From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #192 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, April 26 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 192 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #191 [BCM HUMAN RESOURCES] The stories behind the words NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] RE: (NJC) pro-whatever [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Re: (NJC) pro-whatever [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Katie Melua likes Joni...now NJC [Garret ] The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time NJC [Garret ] Re: Katie Melua likes Joni...now NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Songs For Joni's "Next" Album [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: A Free Joni Cover 4 U [David Sadowski ] Re: Songs For Joni's "Next" Album - njc [Lori Fye ] RE: The Ass In Blue ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: The Ass In Blue [Em ] Re: A Free Joni Cover 4 U, now Damien Rice show with Willy on it [Emilian] Re: The Ass In Blue [Em ] NJC Re: A Free Joni Cover 4 U, now Damien Rice show with Willy onit [SCJo] Re: The Ass In Blue [Lori Fye ] Re: The Ass In Blue [Steven Blue ] music/file sharing etc njc, now Randy rocks! njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: music/file sharing etc njc, now Randy rocks! njc [Em Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #191 This user is no longer with Baylor College of Medicine. Thanks, Baylor College of Medicine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:12:22 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: The stories behind the words NJC Kate, yes my father did return home and that was a day to remember too.. with a star performance from our Dog!!! I will write that one up too... it was an amazing thing and says a lot about dogs and inteligence. Lucy Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:15:00 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: the stories behind words. NJC Lucy, your story absolutely captivated me & brought me to tears... Did your dad ever return home? You are a fabulous writer... You must write you stories down & publish them! Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:28:31 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: RE: (NJC) pro-whatever Bob, what a thought provoking message! After some profound thinking, I must let you know the following: 1) Regarding my "celebration": any way of looking at things that result in me being even older, must be rejected straightaway. 2) Regarding abortion after birth: you have a good point there. In fact, as I have said already: it's hard to draw the line, and to decide from which point something suddenly becomes acceptable or not acceptable. Therefore I would not stick too much to your 5-year guideline. My boys are now 16 and 18, and I think they can still benefit from the approach. In fact, it is just about the only approach one has left with kids of that age! And philosophically, the argument still holds: wihtout parental support, those kids are not really viable yet. They cannot get from A to B without my chauffeuring care, they cannot get through the day, clothe themselves, have social interactions, etc, without my financial life support system... Of course, as you say, it would mainly be a deterrent or motivating system, not to be put into practice without great caution and second thought... Lieve. - -----Original Message----- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com [mailto:SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Sent: 23 April 2004 18:17 To: ReckersL@ebrd.com; notaro@stpt.usf.edu; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: (NJC) pro-whatever > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:19:59 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Katie Melua likes Joni...now NJC So you have her album? Does she cover Lilac Wine on it? I was in a wonderful french cafe after i last got paid and it was played and i thought it sounded like Katie Melua. I liked it. Really did not enjoy her cover of Love Cats with Jamie Cullum on the BRIT awards, almost as hopeless as Busted singing Teenage Kicks (why oh why did anyone think that tainting such a song was a good idea?? whyyyy???) on a completely different note, i watched Tea With Mussolini last night; how amazing. I'm still smiling:-) What an astounding cast! Does anyone know if this is really based on a true story as the movie suggests? GARRET Quoting Chris Marshall : > On 25 Apr 2004, at 15:43, Garret wrote: > > Have people on this list heard of the new-est jazztress on the high > > end of the > > praise of the critics? > > Yup. I received her CD for my birthday - and a fine CD it is too. > Glad Joni's influence is still alive and well with younger artists. > Gives me at least a modicum of hope that "real" music is still > alive in the industry, if not precisely in the rudest of health. > > > GARRET (not really enjoying the London sunshine for varioius reasons) > > That's because you're a pasty Dubliner my friend. I'm afraid there's > nothing for it but to slap on the factor 50 and get on with life. :) > That said, I don't have the London Underground to deal with. Ugh. > > > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > You must get on to your e-mail provider and get them to remove > that tacky tagline you know :) :) :) > > --Chris Marshall (expecting a phone call about an e-mail system...) > > chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) > > "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" > Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" > Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:26:47 +0100 From: Garret Subject: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time NJC I remember a large thread on the list a couple of years ago in which we made book recomendations to each other (and ripped poor Don deLillo to shreds from what i recall, lol). I got some great tips from that thread from various people and would like now to return the favour. This may have been dealt with already on JMDL and i wasn't paying attention. If you have not read The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time by Mark Haddon then do yourself a favour and invest in a copy. It is one of a kind (well, if anyone can name another book narrated by a character with a developmental disorder - in this case Asperger('s) Syndrome - i would love to read it!). It is aimed at the young adult market i think, but then so is Harry Potter. GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 08:39:04 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time NJC Garret writes: << If you have not read The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time by Mark Haddon then do yourself a favour and invest in a copy. It is one of a kind (well, if anyone can name another book narrated by a character with a developmental disorder - in this case Asperger('s) Syndrome - i would love to read it!). >> You're not reading your JMDL, Garret! I highly recommended this book a couple of weeks ago, and I mentioned at the time that it reminded me of another great book I read recently -- "Motherless Brooklyn" by Jonathan Letham. It's just what you're asking for, "another book narrated by a character with a developmental disorder." (In this case the disorder is Tourette Syndrome.) I was introduced to this book by Chuck E at last year's Jonifest. He brought it to the Incredible Lieve and Mags Jonifest Book Swap. A BIG must read! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:56:07 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time NJC I love the idea of a book swap. Not only does it allow you to spread the word about something that touches you, you can pick up something that has touched someone else you (potentially) know. Books have a habit, in my circle of friends, of migrating for years through crowds of peopld and ending up in the most unlikely places. I made friends with a girl last year who had one of my books on her shelf. It was actually a copy that a friend had borrowed two years previously and lent on to someone else and then it went on to someone else. i never thought i'd see it again, and then, surprise of surprises, i find this girl having just finished it!! Of course, she didn't actually believe that it was mine (it was A Clockwork Orange for those interested), but my notes were inside the front cover (sometimes if something is particularly touching i make note of it inside teh front cover, along with words that i intend to look up). I'm so glad that you also enjoyed Curious incident of the dog. It was wonderful - - uplifting, touching, informative, sad, happy, funny (i was laughing out loud on the tube so often that people thought i was pretty crazy but i couldn't stop meself! and those of you on-list that have met me know that i never ever smile let alone laugh, i'm a right auld humourless ass as me ma says;-) Having worked with childeren with AS and adults with various disorders in the autistic spectrum i found this book to be a very accurate portrait of such disorders, and i found the character very lovable - i want more tales about him! GARRET (heading over to amazon to purchas this Letham book you mention and swearing to pay more attention to JMDL next time) Quoting Smurfycopy@aol.com: > Garret writes: > > << If you have not read The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time by > > Mark > > Haddon then do yourself a favour and invest in a copy. It is one of a kind > > (well, if anyone can name another book narrated by a character with a > > developmental disorder - in this case Asperger('s) Syndrome - i would love > to > > read it!). >> > > You're not reading your JMDL, Garret! I highly recommended this book a couple > > of weeks ago, and I mentioned at the time that it reminded me of another > great book I read recently -- "Motherless Brooklyn" by Jonathan Letham. It's > just > what you're asking for, "another book narrated by a character with a > developmental disorder." (In this case the disorder is Tourette Syndrome.) I > was > introduced to this book by Chuck E at last year's Jonifest. He brought it to > the > Incredible Lieve and Mags Jonifest Book Swap. A BIG must read! > > --Smurf > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:11:15 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: A Free Joni Cover 4 U Hi, David! Have you any more details (venue or date) about this? I asked for someone to download this how for me (I have a slow internet connection) but I need some to be a little bit more specific... If I get it, I'll send it to South Carolina and/or anywhere you (any of you) desire. Back to work: Emiliano Have a Wonderful time! NP: Cold Water, Damien Rice - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "David Sadowski" Para: "Joni" Enviado: viernes, 16 de abril de 2004 3:57 Asunto: Re: A Free Joni Cover 4 U > I don't recall if anyone mentioned this, but there is a Joni Mitchell > cover in a Damien Rice show that was recently seeded through > sharingthegroove.org. Looks like Lisa Hannigan sang an acappella > version of Willy.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:48:11 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Katie Melua likes Joni...now NJC > So you have her album? Does she cover Lilac Wine on it? One of the great covers of Lilac Wine is by Jeff Buckley. Catch it if you can. I was in a wonderful > french cafe after i last got paid and it was played and i thought it sounded > like Katie Melua. I liked it. Really did not enjoy her cover of Love Cats > with > Jamie Cullum on the BRIT awards, almost as hopeless as Busted singing Teenage > Kicks (why oh why did anyone think that tainting such a song was a good idea?? > whyyyy???) > > on a completely different note, i watched Tea With Mussolini last night; how > amazing. I'm still smiling:-) What an astounding cast! Does anyone know if > this is really based on a true story as the movie suggests? Saw it as part of our Tampa Bay Gay and Lesbian Film Festival a few years back before it came out in theaters. It has been described as pseudo biological and semi biographical. I thought the movie, especially with Cher, was spectacular. Jerry np: Michael Callen - Glitter and Be Gay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 07:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Songs For Joni's "Next" Album Randy Remote wrote: "Maybe it could be a double album: (Hey folks, he started it!)" Well who else do you think would start such a thing, Randy?:) And now Lory wants us to write the lyrics...has she no shame?:) Nuriel p.s. Sex Smells is the "best", Randy. How about "Urge For Going (To The Toilet)"? "My Old Can You Turn Me On, I'm Kidding Constipation (Conversation) See You Somewhat Help Me Up Shades of Clairol Conquering Talk Louder To Me Geritol (Jericho) Off Night Back Pain Traction (Fiction) Ray's Dad's Cataract Sex Smells Turbulent Indigestion" Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Here's what a song list of Joni's "next" album might be: > > 1. I Had A Life > 2. I Don't Know Where I Stand (The Alzheimer version) > 3. The Last Time I Saw Anyone > 4. Don Juan's Reckless Grandma > 5. Slouching Toward The Bedroom > 6. I Think? I Understand? > 7. Don't Interrupt The Bingo > 8. You're My Fan Baby I don't Give A Damn > 9. The 11th World > 10. Woman Of High Blood Pressure > > > Nuriel (The Trouble Child) > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:52:39 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: A Free Joni Cover 4 U http://www.sharingthegroove.org/msgboard/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56631 Damien Rice Warfield: San Francisco, CA March 27, 2004 File size: 625 MB ******************** ******************** PRESERVE THE QUALITY DO NOT ENCODE TO MP3 OR LOSSY FORMATS ******************** ******************** Taper: johngromley@yahoo.com Source: MBHO KA200N/603A > M-Audio 410 > ASIO > n-track 3.3 > WAV @ 24bit/96kHz Editing/Tracking/Resample/BitReduction: Sound Forge 6.0e Conversion: WAV > shntool 1.2.3 > shorten 3.5.1 > SHN @ 16bit/44.1kHz Disc 1: 01. "Lonely Soldier [03:55.13] 02. Delicate [05:53.72] 03. Volcano [07:35.26] 04. Woman Like a Man [05:03.46] 05. Tongue [06:52.12] 06. Amie > [03:45.21] 07. Amie Jam > Sex Change > [09:05.72] 08. Eskimo [07:28.70] 09. I Remember [09:12.66] Total: [58:53.23] Disc 2: 01. Older Chests [04:57.19] 02. Prague [07:13.41] 03. Cheers Darlin' [05:30.30] 04. Cannonball [05:30.38] 05. 7 Nation Army * [03:29.62] 06. Wooden Horse [06:29.60] 07. (Eve, The Apple of My Eye) > Cold Water > Hallelujah & [11:23.11] 08. E: Willy % [04:14.02] 09. E: Red Chord # ^ > [09:26.30] 10. E: The Blower's Daughter ^ > [04:32.39] 11. E: Creep > The Blower's Daughter @ ^ [02:32.57] Total: [65:20.14] ^ With Glen Hansard of The Frames on vocals and electric guitar * White Stripes cover performed by Vyvienne and Tomo & "Eve, the Apple of My Eye" is a Bell X1 cover; "Hallelujah" is a Leonard Cohen cover % Joni Mitchell cover performed by Lisa solo a capella # The Frames cover @ "Creep" is a Radiohead cover Emiliano wrote: >Hi, David! >Have you any more details (venue or date) about this? >I asked for someone to download this how for me (I have a slow internet >connection) but I need some to be a little bit more specific... > >If I get it, I'll send it to South Carolina and/or anywhere you (any of you) >desire. > >Back to work: Emiliano >Have a Wonderful time! > >NP: Cold Water, Damien Rice ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 07:54:57 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Songs For Joni's "Next" Album - njc > And now Lory wants us to write the lyrics...has she no shame?:) Nuriel, have you not been around the JMDL long enough to know the answer to that question? ; ) Lori, sometimes with a "y" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:53:38 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: I lost my cat tonight njc Dear Rose, I am behind on my digests but I wanted to take the time to tell you how sorry I am for your loss. Eighteen years is a very,very long time. I can't begin to imagine how deep this loss is to you. My stepmother lost her dog of ten years, Sandy a couple of years ago. It was especially hard for her because my father passed away several years prior to this and Sandy kept her company. My father loved Sandy like a child, so it was a connection she could hold on to. I don't think she has ever recovered from it. I think I will give her a call today....take care Rose and feel free to email if you need someone to talk to. Love, Sherelle Rose wrote: He was an 18 year old black Persian male. I came home from work tonight and I thought he was asleep, but soon I knew something was terribly wrong. He was the best companion no other cat will ever replace him. R.I.P. Mr. Peepers _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:13:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: The Ass In Blue I'm sorry, but could someone please explain to me what does "ass" mean in the context of these lyrics from Blue? (I know what an ass is, but what the heck is it doing in this lyric? Is she talking about sodomy?). Also, is this lyric about "nasty" things that one should avoid unlike those who are "sunk" in it? What does 'ass' has to do with 'acid', 'needles' or 'guns', for God's sakes?...Never undrestood it. "Well there're so many sinking now You've got to keep thinking You can make it thru these waves Acid, booze, and ass Needles, guns, and grass" Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:18:42 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: The Ass In Blue As in "piece of ass." As in "Blue's" relentless pursuit of hedonistic pleasures. Ihdiscriminate pursuit of sex as a drug? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Nuriel Tobias Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 12:13 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: The Ass In Blue I'm sorry, but could someone please explain to me what does "ass" mean in the context of these lyrics from Blue? (I know what an ass is, but what the heck is it doing in this lyric? Is she talking about sodomy?). Also, is this lyric about "nasty" things that one should avoid unlike those who are "sunk" in it? What does 'ass' has to do with 'acid', 'needles' or 'guns', for God's sakes?...Never undrestood it. "Well there're so many sinking now You've got to keep thinking You can make it thru these waves Acid, booze, and ass Needles, guns, and grass" Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:26:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The Ass In Blue Its meant as just one more "fast lane" commodity, I think. As in the delightful american bumper sticker: "cash, ass or grass - nobody rides for free". Ass refers to sex. Em - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > I'm sorry, but could someone please explain to me what does "ass" > mean in the context of these lyrics from Blue? (I know what an ass > is, but what the heck is it doing in this lyric? Is she talking about > sodomy?). Also, is this lyric about "nasty" things that one should > avoid unlike those who are "sunk" in it? What does 'ass' has to do > with 'acid', 'needles' or 'guns', for God's sakes?...Never undrestood > it. > > > > "Well there're so many sinking now > You've got to keep thinking > You can make it thru these waves > Acid, booze, and ass > Needles, guns, and grass" > > Love, > > Nuriel > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" ===== ........... "thats just the scale; the fish come later". ;) Norman Blake __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:41:49 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: A Free Joni Cover 4 U, now Damien Rice show with Willy on it Hi, David! Yes it is! A friend is currently getting it for me: I hope he can finish its downloading. He's from Illionois, so it will take a week or so before I can hear it. Then I'll send it to the CoverKing (if he doen's already have it) By the way, Bob, I'm waiting for a show by dear Eva Cassidy (at Pearls, Annapolis, MD, 9/14/94), in wich she sings Woodstock. Yes, I've got (as many of JMDLers) her Time After Time but, would be interesting adding this live cover to y/our collection? Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Hejira, Bethel, 15 August 1998 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:06:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The Ass In Blue > "cash, ass or grass - nobody rides for free". > Ass refers to sex. I guess its actually "GAS, grass or ass"..lol Aunty Em < Subject: Re: The Ass In Blue Speaking of this ... I know we've discussed it before, but I still have to smile when Joni sings the song on MOA and leaves out "grass" ... "Acid, booze, and ass Needles, guns, and ... Lots of laughs lots of laughs" I guess Joni thought she might offend the audience at that 1974 concert, passin' doobies up and down the rows. (Wish I had been there!!) Lori, NOT at work today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:15:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Blue Subject: Re: The Ass In Blue Nuriel, I think she is referring to endulgences of the day when the world was alot more free spirited than it is now because of the diseases. I believe it plainly meant: lots of sex, it was alot more available on a casual basis in those days. at least I found it to be. Nuriel Tobias wrote: I'm sorry, but could someone please explain to me what does "ass" mean in the context of these lyrics from Blue? (I know what an ass is, but what the heck is it doing in this lyric? Is she talking about sodomy?). Also, is this lyric about "nasty" things that one should avoid unlike those who are "sunk" in it? What does 'ass' has to do with 'acid', 'needles' or 'guns', for God's sakes?...Never undrestood it. "Well there're so many sinking now You've got to keep thinking You can make it thru these waves Acid, booze, and ass Needles, guns, and grass" Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:07:27 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: music/file sharing etc njc, now Randy rocks! njc Jim> At work, I discussed this with one of my co-workers and my boss. I said, "I hope the Junkies hold up the album until that law is overturned." My boss said, "Why? Don't you want some free music?" This is a guy who has a 3 acre estate, 2 living rooms, 2 kitchens, etc, etc.< 2 kitchens? You know its really strange how many people view music as something that is free without a thought to how or why they think that is... I have a similar story... Our local Tavern which is a big tourist stop but also a favorite for locals to play put out a complilation cd of some of the bands that play there (jeff & I each have a song on the cd & you can check it out here www.coldspringtavern.com). The booker put her own funds into making this cd, & it will be many sales before she makes her money back. So these 2 guys, one who is a very famous actor most of you would recognize, are interested in buying a copy for each of them... She explains how she produced the cd, how all the bands are local, etc etc. So the very famous actor who most of you would recognize says right in front of her, let's just buy one & we can burn a copy... !!!!!!! I forget if she said anything or just stared at them in silence til the friend said oh no we should buy two... Thank god he got it... Why do so many people, expecially wealthy people who can afford it, think its okay to do such a thing? Do you want to know who the very famous actor who you most of you would recognize is? Think Sex in the City, My Big Fat Greek Wedding & that tv show about Alaska that I forget the name of. Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:37:27 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Songs For Joni's "Next" Album - a contest Lori Fye wrote: > Nuriel and Randy! > > Next request: LYRICS to all of these, please!! I'm way too lazy for that. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:45:59 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Songs For Joni's "Next" Album Nuriel Tobias wrote: > p.s. Sex Smells is the "best", Randy. How about "Urge For Going (To The Toilet)"? I've always thought about the double entendre there-hardly needs amending! "I get the urge for going and I REALLY have to go" Thanks starting this twisted thread! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:55:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: music/file sharing etc njc, now Randy rocks! njc Kate said: "So the very famous actor who most of you would recognize says right in front of her, let's just buy one & we can burn a copy... !!!!!!! I forget if she said anything or just stared at them in silence til the friend said oh no we should buy two... Thank god he got it... Why do so many people, expecially wealthy people who can afford it, think its okay to do such a thing? " I think it started around the time (mid-late 70's?) that a. cassette tapes/decks became affordable for the average consumer and b. car stereos became "better" and more commonplace. Then people started copying stuff off albums like mad, to listen to in the car. And its actually a good thing that was possible, because remember how crummy the quality of commercially produced cassette tapes was? You almost *had* to be able to dub off copies to insure being able to listen to the darn thing for more than a few weeks. Of course thats not the case with CD's which can sit in a hot car without self destructing quite so easily. I like to be able to copy songs so I can create my own compilations and playlists for the car. Anyway, that guy you mentioned Kate....I can only shake my head. What amazingly poor taste. No largess there. Em ===== ........... "thats just the scale; the fish come later". ;) Norman Blake __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:38:13 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: music/file sharing etc njc, now Randy rocks! njc Kate wrote: > So the very famous actor who most of you would > recognize says right in front of her, let's just > buy one & we can burn a copy... !!!!!!! I forget > if she said anything or just stared at them in > silence til the friend said oh no we should buy > two... Thank god he got it... Why do so many > people, expecially wealthy people who can afford > it, think its okay to do such a thing? > > Do you want to know who the very famous actor who > you most of you would recognize is? Think Sex in > the City, My Big Fat Greek Wedding & that tv show > about Alaska that I forget the name of. That would be Northern Exposure, and the actor is John Corbett. But quite frankly, it doesn't surprise me that he would do or say something like this. I've never liked the guy, since I read an interview where he said something along the lines of: "I'll never get married, because no woman could ever be my intellectual equal". What a jerk! Hell P.S. I've been listening to my Jonifest 2001 CDs a lot lately, and just have to say that Kate's version of Woodstock is one of the best I've ever heard anywhere (I can't remember - was that Roberto on piano)? Anyway, you guys rocked! If you want to experience some incredible music - get yourself to a Jonifest! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:47:51 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: music/file sharing etc njc, now Randy rocks! njc Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide - -----Original Message----- From: hell@ihug.co.nz [mailto:hell@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 2:38 PM To: Kate Bennett; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: music/file sharing etc njc, now Randy rocks! njc Hell >That would be Northern Exposure, and the actor is John Corbett. But quite frankly, it doesn't surprise me that he would do or say something like this. I've never liked the guy, since I read an interview where he said something along the lines of: "I'll never get married, because no woman could ever be my intellectual equal". What a jerk!< Which explains why he was hanging out at the bar (another time) with bo derek ... Okay, enough of slamming celebs... Hell >P.S. I've been listening to my Jonifest 2001 CDs a lot lately, and just have to say that Kate's version of Woodstock is one of the best I've ever heard anywhere (I can't remember - was that Roberto on piano)? Anyway, you guys rocked! Thanks for this comment hell! It was the very talented chuck e on piano, or as I like to call him the NICE paul schaeffer (sp?)... (cuz he's just as talented imo) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:57:18 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: music/file sharing etc njc, now Randy rocks! njc Hell writes: << he said something along the lines of: "I'll never get married, because no woman could ever be my intellectual equal". What a jerk! >> Ha! I can think of many women who strike me as being much, much smarter that this guy -- but I won't list them all because the number runs into the millions. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:18:06 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: RE: music/file sharing etc njc, now Randy rocks! njc Hell wrote: > That would be Northern Exposure, and the actor is John Corbett. But quite > frankly, it doesn't surprise me that he would do or say something like this. > I've never liked the guy, since I read an interview where he said something > along the lines of: "I'll never get married, because no woman could ever be > my intellectual equal". Tsk. Too bad for John Corbett that I'm gay! Lori, who has always thought Corbett is pretty cute ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:17:48 -0400 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: I'm Pro-Choice, and Here's Why (NJC) Dear All, I've had a busy couple of weeks, and after trying to read through all the digests I missed, I realized this was folly and that I should just read the latest few. And, naturally, there's no way I can keep my big mouth shut on the abortion issue. I am truly perplexed by Laura's arguments and can only glean that she is coming from a really radical, so-far-left-it's-far-right 2nd Wave feminist viewpoint. Truly, I don't get it, and am open to further elucidation. The Pro-Choice movement is all about women, and I have a really hard time accepting the premise that the legislation we have is any way designed to give male doctors any kind of advantage. I think that this way of thinking is a bizarre distortion of facts. What is the stated goal of this viewpoint? Are you "pro-choice" or "pro-life"? "Pro-woman" is, in my opinion, the essence of the pro-choice movement. So, again, I am perplexed. How is your "pro-woman" different from mainstream "pro-woman"? And what are you talking about anyway, taking belladonna instead of seeking the care of a doctor?!?!?... Is your agenda political or just philosophical? What is the end game? Usually I try to disguise my feelings a bit more politely than this, but really, I just cannot see where your philosophy would lead us.... again, am open to elucidation. OK, back on track: I appreciate the moral quandaries presented by abortion. It is not a simple, black-and-white issue; and deciding when life truly begins, or when a fetus is truly a human, are spiritual and scientific questions which human beings are not currently qualified to answer (with respect to Vince, who knows a whole helluva lot more about the spiritual end than I). I will not attempt here to make any kind of spiritual or scientific argument regarding abortion. Though, suffice to say that everyone I know who has had an abortion has found it to be the most difficult and emotionally wrenching decision of their lives. I am sure there are women who use it flippantly as a means of birth control, but I think that these women are firmly in the minority. So, true to my subject line, I'm Pro-Choice, and Here's Why: I would like to present a pramatic view of the issue. I am truly distressed by the politics of abortion, as well as by the apparent lack of middle ground between the two sides. Which is really unfortunate, since there is a lot of middle ground, if people could just set aside their dogma for a moment. As Patrick wrote, NO ONE is "pro-abortion". I think that everyone can agree that the fewer of them we have, the better, since the end result is that we are ending a possibility, a potential creative life. I am firmly planted in the left-wing, feminist view that a woman should not have her reproductive life controlled by any one or any law, and that all decisions regarding her reproduction are the concern of herself, possibly her mate and her doctor, and no one else. However, left-wing and right-wing ideology aside, the only undeniable FACT in the abortion issue is that abortions will continue to be performed, regardless of the legal status of the procedure. Therefore, we being a nation of allegedly humane and intelligent creatures, should coorperate and make sure that the procedure remains legal; that the procedure is taught as part of a basic medical training; that all women, regardless of economic status, should have access to affordable and safe abortion; that the disturbing trend towards melding of church and state be halted in its tracks; and that we have a somewhat reasonable public debate on the issue. In short, the religious right needs to learn to step back just a little from their belief system, and recognize it as such; they need to see that if they could bring themselves to cooperate with the "invisible majority" and support comprehensive (i.e., not just "abstinence education"), reality-based sex education in schools from an early age and if they could bring themselves to support easy access to birth control, then the abortion problem would largely solve itself. The major problem regarding the abortion issue is that the religious pro-lifers want to mold the world in their image, which leaves the left with little choice but to respond in equally passionate opposition. But if people could just simmer down and sit down at a table with an arbitrator and make lists on the chalk board of what each side wants, I think that both sides would be surprised at how much overlap there is. I realize that asking someone like John Ashcroft to engage in any kind of self-reflection and to recognize that his beliefs comprise a belief system that is no more valid than anyone else's belief system is tantamount to asking Patrick to change teams -- ;-D LOL -- but nonetheless, I have hope that enough people in this country who consider themselves religious are also basically reasonable people who are willing to consider pragmatic, non-dogmatic solutions. Am I just a fool in the rain? Kay npimh: Led Zep's "Fool In the Rain" _____________________________________________________________ The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose, nor disclose all or any part of its content to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:20:36 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: music/file sharing etc njc, now Randy rocks! njc Smurf was correct when he wrote, of John Corbett: > Ha! I can think of many women who strike me as being much, much smarter that > this guy -- but I won't list them all because the number runs into the > millions. Aw, give him a break, Smurf! Maybe John is looking for his EQUAL, but won't accept a woman with an IQ one point lower or higher than his own. ; ) L. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:24:54 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: RE: music/file sharing etc njc, now Randy rocks! njc Kate wrote: > Thanks for this comment hell! It was the very > talented chuck e on piano, or as I like to call > him the NICE paul schaeffer (sp?)... (cuz he's > just as talented imo) Absolutely! And he's far less annoying (big understatement) - - Paul Schaeffer makes me cringe every time I see him! My apologies, Chuck. My memory is not what it used to be - and I was actually there, damn it! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:30:00 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: music/file sharing etc njc, now Randy rocks! njc I wrote: > P.S. I've been listening to my Jonifest 2001 CDs > a lot lately Sorry, I meant 2002 (Full Moon) in this case! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:06:36 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: peas, NJC Bob wrote: BUT if you could tell that 3-4 year old to eat those peas or else they'd be aborted, well lemme tell you those little green doodads would be gone in a flash. Hi Bob! My youngest is 6, and I've thought of putting him up for adoption. If I threatened to abort him, he would abort me instead. My other kids were talking about how they think eventually he will kill me. He shot me in the back with a baseball in a toy store... full throttle! Ouch! He's such a joy and such a pain! But, I keep reminding myself "this too shall pass." Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:53:01 -0400 From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: I lost my cat tonight njc GOD BLESS MR PEEPERS! I'm so sorry, sweetie! I hope Mr. Peepers and my late cat, Beatrice-Louise Dunaway are napping together in heaven! You gave Mr. Peepers a good life, I'm sure. Much Love, Ken Harvey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:52:22 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: I'm Pro-Choice, and Here's Why (NJC) Over the weekend, between 1 and 1 1/2 million people gathered in Washington to tell the folks at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue that women demand control of their bodies. One of the speakers, Whoopi Goldberg, held up a wire coathanger and led the crowd in a chant of "never again!". It was the largest march ever in Washington DC, for anything. I always say that if men could get pregnant, not only would abortions be legal, they'd be free. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:38:56 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: peas, NJC **My youngest is 6, and I've thought of putting him up for adoption. If I threatened to abort him, he would abort me instead. Well yeah, see he's 6 so he's too old for my 'abortion by 5' law. Go take in a flick and get that rascally Andrea Yates to babysit, and you're golden. "Well Laura, I've got good news & bad news - the good news is he's bathed..." Bob, veering well beyond the boundaries of good taste now NP: Natasha Miller, "Peel Me A Grape" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:41:38 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Diana Krall tonight on Letterman vljc Diana Krall will be the musical guest on Letterman tonight She will also be on "NBC Today" tomorrow morning (Tues) Also on the tube: TUES APR 27 Ellen Degeneres Show (syn) : Liz Phair Craig Kilborn Show: Liz Phair THU APR 29 Conan O'Brien Show: Patti Smith SAT APR 30 CNNFN The Music Room : Norah Jones (EST): 10:30am/2:30pm/ 5:15pm/11:30pm/3:30am ps there is a group from San Francisco called The Court and Spark. Went to their web page, but there was no mention of Joni, so to hell with them! RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:53:05 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: realities, NJC Vince wrote: A embryo is an embryo and a fetus is a fetus. When a fetus comes to term and born and draws in the breath of life, it is a living human being. Hi Vince, Thank you for sharing your biblical definition. You mentioned the embryo and fetus. In medicine, the embryo and fetus are both considered to be living human progeny . Beyond birth, the individual is a neonate and then an infant, toddler, a child, an adolescent, a young adult, an adult, a middle age adult, and an elderly adult... none of these are considered to more or less human than the others in the realm of medicine. Interestingly in Alzheimer's disease (my specialty), by the end of the disease, the individual goes back into the fetal position and is very much like a neonate. One physician who collaborated with our studies, held the interesting opinion that individuals with Down's syndrome are not human because they don't have the full human genome of 46 chromosomes; they lack the second chromosome 21 so they have only 45 chromosmes. He had no problem with an embryo having 46 chromosomes being considered to be human though. We all live different realities, as varied as there are individuals I would guess. And, I was enlightened to hear about yours. This brings me back to Joni's words, "guesses based on what each set of time and change is touching." Love and awe, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:27:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: music/file sharing etc njc, now Randy rocks! njc --- hell@ihug.co.nz wrote: > Kate wrote: > That would be Northern Exposure, and the actor is > John > Corbett. But quite frankly, it doesn't surprise me > that he > would do or say something like this. I've never > liked the > guy, since I read an interview where he said > something along > the lines of: "I'll never get married, because no > woman > could ever be my intellectual equal". What a jerk! Obviously. None of us is stupid enough for him. (Never liked him either. Too smarmy.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:33:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: I'm Pro-Choice, and Here's Why (NJC) --- Randy Remote wrote: > > I always say that if men could get pregnant, not > only would > abortions be legal, they'd be free. > RR Here in Canada, they are free. Well, not free, in fact, because nothing really is, but covered by our provincial health insurance. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:40:02 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: soul, NJC Marianne asked: Also, when do you think a soul enters a body? Hi Marianne, Let's discuss this sometime. I'm heading off for Chicago and am feeling the time stress of preparing for the trip, but I do love to discuss philosophy, and the soul is just such an awesome topic... later. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:51:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time NJC --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Garret writes: > > << If you have not read The Curious Incident of the > Dog in the Night-Time by > Mark > > Haddon then do yourself a favour and invest in a > copy. It is one of a kind > > (well, if anyone can name another book narrated by a > character with a > > developmental disorder - in this case Asperger('s) > Syndrome - i would love to > > read it!). >> > > You're not reading your JMDL, Garret! I highly > recommended this book a couple > of weeks ago, and I mentioned at the time that it > reminded me of another > great book I read recently -- "Motherless Brooklyn" > by Jonathan Letham. It's just > what you're asking for, "another book narrated by a > character with a > developmental disorder." (In this case the disorder > is Tourette Syndrome.) I was > introduced to this book by Chuck E at last year's > Jonifest. He brought it to the > Incredible Lieve and Mags Jonifest Book Swap. A BIG > must read! Good old Smurf let me read "Motherless Brooklyn" when I know he really wanted it last year at the Jonifest book swap. I agree - definitely worth reading. You start thinking like this guy after a while, and his tics begin to make sense in their own strange way. It made me realize that there's a very short distance between what is normal behaviour and what could be obsessive-compulsive behaviour or a tic of some kind. After reading this, I then read another of Jonathan Lethem's books, "Gun with occasional music" which is pretty good too - very odd - not as good, IMO as "Motherless Brooklyn" but also worth reading. And at Smurf's suggestion, and because, after he mentioned it I also remembered having read about this book elsewhere, I've got an order in at the library for "The Curious Incident..." I think I'm about 832nd in line for this, so it's popular! Fortunately I think the library must have about 100 copies, so it may take less than a year 'til I get it. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #192 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)