From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #169 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 14 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 169 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's art - Diary of a Decade link ["Raffaele Malanga" ] VG8 [steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder)] Re: VG8 [Catherine McKay ] Re: sources [Deb Messling ] Re: was The unbelievable...., now "the day" / Lori NJC [Em ] the patriot njjc [kate@katebennett.com] Calling an American NJC [Garret ] Re: Calling an American NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Bush Doctrine--(much) long(er), now (NJC) (PC) now intelligence spending ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: anti-war from the very begining NOW Joni's 1st 2 recorded songs [dav] Re: Fw: That Post ["Caio Nehring" ] Re: The unbelievable "Joni i hate you and you're retarted" list [Randy Re] Re: sources [Randy Remote ] Re: The unbelievable "Joni i hate you and you're retarted" list [Nuriel T] Re: was The unbelievable...., now "the day" / Lori NJC [Em ] Jonifest 2004 ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: (NJC) Tom Robbins ... [dsk ] Re: was The unbelievable...., now "the day" / Lori NJC ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: The unbelievable "Joni i hate you and you're retarted" list [Randy Re] Re: sources [Em ] Re: (NJC) Tom Robbins ... ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: (NJC) Tom Robbins ...(and Henry James, again) ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: almost famous njc [kate@katebennett.com] Re: almost famous njc [kate@katebennett.com] Re: sources/fuming a bit - njc now [Lori Fye ] NJC - Looking for someone to do research ["Les Irvin" ] Re: Almost famous, but VERY wrong NJC??? [Gary Zack ] Fleur de Lis WAS Re: sources NJC [Deb Messling ] Re: anti-war from the very begining NOW Joni's 1st 2 recorded songs [Deb] Re: Fleur de Lis WAS Re: sources NJC [Em ] Re: sources/fuming a bit - njc now [Lori Fye ] Re: Jonifest 2004 (njc) [Lori Fye ] Re: sources/fuming a bit - njc now [Em ] Re: Jonifest 2004 (njc) New Thread? ["Donna Binkley" ] Kate bush and quitting the music biz [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Jonifest 2004 (njc) ["Janine Sherman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:52:26 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: Joni's art - Diary of a Decade link Thanks for reporting the dead link, Bob. The original domain name changed months ago and apparently was not amended on the jm.com. The Diary of a Decade site should also be hosted by Les on the jmdl.com site but cannot find where it is... Perhaps Les can help? Will keep you updated on this and post the new link when possible. Raf. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:51:12 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni's art Em, You can also see what's posted on JM.com: http://www.jonimitchell.com/jonihome.html#TheGalleries Unfortunately the best one is Raf's "Diary Of A Decade" and that is currently a dead link. But you should be able to get a pretty good sampling regardless. Bob _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:00:29 +0200 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: njc so called democracy "And propaganda purposefully distorts and misleads to achieve an objective...in this case, to mobilize the population against the war and increase the opposition to same" With all due respect, but what do you call the lies that brought the population in your country in favor of the war? I think the word is . . propaganda. Anyway, the occupation is the enemy, not the Iraqi people. I'm sorry for all those people there, including all those soldiers. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:01 +0100 (BST) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder) Subject: VG8 Just my twopence worth on the VG8. Our man Mr Paz kindly despatched a VG8 with a Mexican Strat bought for me by my beloved for my forthcoming 50th birthday! (I can'y believe I'm so old). It doesn't sound like a Martin, my beautiful Takamine or of course, the Gorgeous Blonde. It sounds like a VG8 which is, of course, what it is. When I first got my hands on it (after initially blowing it up having forgotten the voltage US/UK difference in voltage and Mr Paz having programmed lots of tunes in it for me - but that's another story which was tragic but had a happy ending. But just how dumb can you get?)I tried to programme it to sound like an acoustic which was a bit daft. Now I accept it as a synthesiser and a different tool to work with we get on much better! But the BLISS of just shifting from Black Crow to Amelia to Hejira at a push of a button is just fab - particularly when you don't need washing lines for strings to hold that low Bb tuning for Black Crow is great. The good thing in the days of Joni playing in the late 60s or early 70s was the time it took her to retune. All those wonderful stories that she would tell during the ardous re-tune and before she had people to hand her guitars.......... I hear a strange through the window. Ah yes - Nostalgia is calling. Lots of love Anita PAZ YOU'RE THE MAN. Thanks for the help! np- Amy Wadge, Paris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:50:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: VG8 --- Anita Gabrielle Tedder wrote: > > the BLISS of just shifting from Black Crow to > Amelia to Hejira at a > push of a button is just fab - particularly when you > don't need washing > lines for strings to hold that low Bb tuning for > Black Crow is great. It's dumb question time. If the VG8 has the tunings plugged into it, does it matter if the actual guitar is in tune to begin with? I'm guessing it does, since the tunings of the strings should be relative to one another and relative to some home tone of each individual string. (Just dreaming of the day when tuning of any kind might not be necessary...) Catherine, who passed the half-century mark just a bit over a year ago, and so has one foot in the grave, but is balanced by immaturity. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:17:07 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: sources Yes, Janine, I recall the comments you're talking about, but I can't find them either. It was quite recent. At 09:36 PM 4/13/2004 -0400, you wrote: >anyone else recall reading (source?) recent comments from him about her >ungratefulness and even something about her knowing what he was talking about >like they had had a recent tiff? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:55:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: was The unbelievable...., now "the day" / Lori NJC - --- Lori Fye wrote: > As for Lilith Fair, I'm still pissed that Laura Love wasn't included > even after > she asked to be. I looooooooove Laura Love. Oh yeah....... Lori, you don't like that expression "back in the day"? I never heard it til I got online - it seems to "work" for me somehow, but you know what?? I'm going to examine the reasons why. Maybe its not healthy....and it's, in fact, still "the day" now. Or like Janis said "its all the same f_cking day, man". Hope YOU have a great day Lori, and are not so busy. Unless of course you want to be busy. Sometimes it's better, I know. :) Em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:29:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: almost famous njc - --- kate@katebennett.com wrote: > they transport > me > right back to my early days of living in santa barbara & working in a > little health food store & lunch counter where we'd play those songs > as we > cooked the soup or stocked the shelves & people would stop in for > lunch... > sometimes we'd pull out our guitars & play music live for the > customers... Hi Kate, this reminds me of one more thought I got from the movie...how it used to be (umm Lori I won't use the expression "back in the day") that I never seemed to even find myself in any social situation or group of friends where everyone *wasn't* sitting around with guitars. It was just like part of the "thing"..you get together; you DO you bring guitars..you WILL end playing, even if strumming quietly so the others don't much hear you. And you hold the guitar the whole damn evening, just because it feels good and makes you feel whole. Maybe some of you all on here still live like that. I do not, and I kinda miss it. Wishing you all tons o'fun with your guitars or whatever instruments. :) Em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: the patriot njjc i usually get transported by movies easily... but the patriot annoyed me all the way through & i couldn't wait to get out of there... not cuz of the violence but because the writing was sssoooo bad from what i remember ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:41:04 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Calling an American NJC Hi, I'm looking for a small favour; i was wondering if any American on the list would be willing to let me have a small packet delivered to their address and then pass it on to me in London? I would obviously cover any costs involved. Sounds a little suspicious like that;-) I'm buying a cd from sonymusicstore.com in order to get a special edition and it seems to be only available to American customers. If anyone can help, email me off-list with your address etc. Thanks, GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:23:15 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Calling an American NJC Garret, I'll be happy to help you if you'd like. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:55:08 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: Bush Doctrine--(much) long(er), now (NJC) (PC) now intelligence spending Hey Patrick, Just coincidentally...I was watching the 9-11 Commission hearings this morning and heard the statement quoted below from Philip Zelikow, Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission staff. You may read the entire Staff Statement here: http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing10/staff_statement_11.pdf. I apologize for the formatting below, this is a cut'n'paste from a PDF doc. About your point..."can we agree you (I) overspoke?"... I agree my use of the term "evisceration" was hyperbolic, BUT (there's always a "but," eh?) I was making a point that the intelligence community's ability to accomplish its mission was severely degraded due to funding cuts initiated and implemented by the previous administration. Mr. Zelikow's statement below corroborates (somewhat) my assertion. You also stated: "we knew that funding for intelligence was going to go down after 1990; there was a bipartisan consensus." Embedded in my reference point 3 (the Woolsey article) was the following statement: "There is also confusion over whether the promised cuts (by the Clinton admin - my add here) were counted against current levels of intelligence spending-or against the even higher amounts provided in George Bush's last five-year program." So...I'm not sure there actually *was* a bi-partisan consensus, although I cannot prove that point completely. The fact that Bush 41 proposed a larger intelligence budget in his last five-year program seems to indicate he wanted MORE spending on intelligence, not less. And the beat goes on.... Best Regards, bp Budget cuts in the national foreign intelligence program from fiscal years 1990 to 1996, and essentially flat budgets from fiscal years 1996 to 2000 (except for the so-called "Gingrich Supplemental" of FY 1999) caused significant staffing reductions that constrained the numbers and training of analysts. Analysis was already a relatively minor part of intelligence budgets devoted mainly to collection and operations. Meanwhile, during the 1990s, the rise of round the clock news shows and the Internet reinforced pressure on the diminishing number of intelligence analysts to pass along fresh reports to policymakers at an ever faster pace, trying to add context or supplement what their policy consumers were receiving from the media. Many officials told us that the demands of providing "current intelligence" and briefings to more and more consumers, both in the executive branch and in Congress, drained scarce resources away from systematic, reflective strategic analysis. In the late 1990s, weaknesses in all-source and strategic analysis were spotlighted by independent panels critiquing the Intelligence Community's failure to foresee the India-Pakistan nuclear weapons tests in 1998, and its limited ability to assess the ballistic missile threat to the United States in 1999. The first panel was led by Admiral David Jeremiah; the second by Donald Rumsfeld. Both panels called attention to the dispersal of effort on too many priorities, declining attention to the craft of strategic analysis, budget constraints, sophisticated denial and deception efforts by adversaries, and security rules that prevented adequate sharing of information. We found similar shortcomings with the quality of finished intelligence on transnational terrorism prior to 9/11. patrick writes: > now this is a serious answer. however i certainly don't think it supports > the statement "general evisceration of the intelligence apparatus by the > previous administration" > > we knew that funding for intelligence was going to go down after 1990; there > was a bipartisan consensus. after the cold war ended, it was clear that we > didn't need the same apparatus as before. noone expected the rise of global > terrorism to the scale we have now, and everyone wanted to spend the 'peace > dividend'. remember that? > > your third graph only goes through 96 and shows a personnel/function > transfer to the DIA. if the janet reno quote from yesterday is based on > facts, funding for all intelligence services increased in the late years of > the clinton administration, which also makes sense, as terrorist activity, > both home and abroad, began to make an impact, (i'm thinking ok city 95, > khobar '96 (or so), the african embassies in 98.) cole would also have had > an effect, but ashcroft had other priorities. > > so can we agree, you overspoke? > > thanks for the research. > > patrick > > ps. i do want to point out that the cia/fbi disfunction is absolutely > nonpartisan through many administrations. the only admin that has had a > mandate to clean up the mess is this one, and they've not even begun the > job. bush didn't want the dept of homeland security, then wanted no union > protections, so of course couldn't fold the fbi in (they would have never > stood for it). so we have disfunction still, which is another reason why i > don't feel safer than i did on 9/12/01. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:01:00 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: was The unbelievable...., now "the day" / Lori NJC > I looooooooove Laura Love. Oh yeah....... I met Laura back in the early 90s ... she was sitting next to me at a women's music festival in Texas and asked to borrow my pen. She made a note, then got on stage to perform and BLEW ME AWAY. Not only is she awesomely talented, she's gracious and drop-dead gorgeous besides. : ) > Lori, you don't like that expression "back in the day"? I never heard > it til I got online - it seems to "work" for me somehow, but you know > what?? I'm going to examine the reasons why. You know what else? I think what bugs me about it is that most of the people I hear saying it are 20-somethings who generally haven't lived that many days to look "back" to. Since you're in your mid-forties (like me), my rulebook says YOU are allowed to say it all you want. ; ) Lori, who doesn't trust anyone under 30 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:27:23 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Joni's art - Diary of a Decade link > The Diary of a Decade site should also be hosted by Les on > the jmdl.com site but cannot find where it is... Perhaps Les can help? Certainly. The site can be found by searching the article database (do a text search on "Diary of a Decade") or directly here: http://www.jmdl.com/diary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:29:39 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: david sapp Subject: Re: anti-war from the very begining NOW Joni's 1st 2 recorded songs As an added note Joni's 1st 2 recorded songs foreshadow much of her future work: Leaving the dream no blame in King (There's no one to blame No there's no one to name as a traitor here); also the honesty and unvarnished truth of the track. Michael from Mountains then serves as a counterpoint to King - the tender hope of Michael as love sucks us back that way. Great stuff. peace, david PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:29:59 -0300 From: "Caio Nehring" Subject: Re: Fw: That Post Where Everything Is Music (...) The strumming and the flute notes rise into the atmosphere, and even if the whole world's harp should burn up, there will still be hidden instruments playing. (...) (From: MONSTERS OF GRACE A Digital Opera in Three Dimensions Philip Glass & Robert Wilson Lyrics by Yalal al-Din Rumi Translated and Adapted from the original by Coleman Barks ) Man...that was really beauti-full. If i got right what u did (i'm brazilian, just speak "some" english...) i 'd say your attitude was magnificent towards the old Nadia. It really moved me to the gates of tears, what is not unusual for me, living this mean & unfair world (even in my instant and real world, Brasil...excluded scattered all over) of excluded people all around, exploited, forgotten. Not that you need or deserve any more recognition from anyone coz of this or that, but Thanx 4 doin' what u have done 2 her. If u get what i mean, that is somethin' like taking the 1st step in a long journey. One is all. All is one simple move you do... Usually people don't realise the magnitude of these isolated actions. Give oneself away. It probably felt wonderful a lot in your and her soul. One more time: Man...that was really beauti-full. There's still some Humanity & Dignity left. Sincerely, Caio Nehring avenida sco luiz 71-401 01046-001 sco paulo/sp/brasil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:41:30 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: The unbelievable "Joni i hate you and you're retarted" list What's this list called? Is it a Joni list? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:46:10 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: sources He has said in a couple of recent interviews that Joni will be remembered in history as the best of the lot, better than Dylan. If you check the CSN official website, you can no doubt find it if you want to wade through some long interviews. I have not heard of a rift between them. RR Janine Sherman wrote: > Clear DayNuriel, > I will try to locate my source on David Crosby's comments. I distinctly > remember reading them recently (the bitterness and ungrateful bit) but can not > recall exactly where. He also makes himself very clear that when the dust > settles SHE is the one that will go down as the very best at the craft. Anyone > else recall reading (source?) recent comments from him about her > ungratefulness and even something about her knowing what he was talking about > like they had had a recent tiff? > > Thanks, > > Janine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:49:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: The unbelievable "Joni i hate you and you're retarted" list Believe it or not, this list is called "I Love Music" (ILM). It's not a Joni list, thank God. Why, Randy, you feel an urge to join?:) Love, Nuriel Randy Remote wrote: What's this list called? Is it a Joni list? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:56:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: was The unbelievable...., now "the day" / Lori NJC - --- Lori Fye wrote: > I met Laura back in the early 90s ... she was sitting next to me at a > women's > music festival in Texas and asked to borrow my pen. She made a note, > then got > on stage to perform and BLEW ME AWAY. Not only is she awesomely > talented, > she's gracious and drop-dead gorgeous besides. : ) How cool! and yes, quite gorgeous.... one thing not *quite* so good about being on this list is its making me want to spend tons of $$ on CD's!!!! yow!!!!! gonna need a part time job! but its good to get your head fed, ya know? > You know what else? I think what bugs me about it is that most of > the people I > hear saying it are 20-somethings who generally haven't lived that > many days to > look "back" to. Since you're in your mid-forties (like me), my > rulebook says > YOU are allowed to say it all you want. ; ) awww thanks Lori, you are just too kind to me, you know that??? :D Em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:49:26 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Jonifest 2004 Hi all you wonderful people! Did you know that Jonifest 2004 if ONLY 4 months and 11 days away?? It's true! And one of my jobs as the Registrar this year is to get everyone registered and collect deposits as early as possible. Remember until your deposit is in you won't have a reservation. Beds are going fast! Don't be shy, don't delay! Be sure to make your reservations today! For those of you who have never been to a Jonifest, and think you might want to attend but are unsure, please take a moment to look at the pictures and written accounts of past Jonifests at the JMDL website and that may give you an idea of what it's all about. Basically it's about good music, good food and great people to enjoy them with in a resort setting - summer camp for adults!! Looking forward to seeing you all there! Below is a list of those who are coming so far. Donna B. AKA The Texas Tush Donna Binkley (djb@binkleybarfield.com) - Houston, Texas Jenny Goodspeed (jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com) - Shutesbury, MA Brian Gross (briangross@rocketmail.com) - Woodbury, NJ Mags Holden-Gross (magsnbrei@yahoo.com) - Woodbury, NJ Les Irvin (ljirvin@jmdl.com) - Colorado Springs, CO Alex Krutsky (alex@jmdl.com) - Cambridge, MA patrick leader (pleader@nyc.rr.com) - new york, ny Catherine McKay (anima_rising@yahoo.ca) - Etobicoke, ON Maggie McNally (mm@celebrityseries.org) - Cambridge, MA Michael Paz (michael@thepazgroup.com) - Destrehan, La. Steven Polifka (polifkas@matc.edu) - Milwaukee, WI Les Ross (lxross@ctrl.co.uk) - London, Laura Stanley (lcstanley7@aol.com) - North Little Rock, Arkansas Ashara Stansfield (AsharaProducLLC@aol.com) - Topsfield, MA Jeff Williams (swtaipei@hotmail.com) - Racine, WI This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:58:15 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Jonifest 2004 Hi all you wonderful people! Did you know that Jonifest 2004 if ONLY 4 months and 11 days away?? It's true! And one of my jobs as the Registrar this year is to get everyone registered and collect deposits as early as possible. Remember until your deposit is in you won't have a reservation. Beds are going fast! Don't be shy, don't delay! Be sure to make your reservations today! For those of you who have never been to a Jonifest, and think you might want to attend but are unsure, please take a moment to look at the pictures and written accounts of past Jonifests at the JMDL website and that may give you an idea of what it's all about. Basically it's about good music, good food and great people to enjoy them with in a resort setting - summer camp for adults!! Looking forward to seeing you all there! Below is a list of those who are coming so far. Donna B. AKA The Texas Tush Donna Binkley (djb@binkleybarfield.com) - Houston, Texas Jenny Goodspeed (jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com) - Shutesbury, MA Brian Gross (briangross@rocketmail.com) - Woodbury, NJ Mags Holden-Gross (magsnbrei@yahoo.com) - Woodbury, NJ Les Irvin (ljirvin@jmdl.com) - Colorado Springs, CO Alex Krutsky (alex@jmdl.com) - Cambridge, MA patrick leader (pleader@nyc.rr.com) - new york, ny Catherine McKay (anima_rising@yahoo.ca) - Etobicoke, ON Maggie McNally (mm@celebrityseries.org) - Cambridge, MA Michael Paz (michael@thepazgroup.com) - Destrehan, La. Steven Polifka (polifkas@matc.edu) - Milwaukee, WI Les Ross (lxross@ctrl.co.uk) - London, Laura Stanley (lcstanley7@aol.com) - North Little Rock, Arkansas Ashara Stansfield (AsharaProducLLC@aol.com) - Topsfield, MA Jeff Williams (swtaipei@hotmail.com) - Racine, WI This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:56:48 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: (NJC) Tom Robbins ... Wally (devilish Wally) Kairuz wrote: > > ..., who's having one of his classes read "the turn of the screw" this > month... And with your enthusiastic approach, I'm sure a good time will be had by all. Wish I'd encountered Henry James with such guidance... Reading Henry James to me is like being in a taxi, with a driver who stops, then starts, and then backs up, telling his history, and that of his family, his father's work in another country, their travel to this place, what he had for breakfast that morning, and how it compares to breakfast yesterday, and how it compares to his history of breakfasts, and ooops is that gas?, and then I see a bit wallpaper on the side of the cab, why is it here?, the bars, the cage, the clarity of yellow against white with tiny light green leaves, the fly walking along a printed branch, wondering where his family is now, scratching his forelegs, while we turn left, and wait at a light -- and pause even longer -- watching pedestrians pass by, one glances at us, and somewhere on this journey, I know, there is a mystery, a fine one, full of psychological insights, from the brilliant writer who is now my driver; how did that happen?; the journey, the jarring journey, is so disturbing, so jolting and abrupt and never-ending, that now I'm seasick, and those insights -- that finely tuned mystery within the finely tuned collection of commas and dashes -- has made me ill, and I think, never again, not once again unless forced by a torturer, and why would I be in such a situation?, will I ever take such a journey. The Turn of the Screw is a fine story, though. I know because I saw the movie. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:03:39 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: was The unbelievable...., now "the day" / Lori NJC Hey Lori! Oddly enough, that Women's Music Festival, called "Friend Fest" is happening this Sunday in Dripping Springs! Why not hop on down here and go with me!? db >>> Lori Fye 4/14/2004 11:01:00 AM >>> > I looooooooove Laura Love. Oh yeah....... I met Laura back in the early 90s ... she was sitting next to me at a women's music festival in Texas and asked to borrow my pen. She made a note, then got on stage to perform and BLEW ME AWAY. Not only is she awesomely talented, she's gracious and drop-dead gorgeous besides. : ) > Lori, you don't like that expression "back in the day"? I never heard > it til I got online - it seems to "work" for me somehow, but you know > what?? I'm going to examine the reasons why. You know what else? I think what bugs me about it is that most of the people I hear saying it are 20-somethings who generally haven't lived that many days to look "back" to. Since you're in your mid-forties (like me), my rulebook says YOU are allowed to say it all you want. ; ) Lori, who doesn't trust anyone under 30 This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:59:06 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: The unbelievable "Joni i hate you and you're retarted" list Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Believe it or not, this list is called "I Love Music" (ILM). It's not a Joni list, thank God. Why, Randy, you feel an urge to join?:) No, I think we should attack their infrastructure, and remove their webmaster, for the good of the internet. It's obviously a breeding ground for Joni-haters. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:29:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: sources - --- Randy Remote wrote: > He has said in a couple of recent interviews that Joni will be > remembered in history as the best of the lot, better than Dylan. well she's a better painter (on a 2d surface) than Dylan anyway. As to "brain paintings" visuals that songs give, I dunno, it would be like putting Vermeer up against Rembrandt. ;) Em ps not that anyone would be interested to know, but one of the ultimate brain paintings to me is "Fleur deLis" by Richard Shindell...whew...BLOWS me away...... metallic sufaces and all.... ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:34:31 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: (NJC) Tom Robbins ... LOL!!! :-D Too, too cool! bp Debra gave us: > Reading Henry James to me is like being in a taxi, with a driver who > stops, then starts, and then backs up, telling his history, and that of > his family, his father's work in another country, their travel to this > place, what he had for breakfast that morning, and how it compares to > breakfast yesterday, and how it compares to his history of breakfasts, > and ooops is that gas?, and then I see a bit wallpaper on the side of > the cab, why is it here?, the bars, the cage, the clarity of yellow > against white with tiny light green leaves, the fly walking along a > printed branch, wondering where his family is now, scratching his > forelegs, while we turn left, and wait at a light -- and pause even > longer -- watching pedestrians pass by, one glances at us, and somewhere > on this journey, I know, there is a mystery, a fine one, full of > psychological insights, from the brilliant writer who is now my driver; > how did that happen?; the journey, the jarring journey, is so > disturbing, so jolting and abrupt and never-ending, that now I'm > seasick, and those insights -- that finely tuned mystery within the > finely tuned collection of commas and dashes -- has made me ill, and I > think, never again, not once again unless forced by a torturer, and why > would I be in such a situation?, will I ever take such a journey. > > The Turn of the Screw is a fine story, though. I know because I saw the movie. > > Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:37:53 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: (NJC) Tom Robbins ...(and Henry James, again) Oh, Debra...while I'm still on the subject...PLEASE...do Tom Robbins for us? PLEASE? bp, still laughing Debra...in case ya missed it: > Reading Henry James to me is like being in a taxi, with a driver who > stops, then starts, and then backs up, telling his history, and that of > his family, his father's work in another country, their travel to this > place, what he had for breakfast that morning, and how it compares to > breakfast yesterday, and how it compares to his history of breakfasts, > and ooops is that gas?, and then I see a bit wallpaper on the side of > the cab, why is it here?, the bars, the cage, the clarity of yellow > against white with tiny light green leaves, the fly walking along a > printed branch, wondering where his family is now, scratching his > forelegs, while we turn left, and wait at a light -- and pause even > longer -- watching pedestrians pass by, one glances at us, and somewhere > on this journey, I know, there is a mystery, a fine one, full of > psychological insights, from the brilliant writer who is now my driver; > how did that happen?; the journey, the jarring journey, is so > disturbing, so jolting and abrupt and never-ending, that now I'm > seasick, and those insights -- that finely tuned mystery within the > finely tuned collection of commas and dashes -- has made me ill, and I > think, never again, not once again unless forced by a torturer, and why > would I be in such a situation?, will I ever take such a journey. > > The Turn of the Screw is a fine story, though. I know because I saw the movie. > > Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:47:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: sources/fuming a bit you know, and why even compare JM and Dylan?? when not let them each stand as their own beautiful tall tree? Why pit them against each other??? To me thats kind of an aggressive thing to do. It makes football fans out of us, whether we want that or not. Music is NOT a Superbowl. Who cares if the BMW or the MErcedes is better? They're BOTH awesome! grrrrrrrrr..... baaaad Crosby baaaaad :( Em < wrote: > --- Randy Remote wrote: > > He has said in a couple of recent interviews that Joni will be > > remembered in history as the best of the lot, better than Dylan. > > well she's a better painter (on a 2d surface) than Dylan anyway. > As to "brain paintings" visuals that songs give, I dunno, it would be > like putting Vermeer up against Rembrandt. > ;) > Em > ps not that anyone would be interested to know, but one of the > ultimate > brain paintings to me is "Fleur deLis" by Richard > Shindell...whew...BLOWS me away...... metallic sufaces and all.... > > ===== > "A minotaur gets very sore" > ....ISB '68 > > ===== > "A minotaur gets very sore" > ....ISB '68 > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:02:09 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: almost famous njc well em, you most definately need to come to a jonifest because that is the way it is all the time! Em wrote: > It was just like part of the "thing"..you get together; you DO you > bring guitars..you WILL end playing, even if strumming quietly so the > others don't much hear you. And you hold the guitar the whole damn > evening, just because it feels good and makes you feel whole. > Maybe some of you all on here still live like that. I do not, and I > kinda miss it. > Wishing you all tons o'fun with your guitars or whatever instruments. > :) > Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:02:25 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: almost famous njc well em, you most definately need to come to a jonifest because that is the way it is all the time! Em wrote: > It was just like part of the "thing"..you get together; you DO you > bring guitars..you WILL end playing, even if strumming quietly so the > others don't much hear you. And you hold the guitar the whole damn > evening, just because it feels good and makes you feel whole. > Maybe some of you all on here still live like that. I do not, and I > kinda miss it. > Wishing you all tons o'fun with your guitars or whatever instruments. > :) > Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:24:00 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: sources/fuming a bit - njc now > Who cares if the BMW or the MErcedes is better? They're BOTH awesome! Em, I thought you'd have written "Who cares if the BMW or the Ducati is better? They're BOTH awesome!" Just injecting a little motorcyclin' jargon for ya ... : ) Lori, looking forward to the Mid-Atlantic Women's Motorcycle Rally in Gettysburg in June and ... HEY JANINE! If I don't mail it before then, I'll bring that tape I've been promising you since, oh, Jonifest! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:54:52 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: NJC - Looking for someone to do research Hi Joniphiles - I'm looking for someone interested in doing some music-related research and data entry. If interested, contact me off-list. There is pay involved but you're not going to get rich. :-) Thanks, Les NP: Christopher Parkening - "Afro-Cuban Lullaby" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:21:46 -0400 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Almost famous, but VERY wrong NJC??? Hi Hell, I'm not a huge fan of the show "Friends" but i am almost certain that I did catch that episode where that mondegreen was uttered by none other than Phoebe. I've never forgotten it either and think of it every time I hear "Tiny Dancer" now!! Best regards, Gary hell wrote: >I also loved this movie - very well scripted and acted. >But I can't listen to Tiny Dancer seriously any more, since hearing a great mondegreen: > >"Hold me closer, Tony Danza" > >I can't remember where I heard it - it was a TV comedy show, though. Has anyone else heard this? > > >Hell >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "To have great poets, there must be >great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > >Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:12:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: sources/fuming a bit - njc now - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Em, I thought you'd have written "Who cares if the BMW or the Ducati > is better? > They're BOTH awesome!" > > Just injecting a little motorcyclin' jargon for ya ... Uh oh you're getting it bad now, Lori.... ;) I'm having to "throttle back" a bit (pun intended, yes) on the MC stuff; been obsessed too long I think - need to put the pot on a back burner, but leave it on simmer. For now. Will stir it occasionally I'm sure. > looking forward to the Mid-Atlantic Women's Motorcycle Rally in > Gettysburg in > June and I've always heard that was a really great rally. I bet you and Allison will have a blast, and its not even too far from your own back yard. How cool is that??? vroooooooomm!!!!!!!! :) Em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:23:25 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Fleur de Lis WAS Re: sources NJC Wow, I love that song - but I'm not sure what it's about. So... what's Shindell getting at? At 11:29 AM 4/14/2004 -0700, Em wrote: >ps not that anyone would be interested to know, but one of the ultimate >brain paintings to me is "Fleur deLis" by Richard >Shindell...whew...BLOWS me away...... metallic sufaces and all.... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:32:06 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: anti-war from the very begining NOW Joni's 1st 2 recorded songs Some critics - and Joni herself - dismiss her earliest albums as naive, hippy-dippy, fluffy fairy stuff, but it is striking how the first song on her first album is so quintessentially Joni. In that very first song, you have a declaration of independence, a borderline bitchy swipe at the ex-lover, and the tug between modernity and nostalgia - with modernity being the winner. At 11:29 AM 4/14/2004 -0500, you wrote: >As an added note Joni's 1st 2 recorded songs foreshadow much of her future >work: > >Leaving the dream no blame in King >(There's no one to blame >No there's no one to name as a traitor here); also the honesty and >unvarnished truth of the track. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:42:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Fleur de Lis WAS Re: sources NJC I think its a mess, a whole "passle" of old old hurt thats about roots and what you can and can't be. And I think its pretty sorrowful. But! damn its lovely.... and the visuals......this is one of those songs I'm not tempted to pick apart too much..sorta like Desolation Row or a Burroughs novel..but just let it wash over me. Don't wanna look too close at that one cuz it would burn like the sun. Those are my quick impressions. Its a beast of a song, a delicate beast. Em < wrote: > Wow, I love that song - but I'm not sure what it's about. So... > what's > Shindell getting at? > > At 11:29 AM 4/14/2004 -0700, Em wrote: > >ps not that anyone would be interested to know, but one of the > ultimate > >brain paintings to me is "Fleur deLis" by Richard > >Shindell...whew...BLOWS me away...... metallic sufaces and all.... > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > messling@enter.net > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:29:15 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: sources/fuming a bit - njc now > I'm having to "throttle back" a bit (pun intended, yes) on the MC > stuff; been obsessed too long I think - need to put the pot on a back > burner, but leave it on simmer. For now. Will stir it occasionally I'm > sure. Em, I got in *trouble* last night from Allison for "stealing" you from that list for wayward women who ride motorcycles, and dragging you over *here*! Ah well. Blame it on Joni, I say. She won't mind. ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:37:18 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Jonifest 2004 (njc) Donna wrote, in part: > Below is a list of those who are coming so far. > > Donna Binkley (djb@binkleybarfield.com) - Houston, Texas > Jenny Goodspeed (jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com) - Shutesbury, MA > Brian Gross (briangross@rocketmail.com) - Woodbury, NJ > Mags Holden-Gross (magsnbrei@yahoo.com) - Woodbury, NJ > Les Irvin (ljirvin@jmdl.com) - Colorado Springs, CO > Alex Krutsky (alex@jmdl.com) - Cambridge, MA > patrick leader (pleader@nyc.rr.com) - new york, ny > Catherine McKay (anima_rising@yahoo.ca) - Etobicoke, ON > Maggie McNally (mm@celebrityseries.org) - Cambridge, MA > Michael Paz (michael@thepazgroup.com) - Destrehan, La. > Steven Polifka (polifkas@matc.edu) - Milwaukee, WI > Les Ross (lxross@ctrl.co.uk) - London, > Laura Stanley (lcstanley7@aol.com) - North Little Rock, Arkansas > Ashara Stansfield (AsharaProducLLC@aol.com) - Topsfield, MA > Jeff Williams (swtaipei@hotmail.com) - Racine, WI I'll be there, I'll be there! I think I *did* register for it, but I haven't sent in my monies 'cause I had to pay Uncle Sam first. I'll be sleeping in a tent this year, though, so I'm not worried about a room. Lori, who says "c'mon y'all!!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:44:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: sources/fuming a bit - njc now - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Em, I got in *trouble* last night from Allison for "stealing" you > from that list > for wayward women who ride motorcycles, and dragging you over *here*! > > Ah well. Blame it on Joni, I say. She won't mind. ; ) well hmm I'm not really *gone* from there, and I haven't really "landed" here, so I'm just visiting both lists like a stray neighborhood dog. (promise not to pee on the mailbox) (oops thats boy dogs) If I could just find a painter's list as fine and vital and nurturing and fun as both this list and the "wayward women on bikes" one...well, I'd have it made, I do believe. 3 fine lists! I would be rich! In the meantime, I appreciate everyone's kindness here as well as your anger and sharp wit and wicked intelligence and all that stuff. :D Em np Madreblu "Gli Angeli" acoustic version ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:01:39 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Jonifest 2004 (njc) New Thread? Dear Lori, Hootie hoo and paaatay! Thanks for your response! I look forward to seeing you in the camping grounds mama-rama. love ya, db >>> Lori Fye 04/14/04 6:37 PM >>> Donna wrote, in part: > Below is a list of those who are coming so far. > > Donna Binkley (djb@binkleybarfield.com) - Houston, Texas > Jenny Goodspeed (jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com) - Shutesbury, MA > Brian Gross (briangross@rocketmail.com) - Woodbury, NJ > Mags Holden-Gross (magsnbrei@yahoo.com) - Woodbury, NJ > Les Irvin (ljirvin@jmdl.com) - Colorado Springs, CO > Alex Krutsky (alex@jmdl.com) - Cambridge, MA > patrick leader (pleader@nyc.rr.com) - new york, ny > Catherine McKay (anima_rising@yahoo.ca) - Etobicoke, ON > Maggie McNally (mm@celebrityseries.org) - Cambridge, MA > Michael Paz (michael@thepazgroup.com) - Destrehan, La. > Steven Polifka (polifkas@matc.edu) - Milwaukee, WI > Les Ross (lxross@ctrl.co.uk) - London, > Laura Stanley (lcstanley7@aol.com) - North Little Rock, Arkansas > Ashara Stansfield (AsharaProducLLC@aol.com) - Topsfield, MA > Jeff Williams (swtaipei@hotmail.com) - Racine, WI I'll be there, I'll be there! I think I *did* register for it, but I haven't sent in my monies 'cause I had to pay Uncle Sam first. I'll be sleeping in a tent this year, though, so I'm not worried about a room. Lori, who says "c'mon y'all!!" This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:44:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: The unseen Brad Mcmath Could someone please give me a link to Brad Mcmath's pic? I never saw how this man, who is one of "The children who made her", looks like. (and the google didn't help) so i was wondering - is he hiding his face for some reason?... Thanks and Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:30:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Kate bush and quitting the music biz It's been more than a decade since Kate bush last album "The red shoes" was released. Like Joni, she said that she has decided to quit the music biz, felt that she was no longer part of it, and wanted to raise her son. Anyway, her new album is on the way. No release date yet (though it's already complete), but word is, that it's real soon. Just an exmaple of another fine artist who stepped out - made it seem as if she was never to return - then changed her mind, and has decided to step back in. It's never too late to change your mind. Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:02:45 -0400 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: Re: Jonifest 2004 (njc) Hey gang, Someone please tell me how far it is from Gettysburg, PA to fest ok? After my husband met Paz last fall he has been considering attending with me since Paz was so infectious and musical and had such super cool toys!!! One problem is that we can only come late Friday and stay Saturday and come back Sunday night. Any ideas for us for housing ? Dan has a cool new Taylor 12 string he has been strumming a plenty. ( plus we just toured the Taylor plant in El Cajon last week-COOOOL) No Joni yet though. OH WELL, you can't win 'em all. Thanks for the reminder. Janine NP: The OC ( so shallow- but so juicy) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" To: "Donna Binkley" Cc: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Jonifest 2004 (njc) > Donna wrote, in part: > > > Below is a list of those who are coming so far. > > > > Donna Binkley (djb@binkleybarfield.com) - Houston, Texas > > Jenny Goodspeed (jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com) - Shutesbury, MA > > Brian Gross (briangross@rocketmail.com) - Woodbury, NJ > > Mags Holden-Gross (magsnbrei@yahoo.com) - Woodbury, NJ > > Les Irvin (ljirvin@jmdl.com) - Colorado Springs, CO > > Alex Krutsky (alex@jmdl.com) - Cambridge, MA > > patrick leader (pleader@nyc.rr.com) - new york, ny > > Catherine McKay (anima_rising@yahoo.ca) - Etobicoke, ON > > Maggie McNally (mm@celebrityseries.org) - Cambridge, MA > > Michael Paz (michael@thepazgroup.com) - Destrehan, La. > > Steven Polifka (polifkas@matc.edu) - Milwaukee, WI > > Les Ross (lxross@ctrl.co.uk) - London, > > Laura Stanley (lcstanley7@aol.com) - North Little Rock, Arkansas > > Ashara Stansfield (AsharaProducLLC@aol.com) - Topsfield, MA > > Jeff Williams (swtaipei@hotmail.com) - Racine, WI > > > I'll be there, I'll be there! I think I *did* register for it, but I haven't > sent in my monies 'cause I had to pay Uncle Sam first. I'll be sleeping in a > tent this year, though, so I'm not worried about a room. > > Lori, > who says "c'mon y'all!!" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #169 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)