From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #240 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 26 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 240 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Electricity [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: woo hoo!!!!!! [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Pintos and such/Escalade commercial harangue [Em ] Re: woo hoo and coyote too [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Joni in Saskatoon [LCStanley7@aol.com] Madonna and the evolution of performing artists [Smurfycopy@aol.com] "J" babies -- NJC, really [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: decadence, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Electricity ["Kate Cox" ] Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: woo hoo!!!!!!songs about the prairie [Doug ] great Joni mention! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: woo hoo!!!!!! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: great Joni mention!/breath now NJC [Em ] Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas [Lori Fye ] Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas [David Sadowski ] Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas [Ken ] "Songs of a Prairie Girl" 100% JC [] Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas [lfye@cresapartners.com] Re: "Songs of a Prairie Girl" 100% JC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas [Ken ] Re: "J" babies -- NJC, really [Catherine McKay ] Re: "Songs of a Prairie Girl" 100% JC [Catherine McKay ] Offer: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 31-40 of JM Covers [Doug ] Re: "J" babies -- NJC, really/JINJER?? [Em ] Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC [Em ] Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC [Em ] Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Ralph McTell question NJC [Em ] Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC [Em ] Re: Ralph McTell question NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Ralph McTell question NJC [Em ] Re: kd Lang, jc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Ralph McTell question NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: "J" babies -- NJC, really/JINJER?? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Ralph McTell question NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: woo hoo!!!!!!songs about the prairie [Catherine McKay ] Re: woo hoo and coyote too [Michael Paz ] Re: woo hoo and coyote too [Michael Paz ] woo hoo!! [Rob & Tracy ] Today's Library Links: May 26 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Maggie McNally is coming to London!!! ["Ross, Les" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 05:31:20 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: RE: Electricity I always thought she was singing about James Taylor and Carly Simon hooking up. Him being so wired on heroin that she would be unable to fix him up, the same as Joni couldn't. Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 06:51:48 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: woo hoo!!!!!! In a message dated 25/05/2004 03:47:04 GMT Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << So do we think this is "new" Joni, or another compilation of already recorded work?>> Oh, it just means she's re-releasing Hits and Misses. ;-) Azeem in London NP: Leonard Cohen - Famous Blue Raincoat (balm for the soul after having the misfortune of hearing on the radio earlier Shania Twain's new single, which is the most vile, asinine, mindless and downright despicable monstrosity I've heard all year. Y'all know what a woolly liberal I am, but honestly, hanging's too good for these people, it's the only language they understand, etc etc... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 04:32:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: (NJC) Pintos and such/Escalade commercial harangue "One of the worst cars Chevrolet ever produced, but it was still nice to see." ya gotta stick a 350 in it. :P yeah those cars were from that real "armpit" of American auto production..the Mustangs (Mustang II) from back then were somewhat less than delicious too. Gas crunch! and guess what, its coming back! OK, now I can't shut up - gotta vent.. the MOST irritating commercial currently on... well I have always been irritated by the Cadillac Escalade commercials that play Led Zep (Been a Long Time..etc). How anti-Zep those vehicles are. Anyway, now they have that one where the dude in a rag top sports car at a light, signals the Escalade-dude "wanna race?" and the Escalade WORM notices a cop car on the other side of him which of course his queeen Mary motorcycle destroying shite-BEHEMOTH completely obscures from vision for the sports car guy. So the Escalade narc-WORM signals the sports car guy yeah lets race. So when its green light the sports car peels off and the Escalade doesn't budge, and of course the cop car takes off after the BAD small-car driver. While the successful, smart, WINNER (see I can afford a $60,000 car! I must be real smart and perfect) hall monitor, Slytherin-house for sure, Escalade dumb ass sits there and chortles cuz he got someone busted. I'd like to throw him in Abu Ghraib prison and let that little pervert chick from W. Virginia have "at" him. yes, tongue in cheek.... good morning.... Em PMS to beat the band...so I'm remaining scarce for the moment ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 07:42:13 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: woo hoo!!!!!! **Day By Day (which she wrote on the way to Mariposa) You're referring to "Day After Day" of course. Thanks for compiling that list. Why in the world we need ANOTHER Joni compilation I have no idea, though it'll be worth it if she sneaks something new in, so I'm waiting with cynical jaded anxious anticipation. Bob NP: Sun Kil Moon, "Lily & Parrots" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 07:55:00 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re:woo hoo!!!!!!songs about the prairie I have to admit I am VERY excited....this is wonderful news! the song that immediately comes to mind Urge for Going...... maybe I'll finally make that pilgrimage to Saskatoon hell, I'll even save all my Bruce dollars;~) rosie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:29:59 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: woo hoo and coyote too Jamie writes: << Let's see... songs about the prairies (SNIP) Coyote >> I was reading a book last night ("Callings," by Greg Levoy) that says: "The paradoxical nature of synchronicities makes it fitting that the god most closely associated with them is Hermes, the trickster god in Western mythology. Known as Coyote to the Plains Indians . . . Hermes is both clown and creator and possesses the paradoxical power both to order and undermine." Me again: "Coyote to the Plains Indians?" "Clown and creator?" With "power both to order and undermine?" A doggie of duality? What's going on here? Does anyone know more about this? How many decades do I have to be on this list before I stop discovering new levels of meaning to Joni's songs? - --Smurf, who always thought "Coyote" was just about Michael Paz . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:32:27 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Free Janis Ian tickets in Charlotte NJC Bryan writes: << Janis Ian is performing in Charlotte on Tuesday >> Who is Charlotte? - --Smurf, who's just full of himself today . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:37:49 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: woo hoo and coyote too > --Smurf, who always thought "Coyote" was just about Michael Paz . . . > No, it's about Muller! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:41:32 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: woo hoo and coyote too I wrote: << --Smurf, who always thought "Coyote" was just about Michael Paz . . . >> And Jerry answered with: << No, it's about Muller! >> Now me again: I have never been pinned in a corner by Muller. Have you? - --Smurf, who can NEVER get Paz to take "NO!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 10:15:36 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Saskatoon From the article posted on the list: Mitchell's collections of Indian baskets and art as well as clothing created by a Japanese designer and her mother's 40 scrapbooks could help fill the south downtown centre, she suggests. It should take an educational approach and encourage "the creativity of youth," she said. Hi Ya'll! The article posted on the list was just so awesome! THANK YOU!!!! YES, the best is yet to come! Joni reminds me of a beautiful rose bud that has yet to completely open into full fragrance in this world. Saskatoon, an awesome garden for the rose!! I want to go there when this is all done, venture back to the garden!!! Anybody else? ... or probably like who doesn't want to?! Duh?! We should have a fest there sometime too don't you think? So much to look forward to! Joni is all GIFT! What an inspiration she is to the creative potential of humanity! Love and bursting with awe, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:08:10 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Madonna and the evolution of performing artists Why do people expect performers to remain forever as they were when they became famous? I just came across the following quotation in an article about Madonna's first concert of her world tour last night in LA: "I mean come on, dude, get out there, start dancing. She didn't even sing 'Like a Virgin' or anything - come on!" (From http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/news/chartnews/040525_madonna.shtml) This reminds me so much of what people were saying as they were leaving Joni's May 2000 performance in Boston. The Joni concert goers also were very critical of the fact that Joni smoked a cigarette on stage. ("Well, I guess that's what happened to her voice.") As a nonsmoker -- who said that!? -- I can understand people wanting smokers to quit for health reasons, but anyone using a holier-than-thou attitude about Joni might suddenly discover my boot coming swiftly into contact with his or her ass! XO, - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:16:09 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: "J" babies -- NJC, really From a news story about a family in Arkansas -- Hi, Laura! -- whose mother just had their 15th child, a boy named Jackson: "Their children include two sets of twins, and the parents have stuck to the letter "J" for their names. There is Joshua, 16; Jana and John-David, 14; Jill, 13; Jessa, 11; Jinger, 10; Joseph, 9; Josiah, 7; Joy-Anna, 6; Jeremiah and Jedidiah, 5; Jason, 4; James, 2; and Justin, 1. " Hmm. Seems to me they're missing a "J" name . . . - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:23:17 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: decadence, NJC Patti quoted: "....Janet Jackson knew that Justin was going to make the motion to grab for her breast. Janet Jackson publicly let herself be disrespected. Women treat themselves like sex objects. This probably wouldn't have happened in the '70s. Can you imagine Bob Dylan trying to grope Joni Mitchell? Our society is in a state of decadence...." Hi Patti! This is a very interesting perspective. I question that Janet "publically let herself be disrespected." I would guess Janet looked at it as a form of self expression, as art of a sort. Some art that seems very disrespectful to one person might not be so for another. The idea about our society being in a state of decadence indicates a moral judgement. Some might have thought the same thing in response to Joni's albums FTR and DJRD because of the nudity. The description of what Janet did, brought to my mind the variety of responses toward art that a Taiwanese friend of mine passed around to me and the other doctors we teach with. One guy was disgusted and called it "voyeurism." I still puzzle at his description because there was not really any sexual emphasis at all in the art itself. Here is a website if you would like to see some of this art: Plasticized Corpse Exhibit It is definitely unique! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:27:50 +0000 From: "Kate Cox" Subject: Re: Electricity [TABLE NOT SHOWN][TABLE NOT SHOWN] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a FREE connection, FREE modem and one month's FREE line rental, plus a US or European flight when you sign up for BT Broadband! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:41:07 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas Lori opined about the Chevrolet Vega: > One of the worst cars Chevrolet ever produced, but it was still nice to > see. There WAS one desirable Vega...the Cosworth Twin-Cam. Didja ever see the black Cosworth (every Cosworth was black, with gold pin-striping) that little chickie from Crosby I dated drove? I really liked that car...too bad her friend rolled it, totaled it in a wheat field just outside Crosby in the wee hours one Sunday morning. Now THAT was a miserable Sunday... bp, flashing back to Paprika Plains in '74... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:53:19 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: woo hoo!!!!!!songs about the prairie I'm sure she will include some of her Prairie Hits like: All I Want (is to bring out the west in you) Just Like This Grain You Dream Flat Flat Flat Little Green (be a John Deere tractor) Doug RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: >I have to admit I am VERY excited....this is wonderful news! >the song that immediately comes to mind >Urge for Going...... >maybe I'll finally make that pilgrimage to Saskatoon >hell, I'll even save all my Bruce dollars;~) > >rosie > >. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 10:21:38 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: great Joni mention! >Saturday's "Hartford Courant" had an op-ed piece written by a high school sophomore (Jennifer Longworth) entitled: "A Generation Oblivious to Women's Rights". It was was well-written and I was pleased to see that feminism isn't dead in high school. Imagine my extra delight when I read THESE lines: "....Janet Jackson knew that Justin was going to make the motion to grab for her breast. Janet Jackson publicly let herself be disrespected. Women treat themselves like sex objects. This probably wouldn't have happened in the '70s. Can you imagine Bob Dylan trying to grope Joni Mitchell? Our society is in a state of decadence...."< I love it & my heart is hopeful to hear this kind of wisdom from the next generation... also that she mentioned two of the pillars of songwriting talents... it cannot be easy being young in a 'junk food for juvenile' culture but as the a few of the young folks on this list have shown us, there is much to be admired among these young men & woman... as far as bob & joni goes, it is a very funny thought because it is so unimaginable & brings to mind how she complained about his breath when sharing the mic with him... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 10:36:09 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: woo hoo!!!!!! >Let's see... songs about the prairies< Don't forget Urge for Going ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:09:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: great Joni mention!/breath now NJC - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > it is a very funny thought because it is so unimaginable & > brings > to mind how she complained about his breath when sharing the mic with him... oooof!...wow, I feel so disillusioned.. I thought the darling ONE would smell like a red red rose in every aspect.... sheesh... thats a gross thought indeed....although he is human and not a god even tho he wrote "When The Ship Comes In" and a trillion others..(heard that for the first time in ages yesterday and couldn't believe the power) Was that bad mike-sharing incident in conjunction with Rolling Thunder? or? did they share the stage/mike during "The Last Waltz"? I forget..need to watch that again... wow... :( Em ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:34:56 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas Buck wrote: > There WAS one desirable Vega...the Cosworth Twin-Cam. Didja ever see the > black Cosworth (every Cosworth was black, with gold pin-striping) that > little chickie from Crosby I dated drove? I know the model of Vega you're talking about, but I don't remember one in Crosby ND ... and who did you date from there? I do remember your 3-speed Nova quite well, though! > I really liked that car...too bad her friend rolled it, totaled it in a wheat > field just outside Crosby in the wee hours one Sunday morning. Now THAT was > a miserable Sunday... There was no place BUT a wheat field where anyone could total a car out there. "Vast and bleak and God forsaken" > bp, flashing back to Paprika Plains in '74... You mean '78, don't you? : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 12:44:39 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas Lori scored one when she asked: > > bp, flashing back to Paprika Plains in '74... > > You mean '78, don't you? > Uh, yep. My bad. She further went on to ask: > I know the model of Vega you're talking about, but I don't remember one in > Crosby ND ... and who did you date from there? I do remember your 3-speed Nova > quite well, though! That Nova was "the best of times, the worst of times." Best in the sense it was superior value for money: I bought it for $750 cash in '77 and sold it for $500 in '79. But what a shit-box car it was! And about that girl from Crosby...I'd rather just forget the whole thing, LOL! A SERIOUS case of drunken misjudgement. Best Regards, bp, anxiously watching the Eastern NM skies this morning. T-storms on tap today. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 14:20:58 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas My brother had two Cosworth Vegas for a time... mostly in storage. Finally, he got rid of 'em... not muscle car enough for him, I guess. Lori Fye wrote: > Buck wrote: > > >>There WAS one desirable Vega...the Cosworth Twin-Cam. Didja ever see the >>black Cosworth (every Cosworth was black, with gold pin-striping) that >>little chickie from Crosby I dated drove? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:58:59 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas I had a 3 speed Nova. from somewhere around 1980. It was the first and last GM I ever bought. > >That Nova was "the best of times, the worst of times." Best in the sense it >was superior value for money: I bought it for $750 cash in '77 and sold it >for $500 in '79. But what a shit-box car it was! And about that girl from >Crosby...I'd rather just forget the whole thing, LOL! A SERIOUS case of >drunken misjudgement. > >Best Regards, >bp, anxiously watching the Eastern NM skies this morning. T-storms on tap >today. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:01:52 -0400 From: Subject: "Songs of a Prairie Girl" 100% JC Wow! Finally some good news on the JMDL!! With "Songs of a Prairie Girl" on the burner, I'll put up a $20 bet that it will retitled several times before it's released. Will anyone take the bet? I imagine the progression will be: 1. "Songs of a Prarie Girl" 2. "Off the Prarie and Into the Cesspool" 3. "Into the Cesspool: Songs of a Prarie Girl" 4. "Prarie Girl" This idea of putting old wine in a new cask has lots of potential for abuse. What if we see this? On tap for 2006: Songs For Swinging Lovers On tap for 2007: Songs For Travelers On tap for 2008: Songs For House Cleaners On tap for 2009: Songs For Auto Mechanics On tap for 2010: Songs For Completists I guess I seem ungrateful... Lama (grinning broadly) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:14:23 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas Ken wrote: > I had a 3 speed Nova. from somewhere around 1980. > It was the first and last GM I ever bought. Oh Ken! Don't tell me you're a Ford man! My first car was my grandmother's 1964 Pontiac LeMans, which was a pretty good car. I've also had an AMC Jeep (which was a true piece of crap), 3 VWs and a BMW, a horrible Ford Econoline van, and my last two cars, both of which were/are Chevy Cavaliers. With the exception of a faulty head gasket on my present one (a 1995 model), the Cavaliers (both manual 5-speeds) are the best cars I've ever owned (although I have to admit that I'm still partial to old VW Bugs). Lori, writing from work ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:36:39 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Songs of a Prairie Girl" 100% JC **I imagine the progression will be: 1. "Songs of a Prarie Girl" 2. "Off the Prarie and Into the Cesspool" 3. "Into the Cesspool: Songs of a Prarie Girl" 4. "Prarie Girl" Right, Jim...but you left out: 5. Can the whole idea and re-re-release all the 80's stuff AGAIN until it gets the critical praise she wants. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:57:01 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: (NJC) Chevy Vegas Because I've got 4 kids I was a Caravan man. Handles nice and very comfortable. Unfortunatly hard on gas and some major problems with lots of repairs. Now I own a second hand Honda. I love it. Bought a 1998 Civic 2 years ago. It's fabulous on gas and haven't had a repair since I bought it. It's one draw back is that it's a little too light a car for our winters. Ken lfye@cresapartners.com wrote: >Ken wrote: > >>I had a 3 speed Nova. from somewhere around 1980. >>It was the first and last GM I ever bought. >> > >Oh Ken! Don't tell me you're a Ford man! > >My first car was my grandmother's 1964 Pontiac LeMans, which was a pretty >good car. I've also had an AMC Jeep (which was a true piece of crap), 3 >VWs and a BMW, a horrible Ford Econoline van, and my last two cars, both >of which were/are Chevy Cavaliers. With the exception of a faulty head >gasket on my present one (a 1995 model), the Cavaliers (both manual >5-speeds) are the best cars I've ever owned (although I have to admit that >I'm still partial to old VW Bugs). > >Lori, >writing from work ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:13:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "J" babies -- NJC, really --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > From a news story about a family in Arkansas -- Hi, > Laura! -- whose mother > just had their 15th child, a boy named Jackson: > > "Their children include two sets of twins, and the > parents have stuck to the > letter "J" for their names. There is Joshua, 16; > Jana and John-David, 14; > Jill, 13; Jessa, 11; Jinger, 10; Joseph, 9; Josiah, > 7; Joy-Anna, 6; Jeremiah and > Jedidiah, 5; Jason, 4; James, 2; and Justin, 1. " > > Hmm. Seems to me they're missing a "J" name . . . > > --Smurf and they spelled Jinjer wrong. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:29:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Songs of a Prairie Girl" 100% JC --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Wow! Finally some good news on the JMDL!! > > This idea of putting old wine in a new cask has lots > of potential for abuse. What if we see this? > > On tap for 2006: Songs For Swinging Lovers > On tap for 2007: Songs For Travelers > On tap for 2008: Songs For House Cleaners > On tap for 2009: Songs For Auto Mechanics > On tap for 2010: Songs For Completists > > I guess I seem ungrateful... > Lama > (grinning broadly) And for you, something special: Songs for Ingrates. Toying with the idea of marking this njc, but not for long. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 19:11:47 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: kd Lang, jc My friend told me that kd Lang was going to relase and album with covers by Joni, Leonard Cohen and Neil Young. So I went to her website and this is what I found. "New Hymms fo the 49th parallel. . . The 49th parallel has something to do with longitude/latitude and a place in Canada, I thiink. See last paragraph Marianne >April 28, 2004 k.d. lang BEGINS HER FIRST SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA TOUR APRIL 30 24 OF 46 PERFORMANCES ARE SPONSORED BY AUDI OF AMERICA NEW ALBUM HYMNS OF THE 49th PARALLEL COMING THIS SUMMER k.d. lang begins her first symphony orchestra tour April 30 at Houstons Jones Hall for the Performing Arts. Audi of America will be the presenting sponsor for 24 of the tours 46 North American performances; please see reverse for a complete list of dates. A winner of multiple Grammy Awards, lang also has been widely recognized as a singular live performer. In the upcoming concerts, she will be backed by some of the worlds foremost symphony orchestras and will perform a diversity of songs spanning her career, including material from her forthcoming Hymns of the 49th Parallel. On the new album, lang interprets songs by her favorite Canadian songwritersJoni Mitchell, Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, Jane Siberry, Ron Sexsmith, and Bruce Cockburn. The recording is slated for a summer release; more details will be announced soon.< _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 19:22:33 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Offer: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 31-40 of JM Covers With thanks to Kenny B., I have Volume 31 to 40 to pass on. Doug Eric's original post: In order to enable latecomers to the list or new traders have a chance of listening to Bob Muller's incredible compilation of covers of Joni's songs - some 1500 in all - this begins the launch of the Perpetual Joni Covers Trains. For those not familiar with trading trains, here is how they work. When the disks come to you, you make copies of as much of the contents as you want, and then you post back to this list offering to pass the disks along to the next person. You do not keep the originals -- you keep the copies you made for yourself. On most trains, the convention is that you make the copies and send the masters along within two days. For these trains, you must agree to turn them around within one week. Sometimes the offer goes unclaimed. Bob and I expect that to happen from time to time. So, by participating, you agree to just hang on to the disks and then make another offer a month or so later (or to respond if somebody posts a grovel looking for them). In theory, if everybody takes good care of the disks, wrapping them well, not letting them get scratched, etc. and passes them along, these covers will run on the tracks for years. Bob copied 50+ disks for me to launch this and I have copied them so there is a LOT of time sunk into offering these up. Nobody is going to monitor the progress of these trains so if you participate and then lose the disks or fail to reoffer them, you will have kept others from enjoying them. When you post an offer, please include these "rules". One final note, I know a few folks like to compress these into MP3s. If you want to, go ahead but please do not send MP3s to the next person - MP3s permanently delete some of the "data" and sound quality degrades so please pass the masters along. So, anybody who would like to receive volumes 31-40, please send me: 1. Your mailing address and 2. Your promise to reoffer, etc. If you want to know what is on the disks, please see this link: http://www.jmdl.com/covers/byvolume.cfm . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:23:16 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: music documentary NJC New FRONTLINE documentary airs Thursday, May 27, at 9 PM on PBS (check local listings). "The Way the Music Died" follows the trajectory of the recording industry from its post-Woodstock heyday in the 1970s and 1980s to what one observer describes as a "hysteria" of mass layoffs and bankruptcy in 2004. Producer Michael Kirk says, "This is the story of how the pressures to perform financially have affected the ability of many pop musicians to make the art they want". To watch a preview trailer of the documentary, visit http://www.pbs.org/frontline/shows/music/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: "J" babies -- NJC, really/JINJER?? - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > and they spelled Jinjer wrong. LMAO Catherine!!!!!!!!!! and "Jinjer" is "right"??? I thought it was supposed to be "Jinger" with the hard "g" sound..and you know what?? I kinda liked it in a weird way! Perky little name, that. Jinger! Jinger! Jinger! Jinger! rhymes with "finger finger finger'!!!!!! right?? you think it was really supposed to be "Jinger" as in sounds like "ginger" the spice? :D Em ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:33:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC no Lightfoot huh? too folky I guess. Would love to hear her cover "Ghosts of Cape Horn" with whistling and everything..so "Old Spice". lol Sounds like an interesting effort from kd. Will be curious what Neil tune she covers. Hope not "A Man Needs a Maid". :( Hope she does "Down By the River". or a jazzy, smoky slowwwwwww version of "I am A Child". As for Bruce - how hilarious if she covered "Rocket Launcher". Em - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > My friend told me that kd Lang was going to relase and album with > covers by > Joni, Leonard Cohen and Neil Young. > > So I went to her website and this is what I found. > "New Hymms fo the 49th parallel. . . The 49th parallel has > something to do > with longitude/latitude and a place in Canada, I thiink. > > See last paragraph > > Marianne > > > >April 28, 2004 > > k.d. lang BEGINS HER FIRST SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA TOUR APRIL 30 > > 24 OF 46 PERFORMANCES ARE SPONSORED BY AUDI OF AMERICA > > NEW ALBUM HYMNS OF THE 49th PARALLEL COMING THIS SUMMER > > k.d. lang begins her first symphony orchestra tour April 30 at > Houstons > Jones Hall for the Performing Arts. Audi of America will be the > presenting > sponsor for 24 of the tours 46 North American performances; please > see > reverse for a complete list of dates. > > A winner of multiple Grammy Awards, lang also has been widely > recognized as > a singular live performer. In the upcoming concerts, she will be > backed by > some of the worlds foremost symphony orchestras and will perform a > diversity of songs spanning her career, including material from her > forthcoming Hymns of the 49th Parallel. On the new album, lang > interprets > songs by her favorite Canadian songwritersJoni Mitchell, Leonard > Cohen, > Neil Young, Jane Siberry, Ron Sexsmith, and Bruce Cockburn. The > recording is > slated for a summer release; more details will be announced soon.< > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from > McAfee. > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 19:49:10 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC In a message dated 26/05/2004 00:38:54 GMT Daylight Time, emzdogz@yahoo.com writes: << Sounds like an interesting effort from kd. Will be curious what Neil tune she covers. Hope not "A Man Needs a Maid". ( Hope she does "Down By the River". or a jazzy, smoky slowwwwwww version of "I am A Child". >> Let's hope it's not something from Trans either - I could live without kd's version of We R In Control... << As for Bruce - how hilarious if she covered "Rocket Launcher". >> What about Call It Democracy?? I look forward to her honeyed tones wrapping themselves around poetic phrases like "the ideology of idolatry" or "Give a buck to make a buck/But you really don't give a flying fuck about the people in misery"! Me, I just don't hold with this business of pop singers making albums with orchestras - but, erm, I think my feelings on that subject are too well known to rehearse again... Azeem in London NP: Black - Are We Having Fun Yet? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:06:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC - --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > What about Call It Democracy?? I look forward to her honeyed tones > wrapping > themselves around poetic phrases like "the ideology of idolatry" or > "Give a > buck to make a buck/But you really don't give a flying fuck about the > people in > misery"! yeah that would be cool indeed..would love to hear it! I would pay money to hear her do that. By the way Azeem, loved your earlier post about Leonard Cohen being balm, and about the irritation of Shania. Sounds like it gave you a rash, for sure. I think thats going around today... the great rash-like irritation.... I like your passion. :) Em ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:24:32 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC kd does "A Case Of You" and "Jericho" (!!) on her new one "Hymns of the 49th Parallel". Can't wait to hear it - Jericho is one of my favoritest Joni's and this is the second one this year - life is fecking SWEET! Speaking of covers - I picked up the new Wilson Phillips "California" today, it's just as bland as you would imagine it to be. Their version of California isn't the worst thing on the cd, but that's not saying much. All of the tracks are totally stripped of any soul or emotion, and after having heard the REAL versions of these tunes (You're No Good, Old Man, Monday Monday, Get Together, Already Gone, Go Your Own Way, Doctor My Eyes among others) all these years you just have to wonder why they bothered. Sounds funny I know coming from the covers-meister guy but these are all so sterile and hollow like a cactus tree, y'know? Larry Klein plays bass throughout the CD, and Peter Asher (Joni's former manager and Betsy's husband) produces. If you want to hear a .wma of the Wilson Phillips cover, lemme know. But just don't say I didn't warn ya. Bob NP: Traffic, "Dealer" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:31:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Ralph McTell question NJC wondering if anyone can say for sure if the title of "Zimmerman Blues" is a Dylan reference?? or nah, not really?..and the "do a concert for Angela" line..umm, a benefit for Angela Davis from back then?? or not really, and Angela is someone else? Or, yeah, A.D. for sure, and, that a quick topical thing in an otherwise not topical, but so "of the times", song. Just wondering if anyone else had mulled these things over before. :) thx Em <<"wound up con-fused" np Zimmerman Blues, Ralph McTell from some live album I have, big fun ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:39:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC ach so, its already out? and we can *know* what tracks are on it?? lol, ok sorry for the previous speculation..it was fun tho. Not surprised about the Wilson Philips really. White bread..thats all it is, or?... I wouldn't have imagined any more. Enriched! "White bread. Provides BULK!" :) Em np "Open the Door", Pentangle, title track - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > kd does "A Case Of You" and "Jericho" (!!) on her new one "Hymns of > the 49th > Parallel". Can't wait to hear it - Jericho is one of my favoritest > Joni's and > this is the second one this year - life is fecking SWEET! > > Speaking of covers - I picked up the new Wilson Phillips "California" > today, > it's just as bland as you would imagine it to be. Their version of > California > isn't the worst thing on the cd, but that's not saying much. All of > the tracks > are totally stripped of any soul or emotion, and after having heard > the REAL > versions of these tunes (You're No Good, Old Man, Monday Monday, Get > Together, > Already Gone, Go Your Own Way, Doctor My Eyes among others) all these > years > you just have to wonder why they bothered. Sounds funny I know coming > from the > covers-meister guy but these are all so sterile and hollow like a > cactus tree, > y'know? > > Larry Klein plays bass throughout the CD, and Peter Asher (Joni's > former > manager and Betsy's husband) produces. > > If you want to hear a .wma of the Wilson Phillips cover, lemme know. > But just > don't say I didn't warn ya. > > Bob > > NP: Traffic, "Dealer" ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:44:14 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Ralph McTell question NJC Jinger asks: << wondering if anyone can say for sure if the title of "Zimmerman Blues" is a Dylan reference? >> The fact is, Dylan's given name was Robert Zimmerman. But did you know that Ethel Merman's name was originally Ethel Zimmerman before she changed it? So I guess I can't really answer your question. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:50:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Ralph McTell question NJC so many "Zimmermen", so little time. I love Ethel Merman..I used to actively WISH as a child that she were my grandmother..sigh... Shelly Winters too... "god bless Mrs. Rosen" love, Em ps plus the AD line says "do a concert for Angela, build a building or two" and of course "zimmerman" means carpenter in that language from "over there"... - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Jinger asks: > > << wondering if anyone can say for sure if the title of "Zimmerman > Blues" > is a Dylan reference? >> > > The fact is, Dylan's given name was Robert Zimmerman. But did you > know that > Ethel Merman's name was originally Ethel Zimmerman before she changed > it? So I > guess I can't really answer your question. > > --Smurf ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:52:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > My friend told me that kd Lang was going to relase > and album with covers by > Joni, Leonard Cohen and Neil Young. > > So I went to her website and this is what I found. > "New Hymms fo the 49th parallel. . . The 49th > parallel has something to do > with longitude/latitude and a place in Canada, I > thiink. > The 49th parallel (north latitude) is the border between the US and Canada from roughly the Great Lakes to the Pacific Ocean. (Looking forward to this one from kd). ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:52:55 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Ralph McTell question NJC Jinger writes: << of course "zimmerman" means carpenter in that language from "over there"... >> Then maybe it was a concert for Karen Carpenter. Or Jesus. - --Smurf "Everywhere I turn, I find that a poet has been there before me." --Sigmund Freud ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:55:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "J" babies -- NJC, really/JINJER?? --- Em wrote: > --- Catherine McKay wrote: > > and they spelled Jinjer wrong. > > LMAO Catherine!!!!!!!!!! and "Jinjer" is "right"??? > I thought it was supposed to be "Jinger" with the > hard "g" sound..and > you know what?? I kinda liked it in a weird way! > Perky little name, that. > Jinger! Jinger! Jinger! Jinger! > rhymes with "finger finger finger'!!!!!! right?? > you think it was really supposed to be "Jinger" as > in sounds like > "ginger" the spice? I did think it was like the spice, but I kinda like yours too. I once knew a person named Janis (or was it Janice?) who also came from a large family where all the kids had names that started with J. I'm so glad my family picked boring names that started with different letters. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:01:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Speaking of covers - I picked up the new Wilson > Phillips "California" today, > it's just as bland as you would imagine it to be. > Their version of California > isn't the worst thing on the cd, but that's not > saying much. All of the tracks > are totally stripped of any soul or emotion, and > after having heard the REAL > versions of these tunes (You're No Good, Old Man, Is that Neil Young's "Old Man"? How is that a California song? Isn't it about his dad? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:04:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Ralph McTell question NJC --- Em wrote: > so many "Zimmermen", so little time. > I love Ethel Merman..I used to actively WISH as a > child that she were > my grandmother..sigh... You really do belong at Jonifest. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:14:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: woo hoo!!!!!!songs about the prairie --- Doug wrote: > I'm sure she will include some of her Prairie Hits > like: > > All I Want (is to bring out the west in you) > Just Like This Grain > You Dream Flat Flat Flat > Little Green (be a John Deere tractor) > Urge for going... going... going.... going The crop circle game Big yellow tractor For the wheat Car on a prairie Free man in North Battleford Edith and the combine ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:22:32 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: kd Lang, jc..now NJC **Is that Neil Young's "Old Man"? How is that a California song? Isn't it about his dad? I guess they figure that Neil was IN CALIFORNIA at some point in time, so his music can be California music in their simple minds. I actually read the liner notes to see if they mention Joni, which they don't. These gals write as though they're about 16, which is to say that they don't have a lot of depth. Bob NP: Howard Wales & Jerry Garcia, "Space Funk" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:04:35 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: woo hoo and coyote too NO regrets! > Jamie writes: > > << Let's see... songs about the prairies > > (SNIP) > > Coyote >> > > I was reading a book last night ("Callings," by Greg Levoy) that says: > > "The paradoxical nature of synchronicities makes it fitting that the god most > closely associated with them is Hermes, the trickster god in Western > mythology. Known as Coyote to the Plains Indians . . . Hermes is both clown > and > creator and possesses the paradoxical power both to order and undermine." > > Me again: > > "Coyote to the Plains Indians?" "Clown and creator?" With "power both to > order and undermine?" A doggie of duality? What's going on here? Does anyone > know > more about this? How many decades do I have to be on this list before I stop > discovering new levels of meaning to Joni's songs? > > --Smurf, who always thought "Coyote" was just about Michael Paz . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:07:29 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: woo hoo and coyote too Ok ok regrets... I have had a few, but not of anyone roasting corn on the bar-b-Q or any corners I can think of... >> --Smurf, who always thought "Coyote" was just about Michael Paz . . . >> > No, it's about Muller! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:07:57 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: woo hoo and coyote too NOT yet anyways! > I wrote: > > << --Smurf, who always thought "Coyote" was just about Michael Paz . . . >> > > And Jerry answered with: > > << No, it's about Muller! >> > > > Now me again: > > I have never been pinned in a corner by Muller. Have you? > > --Smurf, who can NEVER get Paz to take "NO!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 23:56:24 -0600 From: Rob & Tracy Subject: woo hoo!! Well, I haven't had time to look at a digest in weeks, and thankfully I looked at this one! This sounds exciting! Geez, you wouldn't think I even lived in Saskatchewan anymore, with the way that I am out of touch with all things Joni lately! Kate, I'll meet ya at the Mendel again! Anyway, just had to pipe up, since this made me smile, and since I miss all of y'all so much - don't be strangers, ya hear? Evian Kate wrote: >I get the digest, so you've probably already heard this news -- but I was >just handed a Saturday Saskatoon StarPhoenix with an article about Our Joan, >and the last paragraph is this: > >"Saskatchewan will be hearing plenty from Mitchell in the next year. She's >working on two albums as 'curator,' organizing her work into themes. One of >those albums, Songs of a Prairie Girl, will feature songs about the province >for the centennial next year." > >I'm sorry I don't have time to type it up for you and can't track it on the >webpage, am off to BC tomorrow, family business ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 02:08:59 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: May 26 On May 26 the following articles were published: 1968: "Separating Pop From Pap" - New York Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=813 1998: "Dylan, Morrison and Mitchell in Total Control" - Orange County Register (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=427 1998: "Van Morrison; Joni Mitchell; Bob Dylan" - Variety (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1042 2000: "A Jazzy Take On Joni" - New Orleans Times-Picayune (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=576 2000: "'Chirp' Description Hardly Fits Enduring Singer Mitchell" - Flint Journal (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=914 2000: "Joni Mitchell brings folk back to Detroit" - Detroit News (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=526 2000: "Joni Mitchell to open hometown art show" - Jam! Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=662 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 07:16:59 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Maggie McNally is coming to London!!! Sorry for skipping the NJC tag but want to ensure that the Joni-Only gang are in on this. Maggie and Alex are in London in June. A get together is suggested for Friday 18th. Interested parties contact me off list to arrange something. Les (London) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #240 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)