From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #196 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 28 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 196 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Songs For Joni's "Next" Album [Ken ] Re: colin powell name calling, njc ["Kakki" ] RE: njc religious organizations on choice ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Katie Melua likes Joni now NJC [Garret ] Re: Katie Melua likes Joni now NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Gracefully surrendering the things of youth, njc [Em ] Subject: Re: Diana's "Black Crow" ["G'n H" ] Re: Joni in the new RS (or out of it as the case may be) -- NJC [Smurfyco] Re: njc woman's complaint/now much beer [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Mindless trivia njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Mindless trivia njc [Em ] Re: the homecoming. the haiku part 2 NJC ["Kate Cox" ] Re: pee shy njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] the homecoming. the haiku part 2 NJC ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Mindless trivia njc ["Ron" ] Re: Mindless trivia njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] do i hear somebody preaching? -NJC [Kate ] RE: pee shy njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: was a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: do i hear somebody preaching? -NJC ["Cynthia Vickery" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 03:09:33 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: Songs For Joni's "Next" Album Ok, I'll Play Song to a Bedbug People's Pardons (if she knows a bunch of old farts) My Older Man Warm Water (The Song of Incontinence) Hearse On a Hill A Woman Of Heart By-pass And Mindlessness Ladies Of The Dentures Don't Interrupt The Sponge Bath God Must Be A Bit Older Than Me The Crazy Cries Of Gas Friction (The KY Jelly Song) Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >Here's one more: >* (Again and Again) The Same Story > >All the best, >Lama > > >RR said, > >>My Old Can >> >You Turn Me On, I'm Kidding >Constipation (Conversation) >See You Somewhat >Help Me Up >Shades of Clairol Conquering >Talk Louder To Me >Geritol (Jericho) >Off Night Back Pain >Traction (Fiction) >Ray's Dad's Cataract >Sex Smells >Turbulent Indigestion> > >Nuriel Tobias wrote: > >>>Here's what a song list of Joni's "next" album might be: >>> >>1. I Had A Life >>2. I Don't Know Where I Stand (The Alzheimer version) >>3. The Last Time I Saw Anyone >>4. Don Juan's Reckless Grandma >>5. Slouching Toward The Bedroom >>6. I Think? I Understand? >>7. Don't Interrupt The Bingo >>8. You're My Fan Baby I don't Give A Damn >>9. The 11th World >>10. Woman Of High Blood Pressure ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 00:44:37 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: colin powell name calling, njc Ugh - Patrick wrote: > well, we had the spectacle of kakki running around with her hair on fire > because two entrants to moveon's commercial contest compared bush to hitler. > 'how evil the left wing is, supporting this behaviour.' Don't remember that quote from me at all. I objected to moveon's attempt to divert the attention from themselves to the very people they were attacking. > when it was pointed out how much the right wing has done that, she denied > it. a modest websearch turned up tons of examples, at which point she said, > with predictable kakkiness: ""I havent heard, I dont recall, I wasnt > aware, I missed them, as far as I'm aware " (thanks to the jmdler who > reminded me of this consistent kakki-pattern.) What utter crap. The examples provided by Jerry were from the early and mid 90s when I didn't even have a computer so how would I have read about them? "consistent Kakki pattern" - you just prove my point about diverting the blame to the victim - if not to anyone else here but myself. I thought of you the other day calling me a liar for saying intelligence was quashed during the time of the Clinton administration. You have probably now seen the 9/11 testimony and documentation of the Gorelick/Reno "Wall" policy between the intelligence agenices. A legal interpretation and policy that by the legal term "quash" prevented intelligence from being shared towards effective purposes. But no apology or any kind of acknowledgement from you - just another attack. > oh by the way, it's been pointed out to me that limbaugh and o'reilly > regularly refer to senator clinton as 'hitlery' aren't they nice? I haven't driven to work in 8 years so rarely, if ever, have a chance to listen to "right-wing radio" and have not heard this from them. The larger point is you trying to link me to them. Have I ever personally called Hillary Clinton these names? Have I ever personally loaded the list with links here to such name-calling of her? No. So you are way out of line to try to smear me with whatever someone else says. > Rumsfeld's Pentagon, led by Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith, caught > Cheney's nutty fever too. The war party in the Pentagon was no less obsessed > than Cheney and Libby with finding the nonexistent link between Iraq and Al > Qaeda. Powell considered them to be "a separate little government" and > referred to them as the "Gestapo office. There are actually many mainstream published reports for years of links, connect the dots - between AQ and Iraq. I'll post them for you if you are interested. > even the right wing calls the right wing nazis. hmmmm.... Ha! Goes back to my amusement of some on the left adopting the theories of the far right without knowing the full extent of the far right's take on it all. Hint - they are the most radical proponents of freedom and they believe socialism is a construct invented by the rich and powerful to keep people down and dumb and to keep anyone else from competing with them. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 03:55:14 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: njc religious organizations on choice Vince ..I clicked on "What does my religion say about choice." I could not help notice that it was WE..man... NEVER what God says. You see..God DOES NOT make any distinction (Holy Scriptures) between a pre-born child and a child outside the womb. In fact...he called many to be prophets while in the womb. (old testament) this is a topsy turvy world..what is right is wrong..wrong is right... This issue for me does not have grays...it's a life or it isn't? Bree >From: vince >Reply-To: vince >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: njc religious organizations on choice >Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:54:58 -0400 > >http://www.rcrc.org > > >I belong to the above. Some might enjoy wandering through the website. > >Vince _________________________________________________________________ From must-see cities to the best beaches, plan a getaway with the Spring Travel Guide! http://special.msn.com/local/springtravel.armx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:58:52 +0100 From: "tantra-apso" Subject: Re: njc woman's complaint/now much beer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" To: "tantra-apso" ; "jonilist" Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 1:16 AM Subject: Re: njc woman's complaint/now much beer I love whatever they have on cask at the > time - the Maibock was a mistake. The could have old man-piss from the > wall on cask and I would probably like it. that is what it all tastes like to me! btw the 4 pups are now called Gompa, Dharma, Saskia and Troy........ bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:06:27 +0100 From: "tantra-apso" Subject: Re: njc religious organizations on choice Life is tough and so is making choices. We have to decide for ourselves how we live, what we believe, the choices we make. The consequences of our second to secon d choices are a good barometer of whether or not we made the right ones. Religious scriptures ahev no authority other than the authority we give them. In the ned, we have to live by our own conscience, not anyone elses. The consequences of our actions/thoughts are the same regardless of whose conscience we try and live by! Living by someone elses conscience is a great cop out or seems to be. It doesn't work! bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bree Mcdonough" To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 8:55 AM Subject: RE: njc religious organizations on choice > Vince ..I clicked on "What does my religion say about choice." I could not > help notice that it was WE..man... NEVER what God says. > > You see..God DOES NOT make any distinction (Holy Scriptures) between a > pre-born child and a child outside the womb. In fact...he called many to > be prophets while in the womb. (old testament) > > > > this is a topsy turvy world..what is right is wrong..wrong is right... > > This issue for me does not have grays...it's a life or it isn't? > > Bree > > > > >From: vince > >Reply-To: vince > >CC: joni@smoe.org > >Subject: njc religious organizations on choice > >Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:54:58 -0400 > > > >http://www.rcrc.org > > > > > >I belong to the above. Some might enjoy wandering through the website. > > > >Vince > > _________________________________________________________________ > From must-see cities to the best beaches, plan a getaway with the Spring > Travel Guide! http://special.msn.com/local/springtravel.armx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:09:49 +0100 From: "tantra-apso" Subject: Re: Gracefully surrendering the things of youth, njc > All too soon JMDLers will be retiring from the list, hanging up their > connectivity in exchange for a warm bed and nightly tapioca pudding in "the > home". Anyone else want to chime in while we still remember how to work the > email thing? on my knitting lists we have ladies in their 70's and 80's who use the pc(obviously) and who use design software fro the knitting. Yes age may slow us down but we don't have to give up. bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 01:22:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: pro choice, njc I've appreciated reading Marianne's and Laura's thoughts on this issue. I have always been pro-choice, but my stance comes from my belief in individual rights and that the government or any other entity should not interfere in those personal rights. While I believe that, there is no way that I could ever say that a fetus is not a life. And there is something somewhat horrifying to me hearing people at the recent march saying Bush is trying to outlaw abortion, etc. simply because he signed the bills on partial-birth abortion (how can it be acceptable to kill a viable, full term baby?) and on saying it is murder when an unborn baby is killed with its' mother? It seems to me that the wide availablility of effective birth control methods (which were not available back in the days of back room, unsafe, illegal abortions) should be moving people toward a more enlightened, humanistic view of the issue. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:20:31 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Katie Melua likes Joni now NJC Azeem: Regulars will know of my predeliction for female singer-songwriters Really? Must be a pretty subtle predeliction;-) hadn't noticed, mmm, i'll keep my eyes and ears open in future! Azeem: I had an instant reaction, within seconds: I absolutely *hated* it!! I can't remember the last time I had such a visceral adreaction to a record, especially one that is, on the face of it, so inoffensive. I'm sure it's not that bad. Her voice is pleasant. I've not heard the album, but what little i have heard, the songwriting doesn't strike me as Joni-calibre, but, then, we are used to that, eh? The Lilac Wine cover i heard was good (although it was a sunny day with a breeze, in a nice cafe with good company, so there may be some external factors at play in my recollection, and also Lilac Wine is such a great song). Azeem: will compound my sin by saying if you want to hear a really exciting new talent with attitude, songs, style and pizzazz to spare, you owe it to yourselves to check out Amy Winehouse. now here is a name a i keep coming across. She is everywhere right now. I had been toying with the idea of getting her album after i saw her on Parkinson and Jonathan Ross, and i think maybe heard her on Woman's Hour (did anyone else here Patti Smith on Woman's Hour yesterday?). Colin:if that is the young woman from southgate, yes she is very good, a stand out. I know it's snobby but it's a shame about the speaking voice.... After hearing her sing you don't expect such a strong accent. When i saw her interviewed on Jonathan Ross she seemed like great craic. He asked her why she was so common and if anyone at the record company had tried to shape her into something that she is not. Her reply was so bizarre that she is forever endeared to me: "yea, someone there tryed to mould me into a great, big triangle and it didn't really suit me!" lol, how wonderfully down to earth! it took about five seconds before i understood what she said, lol, and then the penny dropped quite loudly. She has an amazing voice. GARRET np- fleetwood mac, dreams (stevie, thunder *doesn't* only happen when it's raining!) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:12:36 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Katie Melua likes Joni now NJC I said: << I will compound my sin by saying if you want to hear a really exciting new talent with attitude, songs, style and pizzazz to spare, you owe it to yourselves to check out Amy Winehouse. >> Garret: << now here is a name a i keep coming across. She is everywhere right now. I had been toying with the idea of getting her album after i saw her on Parkinson and Jonathan Ross, and i think maybe heard her on Woman's Hour >> And Colin: << if that is the young woman from southgate, yes she is very good, a stand out. I know it's snobby but it's a shame about the speaking voice.... She was fab on Woss's programme! I love the way she talks, especially compared to all those desperate-not-to-offend moppets with very modest talent. She has such a dazzling smile and a filthy laugh, though she's far from conventionally pretty, which is something else I like; and her guitar playing absolutely *sucked*, while her voice was majestic! << (did anyone else here Patti Smith on Woman's Hour yesterday?). >> Yep, I did, and she was good value as always. Garret: << After hearing her sing you don't expect such a strong accent. When i saw her interviewed on Jonathan Ross she seemed like great craic. He asked her why she was so common and if anyone at the record company had tried to shape her into something that she is not. Her reply was so bizarre that she is forever endeared to me: "yea, someone there tryed to mould me into a great, big triangle and it didn't really suit me!" lol, how wonderfully down to earth! it took about five seconds before i understood what she said, lol, and then the penny dropped quite loudly. She has an amazing voice. >> Have a listen on her website (http://www.amywinehouse.com) folks, especially to Take The Box, which is one of my favourite songs from last year. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 04:59:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Gracefully surrendering the things of youth, njc ....was thinking about this after reading Lama's and Colin's posts, and I asked myself if I would "trade" the "now" me, for the "20 years ago" me..if I could live in either condition for, say, the next 20 years without any further physical, umm lets see...degradation. So if I could stay physically and mentally like I am now for 20 years with no further aging, or if I could "revert" back to my 24 year old self, physically and mentally and not change condition..which would I choose? Really REALLY hard to choose. Mentally I'd rather be where I am now. I am more nearly sane, a little more sensible, less likely to get myself killed, and all that stuff. I've learned that its really good to smile at people. That almost any situation can be diffused with a smile. I was never a particularly physically fit person, so that (strength, endurance) is not so much an issue. The "vision" thing is the main complaint I have. Like Lama was saying about being able to read the size on drill bits. With me its Allen wrenches. Would be soooooooo wonderful not to have to stick 4 wrong ones in the hole first before finding the 6 mm one that I need to snug up my handlebars or windshield. Guess I should wrap some tape on the handle of that one maybe. Also, when doing the bathroom mirror facial inspection thing, would be sooooo nice not to have to wear glasses to do that. Its hard to pluck eyebrows through reading glasses. Would generally be nice not to have to walk through life with a pair of reading glasses nearby. Also if I could get my teeth to "revert" back to 20 years ago - that would be good. But all in all, it would be a hard sell for me, to go back to being the 24 year old Em. I'd be happy enough like I am now if I thought I wouldn't be degrading further. But I know its coming, so that puts a damper on things. I know eventually my face is gonna melt down like in that old "Stoned Again" poster. Em - --- tantra-apso wrote: > > All too soon JMDLers will be retiring from the list, hanging up > their > > connectivity in exchange for a warm bed and nightly tapioca pudding > in > "the > > home". Anyone else want to chime in while we still remember how to > work > the > > email thing? > > on my knitting lists we have ladies in their 70's and 80's who use > the > pc(obviously) and who use design software fro the knitting. Yes age > may slow > us down but we don't have to give up. > > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ===== ........... "thats just the scale; the fish come later". ;) Norman Blake __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:40:38 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: njc religious organizations on choice Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > > > You see..God DOES NOT make any distinction (Holy Scriptures) between a > pre-born child and a child outside the womb. I that is simply wrong Biblically simply and totally wrong Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:34:27 +0300 From: "G'n H" Subject: Subject: Re: Diana's "Black Crow" I agree with you. It's beautiful! And very groovy, too, played with wonderful musicians. ______ Subject: Diana's "Black Crow" Is magnificent...as is this whole album, out today in the US. Bob ______ What do you think about this (live)version... http://www.pp.htv.fi/lsippola/Woodstock.mp3 :) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:59:28 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in the new RS (or out of it as the case may be) -- NJC Kate writes: << On the other hand, Britney Spears in her piece on Madonna wrote: "Madonna was the first female pop star to take control of every aspect of her career and to take responsibility for creating her image, no matter how much flak she might get." I guess if you don't consider Joni a pop star which in many ways I think she was. Perhaps for some, history begins in the 1980's. >> Not sure what "pop star" means, but Mae West "(took) control of every aspect of her career and to (took) responsibility for creating her image, no matter how much flak she (got)" back in the 1930s. Talk about taking flak, she had a play entitled "Sex" on Broadway decades before Madonna's book of the same name was published. If this is an example of how she thinks, Britney may be good marriage material for John Corbett. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:04:25 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc woman's complaint/now much beer Colin writes: << btw the 4 pups are now called Gompa, Dharma, Saskia and Troy........ >> TROY!?! Really? You've made my day, Colin! XO, - --TPFKAT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:37:29 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Mindless trivia njc I wonder how many of these are actually true, how many are urban myths and how many are just factoids plucked out of thin air... Azeem in London NP: Til Tuesday - Welcome Home [still sounds sublime, one of the greatest 80s albums] >Mosquito repellents don't repel. They hide you. The spray blocks the > Mosquito's sensors so they don't know you're there. >Dentists have recommended that a toothbrush be kept at least 6 feet away from a toilet to avoid airborne particles resulting from the flush. >The liquid inside young coconuts can be used as substitute for blood plasma. >No piece of paper can be folded in half more than 7 times. >Donkeys kill more people annually than plane crashes. >You burn more calories sleeping than you do watching television. >Oak trees do not produce acorns until they are fifty years of age or older. >The first product to have a bar code was Wrigley's gum. >The king of hearts is the only king without a mustache. >A Boeing 747s wingspan is longer than the Wright brother's first flight. >American Airlines saved $40,000 in 1987 by eliminating 1 olive from each salad served in first-class. >Venus is the only planet that rotates clockwise. >Apples, not caffeine, are more efficient at waking you up in the morning. >The plastic things on the end of shoelaces are called aglets. >Most dust particles in your house are made from dead skin. >The first owner of the Marlboro Company died of lung cancer. >Michael Jordan makes more money from Nike annually than all of the Nike factory workers in Malaysia combined. >Marilyn Monroe had six toes. >All US Presidents have worn glasses Some just didn't like being seen wearing them in public. >Walt Disney was afraid of mice. >Pearls melt in vinegar. >Thirty-five percent of the people who use personal ads for dating are already married. >The three most valuable brand names on earth: Marlboro, Coca-Cola, and Budweiser, in that order. >It is possible to lead a cow upstairs...but not downstairs. >A duck's quack doesn't echo and no one knows why. >The reason firehouses have circular stairways is from the days when the engines were pulled by horses. The horses were stabled on the ground floor and figured out how to walk up straight staircases. >Richard Millhouse Nixon was the first US president whose name contains all the letters from the word "criminal." The second was William Jefferson Clinton. >Turtles can breathe through their butts >Butterflies taste with their feet. >In 10 minutes, a hurricane releases more energy than all of the world's nuclear weapons combined. >On average, 100 people choke to death on ball-point pens every year. >On average people fear spiders more than they do death. >Ninety percent of New York City cabbies are recently arrived immigrants. >Elephants are the only animals that can't jump. >Only one person in two billion will live to be 116 or older. >Women blink nearly twice as much as men. >It's physically impossible for you to lick your elbow. >The Main Library at Indiana University sinks over an inch every year because when it was built, engineers failed to take into account the weight of all the books that would occupy the building. >A snail can sleep for three years. >No word in the English language rhymes with "MONTH." >Average life span of a major league baseball: 7 pitches. >Our eyes are always the same size from birth, but our nose and ears never stop growing. SCARY!!! >The electric chair was invented by a dentist. >All polar bears are left handed. >In ancient Egypt, priests plucked EVERY hair from their bodies, including their eyebrows and eyelashes. >An ostrich's eye is bigger than its brain. >TYPEWRITER is the longest word that can be made using the letters only on one row of the keyboard. >"Go," is the shortest complete sentence in the English language. >If Barbie were life-size, her measurements would be 39-23-33. She would stand seven feet, two inches tall. Barbie's full name is Barbara Millicent Roberts. >A crocodile cannot stick its tongue out. >The cigarette lighter was invented before the match. >Americans on average eat 18 acres of pizza every day. >Almost everyone who reads this email will try to lick their elbow. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:58:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Mindless trivia njc Ha, these are cute Azeem. >Donkeys kill more people annually than plane crashes. I like the leap someone made in figuring that one out. Like did they think it up and then set out to prove it? Or were they looking at a list from the git go? >"Go," is the shortest complete sentence in the English language. how can it be a complete sentence if it ends in a comma? hmmmm. Also, wouldn't "Be." be equally short? Or can "Be." not be a sentence? I will go with the greater wisdom of the list on that but I would think that "Be." could also be a sentence? Not that anything else I've written here is a sentence...lol or? Em ===== ........... "thats just the scale; the fish come later". ;) Norman Blake __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:58:48 +0000 From: "Kate Cox" Subject: Re: the homecoming. the haiku part 2 NJC Lucy, I've only recently joined the list so wasn't sure whether I should write & say how moved I was by your story. But the second half convinced me! There are those tiny chinks of time which remain lodged in our hearts for the rest of our lives. This one, your story, is stso radiant & vibrant with meaning that it moved me (and others) to tears. Your way of telling it with the historical backdrop is what, I think, lends it that salience. I agree with others who have said that your writing could be published, although I realise this may be one of those experiences which you wish to keep relatively private. Anyway, thank you so much for sharing it. Kate C - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay in touch better and keep protected online with MSNs NEW all-in-one Premium Services. Find out more here. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:16:19 +0100 From: "tantra-apso" Subject: Re: njc woman's complaint/now much beer Okay smurphy, explain yourself please. bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:04 PM Subject: Re: njc woman's complaint/now much beer > Colin writes: > > << btw the 4 pups are now called Gompa, Dharma, Saskia and Troy........ >> > > TROY!?! > > Really? You've made my day, Colin! > > XO, > > --TPFKAT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:10:41 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: pee shy njc i stand to pee only in public restrooms. and then i usually don't use the urinals because i want to wipe after i shake. besides i'm pee-shy. why should i stand, aim, keep balance, etc. when sitting is so much easier and comfortable? is anyone else pee-shy on the list? W, wondering how men started to pee standing and why. > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de cul > Enviado el: Martes, 27 de Abril de 2004 04:46 p.m. > Para: Donna Binkley; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: njc woman's complaint > > > hahahaha...I haven't stood up to piss in years...I always sit to pee > except when I'm really drunk and then I write (print, not cursive) my > name everywhere but the bowl. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:23:40 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: pee shy njc A suddenly pure and innocent "W" writes: << i usually don't use the urinals >> That's not what they say at Fritz, sweetheart. XO, - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:13:25 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: the homecoming. the haiku part 2 NJC This post left me with tears in my eyes. Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:23:12 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: the homecoming. the haiku part 2 NJC _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:36:15 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Gracefully surrendering the things of youth, njc Jimbo the Lama Man misses: > * Reading the size right off the shank of a drill bit. Get thee to a laser eye center and have your eyes fixed. Request "mono-vision," where they do one eye for distance and the other for close-up. Works GREAT for me! > * Being able to switch the stereo from "Phono" to "CD", on first try, > without a millisecond of thought. Don't know what to tell you about that, although I'd think your fingers would know where those positions are by now! No? > * Being able to load a truck on "moving day", in 3 hours of continuous > work. Now there are... uhn... rest periods. This is what young neighbors are for. Get to know them. Buy them beer (but only if over age 21, of course). > * Never trying to put the radiator cap on the windshield washer reservoir. It could be worse. You could be pouring oil into the radiator or something. > All too soon JMDLers will be retiring from the list, hanging up their > connectivity in exchange for a warm bed and nightly tapioca pudding in "the > home". Anyone else want to chime in while we still remember how to work the > email thing? Sure, but I plan to take my computer with me to the home, which will be the crappy little 70s RV of which I daydream. > NP on the big rig: David Lahm's "More Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell" Thanks for the reminder to listen to MY copy of this wonderful disc!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:41:51 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: the homecoming. the haiku part 2 NJC hi >>>lucy wrote > HI, If this is self indulgent then sorry but.......... please lucy, may we have some more...... ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:02:04 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: Mindless trivia njc hi >>>azeem wrote >>>>>Marilyn Monroe had six toes. ahh, c'mon - who woulda been able to count properly hanging around marilyn's toes???? > >American Airlines saved $40,000 in 1987 by eliminating 1 olive from each > salad served in first-class. this is apparently true. of course what everyone fails to mention is the cost to decide on & implement the change; i.e. working committees market research to identify the optimum no of olives in a salad market research to identify whether anyone would notice the difference market research to identify whether anyone who did notice, would object countless meeting with suppliers of salads hire of a professional media company to prepare a presentation for the board presentation to the board more market research to answer the boards questions: - olives: green, black, calamata, or stuffed??? drafting of new specifications for salad approval process of new specification issue of specification to suppliers revise specification after finding out that stuffed calamata olives dont really exist placing of orders on suppliers returning of salads with incorrect no of olives setting up off hotline for passengers to phone in with questions re no of olives in the salad setting up a billing system to recover cost of additional olives that slipped through (though this was eventually economically solved by taking out "additional olive insurance" etc etc ad nauseum final tally - around 2 million dollars to implement 40 thousand dollar saving......... ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:29:11 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mindless trivia njc Well, the 6th toe thing is a hoax: http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/mmtoes.htm But - Ron, what you say is true. I've watched a couple of Marilyn Monroe films in which I intentionally tried not to watch her, and I find it impossible. Even in films in which she has only a bit part, my eyes are directed to whereever she is on screen. I have never noticed this happening with any other performer. I don't think the camera ever loved anyone like that before or since. Bob, back to Snopes to check out the other items... NP: Sonic Youth, "Mildred Pierce" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:56:43 -0500 From: Kate Subject: do i hear somebody preaching? -NJC > From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" > Subject: Beat of Black Wings > > Pro Choice is a curious attack on the smallest world population - yes I dare > to say it - to say the least this is the single issue that makes us all look > like total idiots - fighting for racial extinction while the rest continue > to populate with no concern whatsoever fighting for legal control over your own body and fighting for racial extinction are not one and the same thing - your logic is flawed; i'd say calling "us all" total idiots is off the mark because of it >we want our men at home, safe from > war, we just don't want to give them children? "give" them children? are we still back in the 15th century here, when children were property that legally belonged to their father? and it seems to me there are a hell of a lot of females who are soldiers, and a hell of a lot more females who are not remotely "safe" when they are home, but are being beaten, molested and raped by men some people expect them to "give" children, as well as their bodies, to. > 2 children per family was > already quite common by 1960 so what the hell is the protest anyway? I can > understand not birthing children with birth defects that will isolate them > for life - Maybe you should try a litte harder. I don't think you're trying too hard to understand it, at all. You seem more interested in promoting the wisdom and rightness of your own life choices while disrespecting and belittling the choices of others. You should try being in the boots of a woman who is pregnant and doesn't want to be, just once. Then you might have a clue what you're talking about. It's really easy to preach and condemn when you are no more than an onlooker, sitting safely on the sidelines. I guess you knew better than to have sex without the use of birth control? (which we all know is 100% safe AND effective, right???) Or to have sex with a man at all? And those who don't have your immense self-control and cleverness should just have to lay in the beds they've made? History demonstrates that for centuries it's been taboo in most societies to have children outside the 'sanctity' of marriage, yet women have been doing it and doing it and doing it and doing it for as long as there's been time. Oh, and men were obviously "doing it" too, but it was most often the women who were left to bear the results. Sometimes those results were as severe as death -- and still are, actually, in countries where abortion is illegal -- but you don't seem to see that human nature is what it is -- passionate and often uncontrolled -- and we deal with that fact as best we can instead of trying to ignore reality or punishing people for human weakness/passion/need or poor choices. Well, some of us do. Others just condemn the people along with their actions, and try to force them to walk the straight and narrow path they themselves have chosen. I have one of those children with a birth defect, btw. Quite glad I didn't abort him; he's the best thing that ever happened to me, along with the greatest challenge of my life to date. But I'm just as glad that I had the right to abort, should that have been my choice. Choice is the operative word here. CHOICE. It gives me the right to make my own decision about what I do with my body and about what is done to it and with it. I had a choice, and I used it; this child was not forced upon me. I'm sure that makes quite a huge difference in my attitude toward my child and the life we share. I would never, having had three abortions myself, counsel someone else to have one. They are my greatest, most sorrowful regrets. I now know, because of my two living children who mean more to me than my own life, what was lost by having abortions, and I would try to help a woman with an unwanted pregnancy understand that and have faith that another way can be found. Because I believe another way CAN be found. But I would never, ever suggest that she doesn't have the right to make her own choice; nor would I say that the fight to keep our CHOICE is not worth the fight!! >God knows I know how wonderfully liberal and blind people are to > mine - I am 53 single, never married because hypocrisy and illogic reign > supreme - but hey what the hell - flip the coin and be chic off line and > politically correct whenever needed! Or how about taking your politics off the Joni-Only list, where it is not welcome, and ranting instead to those who do want to hear it, like maybe some fundamentalist Pro-Life group that thinks shitting all over other people's beliefs is okay because they themselves have the only right answers and everyone else is an idiot? Kate, who is labelling this post NJC where it belongs. I realize you probably just slipped up and forgot to label your post correctly and for that can be forgiven, unless you are the person who has been doing it over and over again, either never learning or never caring. I get tired of that. ~~ first warm day ~~ http://xoetc.antville.org Who does she think she is, Anaos Nin? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:15:02 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: pee shy njc it was not the urinals i used there, pumpkin, it was the users i used. W what's with *troy* and *trevor*, anyway??? > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Smurfycopy@aol.com [mailto:Smurfycopy@aol.com] > Enviado el: Miercoles, 28 de Abril de 2004 12:24 p.m. > Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: pee shy njc > > > A suddenly pure and innocent "W" writes: > > << i usually don't use the urinals >> > > That's not what they say at Fritz, sweetheart. > > XO, > > --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:32:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: was a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- NJC i was never toilet trained. i had to toilet train my parents, though. w > -----Mensaje original----- > De: murphycopy@aol.com [mailto:murphycopy@aol.com] > Enviado el: Martes, 27 de Abril de 2004 04:37 p.m. > Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; Justalittlebreen@aol.com; joni@smoe.org; > northeastjonifest@yahoogroups.com > Asunto: Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- > NJC > > > W, reclaiming "W" as a legitimate initial for the good people, writes: > > << next week i'm starting my mandatory 5-year, 4-session-a-week > analysis, >> > > Oh, Wally! Record them and post English translations to the list! > We all miss > you! And it would be great fun to hear about your toilet training > memories. > Bring id on! > > XO, > > --Bob > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9rHolB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NortheastJonifest/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:09:56 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) www.despair.com A coworker just shared this with me; it's the "flip side" of those annoying motivational posters and calendars people have on their office/cubicle walls: http://www.despair.com/ Enjoy! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:45:36 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: do i hear somebody preaching? -NJC suzanne said: <> then our northernmost kate replied: <> and now i'll add: kate - thank you for your calm and measured response to suzanne's thoughts. i'd been saving her email and intending to reply, but every time i opened the darn thing, it made me angry and so i closed it again. i appreciate you saying what i was unable to find the emotional distance to be able to say. if i may add one thought, though...... suzanne - i'll assume with you for a moment that the pro-choice movement is solely about women and their control of their own reproductive organs, even though i know with every cell of my being that it's far far more than that, okay? now - you say "[we are] fighting for racial extinction while the rest continue to populate with no concern whatsoever." what "rest"? it seems you must mean the "rest" of the animals, and if you do, please explain to me how that compares to the human animal. if a cat has a litter of kittens, how long is she really responsible for them? a few weeks, maybe, until they can fend for themselves. period. does mama cat have to quit school? explain her expanding waistline to her condemning family? suffer the pained and disappointed looks of her peers? worry about how to pay for daycare and insurance and food and clothing and healthcare for her kittens? give up on dreams? support her kittens physically and emotionally with little or no help for years and years and years? teach her kittens about how birth control isn't 100% effective so they won't have to give up for their own kittens what she gave up for them? or if mama cat chooses to have her kittens and then give them up for adoption, does she have to anticipate the birth of her kittens while sequestered away from the stares of her neighbors, in dread that she's entrusting the care of her own babies that she knows she isn't capable of caring for herself to tomorrow's headline news, where kittens are abused and murdered in their own homes by their own families? must mama cat worry, knowing she'll likely never see her babies again, that they will grow up doubting her deep love of them, despite the very real sacrifices that she has made to carry them to term? or if mama cat does abort the growing lives inside of her, must she remember that day, those very real and loved lives with regret forever and forever? must she walk past narrow-minded protesters on her way to the clinic to do what she feels she has no choice about? must she keep that part of her past secret forever, in shame? suzanne, things aren't black and white, ever. you do yourself and all around you a disservice when you act as though they are. cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:14:10 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Diana's "Black Crow" Special kudos to electric guitarist Anthony Wilson & to Diana herself for her piano work. There are nice solos throughout, and the rhythm section does a nice job of keeping time without drawing attention to themselves (not exactly Jaco-like behavior, but then again nobody else has his talent). With this release and with Cassandra's version, Black Crow potentially moves into a higher level as far as "jazz vocal standards" go. At least, maybe. One can only hope, as it is one my favorite Joni songs and because of the chord structure it really seems to present itself for jazz interpretation. Coincidentally, I had Joni's S&L in my schizophrenic car player...never know what it's going to play...and it cranked up disc 2 which kicks off with Black Crow. Obviously I had heard it before (about a zillion times, plus or minus 100) but once again I was amazed at the precision of this band...give it a spin and just totally immerse yourself at how tight these players are. What stuck out to me this listen was the drumming of Don Alias...he follows the rhythm yet he's all over the place. Michael Brecker absolutely NAILS his solo's...sharp, concise, melodic, always interesting. Then there's Jaco at the end, bouncing off the walls but working within the framework of the song itself...and riding herd over everyone is Joni herself, with great rhythm guitar and a solid wonderful power- ful vocal. At the TOP of her game here in terms of being a bandleader. Homework - Black Crow, from Shadows & Light. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:29:23 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) More about pro-choice (and war) My brother and I just had a brief conversation about the pro-choice issue, and he asked me this: "Why is it that Bush says he's 'pro-life,' yet he has no problem whatsoever taking lives during war?" This makes me ask if Bush, et al, believe it's wrong to abort a "potential" life but it's permissible to kill a life that is KNOWN to be full of potential?? We mustn't allow the abortion of an 18 week old fetus, but it's okay to abort an 18 year old man or woman? It's okay to kill 18 month old Iraqi children? Food for thought. Lori - -- Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:45:29 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: njc 2.0 religious organizations on choice one last comment - two verses on God's foreknowledge versus numerous passages of where God initiates life is one thing and one can disagree with me all one wishes but to say that in disagreeing one is "on the side of God" and I and numerous church bodies and Jewish bodies are "on the side of men" is arrogance supreme as well as insulting as can be. Which point is interesting that every Biblical scholar that I know from John Dominic Crossan on the Christian (and Roman Catholic) side to Amy Jill Levine on the Jewish side is pro choice based on their understandings of Scripture. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:50:05 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: njc religious organizations on choice Vince.. can you point to verses showing me that I'm wrong. I can point you to many that say othewise. Let's take this off list and talk about it. IF you have the time. Thanks.. Bree >From: vince >Reply-To: vince >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: njc religious organizations on choice >Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:40:38 -0400 > >Bree Mcdonough wrote: > >> >> >> >>You see..God DOES NOT make any distinction (Holy Scriptures) between a >>pre-born child and a child outside the womb. I > >that is simply wrong Biblically > >simply and totally wrong > >Vince _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:19:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Mindless trivia njc --- Em wrote: > Ha, these are cute Azeem. > > >"Go," is the shortest complete sentence in the > English language. > > how can it be a complete sentence if it ends in a > comma? > hmmmm. Also, wouldn't "Be." be equally short? Or can > "Be." not be a > sentence? > I will go with the greater wisdom of the list on > that but I would think > that "Be." could also be a sentence? Not that > anything else I've > written here is a sentence...lol > or? > Em Yes. Go. Be. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #196 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)