From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #200 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 30 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 200 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- california NJC ["mike pritchard" ] soldiers who died, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: more covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: soldiers who died, njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: microsoft word njc, nowmuller's dotage [Em ] Re: LOGO CONTEST!!!!!!!!! [Claud9 ] Re: microsoft word njc, nowmuller's dotage [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Library Links/Rock and Roll Hall of Fame videos?? njc [Em ] Re: soldiers who died, njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: more covers [Jerry Notaro ] Re: microsoft word njc, nowmuller's dotage [Smurfycopy@aol.com] RE: microsoft word njc, nowmuller's dotage [Catherine McKay ] re: njc, patti smith/now rambling about stuff/long [Em ] RE: njc, patti smith/now rambling about stuff/long [Garret Subject: california NJC The Economist has a special report on California this week (May 1st issue) if anyone over there wants to know (or cares) what the Economist thinks of California. mike in bcn NPIHM California |ber alles by Disposable heroes of hiphopcrisy (+ jelly Biafra sample, of course). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:10:57 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: soldiers who died, njc I heard that today (don't know what time) on the Ted Koppel (sp?) news show, Ted Koppel is going to read the list of the 700+ American soldiers who haved died in Iraq. I am not sure about pictures. I think this is good. It is a reality and I think we should understand and see war for what it is. I wish they would list the innocent civilians too. One of our local progressive Rochester newspapers has recently dedicated a small weekly column to listing the war dead in Iraq and Afghanistan. They list the soldiers and the civilians. I feel this is a good thing to do. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:21:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: more covers **kd lang will be covering Jericho and Case of You on her upcoming CD -- turning out to be another great cover year for Joni** Wow - amazing! Of course I can vouch for the fact that every year is pretty much a good cover year for Joni, but this year is really pulling high-profile folks out of the woodwork. We all know that kd loves Joni and I can't wait to hear her version of Jericho - hot diggity! I love the fact that everyone seems to be putting TWO Joni covers on their releases...double the pleasure, double the fun. Thanks for the news, Bryan!! Bob NP: Todd Rundgren, "Happy Anniversary" (am I the only one here that is digging this exciting new one from the Toddster? It's a 'concept' album that examines lies and our culture...the cover shows Todd dressed up as the Easter Bunny and his premise is that we're told so many lies as a child that we become immune to them and become liars ourselves. I don't know if he was inspired by the current administration or not.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:27:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: soldiers who died, njc **I heard that today (don't know what time) on the Ted Koppel (sp?) news show, Ted Koppel is going to read the list of the 700+ American soldiers who haved died in Iraq.** Our ABC affiliate has banned this broadcast. We'll probably get a Monster Truck Rally instead. Welcome to South Carolina. Like you I think this is a very good thing, Marianne...remember the Life magazine that showed the week's dead in Vietnam? I remember seeing it as a kid and getting very emotional about it. The current administration believes that naming names is disrespectful to those who have been murdered. Bullshit. Bob NP: Todd Rundgren, "Soul Brother" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 04:36:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: microsoft word njc, nowmuller's dotage How about calling the radio station to request a song..and when someone comes on the line you forget what song you wanted? << shakin' my head >> :) Em Happy Friday!! - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > oooooooooohhhhhhh this so sweet!!!!!!!!!!!! > > as to dotage, i forgot my BEST FRIEND'S NAME during a party a few > weeks ago. > i was going to say something to him and i had this TOTAL memory > lapse. no > one can beat that. i'm the most senile of us all. period. > > *W*, home cumming queen > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > > SCJoniGuy@aol.com > > Enviado el: Jueves, 29 de Abril de 2004 10:22 p.m. > > Para: joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: Re: microsoft word njc, nowmuller's dotage > > > > > > **This is so pathetic -- old AND alone. ** > > > > Well, I'm enjoying the next best thing - living vicariously! > > > > http://www.sjhigh.org/cgi-bin/viewnews.cgi?id=1083187829 > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Patti Smith, "Gandhi" (this new one is as good as Gung Ho > > which I never > > would have believed!) ===== ........... "thats just the scale; the fish come later". ;) Norman Blake __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:37:07 +0200 From: Claud9 Subject: Re: LOGO CONTEST!!!!!!!!! I think there are little limitiations. I think all items produced so far where all 4 color process meaning all colors can be reproduced. Hope this helps. Just remember that very fine details can get lost when reproduced in a small size. Claudia on 4/30/04 00:07, Em at emzdogz@yahoo.com wrote: > is there a place online where the "constraints" are stated? Like how > many colors may it use? Spot color only?? I guess I'm thinking no > process printing..or? What sorts of items must the design be used on? > Just a poster??or must it be adaptable to other stuff? > I'm thinking I can't get it together for this, and it might be butt > ugly anyway..but I'm interested in knowing the "requirements" re: color > use and such. > :) > thx! > Em > > --- Claud9 wrote: >> Hi all you creative procrastinators ;-))) >> >> As far as I know, we are on the very slim side of submissions. We >> only have >> a few contributions so far and I thank those who have submitted their >> work. >> As you all know the dealine is MAY 3!!!!!!!! Yes, you have the >> entire >> weekend to still get something together. >> Then it will be time to vote.... >> >> Make yourself immortal and enter your inspirations for the most >> WONDERFUL >> logo for Jonifest 2004 to: logocontest@jmdl.com >> Please note: logo entries should not be sent to my address, but to >> Les9s >> (JMDL). >> >> Don9t miss this chance --Just imagine what all you can end up on! ;-) >> Claud > > > ===== > ........... > "thats just the scale; the fish come later". > ;) > Norman Blake > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:48:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: microsoft word njc, nowmuller's dotage **How about calling the radio station to request a song..and when someone comes on the line you forget what song you wanted?** Two words, Em: "FREE BIRD!!!!" Bob NP: Todd, "Past" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 04:55:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Library Links/Rock and Roll Hall of Fame videos?? njc > 1997: "Joni Mitchell New Hall of Famer will be absent" - Toronto Sun > (News Item) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=139 Was just reading this article, and there's something I've been wanting to find out - thought someone here might know. Are video tapes available of past Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction nights? I looked on their website one time, didn't see any such a thing there. I inevitably miss it when they show it on VH1. Have managed to catch a couple airings over the years though, and they were so great I would love to actually own them on tape. CCR's induction comes to mind (damn I love that John Fogerty), as well as when the USC Marching Band marched in to help Fleetwood Mac out with "TUSK". TRULY memorable. So if anybody knows a source, I would love to know too! Thanks! I mean I'm not a really "marching band" kind of a person, but when that happened it was really a rush...it ellicited a heartfelt "whoaaaa!!" from me along with raised little hairs and gooseflesh. Was delightful, I could say. :) thx agin'. Em ===== ........... "thats just the scale; the fish come later". ;) Norman Blake __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:01:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: microsoft word njc, nowmuller's dotage - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Two words, Em: > > "FREE BIRD!!!!" LMAO Bob! you're one of "them"!!! My friends in bands back in the early 80's lived in perpetual fear and revulsion of the "Freebirdistas". .....the other one would be "Stairway to Heaven". Wonder what "they" yell nowadays? hmmm..maybe they still yell "FREE BIRD!!!!" dunno about up there where you are, but down here it kind never went away. :) Em ===== ........... "thats just the scale; the fish come later". ;) Norman Blake __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:04:08 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: soldiers who died, njc > **I heard that today (don't know what time) on the Ted Koppel (sp?) news > show, > Ted Koppel is going to read the list of the 700+ American soldiers who haved > died in Iraq.** > > > Our ABC affiliate has banned this broadcast. We'll probably get a Monster > Truck Rally instead. > > Welcome to South Carolina. > > Like you I think this is a very good thing, Marianne...remember the Life > magazine that showed the week's dead in Vietnam? I remember seeing it as a kid > and > getting very emotional about it. The current administration believes that > naming names is disrespectful to those who have been murdered. Bullshit. And when the muckrakers tried to did into the politics of the producing company owner to prove he was part of the left wing, Kerry conspiracy, turns out his only contributions have been to the Bush-Cheney campaign. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:05:34 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: more covers > **kd lang will be covering Jericho and Case of You on her upcoming CD -- > turning out to be another great cover year for Joni** I have tickets to see her with the Florida Orchestra in 2 weeks. Maybe, just maybe............ Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:06:36 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: microsoft word njc, nowmuller's dotage Old Man Muller writes: << Two words, Em: "FREE BIRD!!!!" >> Hey, Gramps! If you mean the song by the late Lynyrd Skynrd, it's ONE word: "Freebird." Have a lovely day, - --Smurf, who remembers everything -- except where his keys are ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:22:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: microsoft word njc, nowmuller's dotage --- Em wrote: > How about calling the radio station to request a > song..and when someone > comes on the line you forget what song you wanted? > << shakin' my head >> > :) > Em > Happy Friday!! That's not necessarily old age, Em. You call any place and you're on hold so long that you start doing something else while you're waiting. Then you put the phone on speaker so you can have your hands free to write a grocery list or something, while on-hold music plays in the background. Then you decide you've got time to go and get a coffee. You come back and either they've answered and hung up on you because you're not there, or the music on-hold is still playing. You try to turn off the radio - and for some reason, it won't go off! You have a few frantic moments trying to understand why your electronic devices have decided to go haywire on you. Then you hear this voice saying, "Hello? hello?" You realize it's the phone so you pick it up. If the person hasn't hung up on you by now, you have to ask, "Who's calling?" because, by this point, you've completely forgotten who you were calling or why. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:06:25 +0100 From: Garret Subject: re: njc, patti smith and george w. bush Patti (the newbie, not smith) welcome to our little list, it is good to make your acquaintance. A few people on this list may have noticed that i just *love* Patti Smith (for me music peaks with Joni and Patti, then Nina Simone and Tom Waits, and only then everyone else), but i can't read french:-( If you took some time to translate that article i would really love to read it! When i saw Patti in concert in Shepherd's Bush last year (most amazing gig ever!) she turned the Amercian Declaration of Independence into an indictment of Bush and then ran this into her song Rock N Roll Nigger, it was one of the most sublime concert experiences ever! My partner, who doesn't like Patti too much but came along anyway, was quite moved by that (he's of the legal/logical persuasion with a thing for Dolly Parton and thinks dear Patti looks like a man). I have this show bootlegged and would love to burn it for people but don't have a burner. It is great. She opens with Land "horses. horses. horses" and plays a long, great set. Set list: Land, To Children (Hermann Hesse), Where Duty Calls, Kimberley, Dead City, Redondo Beach, Notes, december 1974/ Break It Up, 1959, Beneath The Southern Cross, The Lamb (Blake), Boy Cried Wolf, Summer Cannibals, 25th Floor, Free Money, "August 11th, the death of Jackson Pollock" (poem), Seven Ways Of Going, Wing, Frederick, December, Dancing Barefoot, Because The Night, Pissing In A River, PHTP, The Unanimous Declaration Of The Thirteen United States Of America (version), RR Nigger. (this was the concert that Patti came off the stage into the crowd to shake hands. she didn't shake mine and was about to climb back onto the stage so i got my friend Donna - quite the loud young irish lady- to call Patti! it worked, she came over, shook our hands and then got carried away with the moment and took to the stairs and went up to the next level among the crowd while the band just played dancing barefoot for a couple of minutes without her. her hands were very soft and she was much shorter than i expected - just love to tell that story:-) yup, i'll stop now, plug of the day ended! I am thrilled senseless that i will have my hands on Patti's new album shortly! and am very glad that Bob is enjoying it - surely a good sign if one was needed:-) GARRET np- Simon & Garfunkel, Only Living Boy in New York - ------------------------------ Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:59:36 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, patti smith and george w. bush There is an article on Patti Smith in the latest (4/28/04) issue of "le nouvel Observateur" (a French magazine, sorta like our "Newsweek"). It just crossed my desk and I look forward to reading it and learning more about her. A photo caption has a quote from her: "In "Radio Bagdad", I tried to express the powerless rage of an Iraqi mother the night when the Americans unleashed their deluge of fire." (loosely translated). If you like Patti Smith and can read French, you should check it out. (C'est toi, Catherine of Toronto, n'est-ce pas? And you know there may be more!) If you can't read French and really really want to read it, let me know and I'll translate it if there is enough interest. Don't hesiitate to ask -- the practice would be good for me and, as they say: "anything for the CAUSE!" - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 06:00:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: re: njc, patti smith/now rambling about stuff/long Morning Garret and Patti, Patti Smith has been major for me as well, although I find her stuff after Wave to be not that great. Maybe its just "me". In the late 70's I saw her here in Tampa, opening for Bob Seger (I was not there to see Bob Seger) and anyway, it was a hell of a night..she was big into the "spinning" thing back then..she'd just spin and spin on stage...and she just spun...right off the stage and hurt herself pretty badly. My friend and I were very freaked. Then later a couple years, when I was living in Cologne, she had an exhibition of her artwork at a galerie. My (then) gf managed to get us invites to the opening, so I bought the catalog and Patti signed it for me, as well as a copy of "Babel". To me, and I'm picky, Patti Smith and Janis Joplin are/were the only real big time female rock and rollers. The only heavyweights that were truly "rock and roll". So then people say well what about Joan Jett?? and I'm like sheesh...no way man. Wonder what my prejudice is? Surely JJ lives the rock and roll lifestyle..why do I not want to include her??? hmm will have to examine my motivation...maybe its just cuz I'm not fond of her style. But the old Patti Smith group was a hell of a band. They could slash and burn too, but mostly were just really well versed in rock, pop/rock. Delicious stuff. Reminds me of that tune "Affection" by Steven Van Zandt, in his "lost Boys" band..has kinda the same sound. Reminds me of in "Almost Famous" they have Lester Bangs saying to William that rock and roll is over...hmmm..so when did Lester Bangs die? Did he ever write about Patti Smith group? maybe he was already dead by then.. anyone? anyway, please excuse the conversational tone of this post..just wanting to volley and jam a bit about good music. Em ps: one more Patti anecdote, and this was just this last Thanksgiving. I was in a tattoo place in Tucson getting a monkey, looking through the artist's portfolio and she had done a tattoo drawing on someone of Patti Smith - obviously the "Horses" cover photo. So I say to my bud that was there with me.."hey I drew that way back when", cuz I did, I did a big ol pencil drawing of it when I was about 16...and then my bud, who I had no clue was a PS fan too says, "hey I drew that TOO!" LOL!!!!!!! so that made 3 of us in that shop that day, women, who'd ALL drawn the PS portrait from the "Horses" album cover...tickled the heck outta me. - --- Garret wrote: > Patti (the newbie, not smith) welcome to our little list, it is good > to make > your acquaintance. > > A few people on this list may have noticed that i just *love* Patti > Smith (for > me music peaks with Joni and Patti, then Nina Simone and Tom Waits, > and only > then everyone else),...snip.... ===== ........... "thats just the scale; the fish come later". ;) Norman Blake __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:04:49 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: microsoft word njc, nowmuller's dotage, now Smurf's dotage **If you mean the song by the late Lynyrd Skynrd, it's ONE word: "Freebird."** According to who, Smurf? The shuffleboard and Mah Jong crowd you hang out with? I don't see any evidence that LS ever recorded it as a one-word title, always as 2 words. Perhaps your addled brain is thinking of "Firebird" which is the title of a Stravinsky piece, also the name of a car that you would look silly driving. I say (and I'll bet Em is with me) that the correct title of the Lynyrd Skynyrd classic is "Free Bird" - two words. Even common sense says that 'Free' is a word, 'Bird' is a word, but 'Freebird' is not. That's enough from me - you can go back to sucking on your dish of creamed cale now. Bob NP: Son Volt, "Flow" (or is it "Fl Ow"?) PS: One more outburst like this, and it's to the KILL FILE! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:07:00 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: more covers - kd's new one NJC kd's upcoming CD (due out this summer) is titled "Hymns of the 49th Parallel" and is a tribute to Canadian songwriters. Not an original idea, but always a good one. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 06:25:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: microsoft word njc, nowmuller's dotage, now Smurf's dotage/ now kobeer - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I say (and I'll bet Em is with me) that the correct title of > the Lynyrd Skynyrd classic is "Free Bird" - two words. Even > common sense says that 'Free' is a word, 'Bird' is a word, but > 'Freebird' is not. I just think it was 2 words..but it got said sooooo much, sooo many times by soooooo many drunk people, that it "became" one word for all practical purposes. Just like "cold beer" became and remains "kobeer". As in lets get some kobeers. (and some 'sters, but hopefully no "two biters") ;P Em Ps "sters" = raw oysters, so good with a sunburn and kobeer when you called in sick and went fishing instead ===== ........... "thats just the scale; the fish come later". ;) Norman Blake __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:10:43 +0100 From: Garret Subject: re: njc, patti smith/now rambling about stuff/long Well hi there Em, no apologies accepted for the "covnersational tone", that's what makes this more than just emails. the 1970's PSG was a great band. the energy in the live recordings is awesome. i wish i could have been around to have appreciated them then, as with Joni Mitchell. IS the show you're talking about the one where she broke her neck? and was then out of comission for quite some time? I've seen her five times in the last three years (and once more in july) and she doesn't really spin now! she still has more energy than most on stage! she kind of drifts off into a trance at times, and that's when you know she's going to turn the energy level up, make some feedback and rock the arse off you. first time i saw her, 2001, i was shocked that she could be bounding around the stage like that. i kept trying to imagine my mother, who is 13 years her junior, and patti seemed so young on stage ("so goddamn yoooouuung"). Wave i'm not very fond of to be honest, it's ok. something too slick about it. they had sort of hit the big time with Easter, and wave struck me as trying to live into the big stadium rock image that built up around them. of course, that wasn't what Patti wanted and she got out of there to become a mother, having given her message, carried out her mission or whatever it is she likes to say. i do love certain tracks, dancing barefoot anyone?, but overall it may be my least favourite. the 90's work is different, she has a whole different set of concerns, and has been veering towards some slower songs lately. but i think the band play tighter than ever. i would like to see her play around with some different producers, but hey, i love what she's doing and that's not a big complaint. i find her quite inspirational. not that i agree with everything she says, but i think it's great that someone is saying these things. it's her passion and conviction that i most admire. can't tell you much about lester bangs; but i'm sure someone on the list can. i think i'm with you about joan jett. opinion is not really formed, so i'm taking that as a negative. Janis, well, yea, she is rock n roll. i have only been listening to Janis in a fairly part time capacity for a few years, but the more i listen, the more i love it. so, are there any other real female rockers? i'm sure there are, but i can't think right now. GARRET ps- it's mid-afternoon here:-) and i love the anecdote in the tattoo studio! Quoting Em : > Morning Garret and Patti, > Patti Smith has been major for me as well, although I find her stuff > after Wave to be not that great. Maybe its just "me". > In the late 70's I saw her here in Tampa, opening for Bob Seger (I was > not there to see Bob Seger) and anyway, it was a hell of a night..she > was big into the "spinning" thing back then..she'd just spin and spin > on stage...and she just spun...right off the stage and hurt herself > pretty badly. My friend and I were very freaked. > Then later a couple years, when I was living in Cologne, she had an > exhibition of her artwork at a galerie. My (then) gf managed to get us > invites to the opening, so I bought the catalog and Patti signed it for > me, as well as a copy of "Babel". > To me, and I'm picky, Patti Smith and Janis Joplin are/were the only > real big time female rock and rollers. The only heavyweights that were > truly "rock and roll". > So then people say well what about Joan Jett?? and I'm like sheesh...no > way man. Wonder what my prejudice is? Surely JJ lives the rock and roll > lifestyle..why do I not want to include her??? hmm will have to examine > my motivation...maybe its just cuz I'm not fond of her style. > But the old Patti Smith group was a hell of a band. They could slash > and burn too, but mostly were just really well versed in rock, > pop/rock. Delicious stuff. Reminds me of that tune "Affection" by > Steven Van Zandt, in his "lost Boys" band..has kinda the same sound. > Reminds me of in "Almost Famous" they have Lester Bangs saying to > William that rock and roll is over...hmmm..so when did Lester Bangs > die? Did he ever write about Patti Smith group? maybe he was already > dead by then.. anyone? > anyway, please excuse the conversational tone of this post..just > wanting to volley and jam a bit about good music. > Em > ps: one more Patti anecdote, and this was just this last Thanksgiving. > I was in a tattoo place in Tucson getting a monkey, looking through the > artist's portfolio and she had done a tattoo drawing on someone of > Patti Smith - obviously the "Horses" cover photo. So I say to my bud > that was there with me.."hey I drew that way back when", cuz I did, I > did a big ol pencil drawing of it when I was about 16...and then my > bud, who I had no clue was a PS fan too says, "hey I drew that TOO!" > LOL!!!!!!! so that made 3 of us in that shop that day, women, who'd ALL > drawn the PS portrait from the "Horses" album cover...tickled the heck > outta me. > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:28:32 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: njc, was muller's dotage, now Smurf's razor-sharp mind With regard to my assertion that "Freebird" is one word, ancient, addled Muller writes: << According to who, Smurf? The shuffleboard and Mah Jong crowd you hang out with? >> I will assume you mean "According to *whom*, Pops. Guess you forgot, huh? Shuffleboard and Mah Jong? Ha! Not since I have been hanging with Maggie, who has me in TRAINING. (And no, I don't mean TRAINING PANTS, Muller. Ha ha!) Muller adds: << the correct title of the Lynyrd Skynyrd classic is "Free Bird" - two words. Even common sense says that 'Free' is a word, 'Bird' is a word, but 'Freebird' is not. >> Well, Muller, just because you went to grade school with Daniel Webster and knew him personally doesn't mean you know Jack about today's hottest music trends. Get with it! Why, Lynyrd Skynyrd's own JMDL-type cafe even writes "Freebird" as one word. http://www.freebirdcafe.com/ The LS tribute band even calls itself "Freebird" -- one word. http://www.skynyrdtributeband.com/ Even the lyrics refer to the song as "Freebird." http://www.lyrics007.com/Lynyrd%20Skynyrd%20Lyrics/Freebird%20Lyrics.html Muller also adds: << PS: One more outburst like this, and it's to the KILL FILE! >> This is the second time in the last few weeks a JMDL SICKO has threatened me with this! People USED to be de-listed for THREATS on this list, you know. I don't feel safe here anymore. Les! Make them stop! - --Smug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 06:39:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: re: njc, patti smith/now rambling about stuff/long - --- Garret wrote: > > IS the show you're talking about the one where she broke her neck? > and was then > out of comission for quite some time? Hi Garrett, yeah that was the show. So very frightening. > Wave i'm not very fond of to be honest, it's ok. something too slick > about it. yeah Dancing Barefoot is definately the best song, but for some reason the other stuff too - I was able to absorb the poetry. > but i think the band > play > tighter than ever. realistically I need to give a better listen to the later stuff and give it a chance. I think my perhaps prejudiced mind assumed that once she did the "mama" thing there would categorically be no more "edge" to the work. Maybe I even thought without drugs (which presumeably she'd stop cuz of the kids) the work would no longer be "visionary" in nature. A stupid assumption I admit. So anyway, Garrett, you're inspiring me to spend some $$ and check out some later PS. Want to suggest a post-Wave album for me?? The brand new one? or? Thanks, and nice talking to you.. Em ===== ........... "thats just the scale; the fish come later". ;) Norman Blake __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:45:28 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: njc, patti smith/now rambling about stuff/long Garret, Em & Others, I saw Patti Smith right after Horses came out and I saw her at the Bowery Ballroom in 1998. I think that she has really come into her own as a performer. Also, Em, you should give her newer stuff a listen--it's very interesting musically and lyrically. I'm not as big a fan of Gung Ho as others here are, but she remains a vital artist. My copy of the new one should be on it's way any day, along with Loretta, McMurtry, and new Graham Parker (which Meredith Ochs reviewed on NPR yesterday ). Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Garret Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 9:11 AM To: Em Cc: jonilist Subject: re: njc, patti smith/now rambling about stuff/long Well hi there Em, no apologies accepted for the "covnersational tone", that's what makes this more than just emails. the 1970's PSG was a great band. the energy in the live recordings is awesome. i wish i could have been around to have appreciated them then, as with Joni Mitchell. IS the show you're talking about the one where she broke her neck? and was then out of comission for quite some time? I've seen her five times in the last three years (and once more in july) and she doesn't really spin now! she still has more energy than most on stage! she kind of drifts off into a trance at times, and that's when you know she's going to turn the energy level up, make some feedback and rock the arse off you. first time i saw her, 2001, i was shocked that she could be bounding around the stage like that. i kept trying to imagine my mother, who is 13 years her junior, and patti seemed so young on stage ("so goddamn yoooouuung"). Wave i'm not very fond of to be honest, it's ok. something too slick about it. they had sort of hit the big time with Easter, and wave struck me as trying to live into the big stadium rock image that built up around them. of course, that wasn't what Patti wanted and she got out of there to become a mother, having given her message, carried out her mission or whatever it is she likes to say. i do love certain tracks, dancing barefoot anyone?, but overall it may be my least favourite. the 90's work is different, she has a whole different set of concerns, and has been veering towards some slower songs lately. but i think the band play tighter than ever. i would like to see her play around with some different producers, but hey, i love what she's doing and that's not a big complaint. i find her quite inspirational. not that i agree with everything she says, but i think it's great that someone is saying these things. it's her passion and conviction that i most admire. can't tell you much about lester bangs; but i'm sure someone on the list can. i think i'm with you about joan jett. opinion is not really formed, so i'm taking that as a negative. Janis, well, yea, she is rock n roll. i have only been listening to Janis in a fairly part time capacity for a few years, but the more i listen, the more i love it. so, are there any other real female rockers? i'm sure there are, but i can't think right now. GARRET ps- it's mid-afternoon here:-) and i love the anecdote in the tattoo studio! Quoting Em : > Morning Garret and Patti, > Patti Smith has been major for me as well, although I find her stuff > after Wave to be not that great. Maybe its just "me". > In the late 70's I saw her here in Tampa, opening for Bob Seger (I was > not there to see Bob Seger) and anyway, it was a hell of a night..she > was big into the "spinning" thing back then..she'd just spin and spin > on stage...and she just spun...right off the stage and hurt herself > pretty badly. My friend and I were very freaked. > Then later a couple years, when I was living in Cologne, she had an > exhibition of her artwork at a galerie. My (then) gf managed to get us > invites to the opening, so I bought the catalog and Patti signed it for > me, as well as a copy of "Babel". > To me, and I'm picky, Patti Smith and Janis Joplin are/were the only > real big time female rock and rollers. The only heavyweights that were > truly "rock and roll". > So then people say well what about Joan Jett?? and I'm like sheesh...no > way man. Wonder what my prejudice is? Surely JJ lives the rock and roll > lifestyle..why do I not want to include her??? hmm will have to examine > my motivation...maybe its just cuz I'm not fond of her style. > But the old Patti Smith group was a hell of a band. They could slash > and burn too, but mostly were just really well versed in rock, > pop/rock. Delicious stuff. Reminds me of that tune "Affection" by > Steven Van Zandt, in his "lost Boys" band..has kinda the same sound. > Reminds me of in "Almost Famous" they have Lester Bangs saying to > William that rock and roll is over...hmmm..so when did Lester Bangs > die? Did he ever write about Patti Smith group? maybe he was already > dead by then.. anyone? > anyway, please excuse the conversational tone of this post..just > wanting to volley and jam a bit about good music. > Em > ps: one more Patti anecdote, and this was just this last Thanksgiving. > I was in a tattoo place in Tucson getting a monkey, looking through the > artist's portfolio and she had done a tattoo drawing on someone of > Patti Smith - obviously the "Horses" cover photo. So I say to my bud > that was there with me.."hey I drew that way back when", cuz I did, I > did a big ol pencil drawing of it when I was about 16...and then my > bud, who I had no clue was a PS fan too says, "hey I drew that TOO!" > LOL!!!!!!! so that made 3 of us in that shop that day, women, who'd ALL > drawn the PS portrait from the "Horses" album cover...tickled the heck > outta me. > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:56:16 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, patti smith/now gilda radner I can't even think of Patti without remembering Gilda's hilarious imitation of her -- with hairy armpits and all. God, Gilda was funny. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:02:49 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: microsoft word njc, nowmuller's dotage > Hey, Gramps! If you mean the song by the late Lynyrd Skynrd, it's ONE word: > "Freebird." Dammit, y'all! Now that song is stuck in my head and will probably be stuck there for the rest of the day. Lori, who saw Lynyrd Skynrd live in '75 (or maybe '76) before some of the band became "late" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:01:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: njc, patti smith/now rambling about stuff/long - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > Also, Em, you should give her newer stuff a listen--it's > very > interesting musically and lyrically. Hi, would you like to suggest a post-Wave PS album for me? Or maybe wait til you experience the new one? In any case would like to know which you might think is best. Which is your fave all-time one of hers? :) I guess I'm between "Horses" and "Easter". Are you in New York, Richard? Em ===== ........... "thats just the scale; the fish come later". ;) Norman Blake __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:12:52 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: njc, patti smith/now rambling about stuff/long I'd recommend *Gone Again*--I listen to it a lot. *Peace and Noise* has the Ginsberg elegy. I'm in Statesboro, Georgia. But as a professor I get away some. Saw her during a 10 day research trip to NYC. I also think "Dancing Barefoot" is a great song. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Em Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 10:02 AM To: Richard Flynn; jonilist Subject: RE: njc, patti smith/now rambling about stuff/long - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > Also, Em, you should give her newer stuff a listen--it's > very > interesting musically and lyrically. Hi, would you like to suggest a post-Wave PS album for me? Or maybe wait til you experience the new one? In any case would like to know which you might think is best. Which is your fave all-time one of hers? :) I guess I'm between "Horses" and "Easter". Are you in New York, Richard? Em ===== ........... "thats just the scale; the fish come later". ;) Norman Blake __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:15:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, patti smith/now gilda radner - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > I can't even think of Patti without remembering Gilda's hilarious > imitation > of her -- with hairy armpits and all. God, Gilda was funny. So true Smurf. God bless Gilda. That whole SNL crew was real special. Did that show become less funny? or did I just get old? I can remember STAYING HOME, i.e. not going OUT (which is a big deal when you're 16 or 17) to watch SNL back then, preferably with friends at their house. I need to get un-nostalgic and find the good stuff from now. There is good stuff... which reminds me, was wondering if anyone else has gotten the feeling that HBO's Sunday night line-up has taken the roll for us now, that "The Wonderful World of Disney" maybe had for most of us in the 60's? Em ===== ........... "thats just the scale; the fish come later". ;) Norman Blake __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:05:11 +0100 From: Garret Subject: RE: njc, patti smith/now rambling about stuff/long >My copy of the new one > should be on it's way any day, along with Loretta, McMurtry, and new Graham > Parker (which Meredith Ochs reviewed on NPR yesterday ). Some busy listening ahead Richard:-) I try not to buy too many albums togehter. If i'm particularly absorbed in one, the others may not get the attention they warrant. On the other hand, it can be great when, months or even years later, you listen to these albums again and realise that you actually love them afterall (this happened with Turbulent Indigo). I'm most intrigued about Loretta now, i may add her to that ever expanding list! Was that a New Years show at the Bowery richardm? Richard is right Em, the later stuff really is good. They are very different from her earlier albums which may be why some people dislike them when coming to them now - it is not Patti Smith Group mark two. A lot of the dynamics have changed, and their is a much more explicit political ideology coming through, although, imo, even this is consistent with the ideals Patti Smith put forth in her most drug fuelled days. That said, the most essential ingredients are still there; Patti's lyrics, her voice (which has matured "real well"), Lenny's guitar, Jay Dee's drums, the passion, the power to move through sheer sound or through touching intimacy (noise and peace - to rearrange one of her album titles). Gung Ho would be, by far, my favourite of her later albums. But the other two fill in some very important gaps and have some wonderful moments. Let's not forget Dream of Life, her 80s album. Some of the die-hard early fans hate this, completely, utterly. I find it to be a superior pop album. I love it. Perhaps it doesn't feel like that Horses woman, but it's worth the investment (and it's usually on sale pretty cheap). It's not that her "edge" is gone, it's that it has shifted focus. Maybe i should say "get the new one", but i haven't heard it yet. I know i will like it from what i have heard, mind you. GARRET (struggling to think how would one bring this back to Joni. eh?) np- Patti Smith, 1959 - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:24:32 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, patti smith/now gilda radner Em asks: << That whole SNL crew was real special. Did that show become less funny? or did I just get old? >> I think "outrageousness" got old and overdone. There no more shock in it. But in all fairness, I'd have to say that SNL has managed to keep the standards pretty high over the decades they've been on the air. I haven't seen any of this year's show because I have been living TV-free since last June. (May never live with a TV again!) But I did see "Curb Your Enthusiasm" about a month ago, and I thought it was very funny. - --Smurf, who misses Jimmy and all the fun we had here . . . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:30:07 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, was Smurf's razor-sharp mind, now his puddin' head Smurf, years beyond his "sell by" date and weeks off his meds, writes: **Why, Lynyrd Skynyrd's own JMDL-type cafe even writes "Freebird" as one word. http://www.freebirdcafe.com/** Hello??? This is a WEBSITE. You know, the world wide web? The thing that happened while you were napping? If one was to apply your twisted logic, Joni Mitchell would be one word because there's a www.jonimitchell.com! So admit it, you're wrong on this point. **The LS tribute band even calls itself "Freebird" -- one word.** Again, this is totally irrelevant. This is the name of a band, NOT a song title. What about the Lawrence Welk trib band that you sing with, 'ChampagneLady'? Is THAT one word? Wrong again, Sherlock. Atticus Murphy then closed his case with: **Even the lyrics refer to the song as "Freebird." http://www.lyrics007.com/Lynyrd%20Skynyrd%20Lyrics/Freebird%20Lyrics.html** Again, some random website like lyrics007 (I guess they specialize in James Bond songs?) isn't any kind of authority. Since you're so easily distracted and withdraw into the days when you were in vaudeville, let me spell it out for you. Here's what I'm looking for: Proof that LS (that would be Lynyrd Skynyrd, I don't want to give you too much credit) or ANYONE for that matter recorded the song with a one-word title. That's pretty much it. Bob (the young smart one) NP: Soundgarden (which IS one word in this case), "no attention" (as opposed to the song about Smurf..."no attention SPAN") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:48:33 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: patti smith/now rambling about stuff/long with Joni content on the tail end The show was sometime during the summer--August, I think. Her between song patter was very political, exhorting the crowd to vote during the upcoming midterm elections, saying "Who cares who got a blow job in the White House?" and doing a great cover of Neil Young's "Rockin in the Free World." Let me add the "Land" anthology to the recommendations--lots of good stuff including more rarities & prviously unreleased stuff than is usual for such projects. If you can get "Dream of Life" used for 4 bucks as I did, you won't be too disappointed, but I'd say it's not the place to begin for post-Wave Patti. How to get back to Joni? well--? Did anyone read the article Les posted today? Anyone know of the status of these projects? "Mitchell has a Random House deal to write three books -- memoirs, a book of poetry and an art book." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Garret Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 10:05 AM To: Richard Flynn Cc: Em; jonilist Subject: RE: njc, patti smith/now rambling about stuff/long >My copy of the new one > should be on it's way any day, along with Loretta, McMurtry, and new Graham > Parker (which Meredith Ochs reviewed on NPR yesterday ). Some busy listening ahead Richard:-) I try not to buy too many albums togehter. If i'm particularly absorbed in one, the others may not get the attention they warrant. On the other hand, it can be great when, months or even years later, you listen to these albums again and realise that you actually love them afterall (this happened with Turbulent Indigo). I'm most intrigued about Loretta now, i may add her to that ever expanding list! Was that a New Years show at the Bowery richardm? Richard is right Em, the later stuff really is good. They are very different from her earlier albums which may be why some people dislike them when coming to them now - it is not Patti Smith Group mark two. A lot of the dynamics have changed, and their is a much more explicit political ideology coming through, although, imo, even this is consistent with the ideals Patti Smith put forth in her most drug fuelled days. That said, the most essential ingredients are still there; Patti's lyrics, her voice (which has matured "real well"), Lenny's guitar, Jay Dee's drums, the passion, the power to move through sheer sound or through touching intimacy (noise and peace - to rearrange one of her album titles). Gung Ho would be, by far, my favourite of her later albums. But the other two fill in some very important gaps and have some wonderful moments. Let's not forget Dream of Life, her 80s album. Some of the die-hard early fans hate this, completely, utterly. I find it to be a superior pop album. I love it. Perhaps it doesn't feel like that Horses woman, but it's worth the investment (and it's usually on sale pretty cheap). It's not that her "edge" is gone, it's that it has shifted focus. Maybe i should say "get the new one", but i haven't heard it yet. I know i will like it from what i have heard, mind you. GARRET (struggling to think how would one bring this back to Joni. eh?) np- Patti Smith, 1959 - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:58:27 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: microsoft word njc, nowmuller's dotage AWWWW King of the Prom! Good lookin boy Joni-Bob he looks just like you! Congrats on getting another(?) one through school, he's the youngest right? db >>> 4/29/2004 8:22:08 PM >>> **This is so pathetic -- old AND alone. ** Well, I'm enjoying the next best thing - living vicariously! http://www.sjhigh.org/cgi-bin/viewnews.cgi?id=1083187829 Bob NP: Patti Smith, "Gandhi" (this new one is as good as Gung Ho which I never would have believed!) This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #200 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)