From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #179 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 20 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 179 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni & her Non-Hits [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: icu njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] ya'lls pictures/jonifest/ who's guitar is this? [Em ] wtrf [Bruce Kimerer ] Iraq NJC [kate@katebennett.com] Re: Connecting the Dots - and Trying out new songs in concert [kate@kateb] RE: wtrf ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: War no more! NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: ya'lls pictures/jonifest/ who's guitar is this? [Lori Fye ] Tamara Williamson - for anyone in striking distance of London njc [AzeemA] RE: wtrf ["Richard Flynn" ] after reading kate's post ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: sobriety, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE: American Masters - Balanchine (njc) ["patrick leader" Subject: RE: icu njc Dear Colin, I am so sorry that you are going through this. Please take care and know that I along with everyone else will be thinking good and positive thoughts for you. I am also sorry that you have had to suffer the misdiagnosis torment. Sometimes it really angers me how smug some doctors can be when they are holding someone's life in their hands. Please keep us posted. Love, Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:08:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: ya'lls pictures/jonifest/ who's guitar is this? http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/album26/FR_1000PM_Claud9_detail_Roll_E_f7 Who is this person?? This is exactly like my guitar except mine has double "diagonal slash" inlays on the neck..same old-style Gibson shape tho..kewlest! Mine's a '59 - same as me. I'm really enjoying seeing all these pics. You all are just, hmm, how can I put this ..... GLOWING!!!!!!! and not in a nuclear sense! like as in the "shiny happy people" sense. Wish I could come this summer. Not sure I'd fit in but *maybe* if I behave myself. Great pics! Em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:15:58 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: wtrf I must say that WTRF is a real nice record. Have been listening to it after a long time. And enjoying it a lot. To me, it's Joni's let's have fun rockn roll album, without the sonic and lyrical baggage of DED & CMIARS. All the songs have a light production touch, not too heavy, not too spare. Her voice is great. And the lead off track is so strong that it gives emotional weight to the whole endeavor. All in all, it sounds like an inevitable step after DJRD and M. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:27:02 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Iraq NJC bp> Just in from an evening at the VFW Portales, NM...shooting pool with my AF son, having more than a few beers, and generally having a great time. that is wonderful you were with your son, i have had my prayers going for him as i thought he was in iraq... is he home for now? i hope so... >While surfing the net for hockey play-off news, I came upon a column by Mitch Albom of the Detroit Free Press. Some of you may know him as the author of "Tuesdays at Morries," I know him from ten years of living in Detroit and reading his marvelous columns...mostly sports, and mostly Wings. So...without further ado, here's Mitch: (But before I go, two last words: GO WINGS!!!) thanks also for mentioning mitch & morrie... i loved his book & it was especially meaningful to me as it was at the time my mom had just died from the same disease that morrie had... i wish they could have met as they would have loved each other... mitch does a good job at showing how divided we are as a nation & a world over this issue... "The war in Iraq is over, it was declared so by a president wearing a bomber jacket and landing on an aircraft carrier -- or it isn't over, it goes on every day, and more troops are dead since that photo op than before it." this one is pretty clear though... i doubt many people think this war is over, regardless of what bush declared "The war in Iraq was fought with a coalition of the willing -- or a coalition of the arm-twisted." how about a coalition including a large number of the paid mercenaries... "All that we know for sure, on this one-year anniversary, is that the war in Iraq has divided America like nothing since Vietnam, and the hate we once reserved for terrorists, we are now spewing at each other." i disagree with mitch, i don't think we are spewing hate at each other... i think there is a lot of disagreement... which is not the same thing at all... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:40:51 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: Connecting the Dots - and Trying out new songs in concert lama wrote: "Some time in May 67 Joni was at The Other Side in Fayetteville, NC USA, according to Simon. She met that unknown upstart, James Taylor, in March 1969. " i remember listening lots to james in the summer of 69... on cape cod... maybe he was known in that part of the world but not in the rest yet? bobsart> I have the impression that artists often play material from their latest releases in concert - but usually after their release. conventional wisdom is to play the songs in concert to hone them before recording, but not everyone works that way... however touring is to promote the release of the cd so that is why the artist plays the recently recorded songs then... of course joni often did not tour after recording & would go off to greec to write or to vancouver... which tells me that is the best part of the thing for her, the writing... not the performing... & she has said as much many times... writing like painting is a completely solitary venture... scorpio's are very solitary creatures in my experience... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:43:16 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: wtrf I'm happy to hear this--while there are parts of WTRF that sound cheesy, it's a pretty listenable album: "Moon at the Window" "Chinese Cafe" "You Dream Flat Tires." I even like the much maligned "Underneath the Streetlight" and "Solid Love." On the other hand, I don't much like "Man to Man" or "Ladies' Man" and I could take or leave the I Corinthians 13 rewrite--no prejudice against Biblical content--I like the Job piece (though not the Travelogue version). Speaking of Joni adaptations of other people's texts--and you gotta admit she has brass----well, nerve, anyway to take on some of the greatest poetry of the ages: Book of Job, Yeats's "The Second Coming"--which brings me to what I was gonna say. A couple of weeks back on another listserv I belong to-- the UB Poetics list someone sent the text of the Yeats poem--only it was Joni's lyrics. I do have to say that while it makes a pretty good song, the adaptation suffers as poetry compared to the real poem. This raises the question of, "is Joni a poet"? I don't think so, music is too integral to her works of art (she is an artist) and also a lonely painter who lives in a box of paint. On the other hand I think she's a genius songwriter but not a genius painter. Sorry--many random thoughts here. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Kimerer Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 6:16 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: wtrf I must say that WTRF is a real nice record. Have been listening to it after a long time. And enjoying it a lot. To me, it's Joni's let's have fun rockn roll album, without the sonic and lyrical baggage of DED & CMIARS. All the songs have a light production touch, not too heavy, not too spare. Her voice is great. And the lead off track is so strong that it gives emotional weight to the whole endeavor. All in all, it sounds like an inevitable step after DJRD and M. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:00:33 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: War no more! NJC Sherelle wrote: I frankly don't care anymore about the why's and where-for's; I just want this to end and I want our troops out of their and back home where they belong. ME TOOOOOO!!!!!!! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:39:26 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: ya'lls pictures/jonifest/ who's guitar is this? > http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/album26/FR_1000PM_Claud9_detail_Roll_E_f7 > > Who is this person?? This is exactly like my guitar except mine has > double "diagonal slash" inlays on the neck..same old-style Gibson shape > tho..kewlest! Mine's a '59 - same as me. That's Claudia, who lives just up the road a piece from me. Dare I say that YOU HAVEN'T LIVED until you've heard Claudia (aka Claud9) perform "Conversation"?! Really Em, you just can't imagine. > I'm really enjoying seeing all these pics. > You all are just, hmm, how can I put this ..... GLOWING!!!!!!! and not > in a nuclear sense! > like as in the "shiny happy people" sense. Well, we're also a family -- although not in the nuclear sense! : ) And yeah, Jonifest will make ya glow. "We are stardust, we are golden ..." Oh and by the way, the town of Woodstock is very near Oliverea. > Wish I could come this summer. Not sure I'd fit in but *maybe* if I > behave myself. You really need to come to Fest, Em. You will not regret it. Ask Hell or Lucy or Ron, who have come from New Zealand, England, and South Africa -- just for starters, because there are others who have traveled many miles to be there too. Ask them if it's not worth every penny spent to get there. As for fitting in, Em -- there's always the "lez cabin" and its variety of occupants. As of right now I'm planning to ride my bike. So there. What else do you need to have to "fit in?" Besides, sleep isn't required (and good luck getting any sleep, anyway.) And by all means, bring your guitar! > Great pics! Aren't they? You should be in this year's photos, I say! : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:52:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: ya'lls pictures/jonifest/ who's guitar is this? Kewlest Lori! thanks for the info! Hi there Claudia! ....wish I could make it. Laid it on my other half today tho, and it was met with frowns. So thats not optimal. Maybe if you would be so kind as to kidnap me! But we're in a state of flux, so let's see. :) Em - --- Lori Fye wrote: > That's Claudia, who lives just up the road a piece from me. Dare I > say that YOU > HAVEN'T LIVED until you've heard Claudia (aka Claud9) perform > "Conversation"?! > Really Em, you just can't imagine...snip.... ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:41:03 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: political constipation, NJC Smurf wrote: Plus our pols are honest and corruption-free! Hi Bob! You got me laughing good on this one! And, let me add, our candidates are honest and corruption-free too. Not voting in SA.... hmmmm? Interesting idea. Yes, that is also an option in the land of the brave, the home of the free. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:02:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: RE: wtrf Richard Flynn wrote: "This raises the question of, "is Joni a poet"? I don't think so" But i do!:) Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:22:36 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Tamara Williamson - for anyone in striking distance of London njc I just had a look, totally at random and for the first time in ages, at Tamara Williamson's website - and bugger me if she's not at the 12 Bar tomorrow!! I mean Tuesday 20th. I'm praying she's not on too early, as I'm often working late on Tuesdays. Anyway, I will do my darndest to get there. Anyone who can make it (and assuming it's still on, I spotted it too late to check) I can't recommend her highly enough. If you're wondering what she sounds like, take a moment as I plagiarise myself from a little write-up I did for the Kashmir Klub Website... << Tamara Williamson was a new name to most of us as she made her way on stage, adjusting and checking her array of foot pedals. What was this going to be, an extravaganza of wah-wah and fuzzbox? The answer was something far more interesting: live sampling! Working absolutely live and with no safety net, Tamara painstakingly built-up a backing track using echo pedals, looping riffs and percussive thumps on her guitar. The result was hypnotic - and that's not even to mention the devastating power of the first song she played. Everest is based on the book Into Thin Air, a harrowing account of a doomed assault on the world's highest peak. Her voice is both fragile and sinewy, and she got inside her subject to heartstopping effect. Tamara is not the only performer using live sampling, but I would venture that she uses the (very basic) technology in the most imaginative and soulful way, allied to songs of real power and poetic sensibility. She doesn't visit the UK very often and it is your bounden duty to catch her, dear readers, next time she's in town.>> Cheers, Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:30:47 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: wtrf But Nuriel, I pretty much qualified that by implyig that she is a port as far as rock 'n' roll lyricists go. I put that provocative statement out there to ask people to justify her poet status--care to elaborate? You or anyone else? examples please. . . and of course, your definition of what constitutes "poetry." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Nuriel Tobias Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 9:03 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: wtrf Richard Flynn wrote: "This raises the question of, "is Joni a poet"? I don't think so" But i do!:) Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:29:36 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: after reading kate's post I think you have it backwards, Nuriel. She's not hiding now; she was hiding then. She kept a secret for years (the daughter she gave up for adoption, Kelly / Kilauren). By way of compensating for that secret, she became the "amazingly open" woman we *thought* we knew. Now that she's reunited with her daughter, she doesn't need to be a "confessional songwriter" anymore. She doesn't need to capsulize her pain and love in Art. It lives everyday. If ever something painful was going to drive her to write songs (for us I mean), it would have been 911. I think she got lots of energy from that. It shows in the many paintings in the TRAVELOGUE set. She's done, but she's done plenty. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:39:21 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: sobriety, NJC A mysterious woman wrote: When you break your anonymity. . . I assume it is potentially vulnerable. . but you are doing a good service of education. . . educating others. . . Thank you. She was very very kind about it. I was super surprised how kind she was. She could have told others in her class, "guess what...?", etc. Here's part of what she wrote me in Email: "Just wanted to say thanks so much for the help last night. It's way "above and beyond" to sacrifice your Sat. night. You have a wonderful way of simplifying things. I hope I can keep it that way. Congratulations also for your strength of character, which I know comes from your walk with Christ. I have a great deal of respect for you! BTW, I will not repeat what you told me and please forgive me for putting you in that position." It is all beyond me... why I'm alive and made it to AA when so many don't. I went to a convenience store today and got into a short conversation with the check out girl. . .we started by discussing smoking. . . Convenient store stories... cool. I took my kids to a convenient store on Sunday... and there were some cigars there, and I really really wanted to buy one or two or three. Had a brand all picked out, and was going to buy, but then my youngest said, don't buy it mom. So, I didn't. I started smoking a pipe again (no not weed you evil minded people, wink) a few months ago, and he convinced me to stop because it scared him. Then I thought about how my mother died a hellish death from cancer, one that happens with at least a 70% greater probability in smokers... Could that possibly be why he was scared?! I tend to think it won't happen to me if I smoke just a little, a cigarette here, a pipe there, a cigar here and there, but the truth is it very likely would happen that I get this cancer since my mother and grandfather both died of it and were smokers. she proceeded to tell me that she's been sober for 6 months. . . a least she's got smoking she said. . . it is a tough world out there. . . we've got to have something It is a tougher world inside the mind of an alcoholic than it is in the world. We sometimes name the voice in our head that lies to us worse than any politician. Mine is Jill, as in Jack and Jill went down the hill. Well, good for the lady you met! Tomorrow I'll have 8 months in AA. smoking (my drug of choice , but I am not doing it right now, tho I really want to). Clean air is so much better to breath. If you are against air pollution, why pollute your own lungs... good for you Laura. . Good for you Marianne, not smoking. and thanks for sharing it with the list. . Welcome, and thank you for sharing too. and if I was born with the gene or what have you, I'd be an alcoholic too. . . Yes you would. Have to have both the gene and the bottle... Being an alcoholic is all I know. When I think of drinking, I don't think of the glass; I think of the bottle. I went to a party for my goddaughter yesterday, and I got offered a mixed drink (what is it about this weekend of trials?!). I thought, wow, they don't know me very well here, and I could drink it and nobody would know. But, I asked for Sprite instead for some reason beyond me. And, then the tears came and a deep sense of remorse. And, then I marveled at how the family drank normally. If I had taken that drink, I would have transformed, become obsessed with getting more, and I would have gotten it or gotten angry and hurt somebody. just one of those things. . . power to you! Yep, just one of those things. Just one of those.... things. Thanks for the power; I can use all I can get. I'm going to Chicago in a couple of weekends, to an AA retreat my sponsor invited me to. "I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, travelling through all these highs and lows, I heard there was no sickness, and no toil or danger, just mercy and plenty, where peaceful waters flow, where peaceful waters flow..." Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:44:07 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: American Masters - Balanchine (njc) jerry! i didn't know! i revere balanchine, and the city ballet spring season starts on 4/27, and will still be going when you're here. i'd love to go to nycballet that week. the american masters program you saw was actually a two-hour documentary made about balanching just after he died, in '84 or so. i've had it on video for years and have watched it over and over again, but with the balanchine centennial it's been rebroadcast and released on dvd. it's a fantastic look at a great man's art, with tons of rare footage. on may 5, 'live from lincoln center' will broadcast the new york city ballet's spring gala, with all of lincoln center's constituents participating. i just read a bunch about it, it looks great. in other ballet/tv news, this wednesday, april 21, pbs' dance in america is broadcasting fredrick ashton's one-hour ballet of 'a midsummer night's dream', called 'the dream'. it uses the same mendelssohn music written for a production of the play that balanchine used for his full-length ballet, but it's a very different and very lovely ballet. the pot-smokin' harley-drivin' 100% heterosexual american ballet theater star ethan stiefel dances the part of oberon. highly recommended; i first saw the ballet last year and was 100% charmed. patrick ps. balanchine and ashton are both having centennial celebrations this year, both born in 1904 "the child is so sweet, and the girls are so rapturous. isn't it lovely how artists can capture us?" 'children and art', from sondheim's 'sunday in the park with george' >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Jerry >Notaro >Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 8:12 AM >To: Joni List >Subject: American Masters - Balanchine > > >I hope you all getting a chance to watch the 3other2 episodes of the >American Masters series on PBS. Last night was one of my favorite artistic >geniuses, and the greatest choreographer of all time, George Balanchine. >Like Joni, he loved cats, and Stravinsky, It was the best film on >him I have >seen since Dancing for Mr. B. He said something so poignant: We do not >create. God creates. We merely assemble; and make the right choices; and >work very hard. > >Jerry > >np: Jimmy Scott - At Last ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:28:06 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: ya'lls pictures/jonifest/ who's guitar is this? (NJC) > Maybe if you would be so kind as to kidnap me! This can be arranged ... Jerry? Jimmy & Ed? Cindy S? Who all else is in Florida? We need kidnapping services, please! Or ... Cindy V and Gisele in AL? I KNOW you two are always up for high jinx and possible illegal activities! ; ) > But we're in a state of flux, so let's see. Hey Em, it's 4 months from now. Chances are, it will all fall into place and we'll be seeing you at the Full Moon in August! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:32:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: ya'lls pictures/jonifest/ who's guitar is this? (NJC) a wonderful person once taught me that the best way to make something happen is to "start"...just start making plans in a certain general direction... take a step or 2. So I will go ahead and put in for those days off from work. Hey, its a step. ;) thx for being encouraging Lori. em - --- Lori Fye wrote: > > Maybe if you would be so kind as to kidnap me! > > This can be arranged ... Jerry? Jimmy & Ed? Cindy S? Who all else > is in > Florida? We need kidnapping services, please! > > Or ... Cindy V and Gisele in AL? I KNOW you two are always up for > high jinx and > possible illegal activities! ; ) > > > But we're in a state of flux, so let's see. > > Hey Em, it's 4 months from now. Chances are, it will all fall into > place and > we'll be seeing you at the Full Moon in August! > > Lori ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:11:26 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 20 On April 20 the following articles were published: 1968: "A Hit for Joni Mitchell, A Miss for Lightfoot" - Toronto Daily Star (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=786 1968: "Gentle Joni of the Mythical Mood in Folk-Rock" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=764 1968: "The Way of Joni" - Toronto Daily Star (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=769 1969: "In Her House, Love" - New York Times (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=36 1998: "GLAAD Media Awards a Hit Coast To Coast" - GLAAD website (News Item, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=113 2000: "'N Sync stays on top" - Reuters/Variety (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=500 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #179 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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