From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #212 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, May 8 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 212 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- gore and iraq NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: gore and iraq NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: njc news takes me up short [vince ] Re: gore and iraq NJC ["mackoliver" ] Joni Mitchell Centre will bring rides, cash influx to area [Smurfycopy@ao] Today's Library Links: May 8 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] NJC - dan patlansky ["Ron" ] Joni Centre in Saskatoon [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Travelogue question / Joni Rose [BRIANASYMES@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 19:47:07 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: gore and iraq NJC >That's just laughable. I will not defend Bush, but for fucks sake, Gore would have brought America to war just as well -- < I disagree, we may have gone to war in afghanistan but not iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11... Invading iraq is a PNAC obsession & most of the administration are members... Gore would not have had those people in his administration... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 19:53:01 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: gore and iraq NJC >We are torturing the Iraqi's? This is a new one on me . Tell me how exactly we are torturing the Iraqi's. Are you kidding? Aren't you reading the news? >Bush went to the UN...Powell went to the un..... And in doing so they provided proven false evidence to the entire international community & all of the american people... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 23:27:19 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: njc news takes me up short His name was Steven. I feel ok to say that so you can name him in your prayers. The state can't get me really anymore for violating his confidentiality. I would have so adopted Steven. But I couldn't because of the emergence of his grandparents - distant ta they were in emotion and not not understanding him yet it was so ironic that I had known them for years as gentle loving peace activists but they just could not connect with their adopted daughter Amy - who was Native American and adapted in the hippy 60s and 70s spirit - and they could not connect with Steven, that wonderful and wounded child. The tribe had first claim and the grandparents had second claim and I as the gay foster case worker single family had no claim at all but he and I bonded so -I might have been the only male adult who ever took him seriously and I pledged to him that should his mother's boyfriend attack I would defend him -he held my hand with such trust I'd cry after I transported him - he was the only child I ever held hands with because I am gay and was so afraid of misinterpretations - how I cared for him, he was so scared. And Amy - I knew she'd never get it together - it was not her fault, some people just are not strong enough - her loving caring adopting parents in every way tried to love her but she was beyond being lovable and so there good people who had been hurt by her turned their backs on her and her children - I cannot remember the name of Steven's little brother, does that make me a bad person that I have forgotten that baby's name who is now maybe 10 years old - I didn't transport the baby because he was in a different foster home - Amy talked to me a little as much as she talked to anyone because she was in crack house kitty corner from my home (it was a fun neighborhood...) and she knew that I knew that she just couldn't get it together, that she would always relapse into the drugs and alcohol and sex, and she knew that I didn't judge her and that I loved her son Steven and I promised her I would never let the father of the baby get the baby - I alone knew the father's name, she told me, she trusted me, but we didn't tell the authorities, which broke the law that we wouldn't name the father but this same man beat Amy, beat Steven his step child, we never wanted him to know where his bio son was so he couldn't hurt that child either And then I got fired from the agency because someone was gunning me down to get my job and then they closed the foster care part of the agency anyway so all clients were transferred elsewhere and privacy laws shut a fortress wall between me and Steven and the last time I talked to his grandparents I knew they didn't want him, didn't understand him, scared them (he was only 6 years old) because they thought he'd go the same way as his mother Amy. I wanted Steven as my son and I could never have him. In today's paper Amy's face is on the front page. She went to Asylum Lake for the only reason anyone goes - drugs and sex - and someone beat her to death, and I knew her, and I can't handle that someone I knew despite her faults she was gentle but she was so addicted beyond control and she was beaten to death and left to decompose and when they found her body they could identify it as male or female, oh Amy, Amy - maybe if I hand handled the politics of the agency better or hadn't moved away I might still have been a person you could have come to Steve and is brother are not mentioned in the newspaper accounts - oh Amy, I never really liked you being honest but you knew you could trust me and I would have anything for you your and your son but I didn't, I played the office politics game wrong at work and lost my job dealing wt. you and then the agency shut the department down but I was not there to be transferred to the new agency you went to but fuck it anyway I moved away for a selfish reasons that blew up in my face, had I stayed, maybe, maybe,.,, maybe... Damn it read the newspaper article, if I had stayed - she lived at 708W Walnut, I was at 607 Oak, we could toss a Frisbee from her porch to mine and we did and I moved away to be with a lover who tried to destroy my life - why didn't I stay - two articles below - where is Steven, where is his half brother I knew, where are the other three children... http://www.mlive.com/news/kzgazette/index.ssf?/base/news-9/1083943293290850.xml Murder victim had hard life Friday, 7, 2004 rhall@kalamazoogazette.com 388-7784 Kevin Weesaw and Nancy Sinkler have only memories of Amy Sue Diment to hold on to now. The couple, who lived across the street from Diment on West Walnut Street, recall how soft-spoken Diment was, the good times they shared at each other's Kalamazoo homes during summer cookouts and how strongly the Sioux Indian loved her culture. Weesaw, himself a Pottawatomi Indian, said he and Diment often exchanged cassette tapes of Native American music. From Our Advertiser He remembers how the woman he knew for three years often drove through the neighborhood with the windows down. "Amy was always with the culture," Weesaw said. "You could hear powwow drums coming down the road and you knew it was her." But Weesaw won't hear those drums again. Diment's body was found Sunday near the shore of Asylum Lake, a nature preserve owned by Western Michigan University. WMU Public Safety officials have ruled the death a homicide but have declined to say how the 37-year-old died. Chief Robert Brown said Thursday there were no new developments in the case. Several law-enforcement agencies are trying to determine if Diment's death is connected to three other unsolved homicides involving women in their 30s in Kalamazoo County in the last two years. News of Diment's death hit hard for neighbors who lived near her residence at 708 W. Walnut St., a home subdivided into apartment units. "It just stunned me," Weesaw said. "We just sat here and left the door open and let the breeze come in. She was just a lovable girl." Weesaw said Diment had five children, who did not live with her, and received Social Security disability benefits. Weesaw and Sinkler never called Diment by her first or last name. They knew her as Sue Diamond. That was the way Diment preferred it, to be called by her middle name and the last name given to her at birth. Diment and her brother, Kirk, were originally from South Dakota, said Carrie Thomas, who has lived on the second floor of the West Walnut house since August. When Diment was 3 years old, she and her brother were adopted by a Kalamazoo couple, Gerald and Nancy Diment, who have declined to speak to the Kalamazoo Gazette. Thomas said she hadn't seen Diment in more than a month prior to her death. Thomas said Diment left the Vine neighborhood residence to stay with a former boyfriend. The move concerned those who knew Diment, she said, because the ex-boyfriend had been physically abusive in the past. Thomas said she was friends with Kirk Diment, 35, and first met him and his sister when they were teenagers. At one time, Kirk Diment lived with his sister at the Walnut residence, neighbors said. Thomas said Amy Diment was free-spirited and fun-loving and recalled how she often won stuffed animals from machines and passed some along to Thomas' children. But she also had a hard life, Thomas said. She lost her birth mother at a young age, struggled with drug abuse and did not have custody of her children. "I'm glad that her pain is over with," Thomas said. "I just know she had a real hard life and I think there was a lot she was hiding from." Thomas said Kirk Diment moved back to South Dakota following his sister's departure from the Walnut residence. "I just pray for Kirk -- that he can make it through this," she said. Authorities are investigating possible connections between Diment's slaying and the deaths of three other local women. The body of Karon Hussine-Sanders, 36, was found in 2002 in an alley near the Sackett Brick Co. warehouse on Fulford Avenue in Kalamazoo. She died of blunt-force trauma to the upper torso. In 2003, Linda Kay Gibson, 39, was found beaten and stabbed to death in a vacant lot on Palmer Avenue in the city. The body of Christine Paddock, 39, was discovered April 22 in a field in Schoolcraft Township. The body had been there for about six months, police have said. Authorities have declined to say how Paddock died. Three bodies were nude and the fourth partially clothed. Funeral arrangements for Diment are being handled by Langeland Family Funeral Homes. No services are planned, an official said, but flowers and memorials can be sent to Langeland's Burdick Street chapel at 622 S. Burdick St. http://www.mlive.com/news/kzgazette/index.ssf?/base/news-9/1083856815120160.xml Unsolved slayings probed for possible links Thursday, 6, 2004 Kalamazoo Gazette There have been four homicide victims in a two-year span, all women in their 30s, all found in remote locations in or near Kalamazoo. Local authorities are now questioning if and how the unsolved cases might be connected. Detectives from multiple police agencies met Wednesday "to discuss unsolved homicides in the county, to see if there's any similarities," said Western Michigan University Public Safety Chief Robert Brown. The body of Karon Hussine-Sanders, 36, who had been beaten to death, was found in 2002 in an alley near a warehouse on the city's southeast side. Thirteen months later, Linda Kay Gibson, 39, suffered a similar fate -- beaten and stabbed to death, her body found in a vacant lot on Palmer Avenue. From Our Advertiser The body of Christine Paddock, also 39, was discovered two weeks ago in a field in Schoolcraft Township. The body had apparently been there for more than six months. Police have declined to say how Paddock died. Investigators from those three cases are comparing notes with WMU detectives assigned to the case of Amy Sue Diment. The 37-year-old's body was found Sunday in Asylum Lake, a nature preserve on WMU property. She was found in shallow water just offshore, her nude body hidden under a wooden pallet, Brown said. The cause of Diment's death has not been released, but it has been ruled a homicide. Investigators from the city, county and WMU met for two hours Wednesday to discuss the four cases, Kalamazoo County Sheriff Michael Anderson said. Another agency was also present at the meeting, Anderson said. He declined to name the department, but did say that local police are looking at potential suspects and "also checking with area agencies outside of Kalamazoo, looking for every possibility of possible connections." Anderson said investigators were unable to establish a connection among the four cases during the Wednesday gathering. "It's unusual in terms of the fact that they were all women. They are all bodies that have been disposed of in a similar fashion by the perpetrator," Anderson said. "We cannot conclude that there is a connection, but we need to look earnestly for possible connections, and we are. "I don't think we have any reason yet to make rash conclusions that there's really no concrete evidence to support," he said. "I think it's appropriate that we vigorously pursue the possibility but do so with an open mind and a logical process." Kalamazoo County Medical Examiner Dr. Richard Tooker said he hadn't yet seen a report on Diment. Of the other three women, he said, autopsies revealed no overt similarities. "Nothing from the forensic-medicine standpoint says that all of these people died by the same hand," Tooker said. "In each of these cases, they certainly met a violent death." Brown declined to say how Diment died, saying it could hinder the investigation. She was last seen alive three weeks ago, moving out of her apartment, Brown said. Diment lived in a Walnut Street apartment which, according to Brown, she shared on and off with her brother Kirk Diment. According to court records, she had a 14-year-old son. Her parents, Gerald and Nancy Diment of Kalamazoo, declined to comment Wednesday. Rex Hall Jr. can be reached at 388-7784 or rhall@ kalamazoogazette.com. Craig McCool can be reached at 388-8575 or cmccool@ kalamazoogazette.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 22:53:17 -0500 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: gore and iraq NJC Paul wrote: -- Kakki is seldom right That is just tacky. Kakki is very well informed and having a different opinion doesn't make her wrong. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 00:43:29 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell Centre will bring rides, cash influx to area By Rod Harden Saskatoon StarBurnup May 7, 2004 The Joni Mitchell Centre may become the Northern Hemisphere's star attraction under a proposal that is currently causing pockets of interest in Canada. It would be the name of a cultural complex penciled into development plans for the road to Baljenny, near Ms. Mitchell's old home town. The new Persephone Theatre would be the main occupant, along with a 100,000,000-250,000,000-square-foot airplane hangar dedicated to Mitchell's ego. If built, the theatre complex may see an increase in annual number of local Joni Mitchell Benjamins. Mary Haddaliddle-Lamb, an alleged family "friend" of the musician and artist, and Tourism Saskatoon official Randy Johnson admit to trying to make a few bucks off the notoriously bitter folk icon. Mitchell, her Saskatoon parents and Persephone, which is meeting with the city about its plans, have vastly varying levels of interest in this project, ranging from nil to ho-hum to frighteningly obsessive. The Mitchell room may revitalize the sixty-something chanteuse's fading career. Don't call it a comeback, though. She hates that word. It's a return. "This is a living kind of thing," Haddaliddle-Lamb said. "It'll be exciting. Especially the James Taylor ride," she added, winking lewdly. "I've been to Neverland and Graceland and Dollywood and I thought, 'Why don't we have something that's every bit as appallingly tacky for Joni Mitchell?' Think of it: Finally, there'll be a place where tourists can act like tourists, and Indians can act like Indians." Other cities have capitalized on homegrown musical talent. A popular rest stop is named after Burton Cummings in Winnipeg and a centre with sad little plastic souvenirs manufactured in cruel Third World sweatshops by poor abused women honours Shania Twain in Timmins, Ont. Mitchell, 60, was born on Mars and lived in Fort Macleod until she was an uppity and unusually opinionated two-year-old. Her family moved to Maidstone, then North Battleford after the Second World War. When Joni was nine years old she started smoking cigarettes, so they moved to Saskatoon for the cheaper carton prices. "She's got recognition worldwide -- a great following of fans," Johnson ejaculated, adding he expects Mitchell's name and memorabilia to draw "Old hippies, gay guys of all ages, and unhappy, rebellious Goth-type girls from the U.S. and overseas." "Living here in Saskatchewan, we don't realize how cold it really is until the spring arrives and the blizzards end and our faces stop hurting," Johnson explained. "And boy is the land flat here. Yes, siree, it's flat. They say that here in Saskatchewan you can watch your dog run away from home for three whole days. That's how flat the land is here." An exhibition of her artwork at the Mendel Art Gallery led to the temporary suspension of local smoking laws in 2000. The idea of a centre honouring Mitchell appeals to her mother, Myrtle Anderson. She's already thinking of having a Joni tag sale and selling for "a buck or two a pop" childhood photographs of her daughter, plus a wooden bird with painted wings, and 40 kick pleat skirts. "It's a nice idea. It's a strange thing, though. You know how Joni is just so freaking full of herself. I'm sure Miss High and Mighty expects everyone to build something more like the Vatican, but this is all she's gonna get. Ha!" Mitchell isn't conducting interviews on any topic other than the evil music business and Hopi predictions for imminent doom, her agent told The StarBurnup. Haddaliddle-Lamb raised the idea with Mitchell last summer, when she followed Joni to her parents' house one day, house one day, house one day, which was, apparently, against the rules. "Joni doesn't want something that a mere mortal would be happy with," Haddaliddle-Lamb said. "Oh no. She wants it more 'eternal,'' she said, making quote marks in the air with her fingers -- "Think the Pyramids, or the Taj Mahal." The music festival would fit well in early July, Johnson said, when tourist numbers temporarily swell for Moose Month and the annual Sweethearts' Mayple Syrup Dance-a-Thon. It would be an ideal celebration for the city's 2006 centennial -- which an intelligent person would call a "centenary" -- perhaps featuring a performance by a Lynyrd Skynnard cover band, he suggested. "Maybe they'll even do 'Sweetbird.'" Mrs. Anderson said she mailed her daughter the city's plan, some helpful hints for proper conduct, and a couple of pounds of homemade beaver jerky, but hasn't heard her opinion. Persephone expects its two-stage theatre to cost $6 million to build. But that's $6 million Canadian, so it's not that bad. But still. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 02:15:45 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: May 8 On May 8 the following articles were published: 1974: "Joni's Prize Blooms" - Sounds (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=350 1979: "Music, Message at Antinuclear Rally" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=157 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 08:40:00 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: NJC - dan patlansky hi well, last night i finally got the chance to see this guitarist everyone's been raving about here. after sitting thru the excruciating opening band - (who passed themselves off as a blues band but were oh so bland & boring) dan & his band - the mississipi muthers - got up on stage. during the soundcheck it became it obvious that this was going to be something special. and it was. dan is a guitar hero in the making. not shy to tackle everything from bb king to stevie ray, via hendrix & a selection of home brew. he plays guitar with intense passion & involvement, bringing tears to my eyes with the sheer beauty of his guitar work. hes also a really open, friendly & approachable guy. anyhow - he has just signed his first recording deal, & is busy working on his second cd (tho he regards it as his first since he is not very happy with the previous cd. it was released 3 years ago when he was just 18, & he says he has improved so much in the interim that he is no longer happy with it). the new album will be released internationally. (in the US initially) so if youre a bluesman with a taste for stevie ray vaughn type playing - check him out: http://www.samp3.com/artists_l_s.html there are 3 mp3 listed under the band name - the mississipi muthers - who are pretty damn good as a unit. the bassplayer esp is impressive with some very creative & melodic playing (sigh - now if only hed ditch those frets). ron np - mississipi muthers - mississip muther blues ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 02:43:45 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Joni Centre in Saskatoon 7/2004 -0600, Les Irvin wrote: >By Rod Nickel - Saskatoon StarPhoenix - May 7, 2004 >The Joni Mitchell Centre may become south downtown's star attraction under a >proposal quietly taking shape outside of the limelight. I see the future and it includes a good number of us taking up residence in the Joni Mitchell Senior Village at the Mitchell Centre. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 02:56:54 EDT From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: Travelogue question / Joni Rose I have had Tlog since it has came out but tonight I slipped CD one into the CD drive of my computer and was surprised with the gallery of pictures. Another surprise was the links section that allowed you to send in your email address but my question is where does this go to JoniMitchell.com ? Added news! One of my seedlings sown from 2 years past is starting to bloom, the first outer petals are the color of Joni's sun blushed cheeks (see Tlog Self Portrait) but all interior petals are light yellow this rose will get the best manure tea this summer. Siquomb Don't Vent Let's vote off this Flaky President "Be Cool" Brian ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #212 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)