From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #225 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, May 16 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 225 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hues of Noodles (njc) [Justalittlebreen@aol.com] Re: morrisey njc [colin ] Re: morrisey njc [colin ] NJC Patty Griffin - Town Hall, NYC 5.7.04 2cd 96min njc ["Kate Bennett" <] TTT ["Kate Cox" ] Re: Em & getting all of Joni's albums [Em ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #136 [StDoherty@aol.com] Joni and Childrens's music ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Oliver, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Oliver, njc [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Man From Mars [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Man From Mars [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] MOrrisey NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] born in the wrong time (NJC) [Bruce Kimerer ] Re: Man From Mars, now Jerry's new one [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Man From Mars, now Jerry's new one [Em ] Re: jazz in you all's honor njc ["Joseph S.E. Palis" ] Re: jazz in you all's honor njc [Em ] how do you spell idiot? D-E-B [Deb Messling ] Re: jazz in you all's honor njc/more Marsalis musings/ still njc/Joseph!! [Em ] Today's Library Links: May 16 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 03:19:14 EDT From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Re: Hues of Noodles (njc) In a message dated 5/1/04 11:49:07 PM, Ken wrote: << Wouldn't it sort of doesn't it depend on what color you are?>> mike pritchard wrote: >beetroot is roughly >the same colour and shape as >the organ of love > >barcelona mike >on Saturday afternoon >with time on his hands >> I don't care what color one is, and this is no reflection on you, Mike or Ken, but to anyone, I say: If it's the color of a beet, give it a rest! One who knows, "Blue Noodle" Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 08:29:46 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: morrisey njc Em wrote: >--- tantra-apso wrote: > > >>He kept going on about 'real' >>he >>was. Bullshit. he was absolutely full of it and so far from real. >>Talk >>about artiface and dishonesty.... >> >> > > >how real he "was" eh?? > bad grammar on my part. >Hope you are doing ok tonight Colin. What is it? early morning over >there by now?? > depends when you wrote this and where you are. EST plus 5, CST, plus 7 and PST plus 8 with MT plus 6. I think anyway. >Em >np "Sensation" The Who real loud..... > > >===== >.............. > >"I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. >I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." > >...rainbow > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 08:33:50 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: morrisey njc Jamie Zubairi wrote: > OMG, Colin, I saw that too, as there wasn't anything else on telly. My > housemate an I were visibly shocked to see the way he handled himself. > He just came off as being pretentious and bitter. I think Jonathan > Woss did his best to keep it going, though, good for him. yes woss did a good job. > > Perhaps it was a week of so-so reviews of the new album that made him > bitter. Rachel said that he looks like he was out on coke. oh I don't think he was on anything. He didn't appear to be to me. > If people think that Joni has no humility, should take a look at > Morissey tonight and know what high opinion REALLY sounds like. exactly! > Disappointing. But then I guess, I wasn't into him when my peers were > so I don;t really know what he's like. Wasn't that impressed by the > music either... I have never thought he could sing. But I don't think Costello and Dyaln cna sing either and look how they are revered. so what do I know? > but then I haven't followed his career and I guess you might say that > about people listening to Joni on Wogan when she was on, doing 'Good > Friends' asking, 'I thought she was a good songwriter of delicate folk > songs?' yes. I know when I have played late Joni to those who only know early Joni, they have reacted with shock and have said they would not have known it was Joni. > > Hope you are well, Col. Yep, thanks. Quite a bit of pain yesterday and took myself off for an Aromatherapy massage-first time. It was wonderful! > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zoob > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 00:48:58 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC Patty Griffin - Town Hall, NYC 5.7.04 2cd 96min njc Someone who has no right to be is charging for this? & what does patty get? As much as I'd love a copy I'd never support such a scam... I think you should let patty's management know .... - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "maria bressell" Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 9:46 AM Subject: Patty Griffin - Town Hall, NYC 5.7.04 2cd 96min > hey, > short update, > just taped Patty Griffin at Town Hall, NYC on 5.7.04 > it's a 2 cd set and it's 94min long > if you're interested let me know > thanks > > the 2 cd set is 18 total and can ship out monday morning > please make payment to this email address Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 09:07:08 +0000 From: "Kate Cox" Subject: TTT Thank you everyone who has pointed out the musical and lyrical elements that make TTT worthwhile. I really didn!/t want to believe it wasn!/t good. I think the general consensus is that it isn!/t one of her best albums, but that to some extent it allows us some intimacy, retains the politicised heatedness of the 80!/s and 90!/s (which some see as good, and some as bad!) and generally comes out very favourably when compared to the other fluff that was out at the time! Mack: No Apologies-Darn, this one is almost prophetic and reminds me of some of the tunes on DED. I wonder to myself how could Joan have known what was going to happen in the future, is the woman psychic? Takes my thoughts to Iraq and this latest fiasco with our military, at least the small portion of them that act poorly. Bob: Man From Mars is also top-notch. While the lyric is simpler than what you may be accustomed to, I think it's appropriate for such a mournful song that she speaks so plainly..."the pain won't go away - what am I gonna do?" Rather than plumb a metaphor, she just puts the emotional cards on the table!& Then there are the love songs... Fascinating themes, but she just brushes the surface!& Then there are the "my gripes with the world" tracks.....these all come off sounding hokey & phony - no more sincere than some of the diatribes from DED & CMIARS!&Then there's the sonics of this record. Like Lori said, the same synthetic-sounding guitar chimes throughout, and for no good reason. Jamie: I like TTT, there are songs on it which really hit home for me. Harlem In Havana is just so much JOY, especially with the surprising intro, just something that you wouldn't expect Joni to do. But I've learned that I should never expect Joni to do anything I expect. Hell: I'm with Bob on this one - I definitely like TTT, but I don't think it ranks among her "best" work. Musically it's a little boring, since most of the< /PRE> song have the same kind of sound to me. ..But lyrically, there are some real gems. Perhaps not as many as other albums (as Bob says, it's hard to compete with Blue or Hejira!) but they're still there. .. I do play this one quite a lot - certainly a lot more than STAS or Clouds. And although I said it doesn't rank alongside her best work, it stands up pretty well against releases from other artists at the time (I'm thinking Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera). I think THAT is the real benchmark for me, not how it ranks against other Joni albums! I will definitely sit down and give it another listen, I have to put my preconceptions and expectations aside and just try and unravel the mystery, like any other album! Love Kate - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 06:52:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Em & getting all of Joni's albums - --- PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > I read that you were concerned with spending a lot on CD's lately > and I > was wondering if you're near any used CD stores (we have quite a few > on Long > Island here) Hi Kenny, yes we actually do have one or 2, and these are places I love to go. But what inevitably happens is that I can't leave without dropping $100 or so. Even if I'm finding used stuff. So I order he "low cost" option form Amazon.com, seems most of Joni's bigones are to be had for $6.98 and with shipping its still under $10, so I've been doing that. > or if you have a turntable (I've seen lots of used Joni > LP's) which > will save you some money; yep, have a turntable which I do use, but I find alot of the vinyl from "back then" (70's) isn't that great..sometimes it is..but its hit or miss. Strange because some of my older vinyl and my indy label vinyl is really nice, and has a great sound. But I have alot of vinyl crap on say, Asylum. Too bad, cuz I have lots of it. The other point is: if you really love music (and Joni's music, > in > particular) you will eventually have to get all the albums anyway... > you only live > once, so enjoy it as best you can! Thanks Kenny! I appreciate the input. I'm really REALLY enjoying listneing to a little bit "different" kinds of stuff lately. And its largely due to the musical energy I feel from being a part of this list. Its been a blessing. Hope you have a great day! Em < Subject: Joni and Childrens's music "And the seasons they go round and round And the painted ponies go up and down" I have got my sister's 3 year old twins singing this! . . i usually remember to sing this to them when they are on the swing set. . I am listening to Second Frets, which I enjoy, and hearing Joni sing London Bridge. Any other suggestions for children's music for Joni to feature on this album? Perhaps Joni's grandchildren can offer some inspiration. I want to say to Joni: Joni, Please consider creating a children's album. I know this is rather selfish of me to ask, as you have given us all so much. . . but it would be a true gift to the world. . if I had one wish today. . . . stardust gloden Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 12:22:35 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Oliver, njc I just saw "Oliver" (Twist) the older one .. ."Wh er. . . rre is Love?" What a beautiful song. A beautiful movie. I saw it for the first time today. The boy (Mark Lester) sings this song so beautifully. Has he performed in other movies? It is worth seeing this movie just to hear this song. . some other great scenes too. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Best Restaurant Giveaway Ever! Vote for your favorites for a chance to win $1 million! http://local.msn.com/special/giveaway.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 12:50:14 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: Oliver, njc Gorgeous movie. One of the last big movie musicals. Mark Lester is in investments now. Hasn't done a movie in many years. He was close to Michael Jackson (gulp!) and Michael is godfather to one of his children. Jerry Quoting Marianne Rizzo : > I just saw "Oliver" (Twist) the older one .. ."Wh er. . . rre is > Love?" > > What a beautiful song. > > A beautiful movie. > > I saw it for the first time today. > > The boy (Mark Lester) sings this song so beautifully. > Has he performed in other movies? > > It is worth seeing this movie just to hear this song. . some other great > > scenes too. > > Marianne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Best Restaurant Giveaway Ever! Vote for your favorites for a chance to > win > $1 million! http://local.msn.com/special/giveaway.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:22:59 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Man From Mars **and think that Man from Mars is a great song And you're in good company - it has become the runaway "hit" from the album in terms of being appreciated by other artists. Of course, there was the Kristen Vigard version from 'Grace of My Heart', also Chaka Khan does a knockout version on her live DVD. David Sanborn's turned in a fine instrumental of it, and two jazz vocalists from Europe have covered it as well. To date, Man From Mars is the only TTT track to be covered (at least in terms of official release) that I'm aware of. If there ARE others, I'd LOVE to know of them! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:39:12 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: Man From Mars My new cd, Harlem In Havana, is being released next Tuesday. Jerry Quoting SCJoniGuy@aol.com: > two jazz vocalists from Europe have covered it as well. > > To date, Man From Mars is the only TTT track to be covered (at least in > terms > of official release) that I'm aware of. If there ARE others, I'd LOVE to > know > of them! > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 18:42:08 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: MOrrisey NJC tantra-apso wrote: rarely have I had such a strong reaction to someone. i saw this jerk interviewed tonight. Truly an obnoxious person who spends his time sneering at the rest of the human race. He kept going on about 'real' he was. Bullshit. he was absolutely full of it and so far from real. Talk about artiface and dishonesty.... Oh Colin I could not agree with you more. Pretentious little talentless shit bag were the words that sprung to mind... but being queen lulu I would never be so vulgar as to voice them out loud!!!!!! And the jacket was like some Butlins red coat ensemble.... dreadful..... Lulu in a huff!!! Love your friends because you choose them. Understand your family because no one else can. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:45:58 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: born in the wrong time (NJC) Kate, I'm thoroughly enjoying your posts - and they prompt me to post more often (I'm basically a lurker by nature). Your youth makes me think about music today and music 30 years ago. You wrote: > To be honest, I really feel that I > was born in the wrong time and > > both my parents have been an absolute lifeline to a time when music, and > > relationships, and culture in general werent so shallow, cynical and > > materialistic. I feel pretty lucky that I was a teen and young adult during the mid-to-late 60s and early 70s. I was able to evolve into an adult at the same time pop/rock music was evolving into an art form, when it was viewed as a leading edge of the cultural/societal vanguard --- breaking down walls, exploring new worlds, making something important happen. Maybe, in fact, all that 'ground breaking' responsibility for a whole generation was too much for music-making to bear. When all is said and done, they're just songs. But at the time they were something more. I remember the Airplane's fight with RCA over 'motherfucker' in We Can Be Together on Volunteers. I remember Lennon's fight with the US govt over being deported. It seemed like my musical heroes were pushing the envelope in ways that went beyond the music. I remember how closely fans and the music press examined and reported Dylan's every move; "is he performing again?", "what did he sound like?", "what did he say?", "is it like the old stuff?" (meaning pre-accident) -- this was all big news. It's hard to imagine now so much cultural weight being piled on one individual. This was all a part of my time. I'm happy I was able to be there. A simple twist of fate. Kate, I'm glad you can appreciate all this. But it also kinda makes me sad that you feel born out of time. Although I don't enjoy the music my nephews like, I do enjoy the fact they are relishing their own cultural moment. It's a moment that belongs to them. It is not meant for me, and that's the way it should be. If I was their age, I hope I would be a discerning listener -- being able to differentiate between the very best hip-hop and the drek, the finest rap/metal and the worst, who has real talent and who's a pretender. Though it all sounds the same to me, I know that that cannot be the case. Just as my parents could not hear any difference between the Doors and Iron Butterfly (don't get on my case Butterfly fans). There are many factors that color our perception of now and then. The 60s and 70s had plenty of one-or-two-hit-wonders who had great success with songs that everyone knew were absolutely lousy. The commercial debasement of music was often proclaimed like the apocalypse when groups like the Cowsills were mentioned. Then again, maybe these two eras are totally different. Maybe commercial demands have changed the nature of quality. Maybe media overload has destroyed attention spans and the ability to listen. Maybe anger has become the primary mode of expression. I guess time will tell. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 15:45:25 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Man From Mars, now Jerry's new one **My new cd, Harlem In Havana, is being released next Tuesday. It must be a typo then as the All-Music-Guide lists it as "Darlin' in Cabana"! Bob NP: Loretta Lynn, "Portland, Oregon" (man is THIS cool!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 12:53:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Man From Mars, now Jerry's new one - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > NP: Loretta Lynn, "Portland, Oregon" (man is THIS cool!) 'zat on her new one that everyone is talking about, Bob? Went lookin' for it last weekend; couldn't connect tho. Glad to hear the Bob-filter sez "cool". Em :) np: "Nadie Se Salva De La Rumba" - Celia Cruz, Ray Barretto, Adalberto Santiago ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 16:20:01 -0400 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Re: jazz in you all's honor njc Em, I own that album too and although it was not "love at first listen" for me, I have since marveled at this guy's compositional skills even if he is in a different league from, say Miles Davis and Ellington. I know its unfair to compare anyone to Miles and Ellington but I count Wynton as a musical visionary too. His symphonic jazz movements detailing the saga of Sweetie Pie and Sugar Cane is a swinging affair unafraid to go to Thad Jones territory and skyrocket to Oscar Peterson if necessary. Critics assail Wynton as too technical and bloodless in his execution such that improvisation in his own terms appear more calculated, but I do like his neotraditionalist spirit in keeping the jazz tradition alive by breathing something new to something that's old. Joseph Quoting Em : > under your influence..to listen to more jazz stuff...am listening to > this CD i bought years ago and never listened to anymore - but now > it > sounds good.. > Wynton Marsalis Septet "Blue Interlude" > its from 92 but it sure has a be-boppish sound..I like it. Well maybe > a > little more refined than be-bop..but similar.. > its good I think. > anyone know this? is this "good"? is this not good and I only like > it > because its sweet? Seems kind of dry to me actually... like some > kind > of dry sherry.. > Em > > ===== > .............. > > "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop > me turning. > I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop > me burning." > > ...rainbow > Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 16:23:33 -0400 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Madeleine Peyroux NJC For fans of Madeleine Peyroux and who, like me have been waiting for her follow up to her fantastic debut "Dreamland", here's good news. Madeleine just released a new album called "Got You On MY Mind" which features Carly Simon. It has advance very very good rave reviews from Carly to Bob Telson ("Baghdad Cafe" composer) to Lynn Di Menna. All good news, Joseph Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:10:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: jazz in you all's honor njc Hi Joseph thanks! I love what you wrote, and I can see what you mean. Care to recommend a Miles Davis album for me? or one to stay away from? (that's of course *if* you [or anyone on the list] have a particular opinion as far as that) I thought this Wynton Marsalis was pretty darn good - just don't trust my judgement yet vis a vis jazz, when it comes to crowing about it to other jazz listeners. I did feel "transported" by the CD though, and I like how it let me forget time. *IN FACT*...whyyyyyyyy don't I just listen to it NOW????? :) see ya, and happy Saturday, all. Em Joseph wrote > I own that album too and although it was not "love at first listen" > for > me, I have since marveled at this guy's compositional skills even if > he > is in a different league from, say Miles Davis and Ellington. I know > its unfair to compare anyone to Miles and Ellington but I count > Wynton > as a musical visionary too. His symphonic jazz movements detailing > the > saga of Sweetie Pie and Sugar Cane is a swinging affair unafraid to > go > to Thad Jones territory and skyrocket to Oscar Peterson if necessary. > > > Critics assail Wynton as too technical and bloodless in his execution > > such that improvisation in his own terms appear more calculated, but > I > do like his neotraditionalist spirit in keeping the jazz tradition > alive by breathing something new to something that's old. ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 17:15:51 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: how do you spell idiot? D-E-B So I'm talking to this older gentlemen trolling through a stack of LPs at my big yard sale, and he buys all these unlikely female artists (some of them so obscure I can't even remember them now). He tells me he once heard a Canadian woman with an incredibly beautiful voice, and he couldn't remember her name, so he buys anything by any female in hopes of hearing her again. I try to help him think of who it could be. Jane Siberry? Celine Dion? Connie Kaldor? I know - it must be Loreena Mckennitt! Never occurred to me to suggest JONI MITCHELL. Oh what an idiot I am. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 15:10:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: jazz in you all's honor njc/more Marsalis musings/ still njc/Joseph!! whoa!!! listening today to this is quite different...the individual parts are starting to distinguish themselves - and I believe this is stellar art. Also, wanted to mention, am just now reading the liner notes, and THEY are fantastic too, and an education in and of themselves. Tells me where to hunt among historical jazz recordings if I wish to sample the ancestry and roots of this delicious nourishing fare. Very carefully written, and I appreciate that. How wonderful to dig out old CD's and for some reason now they "click". Another thing I think I am finding attractive about this work is the New Orleans-ness that shines through, but doesn't overwhelm. Gives it a flavor and style. Highly attractive this is..and way over my head - so I love it. How often does that come along?? something over my head that is also irresistibly delicious? hmmmmmm...normally only new lovers fit that bill... or Hejira...lol..or this dang jazz CD that is stealing my face.. lol... life is decent.. soooooo hoping it is that way today for everyone. wishing you alllllllllllllll, delicious new and old sounds. love Em ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 18:37:37 -0400 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Re: jazz in you all's honor njc/more Marsalis musings/ still njc/Joseph!! Hi Em! Wow you are certainly digging Wynton's septet! I am sure there are others on this List who can recommend better CDs for Wynton and Miles, but because I believe that no two people can experience jazz the exact same way (and also because I have more time in my hands now because its summer and I don't have to be enroled in any grad classes until August), I'll give it a shot: Miles Davis A lot has been said about the singular beauty, power and high aesthetics (though in itself subjective) of his KIND OF BLUE album, I would still recommend that you get this (that is if you haven't yet). Miles is also a master of using silence to great effect (a trait that is shared by prima jazz vocalists Betty Carter and Shirley Horn) and his IN A SILENT WAY predates the innovation and musical invention of his much-discussed BITCHES' BREW (a title that makes me uncomfortable even if English is not my first language). IN A SILENT WAY is more cohesive musically and well-integrated than the titanically flawed but very engaging BITCHES' BREW. Also, you might want to check out FILLES DE KILIMANJARO where he is on the verge of splitting with his quintet and the creative tension are all here in this record. There are other albums of Miles that I like from a level of critical engagement but which can have "burstingly noisy" music. Wynton Marsalis You should check out his STANDARD TIME albums, from Volumes 1 to 6. My favorite is Vol. 3 or "Resolution of Romance" where he eclipsed recent versions of "Never Let Me Go" in a little more than 2 minutes. Very beautiful. His Nawlins sound is also evident in his tribute to stomps and King Oliver. The problem with Vol. 3 is that there are too many tunes and were not given enough space for improvisations -- or maybe I am just asking too much. Vol. 2 "Intimacy Calling" has extended solos though. Wynton also did this 3-album "Soul Gestures in Southern Blue" or something to that effect. Its also good, esp. Vol. 2 with its "Low Levee Moan". As a geographer-in-training, I am fascinated by musical allusions to site-specific geographic features. I watched Wynton in concert a few years ago in Manila and he dazzled the audience with his jazz lecture as prelude to his music. Although I thought that concert was more talk than music, I still enjoyed it. He came to Durham a few months ago or so, but I never got the chance to see it. Em, how did you find Wynton's monologue before the jazz fantasia that is Sweetie Pie and Sugar Cane? Joseph in hot-and-humid Chapel Hill (whis is like Manila all over again) Quoting Em : > whoa!!! > listening today to this is quite different...the individual parts > are > starting to distinguish themselves - and I believe this is stellar > art. > Also, wanted to mention, am just now reading the liner notes, and > THEY > are fantastic too, and an education in and of themselves. Tells me > where to hunt among historical jazz recordings if I wish to sample > the > ancestry and roots of this delicious nourishing fare. Very carefully > written, and I appreciate that. > How wonderful to dig out old CD's and for some reason now they > "click". > Another thing I think I am finding attractive about this work is the > New Orleans-ness that shines through, but doesn't overwhelm. Gives it > a > flavor and style. > Highly attractive this is..and way over my head - so I love it. > How often does that come along?? something over my head that is also > irresistibly delicious? > hmmmmmm...normally only new lovers fit that bill... or > Hejira...lol..or > this dang jazz CD that is stealing my face.. > lol... > life is decent.. > soooooo hoping it is that way today for everyone. > wishing you alllllllllllllll, delicious new and old sounds. > love > Em > > > ===== > .............. > > "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop > me turning. > I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop > me burning." > > ...rainbow > Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 19:56:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: how do you spell idiot? D-E-B njc deb, don't be so hard on yourself! love, wally, (thinking of writing a case story on deb's slip) > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Deb > Messling > Enviado el: Sabado, 15 de Mayo de 2004 06:16 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: how do you spell idiot? D-E-B > > > > Never occurred to me to suggest JONI MITCHELL. Oh what an idiot I am. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > messling@enter.net > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 19:57:02 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: how do you spell idiot? D-E-B On the other hand, it is slightly incredible that someone could have been blown away by JM......and NOT remembered her name. While we're on "slightly incredible," dig this: my television brings me about 40 channels of "Music Choice" where I listen to audio, but see onscreen only still graphics--album art and information about the artist currently playing. So this afternoon, on the "Singers and Standards" channel, here comes "Answer Me, Oh My Love" by you-know-who. With the following graphic (I swear): "Joni Mitchell contributed to Charles Mingus' 1979 album 'Mingus.' " LAHM npimh: twilight zone music ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 20:01:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: how do you spell idiot? D-E-B njc Deb, I'm with Wally...you probably unconsciously surmised that the guy KNEW Joni, and that he was looking for some other voice. After all, in OUR world Joni reigns supreme - how could someone NOT be familiar with all of her stuff? Bob NP: Fabio Ranza & Elisabetta Tamberlan, "Ladies Man" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 20:05:39 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Man From Mars, now Jerry's new one **'zat on her new one that everyone is talking about, Bob? 'Tis...and I really enjoyed it - Jack White (The White Stripes) produces & plays, and there's also some Cincinnatti-area studio players. Very raw & real sound. I read a long article about it today in the latest No Depression mag, and just about every cut was a first take. Still has a country influence, but it rocks too. I'm guessing anyone who likes Lucinda & Emmylou would dig it. Bob NP: Mario Ranza & Elisabetta Tamberlan, "Moon At The Window" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 17:06:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: jazz in you all's honor njc/more Marsalis musings/ still njc/Joseph!! I am indeed digging it. And the weird thing is the copy I ordered of STAS arrived today and I listened to that in between listenings to Blue Interlude. STAS comes across as masterful and jewel-like. The all guitar nature of it, with no other period specific instrumentation, I think is going to insure STAS's prominent and permanent place in my personal pantheon. PPP&P! lol.... how could such a young woman do that?? she doesn't even come across as particularly "young". Sounds way younger in other records. Just sounds plain-ass good. "white-ass deer" good... LOL why does she say "white ass" instead of white-tail deer in "Refuge of the Road" oops sorry to skip around on albums.... please forgive! as far as Wynton's intro/monologue..weeeellll..its nice on one hand to hear his lovely voice...but honestly, ummmm I could do without it... I like Eric Burdon's intro to "Mother Earth" better, lol. Wynton's has a high school music teacher aspect to it. Which is fine...just..I'd rather hear the music. Much rather. ANd it makes me wonder if the guys in his band really think along those terms when feeling a piece. hmmmmmm.... one doesn't know, does one??? Thank you for your recommendations on the Miles and other Wynton. Glad you said what you said, before I ran out and bought "Bitches Brew" just for the title. ;) nah no really, would have bought it because it's so famous..but now I'll go with the other one you mentioned. OK my new geographer-in-training music friend/aquaintance, I'm back off to paint a circle round this sun and hear Wynton yet again. Thanks again for your thoughtful responses! Em - --- "Joseph S.E. Palis" wrote: > Hi Em! > > Wow you are certainly digging Wynton's septet! > > I am sure there are others on this List who can recommend better CDs > for Wynton and Miles, but because I believe that no two people can > experience jazz the exact same way (and also because I have more time > > in my hands now because its summer and I don't have to be enroled in > any grad classes until August), I'll give it a shot: > > Miles Davis > > A lot has been said about the singular beauty, power and high > aesthetics (though in itself subjective) of his KIND OF BLUE album, I > > would still recommend that you get this (that is if you haven't yet). > > Miles is also a master of using silence to great effect (a trait that > > is shared by prima jazz vocalists Betty Carter and Shirley Horn) and > his IN A SILENT WAY predates the innovation and musical invention of > his much-discussed BITCHES' BREW (a title that makes me uncomfortable > > even if English is not my first language). IN A SILENT WAY is more > cohesive musically and well-integrated than the titanically flawed > but > very engaging BITCHES' BREW. Also, you might want to check out FILLES > > DE KILIMANJARO where he is on the verge of splitting with his quintet > > and the creative tension are all here in this record. There are other > > albums of Miles that I like from a level of critical engagement but > which can have "burstingly noisy" music. > > Wynton Marsalis > > You should check out his STANDARD TIME albums, from Volumes 1 to 6. > My > favorite is Vol. 3 or "Resolution of Romance" where he eclipsed > recent > versions of "Never Let Me Go" in a little more than 2 minutes. Very > beautiful. His Nawlins sound is also evident in his tribute to stomps > > and King Oliver. The problem with Vol. 3 is that there are too many > tunes and were not given enough space for improvisations -- or maybe > I > am just asking too much. Vol. 2 "Intimacy Calling" has extended solos > > though. Wynton also did this 3-album "Soul Gestures in Southern Blue" > > or something to that effect. Its also good, esp. Vol. 2 with its "Low > > Levee Moan". As a geographer-in-training, I am fascinated by musical > allusions to site-specific geographic features. > > I watched Wynton in concert a few years ago in Manila and he dazzled > the audience with his jazz lecture as prelude to his music. Although > I > thought that concert was more talk than music, I still enjoyed it. He > > came to Durham a few months ago or so, but I never got the chance to > see it. > > Em, how did you find Wynton's monologue before the jazz fantasia that > > is Sweetie Pie and Sugar Cane? > > > Joseph in hot-and-humid Chapel Hill (whis is like Manila all over > again) > Quoting Em : > > > whoa!!! > > listening today to this is quite different...the individual parts > > are > > starting to distinguish themselves - and I believe this is stellar > > art. > > Also, wanted to mention, am just now reading the liner notes, and > > THEY > > are fantastic too, and an education in and of themselves. Tells me > > where to hunt among historical jazz recordings if I wish to sample > > the > > ancestry and roots of this delicious nourishing fare. Very > carefully > > written, and I appreciate that. > > How wonderful to dig out old CD's and for some reason now they > > "click". > > Another thing I think I am finding attractive about this work is > the > > New Orleans-ness that shines through, but doesn't overwhelm. Gives > it > > a > > flavor and style. > > Highly attractive this is..and way over my head - so I love it. > > How often does that come along?? something over my head that is > also > > irresistibly delicious? > > hmmmmmm...normally only new lovers fit that bill... or > > Hejira...lol..or > > this dang jazz CD that is stealing my face.. > > lol... > > life is decent.. > > soooooo hoping it is that way today for everyone. > > wishing you alllllllllllllll, delicious new and old sounds. > > love > > Em > > > > > > ===== > > .............. > > > > "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop > > me turning. > > I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop > > me burning." > > > > ...rainbow > > > > > > Joseph S.E. Palis > Department of Geography > University of North Carolina > Saunders Hall, CB 3220 > Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 > > palis@email.unc.edu > joepalis@yahoo.com ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 20:08:14 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: how do you spell idiot? D-E-B **"Joni Mitchell contributed to Charles Mingus' 1979 album 'Mingus.' " LOL - that's some awesome trivia all right. I guess you could also say she contributed to James Taylor's "Blue" or Jaco's "Hejira". Bob NP: Mario/Elisabetta, "Solid Love" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 01:47:06 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Oliver, njc Hi Marianne Oliver is one of those jubilant musicals that realy take me back to my childhood.'Consider Yourself' is just sheer technical choreographic excellence and JOY. Oliver! Trivia: In my first theatre job, I was told by one of the members of the cast that Mark Lester is happy an dliving in Hastings (on the South Coast of England) and working as a gynaechologist (I hope I spelt that right, it is 2 in the morning). She's one of his patients! I guess in this precarious business, he got out and got himself a proper job! I think he did one or two films though. Check out http://www.imdb.com Much Joni Jamie Zoob Marianne Rizzo wrote: I just saw "Oliver" (Twist) the older one .. ."Wh er. . . rre is Love?" What a beautiful song. A beautiful movie. I saw it for the first time today. The boy (Mark Lester) sings this song so beautifully. Has he performed in other movies? .com/special/giveaway.asp - --------------------------------- How much mail storage do you get for free? Yahoo! Mail gives you 6MB! Get Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 19:54:52 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: jazz in you all's honor njc Em wrote: > Hi Joseph > thanks! I love what you wrote, and I can see what you mean. > Care to recommend a Miles Davis album for me? "Kind of Blue" is the best selling jazz album of all time, I believe (not counting Norah Jones), and, as you might expect, the most accessable. "Sketches of Spain" is another good one, long form, orchestral. Don't consider "Bitches Brew" unless you have a taste for the wierd.(I think it's great, but alot of people probably wouldn't care for it). RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 02:00:38 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: May 16 On May 16 the following articles were published: 1998: "Dylan Dominates Sizzling Concert" - Victoria Times Colonist (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=411 1998: "Stuff of Legends" - Rocktropolis website (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=315 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #225 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)