From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #173 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, April 17 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 173 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC W's Press conference [Lori Fye ] Re: Woman of Heart and Mind (no PC, hooray) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Almost famous, but VERY wrong NJC??? ["hell" ] RE: (NJC) Tom Robbins ["Wally Kairuz" ] FW: Hillary on Dateline(NJC) ["anon anon" ] Re: A Free Joni Cover 4 U [Catherine McKay ] RE: NJC W's Press conference ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: A Free Joni Cover 4 U [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC W's Press conference [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC W's Press conference - See, Bree? [Catherine McKay ] Bush vs. Iraq, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Next marketing gimmick for Joni ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: NJC W's Press conference Catherine McKay wrote: >> I've heard that voter turnout in the US tends to be >> really poor. Is this true? If so, why is that? Randy Remote responded: > I think 50 years of television has lobotomized a large > percentage of the population. > I know other countries have TV, but I doubt if they watch > it an average of 10 hours a day. > That can make you apathetic and stoopid. I agree, but I will say that I believe that the success of "The West Wing" actually got at least some viewers interested in national politics, at least at the White House level, and it may have encouraged some of them to vote last time. And probably most of those were "liberals" to boot. One of the other reasons that voter turnout in the US is so low is that so many people believe their "one vote" won't make a difference. Hopefully the presidential election of 2000 taught them to think differently. - -- Lori Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:23:50 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Woman of Heart and Mind (no PC, hooray) Thanks for the reminder/review, Azeem. I may just have to crank up the DVD player and watch my copy again. It's pretty freakin' excellent, but like you say it has its flaws. In a way it reminds me of a parents' photo book of their kid, when you have a bajillion photos of the baby but once they hit 12 or so the pics seem few and far between. I think by spending so much time on that first period and breezing through the 80's and beyond you just don't do her true justice. I would think Joni would have demanded better balance. Still, I don't mean to gripe - like you say, it is a lovely document. I'd love to see a sequel that fills in the gaps. And, in reference to DED, there has finally been a song from that album covered! A milestone in the realm of Joni covers...I was beginning to think that we'd never see a cover from that one. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 11:32:40 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Almost famous, but VERY wrong NJC??? Gary wrote: > I'm not a huge fan of the show "Friends" but i am almost certain that I > did catch that episode where that mondegreen was uttered by none other > than Phoebe. I've never forgotten it either and think of it every time > I hear "Tiny Dancer" now!! Thanks Gary, that's definitely where I heard it! I thought it was Friends, but for some reason I never thought of Phoebe. It makes perfect sense! Hell - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:36:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: (NJC) Tom Robbins debra!!!!! this was glorious! can we request other authors? wally, AMAZED ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:46:07 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: FW: Hillary on Dateline(NJC) >From: "Friends of Hillary" >Reply-To: "Friends of Hillary" > >To: Icnh@hotmail.com >Subject: Hillary on Dateline >Date: 16 Apr 2004 15:41:38 PDT > >Hello Everyone, > >This is just a reminder to watch Hillary on Dateline tonight in an >exclusive interview with Katie Couric. > >In addition, make sure you catch her next week on Good Morning America on >Monday morning, April 19 and on CNN's Larry King Live on Tuesday, April 20. > Check your local listings for exact times. > >Have a great weekend and thanks for being a Friend of Hillary. > >Sincerely, > >Patti Solis Doyle >Executive Director > >P.S. 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To >unsubscribe from HillNews, click here: >http://activate.friendsofhillary.com/u?id=89E81130C38D13D3C5F5EECDFA719270&global=true > > > > >To view the Friends of Hillary Privacy Policy, please visit: >http://activate.friendsofhillary.com/t?ctl=6003D5:201A266 > > > >Contributions to Friends of Hillary are not deductible for federal income >tax purposes > >Paid for by Friends of Hillary, 509 2nd Street NE, Washington, D.C. 20002 > > _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:49:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A Free Joni Cover 4 U --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Let a gentle Joni cover chase away your post > press-conference blues: > > http://www.rockacola.com/music/song.asp?song_no=25426 > > Chet Lam sings "A Case Of You". Actually pretty nice > too, paying homage to > Diana Krall's cover. > It's very pretty and sweet - that cute Chinese accent. A quote from Chet: The loneliest song I have ever heard in my life. The beauty of the song has been haunting me since I first heard it, and I had to record a version of my own. It hurts, every time. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:50:18 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: NJC W's Press conference Gosh folks: Does this sound good? Talk about intelligence failures--this entire enterprise is a mess beacuse we have a president who has very little intelligence, if any. Kerry is a smart man. I don't hate W, but I pity him. He's like my D students who beg for extra credit at the end of the term (which is, like, now) so they can get a gentleman's C--which is what W got at Yale--the school his daddy got him into. "U.S. troops, cleric's militia battle outside Najaf Fallujah leaders talk with Marines; convoys to get more protection" http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4667742/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:53:50 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Free Joni Cover 4 U **It's very pretty and sweet - that cute Chinese accent. And it's really not that heavy of an accent - what you need to hear is the Red Bloods doing a cover of the Sergio Mendes cover of Chelsea Morning. Japanese Bossa Nova, and they don't know what most of the words mean so they just sing words and phrases that sound like those words. It is a wonder to be sure, but it's many volumes away yet. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:54:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC W's Press conference --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **I've heard that voter turnout in the US tends to > be > really poor. Is this true? If so, why is that? ** > > Yes, it's very true. Some reasons, the way I see it: > > -We're a big-ass country of a couple hundred > million. Lots of folks don't see > their vote as anything significant. > > -Look at the last election...Bush & Gore (yawn). Two > bland zeros. Can't we > find any better candidates than these? Where's Kay > Ashley dammit? Add up the > women, blacks & hispanics and you've got a huge > group, yet all we ever get is > white guys with nice hair and red neckties, spouting > the same old same old. And > our systems & processes don't allow a viable 3rd > party to be anything but a > spoiler. > > -You have to wait in line, you have to register, you > have to drive to your > polling place, and most importantly, you have to be > informed (or you should be, > anyway). Lots of Americans can't be bothered as it's > just an interruption of > their routine. > Maybe I'm spoiled by living in the city. When I vote, I just have to walk around the block to the polling place (former public school, now seniors' centre). You don't usually have to register in Canada - it's an automatic process when you complete an income tax return so you only have to contact Elections Canada if you move and you haven't filed a tax return since moving. Our elections have been a big yawn lately too. Often it's a case of choosing the least offensive, or boring, of the candidates. Lately it's been anyone-but-Reform-Party-candidate (or whatever they're calling themselves these days.) I've always considered it a duty, and not just a privilege, to vote. Looking forward to my daughter's being able to vote because she'll turn 18 next year. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:01:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC W's Press conference - See, Bree? --- Lori Fye wrote: > >> > We're too smug; we think we're right about > everything; we just don't care to > take time from our busy important lives to LEARN > anything so we might have a > chance to discuss it with "them" and maybe, just > maybe, come to some sort of > understanding. > This is very true and important. The more any of us can learn about other cultures and other people, the better off we will all be. A lot of us do take things for granted and assume that "our" way is the best and the only way. Trouble is, "they" think the same way about their own ways. If we take the time and trouble to learn about other cultures, and to learn other languages, our lives will be so much richer. That's one of the joys of living in a multicultural society and I find it refreshing when my own perceptions get a jolt. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:04:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Woman of Heart and Mind (no PC, hooray) --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the reminder/review, Azeem. I may just > have to crank up the DVD > player and watch my copy again. It's pretty freakin' > excellent, but like you say > it has its flaws. In a way it reminds me of a > parents' photo book of their > kid, when you have a bajillion photos of the baby > but once they hit 12 or so the > pics seem few and far between. I think by spending > so much time on that first > period and breezing through the 80's and beyond you > just don't do her true > justice. I would think Joni would have demanded > better balance. > That is the flaw, for sure. It's almost like they were making this very loving and lovely documentary of Joni's life and then were suddenly told they had only 20 minutes to finish it, when they were only about 1/5 of the way through. I'm sure if they had had another two hours or more total film time, they could have come up with more on Joni's life-since-Blue. Maybe there'll be a part two? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:53:06 -0500 From: "mackoliver" Subject: when i look down that road-missy manchester-njc She's done it again. Newest album is as superb, emotional, and beautiful as each one before. Her words on her latest--"I walked away from making records ten years ago. But I never, ever lost faith that singing and writing songs is what I was put on this earth to do. I tried to please people instead of believing in my own strength, until the only thing I could do was walk away. Everybody wants to write a hit song, but in Nashville people want to write the best song. It was there I found my voice again. And for that, I will be eternally grateful." Upon first listen of the album I didn't really recognize the voice as Missy's. Very different from what she has done in years and had little resemblance to even the earlier work, at least in relation to how it sounded when it got to my ears. On this one (the album) she is restrained and it is almost as if she was holding back the wondrous instrument. I didn't know what I thought of it on that listen or subsequent visits but now, after a couple of weeks of absorbing it there is no doubt that it is her and she sounds like Missy again. Tremendous album without much of the instrumentation that some of those large selling albums had, at least to my ear and everyone here knows that I know very little about music other than how it sounds. She also doesn't let loose on some of the lyrics and allow that lilting magnificence of her voice to flow, which is one of my favorites concerning her voice and delivery. The cuts are so lovely and the lyrics expressively and definitely Melissa Manchester. Sounds as if there is much acoustic guitar accompanying that sweet voice only. "A Mother's Prayer", inspired by the Columbine mess is a gut check and anyone that has children or even those that felt like children to them will identify completely. Maybe an extra hug, a stolen kiss from the growing and independent want to be, more understanding, much more effort will be the result after listening to that one. "Angels Dancing" is cute, inspiring in itself, and left me feeling warm and fuzzy, if you will, all over. 'Dancing on the head of a pin." A must listen. "Bend" is classic Manchester, love and relationship of most importance, never give it up without searching each and every nook for an answer. "Still Myself" must have been written, though not mentioned as impetus or inspiration that I have seen but haven't been through the notes completely yet, as the child, a birth, from 'Home to Myself", that tune of perfection from a no less flawless debut album. Fantastic album. Fans, buy it. No regrets will you have and to do without will leave you empty in that one spot within you that only this album can fill. Non-fans, become so. Sorry you will never be. np: missy-when I look down that road. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 00:06:17 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni as a maple leaf, was Re: Kate bush and quitting the music biz A fallen maple? Q: When a magnificent maple makes no more Sounds in the forest does a crest-fallen audience notice? A: No, an audience is drawn, painted, and dispersed by the sound. An audience is as transient and illusory as a sound. An audience must endure its going hence even as its coming hither. Ripeness is all. Talking shit obviously, Jim Man-of-God PS, But my Lit teachers would have eaten it up... np: Tori Amos' "Boys For Pele": holy cow is this a cool album. Great songs, and it sounds fan-damn-tastic too. I can almost "see" Tori's eyes roll up into her skull on some of those hair-raising yowls. I still think she's electrifying. Like Natalie Merchant, I can't listen to her 3 days in a row, though. From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >So...since Joni spends the bulk of her time in the USA, instead of Canada (with its maple leaf flag), does that make her an ex-maple?> Nuriel created this interesting typo: >>Just an exmaple of another fine artist>> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 00:13:33 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Kate bush and quitting the music biz, njc and silly too Nuriel, I think Colin gives you some competition and he's the long-standing champion. I expect a fair "fight" from both of you. As a wise man recently said, "It is exchanges like this make this list so interesting." All the best, Jim From: Nuriel Tobias >LOL. Well. haven't you already noticed that i'm THE master in our list in creating interesting typos?> SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >>Nuriel created this interesting typo:>> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 00:14:42 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: NJC W's Press conference Bree wrote: > > And Frankly..I don't care what the rest of the world thinks. Say what you feel, my sweet one. . . LOve Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 00:45:36 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Bush vs. Iraq, njc Small point: We know for sure that more than 10,000 Kurds died from WMD. There are satallite photos and everything. We didn't HAVE to find it lying around to know it was used. On the other hand, how many dead civilians have resulted from this campaign to liberate... uh... civilians from violence and death? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 01:01:24 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Next marketing gimmick for Joni "Dog Eat Dog- Naked": sweetened demos of every song. Sure, Muller said this long ago but now that the Beatles have done it, Joni can cash in on the latest marketing craze to rise from the cesspool. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:28:47 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: was posts about GWB, now "clean car" NJC anne>Honda has developed a fuel cell powered car. I want one! But it's not for sale to consumers yet. You can read about it here: http://www.hondacorporate.com/fcx/< met a guy yesterday at the auto show who is a scientist working on this technology, he was on his way to japan... he said it was still a couple of years out... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:59:42 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: NJC W's Press conference PC bree> Don't we all want to change this world for the good? i want that, i believe you want that but no, i don't think that everyone wants that... there are many who want to take as much as they can & if it means that others get less or are harmed in the proces then so be it... there are many levels to this attitude but my experience this week has shown me that for some, this is all they know... its sad, especially for an idealist such as myself to see it in action but its true... >I think except for the few zealots on either side..our( end )goals are the same. I think where we differ is how to get there: What polices should be implemented..and the strategies to get a saner..more peaceful world. it is the zealot attitude that is so dangerous & bush as well as bin laden is promoting it... >You know, I'm still so bewildered at the absolute hate and disgust that people on this list feel for GWB. There seems to be more loathing for him then the terrorists. perhaps because the expectation is that our gov't is the only superpower & is in the unique position to unite & heal rather than divide & harm... the language bush uses to describe the world situation is imo very simplistic & ignorant & creating ill will throughout the world... you may disagree but that is why people are upset... >The reporters (and that is what they are or supposed to be anyway..but they THINK are some grand mission to get a gotcha!! moment.) biased as can be.. they tried their damnest to get Bush to apologize. They sliced and diced....employed tactics.... BUT it didn't work fellows. it takes a big man to say i'm sorry... bush is a small man... you asked why some people were up late writing about this... i can tell you why i couldn't sleep... yesterday was a horrific day in iraq... one that i hope my family never has to experience again... i'm staying vague cuz i don't want my strong opinions about what is going on to be a reflection of one who is there & in harms way... but i can tell you they were under constant mortar fire... if more people knew what it feels like to worry if their loved one was going to live or die & for what reason, well maybe they would begin to question this f@#$ing war ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 02:06:41 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 17 On April 17 the following articles were published: 1968: "Joni Mitchell - One of the few remaining pockets of musicality" - Toronto Daily Star (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=774 1998: "Bjork, Joni Mitchell Reign Over Walden Woods Benefit" - SonicNet website (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=338 2000: "Hillary and Joni" - Slate (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=497 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #173 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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