06:40:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I felt like such a frickin moron buying this > CD, thank GOD none of my pals > walked in the Circuit City, that would have been > just my luck! > Practice this: "I was buying it for my, uh, niece." Now again, without the "uh". ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 06:55:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: New compilation CD --- BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > I don't know, I'm starting to think Joni is a little > nuts. Maybe she really > needs to create product but doesn't have the ability > to write or the voice to > sing any more, so she's doing reruns. Anyway, I > think the re-re-release of this > stuff has gone one step over the line. This could be > the first Joni product I > don't buy. At amazon.com the Geffen box is $59.98 US. At amazon.ca it's now $189.99 CDN. It used to be about $74-79 CDN, which would be in line with the price in the US. I didn't have the money at the time and even at that, thought it was a bit steep. If I were to buy it from the US, I would have to pay exchange (about 30% I think it is now, more or less) plus duty, probably GST as well (even on something I didn't buy in Canada), so it would probably end up costing about $100 CDN. I realize Joni doesn't control this and have no idea what amazon is up to (they dobut it is one more reason why I absolutely WILL NOT buy the Geffen set. If they do re-re-release this stuff, I think you can guess how excited I will be. Not. If they were to release the Mingus alternate recordings, I WOULD be interested in that. If they were to release a boxed set with previously unrecorded material (stuff that has been treed here), I would buy that too, even if I do have a lot of the treed stuff. I am pissed off. They may be thinking alt Mingus and early previously unrecorded wouldn't sell. What makes them think recycling stuff that has recently already been recycled is going to sell? It doesn't make any sense to me. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 05:03:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC uhh ummm errrrr I was trying to draw a comparison between their inability to express vocally - which signifies to me - inhibition - and their lack of .. well ummm - ok nevermind - hands sufficiently slapped. (scowl) .... you know all this talk about lovemaking music and voices and words and music just gets me in that kind of mood. BTW since I have all your attention - see? I mentioned sex and heads perked up .... um there was a mention here of Christine McVie's Songbird recently. I love Christine, kind of a shame she was pushed to the background with Stevie Nicks seemingly always in the spotlight - who I also love. I like Christine's bluesier voice and think she is a fine song writer. That said .... I much prefer Eva Cassidy's version of Songbird - its much more emotional and feeling and happens to my girlfriend and I's "song." - We had both heard the original before. But you know ... if this is okay Sister Marianne .. when a song happens at the exact "right time" - it's your song .. if you get my drift. Shhhh careful the rest of you, the celibate and chaste Sister Marianne may be lurking about! LOL! And as for k.d. - she is here in Chicago this summer - singing with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra .... actually a suburban outdoor arena - Ravinia. Not sure of the dates - or I forgot cause I cant go. But its a beautiful place and also happnes to be the venue I saw Joni on her Miles of Aisles tour. And hell we all know that was just a few years ago! Damn is it really almost (gulp) 30 years!? Ok going now ... Peace, Susan Marianne Rizzo wrote: wait a minute. . . I thought we were discussing music . . . and suddenly this talk turns to "sexual content." Ms. Guzzi, Please remember the "sc" tag from here on in. and Bob, responding to her post just reinforces her behavior. (she does not need encouragement) Marianne - ----Original Message Follows---- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com To: groovchacha@yahoo.com, emzdogz@yahoo.com, AzeemAK@aol.com, treegreen1@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:37:19 EDT **or ummm wonder if any one in this trio has ever even experienced an orgasm - - if they did I'd bet no one who was a witness or present could testify to that!** I looked on their website - no mention of orgasms (maybe the closest they get is when they look in the mirror?), and certainly no eargasms on the disc either. I felt like such a frickin moron buying this CD, thank GOD none of my pals walked in the Circuit City, that would have been just my luck! Bob NP: The Beatles, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" _________________________________________________________________ Get 200+ ad-free, high-fidelity stations and LIVE Major League Baseball Gameday Audio! http://radio.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200491ave/direct/01/ Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 06:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: New compilation CD/ HOSL demo? Catherine wrote: > They may be thinking alt Mingus and > early previously unrecorded wouldn't sell. What makes > them think recycling stuff that has recently already > been recycled is going to sell? It doesn't make any > sense to me. so, along these lines, I wanted to ask..where can a person get the HOSL demo I keep hearing about? I am very much wanting to hear that version of "Dreamland". :) thx... Jinger (aka em) ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:23:44 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: The Palace Amusements to be torn down in Asbury Park(njc) Sad day in rock history.....Despite our efforts, it looks like we lost the fight. They already demolished the Carousel House, the oldest portion (circa 1888) yesterday morning at 7:00am. They will chisel out the Tillie faces before they tear down the rest...bottom line, if you want to see Tillie, you better hurry! don't it always seem to go...... [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/x-art which had a name of carousel.art] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 06:40:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC - --- Randy Remote wrote: Catherine wrote: > > Is that Neil Young's "Old Man"? How is that a > > California song? Isn't it about his dad? > > He wrote it about the grizzled caretaker of his N. Cal ranch. Amazing what additional emotional impact it has, that kick in the gut quality, when you transfer the meaning to a father-son thing. Maybe cuz so many father-son relationships back then were so BAD. Christ it seems all my guy friends used to fight so very badly with their fathers, over long hair, other political issues, etc. Heartbreaking. And then regretted it for so long, never patched it up really, or did - but by then it was too late or whatever. Anyway, I'll have to give a listen thinking its the caretaker like you say Randy - instead of his bio-father. Interesting. Can't EVEN imagine Wilson-Philips, the queens of valley girl shallow, taking this on. Maybe they'll try "Needle and the Damage Done" next. sheesh..... its like a joke..like one of those albums of William Shatner covering stuff.. lol, gotta laugh.. Em (oops Jinger) <> And just to complete this circle game, this song is part of my Ethel Merman repetoire, and is one of Paz's favorites! I never assumed "Old Man" was about a father and son, by the way. I did, however, think Cat Stevens' "Father and Son" was about a father and son. XO, - --Smurf NPIMH: I CAUGHT 'CHA KNOCKIN' AT MY CELLAR DOOR . . . "Everywhere I turn, I find that a poet has been there before me." --Sigmund Freud ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:18:45 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Merman,NJC With all this Merman talk it may be time again to tree The Ethel Merman Disco Album, One for the Boys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quoting Smurfycopy@aol.com: > Jing writes: > > << Maybe they'll try "Needle and the Damage Done" next. sheesh..... >> > > > And just to complete this circle game, this song is part of my Ethel > Merman > repetoire, and is one of Paz's favorites! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:59:09 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: New compilation CD / geffen box hi >>>catherine wrote > At amazon.com the Geffen box is $59.98 US. At................If I were to buy it from the US, I would have to pay exchange (about 30% I think it is now, more or less) plus duty, probably GST as well (even on something I didn't buy in Canada), so it would probably end up i generally buy from village records, who offer the (illegal) perk of not only underdeclaring the value of the parcel, but also mark it as a gift. the result - i save the around 30% duty, plus 14% vat which we pay on imports :-) &btw - they do have the geffen box set there for $59.99. not that i ever plan to buy it unless hell sends me the money when she wins the lotto to pay for her trip to jonifest............. ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:10:16 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC hi >>>>>bob wrote >I felt like such a frickin moron buying this CD, thank GOD none of my pals walked in the Circuit City, that would have been just my luck! mmmm - these covers can put you in really awkward situations. like when my boss' secretary is all happy & enthusiastic about phillip moolmans music when it actually really really sucks & the only reason i copied it is to humour this guy in america with the worlds biggest collection of cheesy both sides now covers & i dont want to tell her my opinion of the music 'cause i just know shes gonna take it personally & get upset but i just cant generate ay words of enthusiam about the music in question............................ & to top it all off ive now lost the cd copy & have to go through the whole process again so i can get it in the post to you :-) ron np - weather report - 8.30 (hey - some cool bass on this one..................) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:15:17 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: New compilation CD / geffen box I won't be purchasing the new compilation, and I did wait to buy the Geffen box set a long while. How many reissues do we have to get? But I will say that the remaster of the Geffen box set did make the purchase worth while. And I sold the originals (if you can can HDCD's originals) on Ebay and recouped some of the cost. Skeptical Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 08:32:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC/Ethel(s) subjective and weepy - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Jing writes: > > << Maybe they'll try "Needle and the Damage Done" next. sheesh..... > And just to complete this circle game, this song is part of my Ethel > Merman > repetoire, and is one of Paz's favorites! No way man! toooooo weird! I do love twistedness, Smurf. And that is very twisted I think. So twisted its almost "spun". > I never assumed "Old Man" was about a father and son, by the way. I guess I always did, because it hit (still hits) pretty close to the bone for me with my Dad. (tho a father-daughter relationship rather than "son" - although I am "son-like" in many ways) The "I'm alot like you" even though so very diff in many ways..and then saying "doesn't mean that much to me to mean that much to you" and how a kid's having that attitude (which I CERTAINLY had IN SPADES back then), must have really hurt him, and I wish now I COULD be more like him than I am like myself, sometimes, in many many ways. I tell him now and things are real good. So I guess that tune continues to have that (incorrect) meaning for me. It has, at times (PMS?) brought me to tears. god whatta wimp.. > I > did, > however, think Cat Stevens' "Father and Son" was about a father and > son. yeah, I see that clearly. :) Jing < Subject: THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL Finally, a compilation set with teeth! Too bad it's limited to the Geffen releases only. I'm sure that there's plenty more in the canon that would fit the concept, i.e., "Banquet", "Otis and Marlena." Congratulations too, to Joni for including the Chief Seattle letter from 1852. It's one of the most powerful and eloquent pieces ever written about the conflict between the abuse of power and the spirit of nature. When this list was discussing the recent Grammy nominations, I wrote that I thought that the T'Log arrangement of "Woodstock" was the only recorded piece I could think of that linked Chief Seattle (this letter) and Lyndon Johnson (escalation in Vietnam). Who says Joni isn't writing? If she co-produced this set as stated, she's still working harder than ever. This is a volume of short stories compiled to devastating effect. Apart from some of the eerily prescient poetry, the sensibility in distilling her body work to support so worthy a concept in this election year may yet qualify her a prophet. CC "Hoping and hoping as if by my weak faith, the spirit of this world would heal and rise." -- JM (by Yeates) _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with the new version of MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:45:19 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC/Ethel(s) subjective and weepy Jinger writes: << can you do Ethel ROSENBERG??? huh? can ya?? >> My pal Julius Mills and I do a killer imitation of the star-crossed Rosenbergs. Our performance has been called "electrifying." And Alison Einerson, who has apparently abandoned this list, does a very mean Roy Cohn -- when she's not too busy watching her mother! As for Ethel Mertz, sigh . . . What a pal, huh? Just the kind of person one needs when an overwhelming urge to steal John Wayne's cement footprints hits. - --Smurf "Everywhere I turn, I find that a poet has been there before me." --Sigmund Freud ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:51:11 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL Sorry folks, That should have read, "distilling her BODY OF WORK." Personally, I've always thought the HOSL vintage of Joni's BODY WORK was particularly good. Sheepishly, CC _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:54:54 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: TV crushes (NJC) Lovely Lieve writes: << a very serious simultaneous crush on Bonanza's Little Joe and Adam >> My friend Harriet, now deceased, and her best friend Cyndi -- with whom Jody and Scott "TG" Johnson and I had Easter dinner last month -- used to kiss the TV screen when Little Joe came on. (The man Cyndi eventually married, by the way, is named Joe.) Didn't anyone desire Hoss? Wally? There's a bear for ya! Lieve also admits to: << Donald Sutherland (he's just so huge and mawkish and sexy) >> I read a review of a Sutherland performance in the 70s and the reviewer said that he looked like an erect penis. Now, 25 or 30 years later, I still can't get that image out of my head whenever I see him. XO, Lieve! - --Smurf "Everywhere I turn, I find that a poet has been there before me." --Sigmund Freud ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:59:47 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC **& to top it all off ive now lost the cd copy & have to go through the whole process again so i can get it in the post to you :-) Oh well Ron - we must suffer for our art, right? I don't even want to begin telling you some the insane extreme things I've done to track down some of these covers, even the cheesy ones. Bob NP: The Doors, "Love Me Two Times" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:05:39 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: TV crushes (NJC) **Didn't anyone desire Hoss? Wally? There's a bear for ya! LOL! And what about Lorne Green? At least he never recorded a BSN to go with his "Ringo" hit. Don't forget about Hop Sing as well if you're really into that kinky Chinese torture sh*t. Bob NP: The Shadows of Knight, "Light Bulb Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:06:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC/Ethel(s) subjective and weepy - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > My pal Julius Mills and I do a killer imitation of the star-crossed > Rosenbergs. Our performance has been called "electrifying." And > Alison Einerson, who > has apparently abandoned this list, does a very mean Roy Cohn -- when > she's not > too busy watching her mother! wow! :) > > As for Ethel Mertz, sigh . . . What a pal, huh? Just the kind of > person one > needs when an overwhelming urge to steal John Wayne's cement > footprints hits. yeah for real. Now I'm thinking as a young child (you all were talking about seeing her on Ed Sullivan) I used to confuse Ethel Mertz with Ethel Merman... and Ethel Mertz (in VV's later days in that role) indeed looked like my grandmother. hmm so strange to think about - its ancient history already. Guess I better get some work done... jing < Subject: Re: TV crushes (NJC) - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > I read a review of a Sutherland performance in the 70s and the > reviewer said > that he looked like an erect penis. Now, 25 or 30 years later, I > still can't > get that image out of my head whenever I see him. poor Donald Sutherland... the image I can't get out of my head is also an ugly-ish one (sorry guys) ummm, from that Italian flick of sheesh 20-25 years ago he was in called "1900" (I love the movie). He's swinging this kid around and around and smashes his head into a mantlepiece, killing him. Its been years so I don't remember the rest - but, an unattractive scene. Gorgeous flick tho. Em oops, Jinger ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:29:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Merman,NJC ooooooooooh i would so very extraordinarily much LOVE to have that one!!!!!!! merman and disco. what else could a boy ever want? *W* > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > notaro@stpt.usf.edu > Enviado el: Jueves, 27 de Mayo de 2004 11:19 a.m. > Para: Smurfycopy@aol.com > CC: emzdogz@yahoo.com; guitarzan@direcpc.com; anima_rising@yahoo.ca; > joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Merman,NJC > > > With all this Merman talk it may be time again to tree The Ethel > Merman Disco > Album, One for the Boys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:33:24 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: TV crushes (NJC) oh no! too gay for my taste! *W*, who loves only murphy, who quotes father sigmund! > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Smurfycopy@aol.com > Enviado el: Jueves, 27 de Mayo de 2004 12:55 p.m. > Para: ReckersL@ebrd.com; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: TV crushes (NJC) > > > > > Didn't anyone desire Hoss? Wally? There's a bear for ya! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #242 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)