From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #224 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, May 15 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 224 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- morrisey njc [tantra-apso ] Re: morrisey njc [Em ] Myrtle ["Janine Sherman" ] jazz in you all's honor njc [Em ] Re: morrisey njc [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Re: HOSL/ more/ a request for speculation/ now TTT ["hell" ] Re: Em & getting all of Joni's albums [PassScribe@aol.com] Fw: Patty Griffin - Town Hall, NYC 5.7.04 2cd 96min njc ["gene mock" Subject: morrisey njc rarely have I had such a strong reaction to someone. i saw this jerk interviewed tonight. Truly an obnoxious person who spends his time sneering at the rest of the human race. He kept going on about 'real' he was. Bullshit. he was absolutely full of it and so far from real. Talk about artiface and dishonesty.... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:35:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: morrisey njc - --- tantra-apso wrote: > He kept going on about 'real' > he > was. Bullshit. he was absolutely full of it and so far from real. > Talk > about artiface and dishonesty.... how real he "was" eh?? so he lives in the past? Well the entire 80's didn't suck I suppose..."La Femme Accident" (OMD) was pretty good...lol, and more, I know... Hope you are doing ok tonight Colin. What is it? early morning over there by now?? Em np "Sensation" The Who real loud..... ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:59:21 -0400 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: Myrtle Hello everyone, All this talk of Myrtle jogged my memory from articles or video mentions ( please excuse minor inaccuracies) and got me thinking: 1. Joni tells her mum she loves her a lot before she sings Cherokee Louise in the Toronto musical spot (forget name) as well as tells the story of her mom denying that "they" are part Indian, but Joni insists that there is a blonde sect of some tribe or other.... ( I love that whole episode because it reminds me of myself- loving my mom, but disagreeing with her on many issues but letting her own her side of it without trynig to change her mind about it or allowing her opinion to change mine. 2. On another music video, Joni sings "Dancing Clown " while dancing around her kitchen with her cat. She precedes it by saying her mom just loves that song and she (Myrtle) puts on her walkman and dances around to it, too. 3. Somewhere or other in an article a childhod friend says that Myrtle let her paint a mural on her wall in her bedroom at a young age. 4. After Joni reunited with Killauren her mom admited they did not even know she had a baby until a couple of years after the fact and would have helped her if they had known. 5. She justified Joni's divorce from Klein sharing he was much younger and suffered from depresion (defending Joan). I would say it sounds like an HONEST mother and daughter relationship. (ups and downs) Whoever said Joni has been a disappointment to Myrtle must be seeing it through their own nearsidedness or basing it on Myrtle's normal motherly complaints. I would say my mother would be proud of my artistic talent, but a little miffed if I painted myself tongue to tongue with my lover or placed a bare breasted woman on the shoulders of Dubya ..... and included the art in my records, but hey it makes Joni who she is and bravo for her- after all she is one nervy broad. All the best, Janine NP: The Thrill is Gone, BB King ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 17:01:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: jazz in you all's honor njc under your influence..to listen to more jazz stuff...am listening to this CD i bought years ago and never listened to anymore - but now it sounds good.. Wynton Marsalis Septet "Blue Interlude" its from 92 but it sure has a be-boppish sound..I like it. Well maybe a little more refined than be-bop..but similar.. its good I think. anyone know this? is this "good"? is this not good and I only like it because its sweet? Seems kind of dry to me actually... like some kind of dry sherry.. Em ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 01:01:18 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: morrisey njc OMG, Colin, I saw that too, as there wasn't anything else on telly. My housemate an I were visibly shocked to see the way he handled himself. He just came off as being pretentious and bitter. I think Jonathan Woss did his best to keep it going, though, good for him. Perhaps it was a week of so-so reviews of the new album that made him bitter. Rachel said that he looks like he was out on coke. If people think that Joni has no humility, should take a look at Morissey tonight and know what high opinion REALLY sounds like. Disappointing. But then I guess, I wasn't into him when my peers were so I don;t really know what he's like. Wasn't that impressed by the music either... but then I haven't followed his career and I guess you might say that about people listening to Joni on Wogan when she was on, doing 'Good Friends' asking, 'I thought she was a good songwriter of delicate folk songs?' Hope you are well, Col. Much Joni Jamie Zoob tantra-apso wrote: rarely have I had such a strong reaction to someone. i saw this jerk interviewed tonight. Truly an obnoxious person who spends his time sneering at the rest of the human race. He kept going on about 'real' he was. Bullshit. he was absolutely full of it and so far from real. Talk about artiface and dishonesty.... - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 01:35:59 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: TTT My turn! I like TTT, there are songs on it which really hit home for me. Harlem In Havana is just so much JOY, especially with the surprising intro, just something that you wouldn't expect Joni to do. But I've learned that I should never expect Joni to do anything I expect. The most 'join-the-dotty' progression that I can make of recent years is NRH to TI but only because they are both largely acoustic numbers (I say largely due to the keyboards used underneath in the mix). TI isn't afraid to be dark where I think NRH was made as a pill as 'there are hard times coming, people are going to have to strengthen themselves and their compassion'. (Joni's words, not mine). Then when TTT comes along, you have to go WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIT a minute, this is going to be different! And it works. There does seem to be a split of Love songs and Hate songs - both just as passionately done as each other. No Apologies is just brilliant (and I have got used to her saying 'echo-systems' as opposed to ecosystems, (unless she is talking about he pa breaking down, then all is forgiven). The stanza about Freddie and Juan is a little obscured but I think this has been previously discussed as Fred (Walecki) and Juan (Jann? Wenner, the then head of Warners) but that is just speculation. Stay In Touch is simply beautiful. I know it's been mentioned on the list, that it's about Kilauren and I think even Joni says in interviews that Kilauren thinks it's about Kilauren, but that her songs are about whatever the listener wants them to be about. You can transpose it to whatever the situation. I prefer it to be about love blossoming and it's more a statement of honesty and intentions. If I see it being just about Kilauren, then it limits it's possibilities as a song. And the title track, I was listening to it today at work, I was thinking 'This is REALLY cheeky, really barefaced. Just having a pop at everyone. Like in rap music, she's doing the same thing, dissing the competition. AND WHY NOT? The singers that make up the bulk of the charts today don't have half the talent. It's true. Nobody listens to the music half the time, it's just great video. Who listens to Damien Rice ar Aimee Mann or Joni or and would bother about the single? You buy the album hopefully to get more songs of the same calibre. I gotta get to bed before I start winding myself up with this subject. Audition tomorrow for more theatre work (yay!) Gnight all and Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 12:54:11 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: HOSL/ more/ a request for speculation/ now TTT Bob wrote: > Then there's the sonics of this record. Like Lori said, the > same synthetic-sounding guitar chimes throughout, and for no > good reason. Most of these songs call out for a warmth that > matches the lyrics. Compare the version of Man From Mars that > she did on acoustic piano. Much better. A more diverse > selection of musical colors would have helped immensely. > > So I don't mean to paint negatives all over TTT, at an age > where most of her contemporaries had long ago abandoned trying > to remain creative, Joni gave it a shot. She just doesn't hit > all the targets all the time. > > Plus, when you're competing with magnificence like C&S, Blue, > Hejira, the bar is very high. I'm with Bob on this one - I definitely like TTT, but I don't think it ranks among her "best" work. Musically it's a little boring, since most of the song have the same kind of sound to me. The VG8, while allowing Joni to keep performing (which is a very good thing) does seem to have confined her to a specific style for some reason - to my ears, anyway. But lyrically, there are some real gems. Perhaps not as many as other albums (as Bob says, it's hard to compete with Blue or Hejira!) but they're still there. Some personal favourites include: I said "Send me some pictures then And I'll paint pyrotechnic Explosions of your autumn till we meet again" Every song just a one night stand Formula music, girly guile Genuine junkfood for juveniles Up and down the dial Mercenary style (love the alliteration in the third line) Every kiss was sweet and strong Every touch was totally tandem As the train come a-rumbling along They sang a lover's song of wild abandon (again - great alliteration) Stay in Touch is a gorgeous song, and whether it's about Kilauren or Donald or whoever, it descibes that fragile area at the start of any relationship incredibly well. I do play this one quite a lot - certainly a lot more than STAS or Clouds. And although I said it doesn't rank alongside her best work, it stands up pretty well against releases from other artists at the time (I'm thinking Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera). I think THAT is the real benchmark for me, not how it ranks against other Joni albums! Hell - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 12:57:47 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Myrtle Janine wrote: > I would say it sounds like an HONEST mother and daughter relationship. (ups > and downs) Whoever said Joni has been a disappointment to Myrtle must be > seeing it through their own nearsidedness or basing it on Myrtle's normal > motherly complaints. I would say my mother would be proud of my artistic > talent, but a little miffed if I painted myself tongue to tongue with my > lover or placed a bare breasted woman on the shoulders of Dubya ..... and > included the art in my records, but hey it makes Joni who she is and bravo > for her- after all she is one nervy broad. I think another thing to remember is something Joni said herself - "I sing my sorrow, and I paint my joy". That whole thing about Joni's music being depressing comes into play here too. Personally, I think Joni uses her music as therapy much of the time, to get things "out", as it were. That would include any difficulties she has with her mother, but as she doesn't tend to write about the good stuff, we only hear the bad side! Janine descibed several positive things Joni has said about her mother, but all of those things were said in interviews or at concerts, not in her lyrics! Hell - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 22:29:03 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Em & getting all of Joni's albums << From: Em Subject: re: all the HOSL stuff etc wow you got me drooling now. Can't wait! Someone mentioned HOSL falls between CAS and Hejira, so if its in anyway the gradient that joins them, then its bound to be great. Em >> Hi, Em; yeah, C&S is my favorite Joni album and it took me a while to fully appreciate Hejira but I love it now... I agree with those who say that HOSL fits neatly in between them. I read that you were concerned with spending a lot on CD's lately and I was wondering if you're near any used CD stores (we have quite a few on Long Island here) or if you have a turntable (I've seen lots of used Joni LP's) which will save you some money; also, if you're not too thrilled with an album, it doesn't hurt too much 'cause you paid less for it. The other point is: if you really love music (and Joni's music, in particular) you will eventually have to get all the albums anyway... you only live once, so enjoy it as best you can! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 22:10:15 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Fw: Patty Griffin - Town Hall, NYC 5.7.04 2cd 96min njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "maria bressell" Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 9:46 AM Subject: Patty Griffin - Town Hall, NYC 5.7.04 2cd 96min > hey, > short update, > just taped Patty Griffin at Town Hall, NYC on 5.7.04 > it's a 2 cd set and it's 94min long > if you're interested let me know > thanks > > the 2 cd set is 18 total and can ship out monday morning > please make payment to this email address > in the "TYPE" section please put "Goods (Other)" and in the subject section > PLEASE DO NOT PUT > ANY INFORMATION, leave everything blank but the amount of money your sending > after you send payment send me an email with the complete details of what > you paid for > thanks and please let me know if you have any more questions or requests > > thanks again and enjoy the show!!!! > > list updated: > www.geocities.com/postedlist/index3.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 02:04:08 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: May 15 On May 15 the following articles were published: 1998: "Bob Dylan leads excellent triple bill" - Jam! Website (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=141 1998: "Historic Night Like Revisiting the Past" - Vancouver Province (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=407 1998: "Rock legends bring out the boomers" - Edmonton Journal (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=101 1998: "Trio Effort Makes Return of '60's Icons Memorable" - Vancouver Sun (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=410 1998: "Trio, Fans More Subdued Than In their Rocking Youth" - Vancouver Province (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=408 1998: "Unpredictable Icons Can Still Rock When They Want To" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=375 2000: "In love with Joni" - Contra Costa Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=510 2000: "Joni Mitchell's Dull Twist On Standards" - San Francisco Chronicle (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=508 2000: "Mitchell Overcome By Orchestra" - Variety (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=511 2000: "Mitchell's Truly Fusing Both Sides Now" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=507 2000: "Performance Shows New Side of Mitchell" - Daily News of Los Angeles (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=919 2000: "Short Sets - Joni Mitchell" - Orange County Register (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=920 2000: "Uneven evening with Joni Mitchell" - San Francisco Examiner (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=509 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 23:25:03 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Patty Griffin - Town Hall, NYC 5.7.04 2cd 96min njc >> just taped Patty Griffin at Town Hall, NYC on 5.7.04 >> the 2 cd set is 18 total and can ship out monday morning >> please make payment to Folks, Please, DO NOT support bootlegging scumbags by *paying* for these discs! Patty is very "taper-friendly" and would be the first one to object to someone making illegal profits from the sale of her music. This show will undoubtedly surface in the trading community and will be available via trades or B&P. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 23:45:51 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: HOSL/ more/ a request for speculation/ now TTT/anemia "In search of love and music my whole life has been, illumination, corruption and diving, diving, diving, diving". ** Bob> Funny though, that she altered that lyric almost immediately. Every live version I've heard has her singing "in search of TRUTH & BEAUTY" instead of the original. Do you think maybe she attaches more permanence to those two nouns as opposed to 'love and music'? I think she overthought it & as a result diminished the line... Love & music is to me, from a pure emotional passionate place... Replacing those words with truth & beauty is very cerebral & detached IMO... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 02:56:06 EDT From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Booklet in the Geffin Box (probably old news...) Hi, gang, I finally today got around to buying the four-album Geffin set that came out, what, last fall. Did anyone else who got the set have some of the pages in the booklet reversed? no pages are missing, but around page 60 or so, the pages are upside-down and backwards for about ten pages, and then revert to right-side up, etc. Did a lot of these get out -- was it "Geffin's Revenge"? -- or do i have a collector's item? Sorry if this has already been discussed to death -- I've been essentially off my Mac for the last six months, for a variety of reasons, and missed any discussion that may have ensued. Best to all, Walt "Noodlehead" Breen ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #224 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)