From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #185 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 22 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 185 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: A Musical Gift NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Joni , James and Jonatha Brooke [BRIANASYMES@aol.com] RE: a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Smug Americans, NJC - now short [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Giving JT his due, njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] BF -- NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Giving JT his due, njc [Em ] Re: Smug Americans, NJC - now short [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Wonder if Joni's behind this one? -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Giving JT his due, njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- NJC [MING] RE: A poet can sing; sometimes we try, yes we always try ["Bree Mcdonough] Re: Wonder if Joni's behind this one? -- NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A poet can sing; sometimes we try, yes we always try -- NJC [Smurfyco] NJC -- was Jimmy Carter, now the dead at Dover [Smurfycopy@aol.com] smug .. . njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Calling an American, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: NJC -- was Jimmy Carter, now the dead at Dover ["Cynthia Vickery" ] [NortheastJonifest] RE: a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- NJC ["Donna B] Re: njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: njc [Em ] cinematics in Hejira ["Kate Cox" ] My Piano Songs - Please have a listen and let me know what you think! NJC ["o" ] oops - My Piano Songs pt 2 - Please have a listen and let me know what you think! NJC ["o" ] Re: oops - My Piano Songs pt 2 - Please have a listen and let meknow what you think! NJC ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Smug Americans, NJC - now SHOT [LCStanley7@aol.com] article about music/file sharing etc njc [Em ] Re: njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] now short, smug Americans -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: NJC -- was Jimmy Carter, now [vince ] Re: now snorting, smug Americans -- NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- NJC [mags] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:07:08 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: A Musical Gift NJC Hi Nuriel Thanks for your offer. I'll be sending my address off-list and looking forward to getting the music. I will of course retaliate with something of my own mixing. An impertinent question: how come these CDs contain nothing from Dead Can Dance? mike in barcelona NPIMH Dead Can Dance - The Wind that shakes the Barley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 03:09:24 EDT From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: Joni , James and Jonatha Brooke Hello After a year of being a very busy independent Architect receiving unemployment I now am employed at a large Architectural Firm that does produce very good Architecture, but now to the point. My Heritage with James started with seeing him in the early 70's at the Auditorium Building in Downtown Chicago. A very old but Historic Hall the first in that city to have Edison, DC lights and Air conditioning designed by Louis Sullivan. JT brought on Carly who sang her hits Anticipation Etc. Later I moved to Boston/Cambridge and Visited McLean Hospital were JT was a patient and the Milton Academy allegedly the cause of his problems. To much of my time was spent at the Plough and the Stars on Mass Ave drinking some dark frothy liquid. Those college years bring tears to my eyes. Now to just last week I went to see Jonatha Brook play here in My town just recently on her latest CD Back in the Circus she does a fine new Fire and Rain. So after the Concert she came out to Sign CD's. I presented here with The Joni and James 1970 BBC songs, I told here that Joni and James were a couple during this period which surprised her.Jonatha show was the best she has developed a powerful deeper voice which she allows to surface on a couple songs that night. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:57:38 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- NJC darling noodle man, happy birthday, walt! i'm trying different kinds of chignons to be your piano teacher. love, wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Smurfycopy@aol.com > Enviado el: Miercoles, 21 de Abril de 2004 10:38 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- NJC > > > It's Earth Day on the 22nd, and you know what that means . . . it's Big > Walt's birthday! Yes, the performance artist who brought us Joni > Noodles is > catching up to our beloved ancient Catherine in the years > department, so why not give > a VERY LOUD SHOUT out to Big Walt in San Francisco, AKA > justalittlebreen@aol.com > > XO, > > --Smurf, the Earth Day Birthday Gnome ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:06:44 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- NJC Wally! What have you done to the Birthday Fairy?! The Gnome doesn't deserve to tread upon her fairy dust! And the Deputy has apparently retired to Florida. BRING BACK THE BF!!! BRING BACK THE BF!!! (everybody) BRING BACK THE BF!!! BRING BACK THE BF!!! BRING BACK THE BF!!! XO, - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:08:01 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Smug Americans now broadway show tunes, NJC Thank you Patrick. .. . . . and now some thing you said is going around in my mind over and over again. YOU SAID that all children should be exposed to Broadway showtunes. This has personal meaning to me: First, because I am very much connected to two beautiful 3 year old girls (MY SISTER's TWINS!. . I love them) They are fraternal .. . scorpios, Nov. 2, 2002 . . Their names are Connie and Bella. . .and I want to expose them to all the important things. and Secondly, because broadway shows have NOT been much in my reperatoir. .. so I am learning about them myself. . For example I am watching MY Fair Lady for the first time on video (i am half way though it). Is there perhaps a cd set with a combination of good broadway showtunes that I can get them started with? Thanks again Patrick That was a very sweet post my fellow aquarian Marianne >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:19:42 -0400 >From: "patrick leader" >Subject: RE: Smug Americans, NJC - now short >i think this is definitely a justified 'me too'. among the real pleasures >of last summers' jonifest was meeting bree (and of course, marianne) and i >knew and know even better now that, despite our political divide, i truly >care for bree (and of course, marianne) and of course lori, and of course >so >many jmdlers. i'm so looking forward to meeting them all again in >oliveira. >patrick _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:13:49 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: A poet can sing; sometimes we try, yes we always try In a message dated 21/04/2004 19:06:52 GMT Daylight Time, sellout48@hotmail.com writes: << I think this statement is self-explanatory. With 'Help Me', I think Joni intended to create a feel-good pop song; with 'Hejira', she wanted to explore and analyse the contents of her consciousness in a more profound and intensive way. >> Welcome to the list Kate - it's always great to see another Londoner on the scene :-) As for these two songs, I think it's almost an unfair comparison - after all, compare any lyric to Hejira and it might look a little impoverished! It is, as far as I'm concerned, the greatest song from the greatest album ever. I'm always aware of a tendency of some to argue that poetry is somehow "better" than pop lyrics, and that is something I tend to argue against. After all, put the lyrics of Hejira to the tune of Help Me and it would sound ridiculous, setting aside considerations of scansion and so on. One definition of poetry (I think it might have been Oscar Wilde's) is "the best words, in the best possible order." On that basis, I might contend that Help Me is every bit as poetic as Hejira, even though I would readily concede that isn't as profound a song. Azeem in London (Crouch End, to be precise) NP: Kate Rogers - The Girl Who Fell Through The Ice (beautiful song, gorgeous voice) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:24:29 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- NJC **(everybody) BRING BACK THE BF!!!** The covers guy, frantically scouring every nook and cranny for every recording of anybody singing a Joni song and with duplicitous maliciousness smashing every recording of Handel's Messiah, is also attempting to recover the now pollen-dusted but still gossamer wings of the nefarious and winsome BF so that he/she/it can re-ascend in true phoenix fashion and regain its singular and unique celebratory essence...he joins the blue Smurfish aquaman, not in name only, but also in the sacrificially pleading refrain: B R I N G B A C K T H E B F !!! Bob NP: REM, "imitation of Life" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:27:44 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] RE: a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- NJC the BF is buried under tons and tons of monographs and reading the complete works of sigmund freud and jacques lacan. every tuesday morning the BF sits behind a one-way mirror and takes note upon note as psychotic children attempt to murder their therapists. fridays the BF teaches pragmatics of human communication to help defray tuition costs. the BF has been engulfed by the PSY world. the BF says: "OH SHUT UP...! wally, late for his rorschach seminar > -----Mensaje original----- > De: murphycopy@aol.com [mailto:murphycopy@aol.com] > Enviado el: Jueves, 22 de Abril de 2004 08:01 a.m. > Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; joni@smoe.org; Justalittlebreen@aol.com; > northeastjonifest@yahoogroups.com; FMYFL@aol.com > Asunto: Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- > NJC > > > Wally! What have you done to the Birthday Fairy?! The Gnome > doesn't deserve > to tread upon her fairy dust! And the Deputy has apparently > retired to Florida. > > BRING BACK THE BF!!! > > BRING BACK THE BF!!! > > (everybody) > > BRING BACK THE BF!!! > > BRING BACK THE BF!!! > > BRING BACK THE BF!!! > > XO, > > --Smurf > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9rHolB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NortheastJonifest/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:58:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Wonder if Joni's behind this one? http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/lcac (I'd wait for them to fix that pricing typo before buying it, though...) Bob NP: Lovemongers, "Battle of Evermore" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:29:31 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- NJC Happy Birthday to my Jonifest roommate!!!!!! Stay outta da bushes. Xoxo Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:29:34 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Smug Americans, NJC - now short Colin wrote: The very same argument can be used against the anti choicers-how many of them are willing to help raise the child they don;t want aborted? Hi Colin, I can't speak for all "anti choicers"... I can't say I know many people who are actually against reproductive choice, but I can say that I do known many people who are willing to help raise the child that would otherwise be aborted. I have friends in social services who place such children and know whole churches that offer such services, including the church I go to. We even have a large sign out infront of our church that reads, "Pregnant? Need help? We, the members of this church community, see in each baby conceived to life, a fresh expression of God's unending love, for the love of God and each and every one of his children, we offer immediate and practical help to any woman faced with what might seem to be a crisis pregnancy. The only condition is that the child be allowed to be born." I have been pregnant, 5 times. I have given birth to three sons. Being pregnant and giving birth isn't easy. Maybe it is for some women, but it never was for me. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:34:04 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: Transerformance Guitar Tunning NJC I think maybe if Joni asked they'd try and fit it on something else lighter. Imagine getting an endorsement from Joni. I figure it would help sales alot. I think the biggest limitation is that it only tunes 2 notes up and 2 notes down from regular tuning. Probably not enough for some of Joni's tunings. ron wrote: >hi > > >>>>>>ken wrote >>>>>>There was a story tonight on Discovery TV concerning a new system for >>>>>> >pre programing tunings for guitars. unlike the VG-8 this is not computer >modeling but uses a small computer to change the tension on the actual >guitar strings.....................and as of now it's only for Les Pauls >and Strats and Teleys. No acoustic yet. Might be real boon for > on-stage performers who use lots of tunings but want to get a real guitar >sound. > >thanks for the link ken. this sounds like the system used by sonny landreth, >(who definitely gets some *real* guitar sounds out of it.) > >someone, i think it was paz, once mentioned that joni tried this system, but >rejected it. i would have to guess that it was the weight of the system - a >les paul, plus all those servos & bits is gonna weigh a whole lot more than >any parker fly. > >ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:41:49 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Smug Americans, NJC - now short Laura, Your answer was honest and sincere. Abortion is a difficult decision for anyone to make, but at least women now have a choice. I remember the days when they didn't. And it wasn't until they did that the anti choicers came forth with offers. They were no where to be seen when abortion was illegal. The only choice a girl had was a dangerous operation done under horrible conditions, or to carry to term filled with society's scorn. Maybe that is why those of us who lived through those days still fight the hardest for a woman to choose. Jerry > Colin wrote: > > The very same argument can be used against the anti choicers-how many of > them are willing to help raise the child they don;t want aborted? > > Hi Colin, > > I can't speak for all "anti choicers"... I can't say I know many people > who are actually against reproductive choice, but I can say that I do known > many people who are willing to help raise the child that would otherwise be > aborted. I have friends in social services who place such children and know > whole > churches that offer such services, including the church I go to. We even > have a large sign out infront of our church that reads, "Pregnant? Need help? > We, the members of this church community, see in each baby conceived to life, > a > fresh expression of God's unending love, for the love of God and each and > every one of his children, we offer immediate and practical help to any woman > faced with what might seem to be a crisis pregnancy. The only condition is > that > the child be allowed to be born." I have been pregnant, 5 times. I have > given birth to three sons. Being pregnant and giving birth isn't easy. Maybe > it > is for some women, but it never was for me. > > Love, > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:10:43 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Giving JT his due, njc The first time I heard JT, it was on the radio singing his song, "Fire and Rain". Even at a young age, I was very impressed with the studio quality of his recording. What I love most about JT is the way he utilized the drums on this song. The one part where the drum breaks down a little right before the last verse sold me on the whole song. I love the way he creates such a richness and texture in his recordings. I only have one JT CD, "Hourglass" and I absolutely love it! It's like he drops the bottom out and creates this whole new level of listening. He does it with his back-up singers as well as with the instruments he uses. Even when he is alone with his guitar, there is still such a richness to his sound. I really love it. Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ From must-see cities to the best beaches, plan a getaway with the Spring Travel Guide! http://special.msn.com/local/springtravel.armx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:10:52 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: BF -- NJC The Covers Guy impressively wrote: <> Wally, I think you should warn the BF about this guy!!! I think he may have taken the BF hostage and is starting to write let him/her/it!!!!! BF............PLEASE COME BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy Birthday, Walt!!!!!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 06:22:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Giving JT his due, njc - --- Sherelle wrote: > Even > when he is alone with his guitar, there is still such a richness to > his > sound. In my opinion this is the BEST. Just him and the guitar. Cuz the man can play! Wish there were more all acoustic albums. Or more, shall we say, seriously stripped down production. :) Em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:26:54 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Smug Americans, NJC - now short Jerry wrote: Abortion is a difficult decision for anyone to make, but at least women now have a choice. I remember the days when they didn't. Hi Jerrry, Abortion is not a difficult decision for some women. My grandmother, back in the 30's aborted every baby she and my grandfather conceived, except for my dad. She chose to have him. She had a really easy abortion method she worked out on her own... safe and successful, something she could do in the comforts of her own home. She didn't need the help of doctors and nurses to do this... not even a midwife. Wink. She had the choice back then and the intelligence to know how to do it without putting her own life in jeopardy. I sometimes think abortion is a men's issue more than a women's issue (or should I say "womyn's issue"). Women have been and will always be in control of their own bodies. In my opinion, it's cultural oppression that says women need governmental or medical help to truly have safe and successful control of their own bodies. I strongly disagree because of my own history and that of my family. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:48:30 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Wonder if Joni's behind this one? -- NJC Bob writes: << http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/lcac >> You just do these things to piss me off, don't you, Muller . . . You saw the dreaded "self-confessed" in the product description and HAD to post this, right? And "Litterbox Boogie?" Too much evil in one URL! Here it is: What can I say? As a self-confessed feline fanatic, I flipped over this CD! But I hasten to add, whether you are a feline fan or not, this CD is a delightful listen. With song styles from the folksy "The Totally Curious Cat" to the '50s style Ballad "Kitty Knows More Than I Do" and everything in between; the Cat-A-Tonic CD has a wonderful, original range of music. I do believe however that this CD should come with a warning. The music is so catchy that you will probably find yourself at the litter box, scoop in hand, humming "Litterbox Boogie"! And, if cats could buy their own CD's they would insist that their owners listen to "It's All About Me-ow" at least three times a day! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:34:02 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Giving JT his due, njc (Please forgive if sent already...I can't remember!) The first time I heard JT, it was on the radio singing his song, "Fire and Rain". Even at a young age, I was very impressed with the studio quality of his recording. What I love most about JT is the way he utilized the drums on this song. The one part where the drum breaks down a little right before the last verse sold me on the whole song. I love the way he creates such a richness and texture in his recordings. I only have one JT CD, "Hourglass" and I absolutely love it! It's like he drops the bottom out and creates this whole new level of listening. He does it with his back-up singers as well as with the instruments he uses. Even when he is alone with his guitar, there is still such a richness to his sound. I really love it. Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:05:39 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- NJC "Happy Birthday to the noodle man"! Here's to a stiff one today (cocktail that is). oxox Mingus&Rolls ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:28:04 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: A poet can sing; sometimes we try, yes we always try Hi kate and welcome. Nice to have you here. (welcome to Em ..too..I don't think I welcomed you ) A bit ago, Mags from the list, suggested doing just this; read the lyrics ..speak the lyrics sans the music. I tell you I gained a whole new appreciation for Joni the poet. I did this over the phone lines and then again with just myself. Yes...and joni has so many different elements...you said a bunch here. How did you come to find Joni? Bree >Of course it's impossible to imagine how you would respond to Joni's >lyrics if you'd never heard the music, but I really think that it would >be possible to read the lyrics from STOAS, Blue, FTR, and HOSL (these are >just my personal choices) and to experience the wholeness of their >meaning without losing anything from the lack of music. On those albums, >either the lyrics or the music could stand alone in their brilliance: >their combination is so perfect, accurate, sensitive and beautiful that >sometimes it's too intense to bear! > >Some of Jim Morrison's lyrics (released on record and unreleased) have >been published, and they lose nothing in strength or impact from a lack >of musical accompaniment. His first gravestone in Paris (before it was >stolen) bore the words 'Poet and dreamer'. Joni should certainly be >accredited for being a poet, as well as a songwriter, musician and >artist. She has so many different elements, and she is both talented and >free enough that they never contradict each other. > >Kate Cox in London > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Stay in touch better and keep protected online with MSNs NEW all-in-one >Premium Services. Find out more here. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:55:57 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Wonder if Joni's behind this one? -- NJC I pissed you off? Bonus! Bob NP: Bettie Serveert, "Palomine" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:10:47 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: A poet can sing; sometimes we try, yes we always try -- NJC Bree asks: << How did you come to find Joni? >> Find Joni? I didn't know she was missing! (cyber rim shot) Welcome, Kate! Some of our best posters are named Kate or Catherine. I hope you enjoy it here. And Em, welcome! It's nice to know that all of Lori's friends aren't obnoxious gasbags! I have been enjoying a lot of the posts lately from newcomers and people who don't often speak up, such as Patti. Patti, your son is so lucky to have a mother like you. I think it would be a much better world if more mothers "fought with every ounce of passion" to keep their children out of senseless wars. You may have saved his life. And thanks for the bit about St. Paul. Having never read the bible, it was news to me! (And something I needed to read at the time.) - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:35:10 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: NJC -- was Jimmy Carter, now the dead at Dover Patti writes: << My beloved son almost joined the Air National Guard last year and I fought that with every ounce of passion in my being >> The Pentagon isn't allowing photos of the flag-draped coffins arriving at Dover AFB. Thank God this war is happening in the Internet age so people can see one aspect of what they get when they support this foolish war. This waste of young lives and "enemy" lives must stop. Here's a link to photos of coffins arriving at Dover, if you can stand to look at them. http://www.drudgereport.com/dover.htm And can anyone answer this question: Why is the Pentagon not being challenged on this policy? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:38:25 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: smug .. . njc The war: >I realize that now that we've started it, we must >stay and make things right again, Yes, (I mean, "Yup") Now that we are there I really think that we have to STAY, or all of this madness would have been for nothing. . . things will revert back. . . we're in this now . . .and we're in it B I G . . . (reminds me of that line in the movie, Pretty Woman. Julia Roberts says, "you made a big mistake, H U G E !) How about our "officials" not talking about the future price tag until after the election? Please tell it like it is, boys (and girl). If we don't stay, I feel we would have made TWO mistakes. Hopefully, if Kerry gets elected, we can get some significant international support. . .not just the bullying kind. Marianne >I think it's this simple: People -- soldiers and airmen and marines from a >number of countries (not just the U.S.), and CIVILIANS who never had any >power >or say-so to being with -- are DYING in the thousands. People are dying >and >becoming maimed, and the United States of Arrogance did not have to begin >this >war when it did -- it could have waited -- and it seems to have begun it >for >"reasons" that were not yet proved. >And there's no end in sight. I realize that now that we've started it, we >must >stay and make things right again, but we also have to realize that we have >allowed this administration to f*ck up in a BIG way and its actions have >put us >ALL even more in harm's way. >Lori _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:49:06 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Calling an American, njc Psychedelic, herbal or otherwise? gonna share Bob? : - ) Marianne >Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:41:04 +0100 >From: Garret >Subject: Calling an American NJC >Hi, >I'm looking for a small favour; i was wondering if any American on the list >would be willing to let me have a small packet delivered to their address >and >then pass it on to me in London? I would obviously cover any costs >involved. Sounds a little suspicious like that;-) >If anyone can help, email me off-list with your address etc. >Thanks, >GARRET >Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:23:15 -0400 >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >Subject: Re: Calling an American NJC >Garret, >I'll be happy to help you if you'd like. >Bob _________________________________________________________________ Test your Travel Quotient and get the chance to win your dream trip! http://travel.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:03:26 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: NJC -- was Jimmy Carter, now the dead at Dover that cute blue guy said: <> now me: I'm not a particularly sentimental person, but these pictures made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. To reduce the worth of these lives by not allowing the public to mourn them is a crime - and the victims of the crime aren't just the folks in the coffins, it's all of us who are being bamboozled by our governments and their endless spin and deception. I saw today that there are 596 less Iraqi "insurgents" (read: human beings) out there since 04/01/04. Blowing up all these people doesn't seem to be bringing peace, does it? I certainly don't know the answers, but we ALL have to start asking hard questions to the people that we've put in charge (or who were led by God to steal the election, or whatever....). VOTE! cindy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:16:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC -- was Jimmy Carter, now the dead at Dover Cindy said: > I certainly don't know the answers, but we ALL have to start > asking hard questions to the people that we've put in charge (or > who were led by God to steal the election, or whatever....). > > VOTE! I haven't said anything about these war conversations, mostly because I can see and understand all the points of view that we have expressed so far. But I wanted to share this one thing, because I think it was big. Our local news tends to really whitewash the war news as it affects the homefront. i.e. local boys who are getting killed, or guys coming home on too-short leaves and having to go right back, etc. But I think it was last week, there was coverage of the funeral of one boy who'd been killed, from Bradenton, about an hour south of here. So young. Graduated high school just last May, so this kid wasn't a year out of high school yet. Joined the Marines doing the "follow in the family footsteps" thing. And now, dead. "home in a box" But the reason I mention it, is that the local news coverage was pretty stark. The guy's former classmates (and family of course) were not just at the funeral sniffling and looking sad...but some actually heaving and sobbing. HARD and long. Torn up, they were. It just really drove the point home for ME (not that I need to have it driven home) but more importantly *maybe* it drove the point home for others who sugarcoat miltary service and our involvement. Maybe that kid's classmates and relatives aren't quite so gung ho now and maybe that can trickle down some, so less people are so freakin gung ho & happy that "we got us a war". GF and I both cried over this boy's funeral on the TV. I guess it's just his age that hit us hard. A kid. Anyway, like I said I sure do see all the arguments put forth here so far. Even the arguement that we better not pull out now. But I guess I wish we would. :( Em ps and I had hoped this thread was gonna be about a concert ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:16:57 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC -- was Jimmy Carter, now the dead at Dover Well, I am particularly sentimental, and I have a 17-year-old son who's getting ready to graduate from high school and has his whole life now unfolding before him, and I had the same feeling looking at those pictures as I did looking at the planes flying into the WTC. And we're now approaching the 1-year anniversary (May 1) of when Bush said "Mission Accomplished", and celebrating the end of the major fighting. Sheesh, I'd rather have a box of tic-tacs: http://maddox.xmission.com/tictacs.html Bob NP: Bettie Serveert, "The Link" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:28:26 +0100 From: "tantra_apso" Subject: njc Joni is just an old whinge bag. Most of the people on this list are even worse. in fact ALL of the people on this list are worse. I think we should just nuke every bastard and get it over with. And before you rush to reply and tell me how evil I am, i just don't give a fuck. TWO, yes TWO, days without a fag. The first in 30 years. It's easy. i am FINE. Just FINE. It's easy. Now where is that damn button.... bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:00:34 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: [NortheastJonifest] RE: a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- NJC Happy Birthday Big Walt! love db >>> wallykai@fibertel.com.ar 4/22/2004 5:57:38 AM >>> darling noodle man, happy birthday, walt! i'm trying different kinds of chignons to be your piano teacher. love, wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Smurfycopy@aol.com > Enviado el: Miercoles, 21 de Abril de 2004 10:38 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- NJC > > > It's Earth Day on the 22nd, and you know what that means . . . it's Big > Walt's birthday! Yes, the performance artist who brought us Joni > Noodles is > catching up to our beloved ancient Catherine in the years > department, so why not give > a VERY LOUD SHOUT out to Big Walt in San Francisco, AKA > justalittlebreen@aol.com > > XO, > > --Smurf, the Earth Day Birthday Gnome - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor - ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9rHolB/TM - ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NortheastJonifest/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:55:49 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: njc > Joni is just an old whinge bag. Most of the people on this list are even > worse. in fact ALL of the people on this list are worse. I think we should > just nuke every bastard and get it over with. And before you rush to reply and > tell me how evil I am, i just don't give a fuck. > TWO, yes TWO, days without a fag. The first in 30 years. It's easy. i am FINE. > Just FINE. It's easy. Now where is that damn button.... Well I've been 2 months without a fag! Oh wait. You're from the UK. You mean....... Never mind. Good luck, Colin. If Smurphy can do it, you can. Jerry np: Betty Buckley - Looking Up (from William Finn's Elegies) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:02:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc - --- tantra_apso wrote: > It's easy. Now where is that damn button.... oh no! not the BUTTON! Colin's finger is on "the" button???? "the button" we all hope doesn't really exist, even for Bush or the north Koreans. The "button" we can't find out in the Iraqi desert anywhere? You know the "button"? the Bay of Pigs "fear" button?? Colin you don't mean "that" button do you? Hope your day improves. Em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:02:43 +0000 From: "Kate Cox" Subject: cinematics in Hejira >i'm just going to remind everyone, especially those who haven't heard this >rant of mine before: hejira is unbelievably cinematic, and that's a huge >poetic achievement. >EXT: snow-covered chimneys on urban rooftops, night sky, slightly blurry >CAMERA, reverse pan until full moon, slightly comes into view. >VOICEOVER >"those chimneys and the clouds look like truce flags" >CAMERA, reverse pan until it becomes clear that moon, clouds and chimneys, >are seen in reflection of high-modernist glass-box building >INT: CAMERA, continues reverse pan until window frame and generic hotel furniture comes into view. >which sort of connects with lucy's early thread about visuals. this is my >single most forceful visual that i experience listening to joni's music, and >i treasure it every single time (though i don't really hear the voiceover, i >was just trying to be clever) Thanks for this Patrick, those last few lines of 'Hejira' have always puzzled me a bit as they seemed disjointed. The best I could come up with that she was projecting her desire for a resolution -"We're only particles of change, I know, I know, orbiting around the sun, but how can I have that point of view when I'm always bound and tied to someone?" - on to the urban landscape around her: "White flags of winter chimneys wave truce against the moon". I think she does kind of the same thing in 'Willy' when she projects Graham Nash's (?) feelings on to what he can see through the window: "He said I feel once again like I gave my heart too soon, he stood looking through the lace at the face on the conquered moon". However, I could never figure out that bit about the mirrors of the modern bank and the window of the hotel room, but I see what you mean, it is a camera panning in from different angles and reflecting the previous image in the next one! It all makes sense now! But why do you think she would have used a cinematic device like this? I can't think of anything else in the song which refers to movies or anything. Kate C - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a free connection, half-price modem and one month FREE, when you sign up for BT Broadband today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:07:31 +0100 From: "o" Subject: My Piano Songs - Please have a listen and let me know what you think! NJC Hi all, I've just finished building a website which has 4 of my songs in mp3 format. They're all piano based, some quiet some loud, I'm trying to mix soul, folk, pop and jazz - so I'd love to know what the Jonifans think of them, and the Laura Nyro fans too, as she's also a big influence on me. There's also information about gigs I'm playing around London for any UK listers. The address is www.owenduff.com, thanks in advance! Peace to all, Owen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:14:39 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Smug Americans, NJC - now short Jerry wrote: But your grandmother could have been jailed for aborting her own fetus. Would that have been acceptable to you? Hi again Jerry! They would have had to catch her and prove it which would have been pretty much impossible given the way she did the abortions. Smile! I'm not saying I agree with the laws from back then nor with the laws now. What I am saying is that women are intelligent and will always find ways, to keep control of their bodies and take care of themselves despite how men think we ought to do it or try to define what is best for us. Women need not buy into the lies. "We shall overcome." I can't help but notice the lies in the terms prolife and prochoice... I don't buy into either. Prolife in my experience isn't really about being for human life but is rather about imposing a moral belief system on people. Prochoice in my experience isn't really about being for women's choices but is rather about the rights of doctors (mostly men) to perform abortions. Life and choice are both good things. Maybe someday we will have a system that promotes both. But, I'm not holding my breath. Growth is a process. And, it happens when we are true to ourselves. My daily goal is to make love and tolerance my code, and that means toward those who call themselves prolife and toward those who call themselves prochoice despite the fact that I am neither and a little of both. Duality... afterall, I'm Don Juan's reckless daughter! Big smile! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:23:47 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: My Piano Songs - Please have a listen and let me know what you think! NJC > www.owenduff.com Owen, Are you sure the address is correct. Getting a Server Not Found message when I try to access it. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:26:04 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Smug Americans, NJC - now short > Jerry wrote: > > But your grandmother could have been jailed for aborting her own fetus. Would > that have been acceptable to you? > > Hi again Jerry! > > They would have had to catch her and prove it which would have been > pretty much impossible given the way she did the abortions. Smile! I'm not > saying > I agree with the laws from back then nor with the laws now. What I am saying > is that women are intelligent and will always find ways, to keep control of > their bodies and take care of themselves despite how men think we ought to do > it or try to define what is best for us. Funny. I have always looked at antiabortion laws as those imposed by men on women. Like, how dare you want to abort what I have planted in you. I guess we just see things differently. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:35:51 +0100 From: "o" Subject: oops - My Piano Songs pt 2 - Please have a listen and let me know what you think! NJC Sorry folks it's actually www.owenduff.co.uk - having a bad day! Thanks to those who already tried, owen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:56:30 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Smug Americans, NJC - now short Bree Mcdonough wrote: > For oil...???? Please.. that is ridiculous. > and the fact that Bush and Cheney are oilmen and Iraq has the 2nd largest oil reserves in the world is a coincidence. We are smack dab in the middle of the Middle East for humanitarian reasons. Or was it WMD? Or was it 9-11? Al Queda? I keep forgetting. I heard: we're building 19 military bases in Iraq politicians talking about instating the draft ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:08:09 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: oops - My Piano Songs pt 2 - Please have a listen and let meknow what you think! NJC Beautiful, Owen, I enjoyed those. Perhaps you could play them for us in person at Jonifest 2004??! db >>> "o" 4/22/2004 1:35:51 PM >>> Sorry folks it's actually www.owenduff.co.uk - having a bad day! Thanks to those who already tried, owen This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:01:15 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: NJC -- was Jimmy Carter, now the dead at Dover Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > The Pentagon isn't allowing photos of the flag-draped coffins arriving at > Dover AFB. > And can anyone answer this question: Why is the Pentagon not being challenged > on this policy? Has the mainstream media challenged ANYTHING regarding this war, Iraq I, Gov.Bush as a candidate,,,,ad nauseum..... you know, the liberal media.....they have honored every request made of them, with a wink. If you look at who owns the media, it all makes sense. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:09:59 -0400 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: question of the day question of the day: I got an email from a friend who is a teacher, one of those emails you send out to 50 people, and she says: I need a song for my class for Earth day - does anyone have the words to Big Yellow Taxi? I wish every email I got was as easy to deal with as that was! Happy Earth Day - Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:28:19 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Smug Americans, NJC - now SHOT Jerry wrote: Like, how dare you want to abort what I have planted in you. Hi Jerry, What did you plant in me? LOL... just kidding. Most men don't care what they plant in women who have abortions in Arkansas... they just want it out so they don't get pinned with a DNA test later and have to pay for the little bastard. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:45:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: article about music/file sharing etc njc http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326133722.html I found this pretty interesting. Was wondering what some of you all might think about this. I personally refuse to download entire albums or even mass quantities of easily commercially available stuff. But I do have some stuff like from Limewire. Stuff I would NEVER have bought out of the blue just browsing at a record store. Then, having gotten a first little introduction from hearing something I downloaded, indeed I bought the CD. Like the group Madreblu, from Italy. First heard them on The Sopranos soundtrack (which I bought). Then downloaded another tune. Now I simply *must* have the CD! Anyway I know this is a touchy subject. And I know its quite probable that you guys have already pulverized this topic in discussion here. But when I read this article, it occured to me to wonder, hmmmmmmmmmm wonder what the jonilisters might think. :) Only if you feel like it! Em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:56:04 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc Colin writes: << TWO, yes TWO, days without a fag. The first in 30 years. It's easy. i am FINE. Just FINE. It's easy. Now where is that damn button.... >> Woo-hoo, Colin! As I always say, if *I* can do it, anyone can. Not smoking has so many benefits, although I did find myself nodding at the "Joni is just an old whinge bag" bit. GO, Colin! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:02:17 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: now short, smug Americans -- NJC Laura writes: << My daily goal is to make love >> An admirable ambition, dear Laura! So much more exciting than *my* daily goal, which is to get up. XO, - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:12:51 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: NJC -- was Jimmy Carter, now SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > >http://maddox.xmission.com/tictacs.html > >Bob > > > Tom Ridge and Karl Rove will be hunting you down for that one http://users.chartertn.net/tonytemplin/FBI_eyes/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:20:08 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: now snorting, smug Americans -- NJC Smurf wrote: An admirable ambition, dear Laura! So much more exciting than *my* daily goal, which is to get up. Have you tried Viagra? (gotcha back!) Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:25:00 -0700 (PDT) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: a BIG birthday wish for BIG Walt -- NJC Most beloved Walt... a gift for you... one of the most beautiful pieces of writing I've ever read. I love it so. On this your birthday and every day Walt, I hope that you will be graced with all the love and joy your heart can hold. love, magsnbrei and the puppies too ;-)) ***** I, the fiery light of divine wisdom, I ignite the beauty of the plains, I sparkle the waters. I burn the sun and the moon and the stars, with wisdom I order all rightly. I adorn the earth. I am the breeze that nurtures all things green. I am the rain coming from the dew that causes the grasses to laugh with the joy of life. I call forth tears, the aroma of holy work. I am the yearning for good. - -hildegard of bingen- (1098-1179) ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #185 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)