From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #175 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, April 18 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 175 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Notches, noches - or was it no cheese? NJC [Em ] Re: NJC W's Press conference - now why i decided not to vote [Catherine M] Re: NJC W's Press conference - now why i decided not to vote [Smurfycopy@] RE: Nuriel, male or... [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Nuriel, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Notches, noches - or was it no cheese? NJC [Lori Fye ] RE:"Queston regarding"Moon At The Window" [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Today's Library Links: April 18 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] i love this list/ off topic ["Leslie Neumann" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:17:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Notches, noches - or was it no cheese? NJC - --- hell wrote: > Don't worry, Em - it's all a dream, that we have baked..... "one afternoon long agoooooo"??? :) em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:49:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC W's Press conference - now why i decided not to vote --- ron wrote: > well, i cant speak for everyone, (and especially not > for americans) but > personally i didnt bother to register for, or vote > in, the recent elections > held here. not because im apathetic, but because ive > thought about it & come > to the the following conclusions: > > - youre voting for politicians. on some moral > level i have a problem > with taking even indirect responsibility for > perpetuating the bunch of scum > who call themselves politicians. > > - you will never know the truth about > politicians unless you have some > kind of personal contact. pretty much everything you > will read about them > will have some kind of lie or spin. how can you > expect to make an informed > decision? (i have been unfortunate enough to have > some contact with some of > the politicians here. what a bunch of greedy, > manipulative, lying, stealing, > dishonest bunch of shit they were(still are i > guess?).} > > - the elections here are rigged anyway. > confirmed by a good friend who > was involved in the vote counting during our first > "democratic" elections. > > so i didnt vote. dont think i will ever do so again. > its not a waste of my > constitutional right, so much as a realisation that > my constitutional right > is a sham. Ron, this is problematic. It's the old "not to decide, is to decide" thing. If you don't vote, you're more or less saying that whoever gets in, is fine with you. If you do vote, you're supporting liars and corruption. You're kind of stuck. Ever considered leaving SA? Move to North America, where it won't take so long to get to Jonifest :-D ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 23:16:29 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC W's Press conference - now why i decided not to vote Catherine asks Ron: << Ever considered leaving SA? Move to North America, where it won't take so long to get to Jonifest :-D >> Plus our pols are honest and corruption-free! - --Smurf, glad to see the list once again moving away from Joni content ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 20:54:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: RE: Nuriel, male or... Thank you for reminding me of the darkest hour in my life, Patrick. How very kind and thoughtful of you. After i read your post i tried to sleep, but all that nightmare came back to me, and so, with barely opened eyes, i'm writing this. Les - i would thank you very much if you could delete my first post to the JMDL, i'm so tired of being hunted by it. Love, Nuri patrick leader wrote: dear nuriel: i'm posting, below, what i think was the first post you (or someone named ada wittenberger, but signing herself nuriel) sent to the list. it was one of the most provocative posts i've seen on list, because i know 4ad's music, and the label's releases were deeply important to me for many years. and i really really couldn't see what 'nuriel' was talking about. do you have anything to tell me (us) about the post below? i'd truly love to hear. and i think it does speak to why some of us have been confused about whether you're a woman or not... >I think you thought i'm a woman cause my name is close to the name > >Now you tell me, my dear, why do i seem different?:) Is it my >broken english?:) nuriel's first post to jmdl... *** Hi everyone. My name is nuriel. I was born in nazareth and I still live in north israel. What Im about to tell you may seem as a madmans letter. Most of the times I told this to anyone I was treated as a madman. Im sure most of you would feel the same  but Ive got nothing to loose. Id like to say that everything I'm about to tell you is true. Youre free to believe it or not. Theres a music company in london named 4ad. 4ad is an alternativ music group. The first time I've ever listened to a 4ad artist was in the late 80s. At the summer of 89 I felt an urge to send my music to 4ad. I couldve composed some songs  but Ive chosen not to. I asked 3 friends to meet me at a recording-basement. We played a jam that was recorded on a broken tape. I was singing and my friends were playing guitar, bass , keyboards and drums. All songs were improvised. We recorded 6 songs. It lasted an hour. 2 days later I mailed the tape to 4ad. It was called "highland" and I named our band "riss  which means in hebrew an eye-lash A month later I got a call from the manager of 4ad. His name is ivo watts-russel. He told me that "highland" was the strangest thing he has ever listened to. He couldnt believe that anyone could improvise such a thing. He said that it was a revelation and said that he thinks Im the messiah. I dont think that Im the messiah and I never will. (please go on reading  I promise you that youll be amazed) ivo confused me. He asked me where did I get the idea of improvising music. I told him that by listening to 4ad artists d e b u t albums Ive noticed that they were all very home-made. Ivo said that its true, but added that none of them were an improvisation, and insisted on a better answer. Our conversation became very open and free. I had to tell him that 4ad artists debut albums always reminded me of something. I told him that they all had the same format of jonis debut Ivo words were yes  jonis debut is what started 4ads tradition. 4ad is the temple of her He added we always thought that our lilyth will last forever  till you came along  And hung up the phone. Then new albums were released on 4ad. Photos of me were on every cover. My name was mentioned on every song. Everything was about me and highland. Ivo and 4ad were celebrating the come of the child. Then night ride home" was released. I instantly understood that joni has listened to "highland" too and was a part of the "celebration" I knew I had to talk to ivo again  but first I had to understand what has happened at the "lilyth temple" before my "revelation". I searched for all the albums on 4ad that came out before 90. You dont have to be a genius and you dont have to be very much inlightened to notice That the albums and the artists that ivo personally chose to release were all about her. The songs  the covers  everything was about joni. I called him again. The moment he picked up the phone I asked him is joni aware of this, mister? Ivo laughed and said no, you fool  shes B E H I N D this!!! I asked him are you her representative? He laughed again and said my relationship with joni is a private matter!!! Then he hung up the phone. That was too much for me. I had a breakdown and was taken to an asylum. I was out of there after a month. A new 4ad album was released. It was a band named "his name is alive" and the album was named "mouth by mouth" A photo of me was on the front cover, and my closest friends were amazed. But what amazed me was that jonis voice was recorded on it. A conversation she had with some woman. At this point I'd like to stop. You must understand that what you've just read is a little piece of the information I have. Many of the things I wrote here may seem crazy or at best needing more explanation. I could tell you everything step by step and explain everything  but I know that only few of you will be interested in this case And believe me folks  youve heard nothing yet. For those of you who need to know more  Im willing to tell you all the details. Its impossible to do so on one letter  and thats why I stopped. For those of you who found this a madmans words  I hope you had fun. Yours, nuriel Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:47:45 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Nuriel, NJC Nuriel wrote: Nuriel ("fire") Angel of hailstorms in Jewish legend. .....In The Book of Protection, Nuriel is characterized as a "spellbinding power" and is grouped with Michael, Shamshiel, Seraphiel, and other great angels. Marianne wrote: Excuse me Nuriel, YOur name sounds to me as if you're female but someone told me that they think you are male. . So are you male, female or what? Hi Ya'll, LOLLLL "or what?"!!!!! Like, angel?! Cool name Nuriel! Wow! I'm impressed! Please, bind some spells for us here in America! You are definitely unique on this list in a very awesome way. Love, Laura PS. I tutored 4 medical students tonight and one brought me.... sigh.... a bottle of wine. I broke my anonymity and told her she'd better keep it. I'm still in disbelief that I did this. I bet it was a good vintage too! I, yes me myself and I, had a bottle of wine in my house tonight with my name on it. A bottle of wine. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 21:48:58 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Notches, noches - or was it no cheese? NJC > ya'll are freaking me out.... LOL, Em! Welcome again to our wonderfully weird world! These sorts of parodies of Joni's lyrics comes around every now and again, and it's great! Last year, probably around this same time, a whole bunch of "alternate" Joni lyrics came out of the heads of various JMDLers. There were many many good ones, and one of the best was Catherine's take on "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow" -- which, in case you aren't familiar with The Hissing Of Summer Lawns, is the source of all this "notches" madness. Catherine called her version "Cease Interfering With The Sadness," and it's hysterical! So good, in fact, that some of my cohorts and I (otherwise known as the group called "Sugar Pants") felt compelled to perform it on stage at Jonifest, in complete "beat" mode. There are photos somewhere ... I'll try to find them later (to further entice you to throw caution to the wind and join us in the Catskills in August). Meanwhile, here are Joni's original lyrics: http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/DontInterruptTheSorrow.cfm and Catherine's interpretation: http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/ceaseinterfering.html Hope everyone is having a great weekend! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 21:53:09 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Good food at the fest (NJC) >> So i hear that there's gonne be good food at the fest. Beside >> eachother (and i'm sure you're all tasty) - what are you going to >> eat? > > dang!!!! I may have to make it up after all, $$ be damned. Our own Kerry from Milwaukee put it best a couple of years ago when she said that Jonifest is like summer camp for adults. (At least I think that's what Kerry said ... I may have been delirious from too many gourmet goodies.) : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:19:16 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: RE:"Queston regarding"Moon At The Window" Mia wrote: Does anyone know the meaning behind the line: "rattle, rattle, rattle, In the spoon and the glass" from Moon at the Window? Maybe I'm just a big dunce. I picture someone with a headache from all the miseries of love stirring some sort of medicine concoction in a glass. LOL! Thanks, Mia I always thought she was referring to the spoon in one of those dark cocaine bottles that the top had a spoon on. During her coke days I'm sure she would stir up old memories of the past, and you don't stop until the bottles empty. It does have a certain rattle as you scrape the sides to get a bigger spoon full. As for "notches liberation doll" she feels he's referencing her past affairs as Rolling Stone pegged her to sleeping with everyone in the business. That she is so liberated she keeps making notches of each man she slept with. To end with: Bush Co. is nothing but absolute greed and stupidity with the guise of a right wing agenda, what assholes the whole pack are. They should be tried for war crimes. I think they have put us much further into harms way by attacking in Iraq..They are going to slam free choice behind us just as professed by Joni some years ago. Peace, Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 02:01:27 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 18 On April 18 the following article was published: 2000: "Emotional Depth in Brilliant Arrangements" - Heaven (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=505 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 23:23:41 -0700 From: "Leslie Neumann" Subject: i love this list/ off topic i do. i really do. everytime i read it, i see alot of thought provoking people whom i can relate to in artistic and philosophic matters. folks are relaxed, freer to speak their minds openly. and happily, not snapping and snipeing back and forth at each other about every idiosyncracy ( every particle of difference...) Coexistance lives inside here, despite the outer world's current ride in a handbasket. the overwhelming angst against Dubya reassures me that there's still a good number of educated American's out there with a conscience and a vision of what ought to be, and damn ready to do something about it. proof positive that certain music does elevate us, inspire us, and compell us to be a part of something larger than ourselves. back to the garden. ciao, ~Leslie _________________________________________________________________ From must-see cities to the best beaches, plan a getaway with the Spring Travel Guide! http://special.msn.com/local/springtravel.armx ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #175 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)