From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #241 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 26 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 241 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: Thelonious Monk, njc [Garret ] Re: decadence, NJC [colin ] Re: "J" babies -- NJC, really [colin ] Re: Free Janis Ian tickets in Charlotte NJC [colin ] kd Lang, 49th parallel, now njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Ralph McTell question NJC [Em ] Re: Ralph McTell question NJC [Em ] Joni Covers vol 31-40 ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Ralph McTell question NJC [Em ] Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas - My First (sigh) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas - My First (sigh) [Em ] see Ralph McTell turn into Ethel Merman -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: see Ralph McTell turn into Ethel Merman -- NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Mrs. Mitchell's 40 scrapbooks ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: Maggie McNally is coming to London!!! [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi] Re: Joni in Saskatoon [M C ] words, words, words [Dflahm@aol.com] Offer Closed: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 31-40 of JM Covers [Do] Re: kd Lang, 49th parallel, now njc [Lori Fye ] Re: woo hoo and coyote too ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas ["Kate Bennett" ] Re:now ethel was Ralph McTell question NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Ralph McTell question NJC ["Martin Giles" ] Re: words, words, words [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re:now ethel was Ralph McTell question NJC [Susan Guzzi ] Correct surname for Joni's Mother ["Timothy Spong" ] botox is the best face lift -- njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Ralph McTell question NJC now Ethel Merwoman [Catherine McKay Subject: re: Thelonious Monk, njc List synchronicity (sorta) I heard Thelonious Monk for the first time at a friends party on sunday and, impressed, have promised myself that i will invest some time listening to his music!! also, your post wasn't NJC;-) GARRET (in gloriously sunless Sweden) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 21:46:19 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Thelonious Monk, njc Uh-oh. Now I've done it. A co-worker offered to sell his 15 CD box set called "THELONIOUS MONK: The Complete Riverside Recordings" and I couldn't pass it up. If you don't see a post from me for a while you'll know why. I first became aware of Monk when watching the Ken Burns' series on PBS about Jazz. I had a yellow legal pad ready for note taking most nights and his name accumulated more than one asterisk. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:39:15 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: decadence, NJC The thing I find appalling about the Janet Jackson affair is that such a fuss was made about it! There are far far worse things on the TV and in everyday life, such as the executing of mentally defective people in the US, that don't cause much of a ripple. Have a woman show her breats on tv and people have fits. Yes, that is decadance...... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:40:13 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: "J" babies -- NJC, really Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: >>From a news story about a family in Arkansas -- Hi, Laura! -- whose mother >just had their 15th child, a boy named Jackson: > >"Their children include two sets of twins, and the parents have stuck to the >letter "J" for their names. There is Joshua, 16; Jana and John-David, 14; >Jill, 13; Jessa, 11; Jinger, 10; Joseph, 9; Josiah, 7; Joy-Anna, 6; Jeremiah and >Jedidiah, 5; Jason, 4; James, 2; and Justin, 1. " > >Hmm. Seems to me they're missing a "J" name . . . > >--Smurf > > > poor number 11 being stuck with that.... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:42:06 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Free Janis Ian tickets in Charlotte NJC Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > >--Smurf, who's just full of himself today . . . > you could make some money if you showed that on film....... > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:43:40 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Maggie McNally is coming to London!!! Ross, Les wrote: >Sorry for skipping the NJC tag but want to ensure that the Joni-Only gang >are in on this. > >Maggie and Alex are in London in June. A get together is suggested for >Friday 18th. > >Interested parties contact me off list to arrange something. > >Les (London) > > > oh shit! I am in Sweden from 15th to 20th, how long are you going to be in UK? - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:05:32 +1000 From: "don whiteman" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Tribute night in Sydney Hi All, There is a venue in Sydney that host some of th ebest musicians in the world in a very cosy and intimate enviroment. It is called The Basement. Tomorrow night (20th May) they are hosting a Joni Mitrchell Tribute night. see www.thebasement.com.au or http://thebasement.com.au/club/buytix.asp# for further details. I am going and hope to take my 16yr old daughter along. I will post a review later in the week. regards Don Sydney Australia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 05:06:54 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Ralph McTell question NJC Em wrote:- wondering if anyone can say for sure if the title of "Zimmerman Blues" is a Dylan reference?? or nah, not really?..and the "do a concert for Angela" line..umm, a benefit for Angela Davis from back then?? or not really, and Angela is someone else? Or, yeah, A.D. for sure, and, that a quick topical thing in an otherwise not topical, but so "of the times", song. Just wondering if anyone else had mulled these things over before. :) thx Em <<"wound up con-fused" np Zimmerman Blues, Ralph McTell from some live album I have, big fun ===== Hi Em, Having been a fan of Ralph's for practically all my life and having seen him perform many more times than I can remember, I can confidently say that the Zimmerman in question is Bob - I've heard Ralph say so in the distant past. Your other question I can't answer, though I think your guess is a good one. Ralph now has a good website where you can ask him questions like that. I have the first 2 volumes of his autobiography, "Angel Laughter" and "Summer Lightening" (not quite sure how many he is planning) and they make very entertaining reading. He is certainly won of the nicest guys in the business and under-rated as a guitarist IMO. Saw him on TV recently singing "Running from Home" with Bert Jansch. Fabulous! Check this out:- http://www.mctell.co.uk Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:11:39 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: Ralph McTell question NJC Hi Em Martin from London here. I mostly lurk, but your mention of 'some live album' of Ralph McTell's had me wondering. More than 20 years ago I had 'Ralph, Albert and Sydney' on vinyl which I dearly loved. I leant it to someone, and in time honoured tradition, never got it back :( Is this the one you have? (Not THE one, I'm not accusing you of theft!!) There were a whole bunch of wonderful songs on there. There was a funny ragtime-like tune about trying to conduct a relationship properly, 'Sweet Little Mystery'? 'One of these days I'll do it right; Get to her door and just say goodnight. Even if she begs me to come in, I'll make myself say no, so I can call again.' And a beautiful waltz called 'The Grand Affair.' 'Remember the Moon on the wall, didn't she shine? The taste of the sheets and the feel of the wine...' The 'Zimmerman Blues' was also on there, but I'm afraid I have no idea whether it was a Dylan reference. At the time I didn't even know that Mr. Dylan's real name was Zimmerman, so the song was a bit of an enigma to me. I have been looking for the album for years (when I remember), and wonder whether it's available on CD now. Martin. "I stand between the minarets and think them geese with their long necks and high cries.." 'Anywhere But Understood'. From the as-yet unrecorded new album by Stryngs. > Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:31:49 -0700 (PDT) > From: Em > Subject: Ralph McTell question NJC > > wondering if anyone can say for sure if the title of "Zimmerman Blues" > is a Dylan reference?? or nah, not really?..and the "do a concert for > Angela" line..umm, a benefit for Angela Davis from back then?? or not > really, and Angela is someone else? Or, yeah, A.D. for sure, and, that > a quick topical thing in an otherwise not topical, but so "of the > times", song. > Just wondering if anyone else had mulled these things over before. > :) > thx > Em <<"wound up con-fused" > np Zimmerman Blues, Ralph McTell from some live album I have, big fun > > ===== > .............. > > "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. > I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." > > ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 06:46:45 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: kd Lang, 49th parallel, now njc > > "New Hymms fo the 49th parallel. . . The 49th > > parallel has something to do > > with longitude/latitude and a place in Canada, I > > thiink. From: Catherine McKay >The 49th parallel (north latitude) is the border >between the US and Canada from roughly the Great Lakes >to the Pacific Ocean. Thanks Catherine, Still I need a geography lesson here. does that mean I am in the 49th parallel? And you Catherine, are you in the 49 parallel? I want to be in the parallel. : - ) Sounds like it would be fun being in the 49th parallel. Better than the 69th parallel. ; -) I wonder who's there. I'll have to see this visually. (the 49th) _________________________________________________________________ Get 200+ ad-free, high-fidelity stations and LIVE Major League Baseball Gameday Audio! http://radio.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200491ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 06:52:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: kd Lang, 49th parallel, now njc --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Catherine McKay > > >The 49th parallel (north latitude) is the border > >between the US and Canada from roughly the Great > Lakes > >to the Pacific Ocean. > > > Thanks Catherine, > Still I need a geography lesson here. > > does that mean I am in the 49th parallel? > And you Catherine, are you in the 49 parallel? > > I want to be in the parallel. : - ) > I have no idea! All I can say is, we're both at least close - and we are in/on some parallel or other! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 07:25:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Tribute night in Sydney **I am going and hope to take my 16yr old daughter along. I will post a review later in the week. Good on ya, mate - take good notes and send it when you get a chance, I'll be anxious to read your review. Is your daughter already a Joni fan or indoctrinating her with this event? Bob NP: Mickey & Sylvia, "Love Is Strange" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:44:31 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Pintos and such Mike F. wrote: > PS "Do the Hustle" made me think of the lovely silver "Disco Pinto" I > saw in the Long Beach gay Pride parade yesterday. It was a Ford Pinto > (remember those, children?) I'm sure Joni does as she used to drive one - according to Rick Scott, whose story about being picked up by her when hitchhiking I've posted a couple of times on the list. His story begins: "In 1971, I was hitchhiking with my wife Sue, my friend JR Stone and my dog Mousse, up the Sechelt (Sunshine) Coast of British Columbia. It was tough for three hippies and a dog to catch a ride, but after about half an hour a woman driving a beat up Ford Pinto pulled over." best to all PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 04:57:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Ralph McTell question NJC Hi Martin I was listening to "vinyl" I'd picked up quite a long time ago, and it was partly recorded in Sydney. Somewhere else too, but I forget where the other location was and I don't have it in front of me (because I am work). Yes it has some ragtime stuff, playful stuff almost whimsical, but not really, and then he slays you with "Streets of London", "Zimmerman Blues" and a couple other serious pieces. Em - --- Martin Giles wrote: > Hi Em > > Martin from London here. I mostly lurk, but your mention of 'some > live > album' of Ralph McTell's had me wondering. More than 20 years ago I > had > 'Ralph, Albert and Sydney' on vinyl which I dearly loved. I leant it > to > someone, and in time honoured tradition, never got it back :( Is > this the > one you have? (Not THE one, I'm not accusing you of theft!!) > > There were a whole bunch of wonderful songs on there. There was a > funny > ragtime-like tune about trying to conduct a relationship properly, > 'Sweet > Little Mystery'? > > 'One of these days I'll do it right; > Get to her door and just say goodnight. > Even if she begs me to come in, > I'll make myself say no, so I can call again.' > > And a beautiful waltz called 'The Grand Affair.' > > 'Remember the Moon on the wall, didn't she shine? > The taste of the sheets and the feel of the wine...' > > The 'Zimmerman Blues' was also on there, but I'm afraid I have no > idea > whether it was a Dylan reference. At the time I didn't even know that > Mr. > Dylan's real name was Zimmerman, so the song was a bit of an enigma > to me. > > I have been looking for the album for years (when I remember), and > wonder > whether it's available on CD now. > > Martin. > "I stand between the minarets and think them geese with their long > necks and > high cries.." > 'Anywhere But Understood'. From the as-yet unrecorded new album by > Stryngs. > > > Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:31:49 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Em > > Subject: Ralph McTell question NJC > > > > wondering if anyone can say for sure if the title of "Zimmerman > Blues" > > is a Dylan reference?? or nah, not really?..and the "do a concert > for > > Angela" line..umm, a benefit for Angela Davis from back then?? or > not > > really, and Angela is someone else? Or, yeah, A.D. for sure, and, > that > > a quick topical thing in an otherwise not topical, but so "of the > > times", song. > > Just wondering if anyone else had mulled these things over before. > > :) > > thx > > Em <<"wound up con-fused" > > np Zimmerman Blues, Ralph McTell from some live album I have, big > fun > > > > ===== > > .............. > > > > "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop > me > turning. > > I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop > me > burning." > > > > ...rainbow ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 05:03:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Ralph McTell question NJC Morning, Jackie and thanks for the website. Can't wait to check it out when I get home. And thanks for validating my hunch re: Zimmerman Blues. What you said about him being underrated as a guitarist..I guess I agree. I can really get lost in his picking. And from what I was reading he was hanging with the best (the Pentangle guys) so I guess he'd have to be pretty darn good to hang in that crowd guitar-wise. I think some new Mctell CD's need to hit my mailbox soon. :) thanks again! Em - --- Jackie wrote: > Having been a fan of Ralph's for practically all my life and having > seen him > perform many more times than I can remember, I can confidently say > that the > Zimmerman in question is Bob - I've heard Ralph say so in the distant > past. > Your > other question I can't answer, though I think your guess is a good > one. Ralph > now has a good website where you can ask him questions like that. > I have the first 2 volumes of his autobiography, "Angel Laughter" and > "Summer > Lightening" (not quite sure how many he is planning) and they make > very > entertaining reading. He is certainly won of the nicest guys in the > business > and > under-rated as a guitarist IMO. Saw him on TV recently singing > "Running from > Home" with Bert Jansch. Fabulous! > Check this out:- http://www.mctell.co.uk ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:19:52 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni Covers vol 31-40 Hi Doug If not too late I'd be interested. Let me know. Thanks Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 05:14:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Ralph McTell question NJC - --- Em wrote: > and > it > was partly recorded in Sydney. Somewhere else too, but I forget where > the other location was just remembered - the other place was the Royal Albert Hall, so maybe it is the same recording you were talking about..will have to look.. :) Em ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:26:40 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas - My First (sigh) My first was a 1957 Chevy. I think my dad paid about $500 for it. It was two toned, sort of a violet color. It had a three speed manual on the column, and that certain smell that those cars with cushy soft upholstery had. It plowed through Buffalo winters "like buttah." Jerry np: Cyndi Lauper - At Last > Ken wrote: > >> I had a 3 speed Nova. from somewhere around 1980. >> It was the first and last GM I ever bought. > > Oh Ken! Don't tell me you're a Ford man! > > My first car was my grandmother's 1964 Pontiac LeMans, which was a pretty > good car. I've also had an AMC Jeep (which was a true piece of crap), 3 > VWs and a BMW, a horrible Ford Econoline van, and my last two cars, both > of which were/are Chevy Cavaliers. With the exception of a faulty head > gasket on my present one (a 1995 model), the Cavaliers (both manual > 5-speeds) are the best cars I've ever owned (although I have to admit that > I'm still partial to old VW Bugs). > > Lori, > writing from work ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:38:14 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Ralph McTell question NJC > --- Em wrote: > so many > "Zimmermen", so little time. >> I love Ethel Merman..I used to actively WISH as a >> child that she were >> my grandmother..sigh... > > You really do belong at Jonifest. Absolutely. The "I Do a Killer Merman" workshop is always a highlight! Jerry An aside: Catherine, I actually saw The Merm do the revival tour of Annie Get Your Gun around 1966 at the O'Keefe. She was probably 100 or so, but it was a performance I will never forget. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 05:44:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas - My First (sigh) - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > My first was a 1957 Chevy. I think my dad paid about $500 for it. It > was two > toned, sort of a violet color. It had a three speed manual on the > column, > and that certain smell that those cars with cushy soft upholstery > had. It > plowed through Buffalo winters "like buttah." Jerry, thats a really neat first car to have had! Such a classic! Mine was '64 Rambler American that my Dad nicknamed "Blanca". Guess what color it was..lol. Was fun to take railroad tracks at high speed though..you hardly felt it, just heard this bababababba booom!!!! but it just glided over... :) Em ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:01:28 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: see Ralph McTell turn into Ethel Merman -- NJC Jerry writes: << I actually saw The Merm do the revival tour of Annie Get Your Gun around 1966 at the O'Keefe. She was probably 100 or so >> La Merm was born on January 16, 1906, and all light left this world on February 15, 1984. So she was 60 when you saw her, Jerry, and you're off by 40 years. XO, - --Smurf "Everywhere I turn, I find that a poet has been there before me." --Sigmund Freud ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:15:17 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: see Ralph McTell turn into Ethel Merman -- NJC > Jerry writes: > > << I actually saw The Merm do the revival tour of Annie Get Your Gun > around 1966 at the O'Keefe. She was probably 100 or so >> > > > La Merm was born on January 16, 1906, and all light left this world on > February 15, 1984. So she was 60 when you saw her, Jerry, and you're off by 40 > years. > Believe me, she was playing a 19 year old at 60, and she looked 100! Jerry Np: Billie Holiday - Don't Worry 'bout Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 07:13:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: see Ralph McTell turn into Ethel Merman -- NJC '66 (i was 7) was probably about the time I wanted her to be my grandmother. And I never even much heard her sing, I just liked the look of her. An older broad dressed like a cowgirl w/a gun. Very attractive! and yet I don't have that feeling about Dale Evans..AT ALL. :) Jinger - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > > Jerry writes: > > > > << I actually saw The Merm do the revival tour of Annie Get Your > Gun > > around 1966 at the O'Keefe. She was probably 100 or so >> > > > > > > La Merm was born on January 16, 1906, and all light left this world > on > > February 15, 1984. So she was 60 when you saw her, Jerry, and > you're off by 40 > > years. > > > Believe me, she was playing a 19 year old at 60, and she looked 100! > > Jerry > > Np: Billie Holiday - Don't Worry 'bout Me > ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:16:28 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: see Ralph McTell turn into Ethel Merman -- NJC Jinger writes: << I just liked the look of her. An older broad dressed like a cowgirl w/a gun. Very attractive! >> Boy, Jinger, you really need to get yourself to Jonifest! XO, - --Bob "Everywhere I turn, I find that a poet has been there before me." --Sigmund Freud ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:39:38 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Guerin and Guerin (SJC) "Today's library links" for May 26 includes: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=576 ... wherein we read about a performance in New Orleans in 2000 organized by JMDLer Michael Paz where a jazz instrumental combo, including JMDLer David Lahm (pianist) and bassist Roland Guerin performed their takes on some Joni songs. Does anyone know if Roland Guerin is (was) related to late drummer John Guerin? Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:44:48 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Mrs. Mitchell's 40 scrapbooks On Tue, 25 May 2004, LCStanley7@aol.com wrote (on Subject: Re: Joni in Saskatoon) (in part): From the article posted on the list: Mitchell's collections of Indian baskets and art as well as clothing created by a Japanese designer and her mother's 40 scrapbooks could help fill the south downtown centre, she suggests. It should take an educational approach and encourage "the creativity of youth," she said. Recently, like last week and the week before, members have been speculating that among the factors driving Joni's songwriting was lack of full acceptance by her mother, whose expectations Joni did not live up to and in fact remained something of a disappointment, whereas Joni's father is very proud of his daughter. Doesn't the existence of Mrs. Mitchell's scrapbooks of Joni memorabilia tend to weigh against that proposition? Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:32:53 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Maggie McNally is coming to London!!! This will be great! I haven't been to one in ages!!! K Joniminifest yaaay Jamie Zoob --- colin wrote: > Ross, Les wrote: > > >Sorry for skipping the NJC tag but want to ensure > that the Joni-Only gang > >are in on this. > > > >Maggie and Alex are in London in June. A get > together is suggested for > >Friday 18th. > > > >Interested parties contact me off list to arrange > something. > > > >Les (London) > > > > > > > oh shit! I am in Sweden from 15th to 20th, how long > are you going to be > in UK? > > -- > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:41:51 -0700 (PDT) From: M C Subject: Re: Joni in Saskatoon Hello, briefly out of lurkdom here. An idea occurred to me about the Joni center(s) being planned. Inside the center, how about online computers sitting here and there, set to the Joni Mithchell website/JMDL/chatroom. Thoughts? MC, back to the shadows Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:56:29 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: words, words, words Coyote chat made me think that a project about JM could beautifully be titled GETTIN' HOME WITH MY REAL TO REAL LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:09:15 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Offer Closed: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 31-40 of JM Covers Going to Laurent in France. Doug Eric's original post: In order to enable latecomers to the list or new traders have a chance of listening to Bob Muller's incredible compilation of covers of Joni's songs - some 1500 in all - this begins the launch of the Perpetual Joni Covers Trains. For those not familiar with trading trains, here is how they work. When the disks come to you, you make copies of as much of the contents as you want, and then you post back to this list offering to pass the disks along to the next person. You do not keep the originals -- you keep the copies you made for yourself. On most trains, the convention is that you make the copies and send the masters along within two days. For these trains, you must agree to turn them around within one week. Sometimes the offer goes unclaimed. Bob and I expect that to happen from time to time. So, by participating, you agree to just hang on to the disks and then make another offer a month or so later (or to respond if somebody posts a grovel looking for them). In theory, if everybody takes good care of the disks, wrapping them well, not letting them get scratched, etc. and passes them along, these covers will run on the tracks for years. Bob copied 50+ disks for me to launch this and I have copied them so there is a LOT of time sunk into offering these up. Nobody is going to monitor the progress of these trains so if you participate and then lose the disks or fail to reoffer them, you will have kept others from enjoying them. When you post an offer, please include these "rules". One final note, I know a few folks like to compress these into MP3s. If you want to, go ahead but please do not send MP3s to the next person - MP3s permanently delete some of the "data" and sound quality degrades so please pass the masters along. So, anybody who would like to receive volumes 31-40, please send me: 1. Your mailing address and 2. Your promise to reoffer, etc. If you want to know what is on the disks, please see this link: http://www.jmdl.com/covers/byvolume.cfm . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:49:16 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: kd Lang, 49th parallel, now njc Marianne and Catherine muse: > > does that mean I am in the 49th parallel? > > And you Catherine, are you in the 49 parallel? > > > > I want to be in the parallel. : - ) > > > > I have no idea! All I can say is, we're both at least > close - and we are in/on some parallel or other! So if you send notes to friends, are they also known as parallel-o-grams? ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:13:51 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: (NJC) Pintos and such/Escalade commercial harangue >While the successful, smart,WINNER (see I can afford a $60,000 car! I must be real smart and perfect) hall monitor, Slytherin-house for sure, Escalade dumb ass sits there and chortles cuz he got someone busted.< Em, thanks for the LOL this AM... especially love the slytherin-house for sure part! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:46:49 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Come to the dinner gong First, a conditional apology to the only-Joni crowd for this post. But since Jonifest is about getting together with like-minded people to sing and dance and share and have fun in the spirit of Joni, I want to include everyone. I was browsing through posts about Jonifest (on www.jonifest.com) and it occurred to me that those of you who have never been to the Full Moon don't know about the FOOD! So I put together some selected posts (and bits of posts) from the last two fests to entice you (and added the places people traveled from to be there) ... ... and just to be extra nice (and considerate of the only-Jonis), I've uploaded all of it here: http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/jonifestfood.html Lori, hoping to see lots of you in the Catskills in August! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:48:34 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: woo hoo and coyote too smurf >"Coyote to the Plains Indians?" "Clown and creator?" With "power both to order and undermine?" A doggie of duality? What's going on here? Does anyone know more about this? How many decades do I have to be on this list before I stop discovering new levels of meaning to Joni's songs?< living where I do this kind of thing has always been part of my life... when I see an animal that seems to be out of the ordinary everyday seeing (like my dog or cat) then I look it up to see what its message is for me... sometimes it is just staring right at me so there is no doubt it is trying to convey something important... one book I have is called animal-speak by ted andrews http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0875420281/102-5391704-1415312 ?v=glance another is medicine cards by Jamie Sams (& it looks like she has a new book called animal medicine which expands on her earlier work- I haven't read this one) http://www.jamiesams.com/ and if you do a google search for coyote medicine you will find many places to learn more about this coyote trickster... kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:59:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas Lori>My first car was my grandmother's 1964 Pontiac LeMans, which was a pretty good car.< Mine was my mom's black ford falcon station wagon & my dad's 66 red corvette convertible... guess which one I preferred to drive?... I'd taxi my siblings around, my sister in the seat next to me, my brother & dog scrunched in the back trunk like area which was where the top would go when it was down... this was before seats & seat belts were law... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:07:46 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re:now ethel was Ralph McTell question NJC >I love Ethel Merman..I used to actively WISH as a child that she were my grandmother..sigh...< Em, you would have LOVED jonifest 02! Ahem... Smurf? Susan? Kay? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:22:25 -0400 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: New compilation CD Well, this is interesting. I guess this is one of the two upcoming compilation CDs mentioned earlier (the other being the prairie girl-Saskatchewan collection). I'm not sure what this is about - I know Joni wants her work to be heard but I'm not sure I get it. Maybe it's to help sell the Geffen box set or for those who missed Misses. New Joni Mitchell Collection THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL Offers the Acclaimed Singer-Songwriter's Most Powerful Cultural Commentaries From Her Albums Since the Mid-'80s LOS ANGELES, May 26 /PRNewswire/ -- One of the most uncompromising, provocative and outspoken artists in music since the '60s, as well as one of its most admired, singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell throws down a timely political/environmental/cultural gauntlet in this election year with a unique compilation. THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL (Geffen/UMe), released July 27, 2004, brings together 16 of her most highly-charged "commentaries on the world in which we live," as she puts it, of the past nearly 20 years. THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL features tracks from DOG EAT DOG (1985), CHALK MARK IN A RAINSTORM (1988), NIGHT RIDE HOME (1991), TURBULENT INDIGO (1994) and TAMING THE TIGER (1998). Among the guest artists heard are Willie Nelson, Don Henley, James Taylor, Michael McDonald, Thomas Dolby, Wayne Shorter, Manu Katche, and actors Rod Steiger and Iron Eyes Cody. Each selection has been 96k/24-bit mastered from the original master tapes. Mitchell, who co-produced the collection, also contributes her original artwork and a revealing and instructive essay. In addition, the package includes complete lyrics and a copy of the famous 1852 Letter to the President from Chief Seattle, a philosophical cornerstone of the environmental movement. On THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL, Mitchell, who has been honored with a Lifetime Achievement Grammy and was listed among VH1's millennium-ending "100 Greatest Women Of Rock 'N' Roll," rails against the evils in modern society and offers hope for the future. She tackles consumerism in "The Reoccurring Dream" and exploitation in "The Windfall (Everything For Nothing)" and "Sex Kills." Scorched are the corrupting power of money in "Dog Eat Dog," "No Apologies" and "Passion Play (The Story Of Jesus And Zachius ... The Little Tax Collector)," of advertising and image-making in "Fiction," of televangelists in "Tax Free" (with Steiger delivering the money-grubbing sermon) and of the values of Western culture in "The Three Great Stimulants." A news-specific track is "The Magdalene Laundries," the true story of the horrid conditions suffered by young unwed pregnant Irishwomen who were sent there in decades past. Mitchell's passion leaps from "Slouching Toward Bethlehem," her adaptation of a poem by W.B. Yeats; the eerie "The Beat Of Black Wings," and the tale of hunger in "Ethiopia." Her championing of Native American culture rises from "Lakota," in which Iron Eyes Cody is heard, and its corollary environmental beliefs in her adaptation of the Sons Of The Pioneers' classic "Cool Water" (with Willie Nelson). THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL, an optimistic title in itself, concludes on a hopeful note with a song whose title might very well be applied a la Don Quixote attacking the windmills to the influential and inspiring Mitchell -- "Impossible Dreamer." SOURCE Geffen/UMe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:23:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Faulkner Subject: decadence,NJC Well, I was born in 1979, but I was thinking that maybe when women burned their bras in the 60's people were shocked like they were with Janet's nipple. I know that the former doesn't have to do with decadence or sex appeal (although it does deal with sex in a different aspect). I wonder what other things shocked the general public in the past. The showing of ankles, not wearing panty hose, pencil skirts instead of full skirts. Also, has anyone thought about how the symbol of sex today is a woman, and many men seemed to get turned on by lesbians (girl-on-girl action in porn). But a long time ago in Greece, the symbol of sex was a man, and many men had male lovers (usually a boy-man relationship). (I don't know about women in ancient Greece getting turned on by men having sex, or women today having woman-girl relationships.) ^_^ I thought it was kind of interesting. Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 20:31:57 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: Ralph McTell question NJC Yes - that's the one, I'm sure :) It was Ralph Mctell live at the Royal Albert Hall and the Sydney Opera House. Vinyl eh? Hmmm. Maybe you are the one who never gave me my copy back!! LOL Martin. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" To: "Em" ; "Martin Giles" ; Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Ralph McTell question NJC > --- Em wrote: > > and > > it > > was partly recorded in Sydney. Somewhere else too, but I forget where > > the other location was > > just remembered - the other place was the Royal Albert Hall, so maybe > it is the same recording you were talking about..will have to look.. > :) > Em > > ===== > .............. > > "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. > I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." > > ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:42:10 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: words, words, words David writes: << Coyote chat made me think that a project about JM could beautifully be titled >> Funny, but just today I was thinking that Joni should write and illustrate a book about her personal mythology. "Everywhere I turn, I find that a poet has been there before me." --Sigmund Freud ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:52:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re:now ethel was Ralph McTell question NJC Well I WAS going to keep quiet on the Ethel issue - but since it is looking bleak for me to be at fest this year - let Ethel ROLL!!!!! Yes indeed the ghost of Ethel lived large at Jonifest 2002! And umm I had to TRY and stop them - it was becoming addictive and spreading like wild fire. Some folks actually considered leaving fest - since it had pretty much turned into Ethel Fest! And since its not looking like I will be there - may all the rest of you suffer through yet another Smurf obsession - not to mention Kay's and Patrick's as well! Sooo sad the lights are looking dim on my being there - but the show must go on - as Ethel would say! Peace, Susan Kate Bennett wrote: >I love Ethel Merman..I used to actively WISH as a child that she were my grandmother..sigh...< Em, you would have LOVED jonifest 02! Ahem... Smurf? Susan? Kay? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:49:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC I can't agree with you more Bob - they are completely lacking any emotion or soul or feeling ... its kind of like they are all singing right after a labotomy! OMG how do they even dare try and sing You're No Good! I mean that does require some kind of kick or burst - maybe thats just me though. Like a cactus tree? - least you would feel that! Not sure any of these three have ever felt anything .... or ummm wonder if any one in this trio has ever even experienced an orgasm - if they did I'd bet no one who was a witness or present could tesitfy to that! Peace, Susan (snickering ... in a fiesty and nasty mood here) SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: I picked up the new Wilson Phillips "California" today, it's just as bland as you would imagine it to be. Their version of California isn't the worst thing on the cd, but that's not saying much. All of the tracks are totally stripped of any soul or emotion, and after having heard the REAL versions of these tunes (You're No Good ......................... and hollow like a cactus tree, Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:27:28 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Correct surname for Joni's Mother In my post earlier today, referring to Joni's mother's 40 scrapbooks of Joni memorabilia, I should have referred to Mrs. Anderson, not "Mrs. Mitchell." Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Best Restaurant Giveaway Ever! Vote for your favorites for a chance to win $1 million! http://local.msn.com/special/giveaway.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:44:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Correct surname for Joni's Mother - --- Timothy Spong wrote: > In my post earlier today, referring to Joni's mother's 40 > scrapbooks of > Joni memorabilia, I should have referred to Mrs. Anderson, not "Mrs. > Mitchell." We knew who ya meant. "Myrtle", the one with 6 foot cliffs, err, "drifts" on her lawn.... ;) Em ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:14:51 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: botox is the best face lift -- njc I remember LOLing not too long ago when Kate Bennett said that John Kerry looked like one of the apple trees in "The Wizard of Oz." Seen Kerry lately? He's looking good, and I'm not talking about his political platform. Do I care that the next -- I hope I hope I hope -- president of the US might be cosmetically enhanced? Put it this way, I'd vote for a Joan Rivers and Michael Jackson ticket over the person I can say nothing good about. - --Smurf, wondering if he can get his bulbous nose and man tits surgically reduced . . . "Everywhere I turn, I find that a poet has been there before me." --Sigmund Freud ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:45:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Ralph McTell question NJC now Ethel Merwoman --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > > --- > Catherine, I actually saw The Merm do the revival > tour of Annie Get Your Gun > around 1966 at the O'Keefe. She was probably 100 or > so, but it was a > performance I will never forget. LOL. I remember her from the Ed Sullivan show (I think - - wasn't everyone on Ed Sullivan at one time or another?) She's one of those that really caught my attention - my jaw would drop, my eyes would bug out of my head, I wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry, that kinda thing. And then I'd have to imitate that singing, to the annoyance of the rest of the family. Definitely one of a kind! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:50:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: see Ralph McTell turn into Ethel Merman -- NJC --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Jinger writes: > > << I just liked the look of her. An > older broad dressed like a cowgirl w/a gun. Very > attractive! >> > > > Boy, Jinger, you really need to get yourself to > Jonifest! > So true. This chick really belongs. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:55:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: kd Lang, 49th parallel, now njc --- Lori Fye wrote: > Marianne and Catherine muse: > > > > does that mean I am in the 49th parallel? > > > And you Catherine, are you in the 49 parallel? > > > > > > I want to be in the parallel. : - ) > > > > > > > I have no idea! All I can say is, we're both at > least > > close - and we are in/on some parallel or other! > > So if you send notes to friends, are they also known > as parallel-o-grams? > > ; ) > Who knew anyone could get so much mileage out of imaginary lines around the earth? That's one of the things I love about this list. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:01:00 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: kd Lang, 49th parallel, now njc In a message dated 5/26/04 9:58:27 PM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << Who knew anyone could get so much mileage out of imaginary lines around the earth? That's one of the things I love about this list. >> Me too! Gosh, Catherine, we must be living parallel lives. XO, - --Smurf "Everywhere I turn, I find that a poet has been there before me." --Sigmund Freud ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:03:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Really nice article/review of T'log http://www.transistornet.com/blmitchell.htm I read this today - since I can't email at work anymore (temp I hope) all I can do is surf...anyway, I found this great piece today, mostly about Travelogue but a pretty good career overview. If you have an extra minute or 2, check it out. Bob NP: The Beatles, "Sexy Sadie" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:13:37 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: decadence,NJC Jennifer wrote: I wonder what other things shocked the general public in the past. The showing of ankles, not wearing panty hose, pencil skirts instead of full skirts. Hi Jennifer! Thanks for this very good, thought provoking post. Remember hearing how the Beatles' long hair shocked people? We were watching Hard Day's Night the other night and that was so funny to see. It seems like any time a "norm" is broken, people respond with surprise and often judgement. I love Paul's "grandfather" in the movie! I've always been a norm breaker of a sort. In high school I was voted the #1 member of the Mt. St. Mary Mafia for incriminating things I won't disclose here, wink. I drove my car on sidewalks. I wore my pet lizards as earrings and snakes as necklaces. I made a lifesize dummy, dressed it in a Mt. St. Mary uniform and had it jump off the bridge between the buildings so the nuns would think somebody committed suicide. I used to hum louder and louder while we were saying the pledge and get kicks out of nobody "hearing" it until I stopped... an auditory adaptation experiment. Speaking of auditory things, have you heard Led Zep's song, The Crunge? It is so out of the norm and makes me laugh no matter how many times I listen to it. Frank Zappa is like that too... "in the dangerous kitchen." Sometimes Joni reminds me of Zappa in the way she emphasized words and concepts. Jennifer continued: Also, has anyone thought about how the symbol of sex today is a woman, and many men seemed to get turned on by lesbians (girl-on-girl action in porn). But a long time ago in Greece, the symbol of sex was a man, and many men had male lovers (usually a boy-man relationship). (I don't know about women in ancient Greece getting turned on by men having sex, or women today having woman-girl relationships.) ^_^ Interesting observations about sex symbols. No, I hadn't thought about these things... and hadn't heard about the "many men" either. BTW, Here's the real link for the anatomy art website I tried to put in an earlier post: http://www.beachbrowser.com/Archives/eVoid/April-2001/Plasticized-Corpse-Exhib it.htm The artist is the one wearing the black hat and vest. I like the running muscle man. 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