From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #190 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, April 25 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 190 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: I lost my cat tonight njc ["ron" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #189 [BCM HUMAN RESOURCES] more no fags NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: drs. have permission to not treat gays. njc [Richard Goldman ] pro choice, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: alarm njc [Em ] Re: Connecting the Dots - and Trying out new songs in concert [Bobsart48@] thank you! and how I got into Joni ["Kate Cox" ] the stories behind words. NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: Smug Americans, NJC - now short [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: thank you! and how I got into Joni [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Smug Americans, NJC - now short [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE: (NJC) pro-whatever [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Smug Americans, NJC - now short [LCStanley7@aol.com] Joni is quirkier? ["Russell Bowden" ] RE: Connecting the Dots - and Trying out new songs in concert 98% JC ["La] Old Thread: DJRD and recommendations ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: voting in the us (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] I want to write to Joni Mitchell ["Dylan Rush" ] Greetings from Jazz Fest [Michael Paz ] Re: Greetings from Jazz Fest [Randy Remote ] (NJC) Back to life - and a little bit about choice [Lori Fye ] mr. peepers [Jennifer Faulkner ] Re: Connecting the Dots - and Trying out new songs in concert 98% JC [Bob] Today's Library Links: April 25 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:20:12 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: I lost my cat tonight njc hey rose.... i really am sorry to hear about your loss. just this morning i was lying in bed, listening to a cat fight outside, & thinking how much it sounded like babies crying. then i realised it was really appropraite how the 2 sounded alike - my cats really are kind of my babies love ron - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 24 April, 2004 5:28 AM Subject: I lost my cat tonight njc > He was an 18 year old black Persian male. I came home from work tonight and I > thought he was asleep, but soon I knew something was terribly wrong. He was > the best companion no other cat will ever replace him. R.I.P. Mr. Peepers ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:18:05 -0500 (CDT) From: BCM HUMAN RESOURCES Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #189 This user is no longer with Baylor College of Medicine. Thanks, Baylor College of Medicine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:38:58 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: more no fags NJC Patrick Leader wrote at the end of one of his posts np - britten, canticles, with an all-canadian cast. thanks to my dear friend roberto, who just a couple of nights ago told me that he too has given up both smoking and drinking. bravo sir! ROBERTO from FEST? well done Roberto for joining the smoke free "land of the hoping to live longer".... If not Roberto from Fest then well done to your friend anyway.... Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 03:09:20 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: drs. have permission to not treat gays. njc If someone's so-called faith-based training or tenets tell them not to provide services to me, than that faith is f#*cked-up, and so is their so-called religion. I won't even dignify it with naming the so-called religion of the old leaders up in the gallery, looking down on the house voting. But also, who in the right mind, of us, would even want a provider with such ignorant narrowmindedness to be medically responsible for our care? It will never fly, the ACLU and courts will be on their asses, and I don't believe we are going that far backwards. I hope, anyway. Randall Terry, the founder of Operation Rescue's son, Jamiel, came out of the closet on Thursday, 3 days before the huge March for Women's Lives in DC. Have you read about their interviews, public statements? How far and few between are the fanatical right wing fundies who actually tell their child, 'you are no longer welcome in my house'? A lot, I bet, sadly. You can read about it on OUT.com's site, at: http://www.out.com/feature.asp ~Richard n.p. Stevie Ray Vaughn - Pipeline (on RadioParadise.com - check it out, it's awesome) >Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:47:11 -0400 >From: "patrick leader" >Subject: drs. have permission to not treat gays. njc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 03:22:41 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: correction Re: drs. have permission to not treat gays. njc the n.p.should have been: David Byrne - Lazy, from his new album <'hidden track' apparently, according to RadioParadise.com> > Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:47:11 -0400 >From: "patrick leader" >Subject: drs. have permission to not treat gays. njc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:16:31 +0100 From: "tantra_apso" Subject: alarm njc What a night! I have been wearing an ecg machine, strapped to me for a few days. This morning, soon after falling alseep the damn thing went off-an alarm that least about 3 mins. Well, Napoli who was in bed with me went nuts which in turn set the the ones downstairs off including 6 9 week old pups. It was ages before they all calmed down and Napoli stopped giving me filthy looks! I returned the machine to the gp today. Okay so when the alarm went off my first thought was 'my heart stopped'. My second thought was 'i couldn't have had the first thought if my heart had stopped'. Anyway, it seems it recorded 2 'events'. Now we will see what. probably me getting a start because of the (*&^%$# alarm! bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:01:33 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: pro choice, njc >>The last thing we need is a flame war here over this issue. (Vince said) Well, we can discuss this issue here on the list if we can do so reverently. That is the kind of list I think we all want to have. Lieve, I respect your comments. They are courageous, in the sense that many may want to challenge them. . . I really don't know where I stand on abortion anymore. . . and I am willing to discuss it if you can all be kind. I've been to pro choice rallies in my 20's. But I wouldn't go anymore. Since I turned 40 (I am now 44) and these two beautiful twins came into my life, my feelings about abortion seem to be changing. These 3 year old girls have really done something to me. I don't want to outlaw abortion, but then again I don't want abortions to exist, unless the mother's life is in danger. It is so complex. Sooo many factors to consider. Some may say, it is so complex, so leave it up to the mother to decide. And then I say, "yes, I agree." But you notice how I wrote "mother." (instead of "woman"). I caught myself doing that. . .I am genuinely serious here. and I notice I say the word "baby" instead of the word "fetus." I don't do this on purpose. I think it is reflecting my values. So, I am sort of like pro choice. . but then again I am anti abortion. So what am I? I am one of those people who ARE open minded on this issue. . . but I am tending toward not wanting to sanctify abortions unless the woman's life is at stake or if she has been raped, and other extreme instances. But then I say to myself, who is to judge what the extreme instances are? Am I? I don't want to be. I have heard the phrase, "abortion stops a beating heart." What do you think of that statement? Also, when do you think a soul enters a body? Some of my very good friends and relatives have had abortions. I cast no judgment here. Everyone has reasons. I am not even heterosexual. I have never been pregnant. I see parenthood as the biggest commitment there is. No easy task. . . . seeking truth and fairness . . I take a stand on just about everything else. . . this is out of character for me. "the truth is dense and shaded . . a living forest." LOve Marianne >>Vince and Jerry could you explain why you disagree with Lieve's 'fact'? >>Whilst I have no objection to a woman aborting by choice(not my place to >>object or not) I still can't see how a 4mth grown or 3 mth grown is not a >>baby. >>bw >>colin >Lieve said > > >Just for one simple fact: after a certain number of weeks, a baby (call > > it foetus) in the womb is just as much a baby > >as one that's just come out after 9 months. I have posted this before, > >because I think it is the one thing that most pro-choice people try to > >ignore. > > > > > >Jerry responded: Please don't assume this Lieve. In my case, it is just >that I don't agree >with your statement as one of fact. > >I very much agree with Jerry. > >Vince - ------------------------------ tantra-apso wrote: >Vince and Jerry could you explain why you disagree with Lieve's 'fact'? >Whilst I have no objection to a woman aborting by choice(not my palce to >object or not) I still can't see how a 4mth grown or 3 mth grown is not a >baby. > > > > >>Why do we disagree with that 'fact'? I cannot speak for Jerry but for me, >>that is not a fact, not remotely. >>The last thing we need is a flame war here over this issue. >>A embryo is an embryo and a fetus is a fetus. When a fetus comes to term >>and born and draws in the breath of life, it is a living human being. >>That is the Biblical definition - when breath happens. >>At 3 months or 4 months along the fetus is certainly potential life and >>everything that happens is of a serious consequence but an in utero fetus >>is a fetus, not a baby. If it is miscarried, one mourns the loss of >>potential life, not life itself. >>I have been ordained going on 27 years now and worked in foster care along >>the way and a long, long time ago I learned that real life is far more >>complicated than sentimentality and abstract definitions given to things >>removed from reality. >>I am not going to do battle over this issue. There are many complexities. >> Those complexities and all considerations that need to be weighed get >>lost because someone has an emotional reaction to something along the way. >> In all the years that I have done ministry I have never seen a decision >>on abortion made frivolously and I deeply, deeply resent that a woman in >>emotional and medical distress who has to make a profoundly heart >>rendering difficult decision, that there is any implication that a "baby" >>is involved. Spare me the vocabulary, I live in reality and those are the >>definitions with which I work. >>(the Rev) Vince - ------------------------------ >From: "tantra-apso" >Subject: Re: (NJC) pro-choice >I am very suprised at your response. i asked a civil question and expected >a >civil reply. Why didn';t you just say you can't or won't answer the >question? >I was not baiting you or intending to argue. i really wanted to know the >answer. I guess you don't know the answer. it would ahve been more honest >of >you to say that than to have a go at me for asking a legitimate question. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 07:02:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: alarm njc colin.... good morning - wishing you a peaceful day, or- at least a day free of that sort of drama. can't even imagine how that must be. rose.... so sorry about you losing your cat. I guess he was an elderly fellow though. Sure you'll never find another "like" him..but maybe pretty soon a new little guy will come along and win your heart. and to the rest of you......wishing you all a lovely Saturday. My morning is starting out way good. Have the house to myself. Listening to "celtic melt" on iTunes radio but am thinking of throwing an old Bruce Cochburn album on because I wish to hear "Happy Good Morning Blues" so....my morning is nearly chelseafied... my goal, besides painting painting painting... ummm, ok "put on the day" and *definately* to "speak in present tenses"..or at least think that way. warmth and FUN to all... Em - --- tantra_apso wrote: > What a night! I have been wearing an ecg machine, strapped to me for > a few > days. > This morning, soon after falling alseep the damn thing went off-an > alarm that > least about 3 mins. Well, Napoli who was in bed with me went nuts > which in > turn set the the ones downstairs off including 6 9 week old pups. It > was ages > before they all calmed down and Napoli stopped giving me filthy > looks! > I returned the machine to the gp today. > Okay so when the alarm went off my first thought was 'my heart > stopped'. My > second thought was 'i couldn't have had the first thought if my heart > had > stopped'. > Anyway, it seems it recorded 2 'events'. Now we will see what. > probably me > getting a start because of the (*&^%$# alarm! > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:32:12 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Connecting the Dots - and Trying out new songs in concert A while back, I wrote **my perception is that Joni's typical "art first, commerce second" approach in this area was relatively rare. Do you all agree ?** and Bob Muller replied "I don't find it particularly noteworthy, Bob...most artists who are in "heavy growth mode" as Joni was at that time will keep their creative juices flowing and will use the road to try out and test new material. I would venture to say that of the many concerts I've attended, about half featured a comment by the artist saying that they were going to play some new songs." Bob, thanks for sharing your experience. However, my lead in to my quote above was "On the scale of venue in which Joni was performing (TV / Carnegie Hall / Paris Theatre)" These three appearances were rather more than merely "being on the road" to my sensibilities - they were truly special events (her first - only ? - televised full concert appearance, a Carnegie Hall concert, and a concert that was to air on BBC radio with her "special guest" rising star/accompanist. And, it wasn't just a song or two - it was a half dozen each time. So, my question is, does anyone remember anything quite comparable to that ? You know, like the Beatles appearing on the Ed Sullivan Show to do two new songs that nobody had ever heard before ? Bobsart PS - my best recent experiences involved the Moody Blues in November playing a few tracks from their latest Christmas song album "December", but I think that record was already out by then, no ? Also, I saw Emmy Lou at Carnegie circa November - I do not recall her playing songs from her recently (subsequently ?) released CD (where she did the songwriting - bravo to her for embarking on a 'new' career so late in the game), but I could easily be mistaken in that regard (my seats were crummy and the sound was awful, so I could have missed what she was saying). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:41:50 +0000 From: "Kate Cox" Subject: thank you! and how I got into Joni I just wanted to say thank-you to everyone who has sent me a post or e-mail welcoming me to the list! Bree asked me how I got into Joni. I have a feeling that if I recount it in detail, it will sound a lot like someone telling you the story of how they fell in love with their boyfriend or girlfriend! Ie fascinating to the person telling the story, but not so much to the person listening! But suffice to say, my Dad has the best taste in music of anyone I know, and I have long rooted through his record collection to satisfy my need to listen to something decent (not much modern music appeals to me, but I'm not criticising it!). I borrowed 'Hejira' from him when I went away to university a couple of years ago, and at first I couldn't really relate to it, but gradually I noticed that when significant emotional events in my life occurred, lyrics from 'A Strange Boy' would start weaving into my thoughts. One day I decided to just give the whole album a proper listen, and its impact on me was absolutely inexpressible. I actually thought I might be going mad, because I had never heard anything so brilliant in my whole life! I realised that I had been waiting for this voice, this narrative, for absolutely years. Joni sang things that I could not possibly ignore, things that spoke to me on such a personal level that I made quite drastic changes in my life and my identity. Mainly the line I quoted before: "We're only particles of change, I know, I know, orbiting around the sun, but how can I have that point of view when I'm always bound and tied to someone?". Taking control of my life wasn't something I had as much experience in as Joni does, and I made some pretty bad mistakes along the way, and when I did I found perfect reflection and empathy in the painfully beautiful landscapes of Blue, FTR and STOAS. Even though I know the lyrics to these albums (and others!) backwards now, I still need them as a constant narrative and analysis. Some people I know find it quite strange that I empathise with Joni to the extent I do, but all I can say is that I never really began to understand myself, other people, or human relationships in general until the first time I played Hejira. I'm also equally into her albums which are more of a social commentary, especially HOSL. Sorry that was such a long answer and I have a feeling it did sound like someone describing the beginning of a love affair, despite my efforts! Does anyone else have any stories about how they got into Joni? I would really love to hear them if so! Best wishes Kate Cox - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay in touch better and keep protected online with MSNs NEW all-in-one Premium Services. Find out more here. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:02:11 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: the stories behind words. NJC Dear All of you I wrote a piece the other night about Joni as a poet and I included a Haiku by my mother Joy. Several people wrote off list about it and I wrote back and told them the story behind it. They urged me to share the story with the list. I have had to think long and hard about this as it is a story that I have held very close to my heart as a memory of my childhood, revived four years ago when going through her personal papers after her death, and finding the paper with the Haiku on it. The writing was that of my mother as a young woman. The haiku was written on a piece of lined paper, illustrated around the edges with her doodlings and various little snatches of other words and thoughts. She was a consumate wordsmith and doodler, a woman of many facets and shadows and light. There is a date on the paper 22nd August 1961 (her 36th birthday). And I remember it all very clearly. At that time my father (an education officer in the Royal Navy) was on the last half of a tour of the Far East and was in Hong Kong. He had left when I was three and he had become someone who existed on taped stories as the voice of a young man, as someone who sent me the postcards I still have today, and as someone who sent exotic dolls and exquisite Noritake china in huge packing cases. His homecoming was something that was marked on a huge calendar that hung on the kitchen wall, along with a map of the world showing the path of the boat he was on. We lived in Bristol in the west of Southern England. 1961 was pre Beatles, the milk was delivered in a churn and measured out into the milk jug from the back of the horsedrawn milk float (or if you were posh you had bottles delivered). The horses wore rubber shoes to reduce the noise. WE lived in the top floor of a large victorian villa, with enourmous Castor palms in the garden, a large conservatory at the back with a grape vine and geraniums in it ..that our landlord would let me water. We had no television and would listen to the radio, particularly Forces Favourites on a Sunday, when the requests of families at home were played for the men and women serving overseas. I do have this very Norman Rockwell ,minds eye, picture of Mum in a floral skirt, low heeled slip on shoes, her hair "set", a rope of beads at her throat and a soft jumper and cardigan twinset. My sister and I sitting on the carpet either reading or drawing whilst mum wrote, or drew, or knitted, or just read something. My brother was at Boarding school and his memories of my mother are entirely different. It was a world of waiting for "blueys". This was the name given to the aerogrammes that arrived three times a week (when the ship was tied up alongside) and my mother would read them to us, apart from the ones that were just for her. When the boat was at sea the intervals between posts were terribly quiet times for my mother and I can gauge this only because I remember the joy at their arrival and how she would hug the bundle of carefully numbered "blueys" to her chest and smooth them lovingly before opening them. ON 21st August 1961 a telegram arrived. I can remember my mothers hands shaking as she opened it. A Telegram was something extremely rare, and always dreaded. They usually meant someone had died. She gasped and sat down hard and then went into a frantic reading and re-reading of this thin paper with its tapes of printed words on it. A huge smile spread across her face. It said "Be at No6 on 22/8 from noon GMT STOP Will phone STOP John STOP," No 6 was my grandparents house. THEY HAD A PHONE. We walked round there, my mother in a dress, us in our best clothes (why?) Our best behaviour was ordered and demanded and promised in return for a Mars Bar each! (EACH!!!!!) WE arrived at about 11.30 and after that we had to be VERY GOOD. The phone rang several times and each time Mum stood with eyes wide and a look of deep apprehension on her face. She would take up the phone and say " Hello? ". The calls were quickly despatched and the waiting continued. My Grandmother would pick up the phone to check that it was working and in those days there was an operator who would say "operator services, please give the number you wish me to connect you to " and Granny would say "Oh its all right dear I just wanted to check the line was working" This drove mum batty... But she was far too polite to say so. At 6pm the phone rang and my mother answered... "Hello?" And the tears started to fall silently down her face, and she sat there saying "Oh John, Oh John, Oh darling, Oh John, Oh my love, Oh John" The call lasted probably less than 2 minutes. After the phone went dead she sat there looking down at her fingers. Tears splashing onto her dress. She had a way of pressing her knuckles into her cheeks when she wanted to keep emotions in check and she pressed them so hard into her face that when she took her hands away the blood seemed to take ages to fill the white areas where the knuckles had indented. She got up, and took her handbag (brown leather with a gold and brown clasp) with her, and said "I am just going for a bit of a walk" and we had to stay with my grandparents who suddenly seemed to be very full of things we could talk about and do.... Clearly she went to the local park, down by the library where she and my father had met when she was a librarian, and she had sat on a bench. The doodles are of the bench, children on a swing, a bird, a fountain, some sketchy clouds and a mother with a pram. The haiku that she wrote that day, after that phone call was, Your voice when we speak Accross the pain of distance Flowers in my heart. Those 17 syllables are just to me what my mother was about. A woman of heart and mind. Maybe now that I have shared this with you all I can move on properly. Grief is a strange process. It has led me to places and thought processes, and realisations that have come unbidden. It has opened me like a wound and bled me of the inconsequential things to which I had granted inordinate importance. It has made me appreciate that life is precious. It has made me kinder. It led me to look for chords to a song by an artist called Joni Mitchell. It has led me to you all. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:01:28 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Smug Americans, NJC - now short Jerry wrote: I have no idea where you get your information, but it is conjecture, Hi Jerry, I have heard not only from liberal politicians but also from physicians who perform abortions that doctors' rights are a motivator in prochoice politics... but perhaps I wasn't clear in conveying that I know this is not an exclusive motivator beyond the right of women to make choices. There are other motivators too like population control and as Patrick pointed out, indirectly gay rights. Everybody seems to want to put their own ingredients into the pie, while the crust still says it is the women's right to choose pie. I do think doctors rights are important, and that we should be concerned about overpopulation and working toward for gay rights. However, I specifically do not like the way doctors' rights have become a motivator in the prochoice movement as I said earlier in this ongoing discussion. To deny the fact that doctors' rights are involved is rather ludicrous and is of no benefit to women. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:01:46 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: thank you! and how I got into Joni Kate writes: << I actually thought I might be going mad, because I had never heard anything so brilliant in my whole life! I realised that I had been waiting for this voice, this narrative, for absolutely years. Joni sang things that I could not possibly ignore, things that spoke to me on such a personal level that I made quite drastic changes in my life and my identity. >> Boy, are you in the right place! Thanks for a wonderful story that I am sure has heads nodding thoughout the known Joniworld. << I know the lyrics to these albums (and others!) backwards now >> Get thee to a Jonifest, sister. I will never forget my first one when I was in a room filled with people who knew -- and were singing -- all Joni's lyrics. That never happens in "real" life. Have a great weekend, - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:01:36 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Smug Americans, NJC - now short Jerry quoted: We made the case to the American Medical Association (AMA) that the partial-birth ban was an infringement on their professional independence. Hi Jerry, Thanks, interesting articles... You don't have to be sorry because ludicrous was my opinion, but I accept your apology. The quote above is cement for my opinion. This is in the minds of those who have previously empowered the prochoice movement more purely for WOMEN'S rights, not doctors' rights. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:48:13 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: RE: (NJC) pro-whatever Patrick wrote: laura's being dishonest. i wrote: WHAATTT? i just can't believe you are suggesting that the pro-choice movement is driven by any doctors (mostly men, you say) who WANT to perform abortions. she responded: Hello? Wake up! I didn't say the prochoice movement was driven by doctors. I said the concept of doctors rights is focussed on by some politicians. but her original post said: Prochoice in my experience isn't really about being for women's choices but is rather about the rights of doctors (mostly men) to perform abortions. Hi Patrick, I could similarly call you dishonest because you said, "...laura's response. i do not intend to respond to her post, which is a shame because...." and then you responded to my post by writing the above. Did you perhaps mean you did not intend to respond "directly" to my post... like to me directly but only through the list? I'm puzzled because you emailed me me what you sent the list so it sort of was directly sent to me. I don't believe you are dishonest Patrick although this is puzzling to me. I don't see anything dishonest in what I wrote above. There is a big difference in something "being driven by doctors" and in being, "about the rights of doctors (mostly men) to perform abortions." I enjoyed Lieve's post too! Thanks Lieve. Lieve mentioned she would not be proud of a grandmother who aborted 4 times. I'm not sure of the exact number of times my grandmother aborted; I don't think anybody but she knew for sure, and maybe she lost count. I am definitely proud of her. I am proud of her for being a strong woman and making her own decisions about her body even though I wouldn't choose to make the same decisions. Despite the fact my grandmother and I had some differences, I admire her... thru and thru, true and true. I suppose some people would not be proud of her. There were some people in our family like that, and they austracized her and abandoned her. I'm okay with them too, even though I wish things had been different. I think we all do the best we can do. Don't we Patrick? All my love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:51:42 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Smug Americans, NJC - now short Jerry wrote: But the AMA REJECTED the argument. Hi again Jerry, Yes, I know that. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:59:55 -0700 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Joni is quirkier? Gang, If this has been posted already, please forgive blah yadda blah. I read on online review of D Krall's latest where it mentioned her singing some covers from "quirkier writers like Joni Mitchell". In all the Joni years of my life, that is one word I NEVER came up with to describe her. The review was in the NY Post. Aloha nui, Russellulu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:20:11 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Connecting the Dots - and Trying out new songs in concert 98% JC Maybe one: was "All You Need Is Love" out when they did it on TV? But your point is taken, at least with me, about singers doing "known" stuff on TV shows. There are some concerts where she said, "Here's a new one.." and there is something more than polite applause; at some shows the audience recording show something approaching wild enthusiasm. That doesn't happen with every artist. The hit-machine-bands often don't see lots of enthusiasm for new stuff. On the other hand, there are venues, ("showcases?") where people do small shows for industry people and other artists. At those shows (which I have never attended) I've read that the whole point is often to display the new stuff. The intent is to help the marketing people create a "buzz" well before release. (How many times have we read something in Rolling Stone like "JT killed 'em last night at the Bottom Line with several new songs?") Cheryl Wheeler did 2 new songs this month but that was a 200-seat venue; nothing like taking unproven stuff on TV. I'm just glad Joni didn't do the "Junk Man" song or "The London Bridge Song". :) If the Carnegie Hall show was telecast, how come we can't buy the damn thing? Every last person who's seen bits JMDL treed, and the bits on "Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart And Mind" has been transported to another plane. I want the Carnegie Hall show on DVD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All the best, Jim From: Bobsart48@aol.com [mailto:Bobsart48@aol.com] These three appearances were rather more than merely "being on the road" to my sensibilities - they were truly special events (her first - only ? - televised full concert appearance, a Carnegie Hall concert, and a concert that was to air on BBC radio with her "special guest" rising star/accompanist. And, it wasn't just a song or two - it was a half dozen each time. So, my question is, does anyone remember anything quite comparable to that ? You know, like the Beatles appearing on the Ed Sullivan Show to do two new songs that nobody had ever heard before ? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:54:34 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Old Thread: DJRD and recommendations I haven't bought DJRD on compact disc yet, but I did listen to it again last night, and I have a renewed appreciation for it as a coherent work of art. I didn't even find it necessary to pick up the needle and skip the last 4 minutes of "The Tenth World"--though the studio version of "Dreamland" is the best version of a great song, I think. And yes, "Silky Veils" is a sublime amalgam of "Wayfaring Stranger" and "Come all ye Fair and Tender Ladies" with just the right combination of respect and ironic distance. I have a single disc turntable, and did in 1977, too. The quaint set-up of the sides for the "record changer" means one has to pay attention to keep the thing in the proper order: one disc has sides 1 & 4, the other sides 2 & 3. And putting the lp back, I'm not sure of which disc goes in which inside sleeve--anybody know? - -----Original Message----- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com [mailto:SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 3:18 PM To: "Richard Flynn"; "Lori Fye"; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: DJRD and recommendations Excellent point, Richard. I think it's just the difference between following her own path, which is what she did with DJRD, and being influenced by Klein to bring in all the pop guests, which was the case with CMIARS. "A Bird That Whistles" from the same album is less the celebs and the gauze of the rest of it, which works in its favor to be sure. Bob NP: REM, "Pilgrimage" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 02:26:04 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: pro choice, njc Hi, folks! let me put my 2 cents. in this: Marianne : > > I don't do this on purpose. I think it is reflecting my values. So, I am > sort of like pro choice. . but then again I am anti abortion. So what am I? > Yes, just like me... I'm certain I'm pro legislate abortions: as Laura said: it will continue to exist these horrid, desperate, tragic & sad decisions, so we, as society, +ought+* to procure better ways for doing it (with the less amount of danger for the woman - maybe many against choice don't give a d*mm about it). So, I'm for allowing laws to help women in her (rare) decision. but first thing first: a real +good+ education on sex and responsability of course some religious' POV about contraception don't help nothing on it, or you could discuss this? Well, Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Ethylene, John Hiatt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:00:57 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: voting in the us (NJC) Yes, we had some good news here in CA, in that the paperless diebold machine will most likely be decertified for the 2004 elections... I don't know if this was the result of a grassroots campaign but I think it may have been... There are so many issues that are so important these days... I am exhausted trying to keep up & do the right thing by as many as possible... Thank goodness for email! But something is really wrong when it takes this much effort to fight stupid or corrupt politics... Another place to read about the dire state of our voting machines is in last month's (April) Vanity Fair... I must say that magazine is doing some pretty amazing investigative work these days... Re: medical rights for gays, this is yet another stab... Recently I posted a link to something similar- the legality of firing gays... I have a hard time understanding how anyone who is gay could support this administration with all these attacks on their basic human rights... Patrick>i sent the independent article below to kate a while back, about the danger our democracy faces from the vendors of electronic voting machines. it's very scary. there's some moderately good news in california, though. nothing definite, but the beginnings of a backlash.< Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 11:15:32 +1000 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: I want to write to Joni Mitchell I'm going about the process of writing to all my heroes. I wrote to Yoko Ono, she wrote back, so now I'm writing to Joni Mitchell. How would I go about this? I've tried all these creepy celebrity-address websites but they all cost money and I don't know how accurate they'd be. Who is Joni's management? Should I ask Nonesuch? _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 21:13:49 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Greetings from Jazz Fest Hello All from Jazz Fest in New Orleans. As usual I am very very busy for Jazz Fest but have been having some fun as well. Tomorrow I start work on a documentary movie about New Orleans music which will be out on Columbia TriStar soon. The actual concert is on Tuesday night. It is called Southern Nights. The concert is called "Make It Funky". It should be a lot of fun seeing how tons of the musicians are friends. A few international musicians are participating like: Keith Richards, Chris Robinson (part time New Orleans resident and married to a very cute Kate Hudson), Steve Jordan (of Dave Letterman fame and also an Xpensive WinO, Bonnie Raitt, Steve Winwood (who I am very excited to see) and tons more. I will file a report when I come back down (so to speak). I am dreadfully behind on all the threads and birthdays but wanted to send a shout out to my pal Walt (the noodle monster!!!) and my dear friend and book worm Lieve. Hope you had wonderful days and I will toast you as soon as I go get me a bottle of Gordons at the super. Also wanted to sign up as one of the Tom Robbins junkies. I love the man and his work. Esp. Roadside Attraction and Still Life and Jitterbug Perfume (which was partially set in New Orleans. I like John Irving equally as much and am entertained in the same sort of way by their writing styles. I have always called them "absurd realists" which I am not really sure what that means but it makes sense to me. I just love their twisted way of looking at things and being humorous about things. Anyways love to all and have a great couple of weeks. Hope to catch up with you all soon (I am about 700 emails behind). See some of you in a very short time up in the Catskills (MAKE YOUR RESERVATIONS NOW!!!!!!!!!) Love Paz NP-Mona Lisas and Madhatters-Nikki at last years fest ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:42:36 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Greetings from Jazz Fest Congrats, Michael, even tho you are too busy to read this! Michael Paz wrote: > Tomorrow I start work on a > documentary movie about New Orleans music which will be out on Columbia > TriStar soon. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:49:33 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Back to life - and a little bit about choice Hope this doesn't post twice; email system is doing something odd. Just finished working a marathon week, including a non-stop 28 hour session at at the office. But the biggest project of my professional life (at least that I can remember) is now finished and on its way to the intended recipient, with a backup copy sent to our office in that market just in case the primary package is lost. (I didn't do all that work just to have it miss deadline!) Lots and lots of threads to read and perhaps add my pennies and nickels to, but I'll try to catch up on what everyone has written first before loading and firing. The "pro-choice/pro-whatever" thread has me particularly intriqued, but that's such a hot button issue that I'll definitely do my homework on everyone's posts before getting into it. One thought, though (I just can't resist): One of the factors in the contining debate is, of course, a woman's dominion over her own body. That right can be and has been extrapolated to include gays and lesbians -- and more importantly perhaps, transgendered people who wish to undergo physical gender transformation. The reason the choice movement been appropriated by the LGBT (or GLBT, if you care who's "on top") community is simple: if the law (or the Church) can tell a woman that she may not have an abortion or make other reproductive choices, what's to stop it from telling ANYONE what they cannot do with their bodies? Afterall, sodomy (which includes oral sex) is still against the law in some U.S. states. Yes, recently the Supreme Court effectively ruled those laws unconstitutional, but the Court's members and bias can change *just like that*. I'm sure many women's rights groups are annoyed that some of the LGBT communtity rides the coattails of the choice debate, but the LGBT concern is valid: If the the rollback of "body control" rights is allowed to begin, where does it end? Lori, back to reading NP: blessed silence - -- Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:55:51 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Smug Americans, NJC - now short When you read this subject line, don't you hear David Bowie singing in your head, "Smug Americans, smug Americans, they are the smug Americans ..." ?? ; ) Lori - -- Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 21:01:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Faulkner Subject: mr. peepers I'm so sorry you lost your cat. I had a similar experience with my ferrets where I thought they were asleep only to find they had died. I have two cats now and will be very sad when they pass away. I'm sure your cat was very special and you love him very much. Love, Jennifer Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 02:06:09 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Connecting the Dots - and Trying out new songs in concert 98% JC Lama wrote If the Carnegie Hall show was telecast, how come we can't buy the damn thing? Every last person who's seen bits JMDL treed, and the bits on "Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart And Mind" has been transported to another plane. I want the Carnegie Hall show on DVD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, I would like to see either or both of the Carnegie Hall concerts on DVD, too, but I did not say that it was telecast - I was referring to the Pink Dress concert, which contained several songs (some as yet unfinished) from Blue. Bobsart (who does not believe Carnegie Hall knows what they have in those old tapes (assuming they were taped)). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 02:17:20 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 25 On April 25 the following article was published: 2000: "Joni Holliday" - Chicago Maroon (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=502 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #190 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)