From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #208 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 5 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 208 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Back from the Bar NJC [BRIANASYMES@aol.com] please disconnect me ["Cecco Maino" ] Re: work njc ["Kate Cox" ] Re: work njc ["tantra-apso" ] Demise of the Joni-Only list [Ed Beauchamp ] Covers 52 Freebies [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] from the onion -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Re May 4 1970 NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list -- NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE:Pro-Choice - NJC ["Suzanne MarcAurele" ] spoken for??? NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Re May 4 1970 NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list [Lori Fye ] RE: Re May 4 1970 NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list and "The Beau-ey" -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol] Re: Re May 4 1970 NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] RE: Demise of the Joni-Only list and "The Beau-ey" -- NJC ["Wally Kairuz"] Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list and "The Beau-ey" -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol] RE: Pro-Choice - NJC [Lori Fye ] Re: work njc ["Kate Cox" ] Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list and "The Beau-ey" -- NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.] OJ njc ["tantra_apso" ] Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list and "The Beau-ey" -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol] Re: disgusting war stuff, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: polite request, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] joni at the deli -- joni content! [Smurfycopy@aol.com] did anyone post this Australian News article already? ["Richard Flynn" ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_4_May_1970_=A0NJC?= ["Kate Bennett" ] Kurdistan, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Funny Diana Krall review from amazon vljc [Mike Friedman ] RE: Pro-Choice - NJC [Ricw1217@aol.com] iTunes conundrum/tech/ NJC [Em ] Re: Subject:--Breaking Nyronews!!! Now SJC ["o" ] Joni on 'Sorry I Haven't A Clue' BBC archive [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zuba] Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list [Ed Beauchamp ] RE: Demise of the Joni-Only list ["Richard Flynn" Subject: please disconnect me Please,disconnect me from your very interesting mail list:there is much there,though,that does not interest me (as an Italian citizen) and tend to crowd my in-box. Thank you,Cecco Maino ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 08:43:50 +0000 From: "Kate Cox" Subject: Re: work njc > Marianne asked: > > > What are your work hours? > > How much time off each year? > > Stressful or not? And buckpennington@yucca.net replied: >I have not ever 'worked'. That was very stressful. It took a long time to >accept that situation and also to learn how to deal with it. Yes, learning >to deal with all that time was difficult. I also had to learn that despite >others, it was not healthy to define myself by what i did. I don't define >others that way. What other people do may be interesting sometimes but it >isn't how I define them. I just wanted to say how much I empathise with your viewpoint & respect your self-acceptance & unwillingness to be part of a culture that defines us by what we do. I'm a near-graduate in Psychology at the start of my career, who has followed the traditional educational path; my boyfriend is a very talented musician, with no qualifications, who is sometimes on the dole and takes temporary work when he can get it. (He lives in a town with high unemployment). People often ask me, "What does your boyfriend do?". They look shocked at my inadequate answer to this question, and either the conversation stops there or they start judging him as 'lazy' and telling me I 'could do better'. If they were to ask me, 'What is your boyfriend like?' or 'What is your boyfriend interested in?' or 'What is you boyfriend good at?', I could spend ages answering them. But it seems these are not the attributes of a person's identity which matter to a lot of people these days. Like you, my boyfriend recognises that hard-working people need help with housework etc, and he is perfectly happy to take on this role when my career is underway and we live together. This may be unconventional, but it seems to be the best arrangement for both of us, and who we are. So more power to you! Best wishes from Kate C - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Have more fun with your phone - download ringtones, logos, screensavers, games & more. Click here to begin! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:06:55 +0100 From: "tantra-apso" Subject: Re: work njc Kate Cox wrote: People often ask me, "What does your boyfriend > do?". They look shocked at my inadequate answer to this question, and > either the conversation stops there or they start judging him as 'lazy' > and telling me I 'could do better'. It is such an offensive thing. Sometimes when people ask me that, I say 'i am kept'! Of course it is natural when getting to know people to ask questions about what they 'do' but there are ways to do it and a right time. Another answer I give, the coward's one, is that I am knitwear designer. That is true but it isn't my 'job'. It really depends on how i feel at the time. Do not worry in anyway about lving in an 'unconventional' way. Life is short and for you to enjoy and to live according to your conscience, not the conscience of anyone else. It is not another's business to think you ought to live differently. People tied up in convention are fearful. Of course there are people who live very conventionally but because it suits them not because they feel they have to for some 'approval'. A life lived according to the views of others is a wasted life. bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 04:32:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Beauchamp Subject: Demise of the Joni-Only list Joni-folks(?), Well, it appears that the "NJC" concept has finally broken down completely. Todays Joni-only digest had exactly ONE email that had anything to do with Joni. I don't come here to read about about abortion, choice, war atrocities, opinions about "W" and the government - I come here to read about someone named Joni Mitchell. Since it doesn't appear that this list is about that anymore, I'm outta here. Unsubscribe, here I come. Ed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 07:38:01 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers 52 Freebies Will go to Cindy V in 'Bama & Steve P in 'waukee! They were the CLOSEST (no one seemed to know that Joni's character in "The Black Cat..." was named 'Paula Wilson'. This fact is revealed in the film when she is announced as the winner of the costume contest.) In a way I was pretty damn proud to find a piece of trivia that nobody, not even Deb Messling, knew! So congrats to Cindy & Steve...between these 2 freebies and all the Trains going on now, we've got Covers frisbees flying all over the world! Bob NP: Red Rider, "Lunatic Fringe" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 08:04:23 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list -- NJC edbeaujr@yahoo.com writes: << I come here to read about someone named Joni Mitchell. Since it doesn't appear that this list is about that anymore, I'm outta here. >> What a shame. We've all enjoyed your many contributions. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 08:08:08 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: from the onion -- NJC Bush To Iraqi Militants: 'Please Stop Bringing It On' WASHINGTON, DCbIn an internationally televised statement Monday, President Bush modified a July 2003 challenge to Iraqi militants attacking U.S. forces. "Terrorists, Saddam loyalists, and anti-American insurgents: Please stop bringing it on now," Bush said at a Monday press conference. "Nine months and 500 U.S. casualties ago, I may have invited y'all to bring it on, but as of today, I formally rescind that statement. I would officially like for you to step back." The president added that the "it" Iraqis should stop bringing includes gunfire, bombings, grenade attacks, and suicide missions of all types. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 08:35:48 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Re May 4 1970 NJC > Wally writes: > > << auntly? >> > > Yes, dear? Were you wondering if I would marry you on May 17, which happens > to be the first day of gay marriage in Massachusetts? I always wanted to be > the > spouse of a doctor, and I always needed that doctor to be a shrink! > > XO, > > --Bob > Would that be a Boston marriage?????" J. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 09:01:09 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list > Joni-folks(?), > > Well, it appears that the "NJC" concept has finally > broken down completely. Todays Joni-only digest had > exactly ONE email that had anything to do with Joni. How incorrect can you be? It shows that the NJC concept works EXACTLY as intended. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 09:02:00 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list -- NJC **What a shame. We've all enjoyed your many contributions. I'm speechless & shocked. The JMDL will never be the same, the silence is so full of sounds...it just feels so strange without Ed, just the comfort of knowing that he's out there, wasting time at work, or relaxing in his own home, reading our thoughts of Joni...and now he's gone. It's as if the world itself has ceased spinning on its axis. Smurf, you & I have had our share of spats over the years, but I know that we can agree on the void we feel now that our beloved Ed has made a sad request for us to kindly stay away. Bob, having a moment of silence NP: Bruce, "Mansion On The Hill" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:30:04 -0400 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: RE:Pro-Choice - NJC I am all for the pro-choice of choosing not to support abortion on demand - all strategies, all slants aside, the numbers translate to genocide - birth is not a thought, the creation of life is not a thought, neither is it the fast track down a New York subway - I used to be pro-choice BECAUSE I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT - time has a way of changing reflections especially when one can no longer have a viable pregnancy - my two cents offers to you to envision beyond your "now" and think about the strategy behind the promotion of abortion, think about the vanity in our choices on these issues S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:13:52 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: spoken for??? NJC if the gentleman proposes, i'll accept. wanna be best man, jerry? *W* > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Jerry > Notaro > Enviado el: Miercoles, 05 de Mayo de 2004 09:36 a.m. > Para: Smurfycopy@aol.com; wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; Joni List > Asunto: Re: Re May 4 1970 NJC > > > > Wally writes: > > > > << auntly? >> > > > > Yes, dear? Were you wondering if I would marry you on May 17, > which happens > > to be the first day of gay marriage in Massachusetts? I always > wanted to be > > the > > spouse of a doctor, and I always needed that doctor to be a shrink! > > > > XO, > > > > --Bob > > > Would that be a Boston marriage?????" > > J. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:37:14 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Re May 4 1970 NJC Jerry asks: << Would that be a Boston marriage????? >> Unfortunately, Jerry, neither *W* nor I has ever been named an honorary lesbian, so it would just be a run-of-the-mill marriage between a Boston virgin and an Argentinean cad. - --Mrs. Norman Maine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 07:49:57 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list Ed lamented: > Joni-folks(?), > > Well, it appears that the "NJC" concept has finally > broken down completely. Todays Joni-only digest had > exactly ONE email that had anything to do with Joni. Um ... Ed? The surest way to read something about Joni is to START A THREAD. Sorry to see you go, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:10:25 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Re May 4 1970 NJC darling, watch your verbs. i won't take any ungrammaticality in our married life. *W*, who will be missed by the fritz crowd > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Smurfycopy@aol.com > Enviado el: Miercoles, 05 de Mayo de 2004 11:37 a.m. > Para: notaro@stpt.usf.edu; Smurfycopy@aol.com; wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; > joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Re May 4 1970 NJC > > > Jerry asks: > > << Would that be a Boston marriage????? >> > > Unfortunately, Jerry, neither *W* nor I has ever been named an honorary > lesbian, so it would just be a run-of-the-mill marriage between a > Boston virgin and > an Argentinean cad. > > --Mrs. Norman Maine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:09:08 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list and "The Beau-ey" -- NJC Bob writes: << Smurf, you & I have had our share of spats over the years, but I know that we can agree on the void we feel now that our beloved Ed has made a sad request for us to kindly stay away. >> How profoundly odd. One moment our beloved Ed was here among us -- making Joni jokes, adding his brilliant insight to our Joni lyrics discussions, retelling the hilarious story of how he discovered Joni when he was thirteen, developing new tabs for some of the more obscure Joni song guitar tunings, flirting with everyone in the JMDL Dating Club -- and now, he's gone. What a strange, strange boy . . . In Ed's honor I propose that we all join together at this sad time and establish the Ed Beauchamp Memorial Joni Content Award (or "The Beau-ey") for the Jonilister who -- through his or her works, posts, and spirit -- diligently keeps alive the life and times of Joni Mitchell. For his work in the development of the legendary (and fun!) Joni Mitchell aeronautical toy -- AKA the Covers Frisbee -- I would like to nominate my brother in Joni, Bob Muller. At times like this we can only hold each other close and realize that our time here on this marbled bowling ball is briefer than a falling star -- and hope and pray that before that last revolving year is through we let each and every one of our fellow Jonilisters know how much they mean to us. I love you all, no matter where you stand on the "nacho liberation" issue. Good night, sweet Ed. XO, - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:15:44 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Re May 4 1970 NJC << darling, watch your verbs. i won't take any ungrammaticality in our married life. >> Damn! I had hoped no one would sees that! Blushing, - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:27:03 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Demise of the Joni-Only list and "The Beau-ey" -- NJC positively SHRIEKING!!!!!!!!!!! how come catherine hasn't written anything terribly insulting yet? cath, don't disappoint me... *W* > > At times like this we can only hold each other close and realize that our > time here on this marbled bowling ball is briefer than a falling > star -- and hope > and pray that before that last revolving year is through we let each and > every one of our fellow Jonilisters know how much they mean to us. > > I love you all, no matter where you stand on the "nacho liberation" issue. > > Good night, sweet Ed. > > XO, > > --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:27:22 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list and "The Beau-ey" -- NJC *W* writes: << how come catherine hasn't written anything terribly insulting yet? cath, don't disappoint me... >> Haven't you noticed? She's a night writer. She spends her days pretending to work for Canadian taxpayers. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:13:17 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: RE: Pro-Choice - NJC > I am all for the pro-choice of choosing not to support abortion on demand - > all strategies, all slants aside, the numbers translate to genocide - birth > is not a thought, the creation of life is not a thought, neither is it the > fast track down a New York subway - I used to be pro-choice BECAUSE I NEVER > THOUGHT ABOUT IT - time has a way of changing reflections especially when > one can no longer have a viable pregnancy - my two cents offers to you to > envision beyond your "now" and think about the strategy behind the promotion > of abortion, think about the vanity in our choices on these issues So ... in essence, you support the continued birth of babies born to certain people such as alcoholics and drug addicts who didn't plan for these children, don't want them, and will likely neglect or abuse them? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 16:10:46 +0000 From: "Kate Cox" Subject: Re: work njc Thank you for your kind reply Colin! And sorry to the person I mistakenly attributed the original post to. Also Marianne... I didn't want you to think I was offended at you for your original question!!! It's just somebody was asking me about what my boyfriend 'does' last night... so when I saw this post it really struck a chord! Peace and love Kate C >From: "tantra-apso" >To: "Kate Cox" , >Subject: Re: work njc >Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:06:55 +0100 > > >Kate Cox wrote: > >People often ask me, "What does your boyfriend > > do?". They look shocked at my inadequate answer to this question, and > > either the conversation stops there or they start judging him as 'lazy' > > and telling me I 'could do better'. > >It is such an offensive thing. Sometimes when people ask me that, I say 'i >am kept'! Of course it is natural when getting to know people to ask >questions about what they 'do' but there are ways to do it and a right time. >Another answer I give, the coward's one, is that I am knitwear designer. >That is true but it isn't my 'job'. It really depends on how i feel at the >time. > >Do not worry in anyway about lving in an 'unconventional' way. Life is short >and for you to enjoy and to live according to your conscience, not the >conscience of anyone else. It is not another's business to think you ought >to live differently. People tied up in convention are fearful. Of course >there are people who live very conventionally but because it suits them not >because they feel they have to for some 'approval'. A life lived according >to the views of others is a wasted life. > > >bw >colin >http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Half price modem, FREE connection and one month FREE - click here to sign up to BT Broadband. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 13:02:52 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list and "The Beau-ey" -- NJC **I would like to nominate my brother in Joni, Bob Muller. I can barely see my screen for the tears...I'm deeply touched, and I will hold the Beau-ey to my bosom with pride. (And by the way, if you leave them cd's in the sun for a couple days, they'll warp really good and you can do all lind of tricks with 'em.) I'm also starting the EBDL (Ed Beauchamp Discussion List) so that Ed's legacy will live on in the future discussions we'll have about Ed's life & times. It's the least I can do to pay back. Bob NP: Joni Mitchell, "I Had an Ed" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 18:46:40 +0100 From: "tantra_apso" Subject: OJ njc I interpreted Ed's post as meaning that in his last OJ digest, most of the posts were NJC but not marked as such. I went and had a look at the OJ archives. Ed was right. Lots of NJC posts not marked as such. The last digest did indeed only have one OJ post in it. We need to try harder to remember the tag. bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 14:16:40 -0400 From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list and "The Beau-ey" -- NJC I wrote: << I would like to nominate my brother in Joni, Bob Muller. >> And Muller replied: << I can barely see my screen for the tears...I'm deeply touched, and I will hold the Beau-ey to my bosom with pride. >> Hold on there, Bob. I have only *nominated* you for the first -- and extremely coveted -- "Beau-ey"! There may be other nominations, although you deserve truly this award, in my most hmble opinion. - --Smurf NP: Ed from Mountains, Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:45:28 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: disgusting war stuff, NJC EM wrote: The other thing was the complex nature of all what they set up. Strange scenes, creepie scenes, Hi Ya'll, This seems to me like just a trade off of one Saddam for another. Try to hide the dead, torture and humiliate people... Freedom? Where? Has anybody seen any lately? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:58:24 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: polite request, NJC Richard wrote: ...may I please make a polite request that we not resort to name-calling and adhominem attack here? Hi Richard! Thanks for your polite and intelligent request. I'll be doing my best to honor it. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:43:33 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: joni at the deli -- joni content! "Singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell seen at the deli at Beverly Glen and Mulholland." From << http://www.ent-today.com/potpourri/apr04/p043004_mt.htm >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:56:59 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: did anyone post this Australian News article already? Some Joni content of. perhaps, dubious value: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/26/1082831481811.html Richard Flynn Professor Dept. of Literature and Philosophy Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460-8023 E-mail: rflynn@georgiasouthern.edu Home page: http://www.GeorgiaSouthern.edu/~rflynn "We go to college to be given one more chance to learn to read in case we haven't learned in High School. Once we have learned to read, the rest can be trusted to add itself unto us." --Robert Frost ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 20:31:34 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Anita Gabrielle NJC Hi everyone! I just listened to Anita's CD yesterday and I wanted the Joni list (again) to know what a wonderful singer songerwriter Anita is! What a beautiful voice!! The thing I was most impressed with was the way captured the essence of herself in this recording. I could feel as I listened to the music that Anita was saying , singing and playing exactly what she wanted to say, sing, and play. I think that is the epitome of success; to do exactly what you want to do. My absolute favorite song on the CD was "Joan of Arc" followed by "Coming Alive" amd "(Your Love) Takes Me Back". Anita, thank you for the opportunity to hear such beautiful, heartfelt music. I encourage everyone to listen to this wonderful CD! Love, Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:30:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_4_May_1970_=A0NJC?= >Bob I just pray that those who were caught on film doing this stuff are just a bunch of bad seeds. REALLY sicko bad seeds. And that there is no more of that. That they've all been busted for their sadistic (and non consensual) perversion and cruelty.< I hope this is the case, however a NYT article says "More than two months after a classified Army report found that two contract workers were implicated in the abuse of Iraqis at a prison outside Baghdad, the companies that employ them say that they have heard nothing from the Pentagon, and that they have not removed any employees from Iraq." http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/04/international/middleeast/04CONT.html There is also the disturbing news that this information has been known for months & has been ignored "Until Tuesday, the Pentagon's top civilian and uniformed officials, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Richard B. Myers, said they had not read an investigative report on the matter  or been given copies of the graphic photographs that most of the nation has seen on television and in newspapers. Rumsfeld said Tuesday that he had seen a summary and recommendations from the investigation. Bush has yet to read it." http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/showcase/la-fg-blame5may05.story Which leads me to wonder, is this administration really that cold or that inept or maybe both... I don't know if anyone saw Rumsfeld on the today show... I didn't but my friend wrote to tell me how she was horrified at the lack of his ability to even imply any apology... He is as cold & as callous as any terrorist. Even moreso because of his position. God help us all. Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 21:54:58 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Some 'Artists' I would like to cover Joni I think we, as a collective, should write to the record company that manufactured the UK pop boy-band 'Blue' to cover an album of ENTIRELY Joni Mitchell songs. I'm sure they could do it. They could name their album after her. I would love to see Joni Mitchell - 'Blue' on the shelves next to Blue - 'Joni Mitchell'. Wouldn't that be cool? What a cross-over sales marketing ploy! Of course that would mean we would have to buy said album and have to listen to them in the charts. Which, apart from Joni's pocket going ch-ching, be a bad thing. Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 22:03:02 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Woman Beaters Has Joni ever dated a woman beater? I know I know I know, we shouldn't take her lines as being purely autobiography but just picking up on things from various albums, you knida wanna go, 'Oh, tell me more..' I mean from DED 'Lucky Girl' - Cheaters Woman beaters Huck Finn shucksters hopping parking meters' and obviously form 'TI' Not to Blame' - and I'm not going to quote anything because it's purely about woman beaters. Is this why Jackson Browne started ripping into her about being a bitter bitter person -because he felt personally attacked not once but TWICE in song? Makes you wonder... Not too much though, as you could go mad... Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 22:28:10 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Complete Geffen on Headphones Can I say that listening to DED, CMIARS, WTRF and NRH (but not as much) on headphones is an amazing thing. Maybe it's because I'm at work and that I have downloaded it onto my iTunes so I can while away the hours while I'm stuffing envelopes or inputting some dire health and safety issue (okay so what I do when I'm not acting is dull, but I'm sure it would be wrong of me to get it wrong as people's lives are at stake here) so listening to Joni just takes me away from it. But I have loads of other musicians on my iTunes and the quality just isn't the same. There are some people who come close, like Mingus or Miles Davis but putting a Kate Bush on next to a Joni just is like processed cheese next to brie. (Sorry Kate Bush fans, I'm not saying that Kate's music is processed, I love her music and her lyrics and her voice, I'm just saying that sonically, it's not that deep) It's the depth of the music on TCGR that is just amazing! Every cymbal crash every 'dup doop' of someone's congas is just crystal. And to think that these things were considered by Our Joan-Joan is just genius. Of course. As a fledgling guitarist and musician trying to come up with a credible melody that doesn't sound derivative or just dumb is unbelievably difficult. And to think she was able to go, 'No, this chord will follow this chord (or should that be 'discord') because I like the way it makes me feel, or it feels right for my mood or whatever AND THEN write lyrics for the damn thing and make me weep, makes me weep. I dunno, we have talented musicians on this list - Kate, Owen... is it a matter of just playing and writing and playing and writing and composing lots and not worry about it, even if it's sh!t, until you hit on gold, until your craft of hitting gold gets better so you can go , "no this is going up a thematic cul-de-sac, I should hit reverse". I'm not sure why I've got on to this subject, I should be looking at a Romeo & Juliet speech for Saturday morning, and re-writing a short play I'd written for Friday night. Much Joni Jamie Zoob ps. I'm not saying that Joni's music is like bire, but you know what I mean. Here's a poser - what cheese is Joni's music like? - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:36:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: A mother's letter NJC As mother's day approaches I think it is entirely appropriate to share this letter. The current events are overwhelming me with grief that is difficult to put into words. There is nothing in this world that I cherish as much as being with my son, holding his heart close to mine, hearing his voice & laugh, seeing his smile. I can't imagine the grief of those who have lost their children in this insane & senseless war. I pray with all my might that this madness end as soon as possible & that justice be brought to all who are responsible. >As managing editor of truthout, I get a lot of email and letters. In the last several months, dozens of these letters have come from the mothers, fathers, wives, husbands, brothers, sisters, children and friends of soldiers who have been killed in Iraq. One such letter reads as follows: "Dear Mr. Pitt, I must share with you the obituary I wrote for my son, Sgt. Evan Ashcraft, who was killed July 24 near Mosul. I often think of the contributions my intelligent, sensitive wonderful son could have made. He had so much potential. He told us that when he came back from Iraq he wanted to help people. He said he had seen so much hatred and death that the only way to live his life was through aid to others. Look at what we've lost. The loss is not just mine, it's the world's loss. Evan will always be alive in my heart. He and all the other victims of this heinous action in Iraq must be more than mere numbers emerging from the Pentagon's daily tally. His death is a crime against humanity" - this is a mother speaking, remember - "and the fault lies with the war criminals who inhabit our White House. Please share his story so that he may come alive to your readers." < http://truthout.org/docs_04/050504A.shtml Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 18:21:35 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Kurdistan, NJC Hi Ya'll, I don't know if the article below would fit under liberal or conservative American idealogy, but it doesn't matter to me because it sounds level headed. It was sent to my friend from a Kurd. When I read it, I found a glimmer of hope and thought it makes sense in how it suggests we ought to redirect our efforts. At any rate... I want the war OVER. Love, Laura My friend wrote me: I thought you might find this article interesting. It is from a Kurdish friend of ours Kate and I know from Colorado Springs. The article reflects a Kurdish perspective of the goings-on in Iraq. Enjoy--Chuck No one starts a war - or rather, no one in his sense ought to do so - withou first being clear in his mind what he intends to achieve by that war and how he intends to conduct it. (Carl Von Clausewitz,Vom Kriege) Kurds' success provides lesson for rest of Iraq By Ralph Peters The garbage truck was inspiring. Making the early morning rounds, its energetic crew collected the trash from a tidy residential street in a hopeful city booming with construction sites. That wouldn't be a big deal in America. But this was in Iraq. While the media concentrate on the combat and confusion to the south, I recently visited the north of the country, where Iraq's 5 million Kurds have brou ght off a near miracle: They've built a financially efficient, rule-of-law democracy in the Middle East. Elsewhere, the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) spends billions to keep a failed state on life support. While the rest of Iraq's population wallows in the region's addiction to blame, the Kurds have rolled up their sleeves and gone to work. There is a lesson here for Iraq -- and U.S. policymakers, who insist on keeping Kurdistan a part of that blood-soaked country. This month, in the Arab sections of central and southern Iraq, insurgents, religious extremists and international terrorists indulged in an orgy of kidnapping and killing of U.S. troops. Yet, in the north lies Suleimaniye. Here, in the capital of one of the two Kurdish regional governments, officials are writing zoning laws, demanding environmental impact statements from builders and making education funding a priority. In the streets, women walk freely and safely, dressed any way they wish. Only a minority choose Islamic garb -- head scarves, not veils. The regional prime minister, Barham Salih, wants to increase the number of female government officials, describing them as ''harder working'' than men and ''utterly incorruptible.'' And there are no forced marriages. Just over 45% of the university students are women. Males and females study side by side. Internet use is free to all students. There is no censorship or political influence on campus. Not one of the oil-rich Gulf states rivals this still-poor country's educational freedom -- or standards. There's a department of religious studies, but it's only one of 16 departments (and far from the most popular). Still, the Kurdish government isn't content. It hopes to build a world-class ''American'' university to develop its human capital. As the rest of Iraq threatens to implode, the Kurds are racing against time to develop their infrastructure and provide opportunities for their population. International business is welcome, contractors aren't murdered, and even the Turks, longtime opponents of the Kurds, are investing. If only the Kurds had a disaster or two, then someone might tell their story. Of course, the Kurds do face significant problems. After decades of underinvestment, a growing economy has overtaxed the power system. Refined petroleum products have to be imported -- in an oil-rich country. And hundreds of thousands of internal refugees, displaced by Saddam Hussein, face uncertain futures. The biggest problem, though, is Washington's insistence that Kurdistan remain part of Iraq. The Kurds are doing their best to support our policies, despite skepticism about the country's future. They're determined that, if Iraq disintegrates, they won't be to blame. They want to make us happy, almost desperately. If anyone believes that no good came of deposing the old regime, he or she should talk to the Kurds. For them, generations of oppression, ethnic cleansing, torture and massacre ended when Saddam's statue fell. But with hostile powers on their borders, their future security depends on America's goodwill. As terrorists campaign to drive the U.S. from the Middle East, the Kurds are begging for U.S. military bases on their territory. When American politicians of either party describe the Middle East they'd like to see, they're describing the Kurdistan that already exists -- in fact, if not in law. Yet, coalition authorities in Baghdad devote their efforts to holding a Frankenstein's monster of a country together -- just as we and our allies earlier tried to force Yugoslavia to remain whole -- while ignoring what the Kurds have already achieved. Instead of supporting our only friends in Iraq, we try to please implacable enemies by pouring billions of taxpayer dollars into cities whose people assassinate U.S. soldiers. An ironclad military rule is ''Don't reinforce failure. Reinforce success.'' In the attempted reconstruction of Iraq, our policy is just the opposite. Diplomats always have plenty of ''good'' reasons for doing the wrong things. Borders can't change; stability must be achieved; regional sensibilities must be taken into account -- the list of reasons why we cannot live up to our own professed ideals and support Kurdish self-determination is nearly endless. But a moment of truth is approaching: Either we support democracy, or we don't. Why not hold a referendum? Why not let the Kurds decide their own future? The United States needs to be clear: America isn't failing the rest of Iraq. The Iraqis are failing themselves. The war to depose Saddam handed them an opportunity no other power would have or could have given them. If, despite the U.S. investment of blood and treasure, Iraq's Arabs decide to squander their chance for a peaceful and prosperous future, there may be painfully little the United States can do about it. But where freedom, the rule of law and democracy already exist, the United States should offer its support. There are three things the United States can and should do for the Kurds: guarantee their long-term security against neighboring countries; ensure that they receive their fair share of reconstruction aid and Iraq's oil revenue; and, if the rest of Iraq pursues bloodshed and destruction, support an independent Kurdish state. Kurdistan isn't Iraq. Go there and see. Ralph Peters is the author of "Beyond Baghdad: Postmodern War and Peace". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:23:30 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Funny Diana Krall review from amazon vljc They're the worst. People who think no good music has been recorded since 1966 and lament that they can't get pre-recorded reel to reel tapes anymore to play on their 'hi-fi.' It thought it was pretty funny too, but who can take someone seriously who has that much of a spleen to vent? On May 3, 2004, at 2:26 PM, Kay Ashley wrote: > Ken wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:52:20 -0400 >> From: Ken >> Subject: Re: Funny Diana Krall review from amazon vljc >> >> I have only one question to ask. To really validate what he doesn't >> like >> you need to know what he DOES like. >> My question is who does he like. The response I'm afraid will probably >> be Celine Dion or Nicleback. >> (btw if that [Nicleback] is spelled wrong ,who really cares). >> K > > I thought this review was a riot -- but I have to say that I doubt > this guy > likes Celin Dion or Nickleback. I doubt the typical Celine or > Nickleback > fan would have such a sophisticated vocabulary, but perhaps I am being > unfair. My money is on a self-appointed jazz expert, someone who has > no > patience for cross-over types. > > :-) > > Kay > > _____________________________________________________________ > > The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential > and > may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please > destroy > this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the > sender > immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any > purpose, nor disclose all or any part of its content to any other > person. > > ==================================================== "See, the human mind is like a...pinata. Break it open, and there's a lot of surprises inside. Once you get the pinata perspective, you see that losing your mind can be a peak experience." - --Trudy (Lily Tomlin) from "The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe" Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:28:46 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Sharing Joni Around Over the years, I've given a couple of friends Joni albums for birthday gifts, and had generally good responses from the people in question. A good friend just turned 40 a couple of weeks ago and I bought him "Blue" and "Hejira," which I thought he would find interesting and meaningful. A couple of days later he left me a phone message and said "I can't get: 'We don't need no piece of paper from the city hall Keepin us tied and true' out of my head." But then I felt like he really GOT Joni, when, a few days later he said that while he liked Blue, he REALLY like Hejira. I almost asked him to marry me right then (which is ironic considering the quote above!) Cheers, Mike ==================================================== "Heart and humor, and humility, he said, will lighten up your heavy load." - --Joni Mitchell, 'Refuge of the Roads,' from "Hejira", 1976 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 18:29:21 -0400 From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: RE: Pro-Choice - NJC > I am all for the pro-choice of choosing not to support abortion on demand -> all strategies, all slants aside, the numbers translate to genocide - birth> is not a thought, the creation of life is not a thought, neither is it the> fast track down a New York subway - I used to be pro-choice BECAUSE I NEVER> THOUGHT ABOUT IT - time has a way of changing reflections especially when> one can no longer have a viable pregnancy - my two cents offers to you to> envision beyond your "now" and think about the strategy behind the promotion> of abortion, think about the vanity in our choices on these issues all very good reasons for you to never have an abortion...not clear however where it gives you the right to make that decision for everyone else. as the father of two daughters, who have been taught to respect themselves, and their bodies, not to mention the rights of others, i find your position incomprehensible. perhaps you could explain. seriously, i'm fascinated, in a morbid, self-defeating kind of way, at how individuals such as yourself arrive at such lofty positions of authority, that you would dare to presume to take away my daughter's right to make their own decisions about their bodies. perhaps, as a man, i can't really know this for sure, but i find it very unlikely that ANY woman approaches abortion with the kind of careless disregard you seem to think they do. are you projecting YOUR approach to such grave decisions on the other members of your gender? or does it just make it easier for you to feel morally superior to others, so far less evolved than you? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 16:39:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: iTunes conundrum/tech/ NJC OK I bought my first song from iTunes today. We got a new 'puter at work that can run the version of iTunes that can access the iTunes "store". So I created my account, found my song and downloaded it. Played fine on the iTunes player at work. But it is an ".m4p" file - not an .mp3. Whats up with that? Anybody have a clue for me?? So anyway, I emailed the file to myself here at home..and none of my players, quicktime, iTunes or Audion - nothing will touch this ".m4p" file. So I am snorting with indignation! well its like the kid, Ingmar, in "My Life As a Dog" says..."you've GOT to compare". Could be like Leica the space dog, doomed to die stranded in space. Could have a sadistic little cigarette smoking american a__hole soldier-girl laughing at me and forcing me to "abuse" my own body against my will while I am a war prisoner... could be ALOT worse things than having purchased a 99 cent song file and having it not play on my somewhat elderly but usually very functional "iTunes". Anybody got a clue for me? Thanks! :) Em ===== ........... "thats just the scale; the fish come later". ;) Norman Blake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 00:58:39 +0100 From: "o" Subject: Re: Subject:--Breaking Nyronews!!! Now SJC Fantastic! I hope the recording isn't too bad... Incidentally in Mojo about 6 years ago it was reported that a live album of Joni was about to be released from the '76 tour, with songs from hissing and hejira and some DJRD - obviously it never materialised... I always wondered why not. Anyway, a Nyro recording from this era is gonna be a miracle! o www.owenduff.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 01:19:40 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Joni on 'Sorry I Haven't A Clue' BBC archive I was listening online to the BBC archive of 'Sorry I Haven't a Clue' which is a game show which I do't think is on air any longer. Well, one of the games the contestants have to sing along with a track until they stop playing the track and have to keep going and see if they are still with the track once they bring it back up again. Of course it's very funny to see these stalwarts of British comedy doing their thing to Ricky Martin's 'Livin La Vida Loca'. click on the url: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/ and click on 'Launch radio player. I think it's a realplayer so that should play on most people's systems. ONce it's launched click on comedy and quizzes section and then 'Classic I'm sorry I haven't a Clue' Very funny even if Joni's on it briefly Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 17:45:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Beauchamp Subject: Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list Hi Lori, Thanks for replying. Sorry, I can see I wasn't as clear as I'd intended to be. The Joni-only digest I referred to had only one Joni-related post, but many non-Joni posts. What I was lamenting was the fact that this has become a real trend lately (you might not realize this, as I suspect you're not a Joni-only). It's getting more difficult to wade though this socio-political stuff to get to the Joni content - which is what I subscribed to the Joni-only list for in the first place. See what I mean? Even as a lurker, this list once had incredible value to me - I've learned so much from it because you all know so much more than I do about Joni. My appreciation for her has grown tremendously as a result. Sure, I could start a thread, as you suggested, and that might add more Joni content, but it wouldn't reduce the non-Joni content, and isn't that the real problem? So, my point is simply that the Joni-only list is no longer Joni-only. The non-Joni posts seem to be outnumbering and overpowering the Joni posts and I just don't have the time to sort through all of the extraneous stuff any more. Peace, Ed - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Ed lamented: > > > Joni-folks(?), > > > > Well, it appears that the "NJC" concept has > finally > > broken down completely. Todays Joni-only digest > had > > exactly ONE email that had anything to do with > Joni. > > > Um ... Ed? The surest way to read something about > Joni is to START A THREAD. > > Sorry to see you go, > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 21:08:58 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Demise of the Joni-Only list As someone who was guilty of accidentally posting one message without the NJC tag, I apologize. But doesn't the Joni-only list recognize that tag and filter out the messages that cary the NJC tag? Most of the political messages seem to have NJC in the subject heading. Or perhaps I misunderstand how it works. If it works the way I think it does, we just need another NJC reminder to keep Ed & other onlies happy, right? Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Ed Beauchamp Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 8:46 PM To: Lori Fye Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Demise of the Joni-Only list Hi Lori, Thanks for replying. Sorry, I can see I wasn't as clear as I'd intended to be. The Joni-only digest I referred to had only one Joni-related post, but many non-Joni posts. What I was lamenting was the fact that this has become a real trend lately (you might not realize this, as I suspect you're not a Joni-only). It's getting more difficult to wade though this socio-political stuff to get to the Joni content - which is what I subscribed to the Joni-only list for in the first place. See what I mean? Even as a lurker, this list once had incredible value to me - I've learned so much from it because you all know so much more than I do about Joni. My appreciation for her has grown tremendously as a result. Sure, I could start a thread, as you suggested, and that might add more Joni content, but it wouldn't reduce the non-Joni content, and isn't that the real problem? So, my point is simply that the Joni-only list is no longer Joni-only. The non-Joni posts seem to be outnumbering and overpowering the Joni posts and I just don't have the time to sort through all of the extraneous stuff any more. Peace, Ed - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Ed lamented: > > > Joni-folks(?), > > > > Well, it appears that the "NJC" concept has > finally > > broken down completely. Todays Joni-only digest > had > > exactly ONE email that had anything to do with > Joni. > > > Um ... Ed? The surest way to read something about > Joni is to START A THREAD. > > Sorry to see you go, > Lori ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #208 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)