From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #167 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 14 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 167 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's art [Catherine McKay ] Re: anti-war from the very begining [Catherine McKay ] Is that Joni in the Revlon Commercial? ["Richard Flynn" ] re: Almost Famous, but VERY wrong [Catherine McKay ] Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers [Randy Remote ] rE: Bush Doctrine--(much) long(er), now (NJC) (PC) now intelligence spending ["patrick leader" ] The unbelievable "Joni i hate you and you're retarted" list [Nuriel Tobia] NJC W's Press conference ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers [Em ] sources ["Janine Sherman" ] in your dream? [anne@sandstrom.com] was Joni Singing To Soldiers now NJC [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: NJC W's Press conference [Catherine McKay ] Re: The unbelievable "Joni i hate you and you're retarded" list [Lori Fye] Re: The unbelievable "Joni i hate you and you're retarted" list [Catherin] Re: (NJC) To ease the gas pains ... [Lori Fye ] Re: anti-war from the very begining [kate@katebennett.com] almost famous njc [kate@katebennett.com] Re: njc so called democracy [kate@katebennett.com] Re: (NJC) To ease the gas pains ... [Chris Marshall ] Re: Almost famous, but VERY wrong NJC??? ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:07:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's art --- Em wrote: > Thanks Bob. And also thanks Lori and Jamie too, for > trying to hook me > up. Couldn't find the diary tho. Will look more at > all this stuff when > I get home. > Thx! > :D > Em > You can still also buy a copy of the catalogue of Joni's art from the Mandel in Saskatoon a few years ago: http://www.mendel.ca/shop/ ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:11:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: anti-war from the very begining --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Bob, > > Your question answers itself. The fact that he sings > songs about war - not about love, nature, and peace > - trying to woo girls, is what she finds revolting. > But i guess it's a mix between anti-war and > anti-chuck, and we're both right on the money this > time. > I think it's less a case of Joni's being turned off by his singing of wars and wine, and more a case of her not being the blushing maiden in old-fashioned gingham, but a tough-love chick in leather and lace. But yeah, she was already off Chuck by that time! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:14:46 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Is that Joni in the Revlon Commercial? Maybe they should put her in lingerie to counter Dylan being "sick of love" in the Victoria's Secret commercial? Or Maybe it's Maybelline (Honey is that you?) ;-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Suzanne MarcAurele Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:35 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: Is that Joni in the Revlon Commercial? There is this new commercial I have seen that has this woman's voice singing "I believe in love" anyone know if that is Mitchell - sure sounded like her! s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:16:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc knit nuts --- tantra_apso wrote: > over on one of my knitting lists, they are > discussing a knitting pattern for > men's underwear!!!! > Knit underwear sounds very scratchy! Just thinking about it makes me itchy! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:20:25 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Is that Joni in the Revlon Commercial? Maybe they should put her in lingerie to counter Dylan being "sick of love" in the Victoria's Secret commercial? Or Maybe it's Maybelline (Honey is that you?) ;-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Suzanne MarcAurele Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:35 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: Is that Joni in the Revlon Commercial? There is this new commercial I have seen that has this woman's voice singing "I believe in love" anyone know if that is Mitchell - sure sounded like her! s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:20:46 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Is that Joni in the Revlon Commercial? On second thought, this web page says Joni Mitchell uses Estie Lauder "Silent Red" as her preferred lip gloss. The Revlon Girls are: Revlon: Halle Berry: Revlon "Girlie" Moisturestay Lipcolor Cindy Crawford: "Revlon Red", "Pure Red", Revlon "Sienna" ColorStay Lipstick Salma Hayek: Revlon "Stone" Christina Ricci: Revlon "Nude" matte liquid lip colour Claudia Schiffer: Revlon "Toast of New York" lipstick and ColorStay lip liner in "Nude" I;m not making this up, but maybe they are: http://purpletights.com/diva/celebpicks.htm - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Suzanne MarcAurele Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:35 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: Is that Joni in the Revlon Commercial? There is this new commercial I have seen that has this woman's voice singing "I believe in love" anyone know if that is Mitchell - sure sounded like her! s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:22:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Bush-NJC --- Suzanne MarcAurele wrote: > I am not crazy about the war in fact after watching > "The Patriot" one > wonders how sane men have ever been! Watching those > guys march to a point > and then blindly kill each other just astonished me > it so vividly depicts > the stupidity of politics. My daughter and I watched that the other night too. I had never seen it before and wasn't too keen on watching it at all because I had heard how violent it was, but Sarah really wanted to see it, so I watched it with her. I'm sure they censored out some of the worst stuff, but it was bad enough as it was. I sat there wondering how weird and stupid it was that, back in those days, both sides would march towards each other in a line until they get to within a certain distance of each other and then just start firing away. I wondered how they could be so stupid as to go ahead and do that, knowing perfectly well how likely they would be to get killed. But then again, there is today, where you can just push a button and drop a bomb or fire a missile and never see who you're killing. So maybe their way, back then, stupid as it was, makes more sense, because you would be perfectly aware of what you were doing. These days, if you kill people without even seeing them, then maybe they didn't exist and maybe you didn't do anything. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:24:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re: Almost Famous, but VERY wrong --- c Karma wrote: > Actually, yes. The temporal incongruity of "Blue" > in the scene was > forewarned to the list prior to the actual > theatrical release of "Almost > Famous." I'd seen an advance screening and knew > that Joniphiles would catch > that one. Upon subsequent review, though I've come > to accept the scene as a > less literal but more achronistic metaphor to > illustrate young William's > musical awakening, precipitated by his sister's > departure and inheritance of > her record collection. Perhaps a keener eye than > mine might find another > example of a misplaced album that would not be > present in that collection. > > Try to think of it as the flipping of calendar > pages. Maybe I'm being > charitable but Cameron Crowe's stock as a Joni > Mitchell fan and supporter is > pre-eminent. I'm sure I read an interview or article where Crowe said he knew it was out of place (or time) but that he did it deliberately for reasons very much like what you say - to include la creme de la creme of the music of the era. I like your "flipping of calendar pages" analogy. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:34:29 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: (NJC) To ease the gas pains ... Wow- here in N. Cal, everyone's been squealing 'cause gas went up to $2.20/gal. Probably the highest in the nation, despite all the refineries here. tantra_apso wrote: > It's easier than that. Just think of us UK subjects paying $7 per gallon for > petrol/diesel. > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:34:58 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers Em wrote: > But for a guitarist, hmm wouldn't it be more fun to just have 8-10 > diff. guitars standing by, all perfectly tuned in the diff. tunings by > the 2 gentle men? 'Specially if you could afford really delicious > ones... (umm guitars that is) lol... She did this for many years. Maybe not quite that many-but surrounded by several Martins (and no doubt, several guys). The VG-8 solved several problems for her. Acoustic guitars are designed to be tuned to a certain tension, and the necks tend to get unstable and go out of tune when you slack tune them like she did. Also, holding a guitar began to give her back problems. Using the VG-8 allowed her to hook up an extremely lightweight guitar (a Parker Fly) which was only about 3 pounds. The VG-8 is essentially a guitar synthesizer, which takes the output of each separate string and digitizes it, allowing you to assign any pitch to any string. Or any sound treatment, stereo seperation, etc. The output of this setup is digital, not acoustic, which may explain some people's dislike of it. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:36:13 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: (NJC) Tom Robbins ... Lori Fye wrote: > ... I've decided, knows just about all of life's secrets. > > I'm currently reading Fierce Invalids Home From Hot Climates, and it's as witty > and wise as everything else he's written. > I was reading that one in the days following 9/11. (It takes place in the middle east). At one point the lead character, a CIA agent, says terrorist strikes are "inevitable", considering our foreign policy. I love Robbins-one of my favorite authors. He can pack more originality, wit, and clever wordplay into a paragraph than.... (Tom, help me out here).... I started with Still Life With Woodpecker, Jitterbug Perfume, worked my way back. Probably Roadside and Cowgirls were my least favorite, I think he got better as he went along. Loved Invalids. His latest, "Villa Incognito" is now in paperback. Tried "On the Road" and just couldn't get into it. So pull my friggin' beatnik card. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:06:23 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: rE: Bush Doctrine--(much) long(er), now (NJC) (PC) now intelligence spending now this is a serious answer. however i certainly don't think it supports the statement "general evisceration of the intelligence apparatus by the previous administration" we knew that funding for intelligence was going to go down after 1990; there was a bipartisan consensus. after the cold war ended, it was clear that we didn't need the same apparatus as before. noone expected the rise of global terrorism to the scale we have now, and everyone wanted to spend the 'peace dividend'. remember that? your third graph only goes through 96 and shows a personnel/function transfer to the DIA. if the janet reno quote from yesterday is based on facts, funding for all intelligence services increased in the late years of the clinton administration, which also makes sense, as terrorist activity, both home and abroad, began to make an impact, (i'm thinking ok city 95, khobar '96 (or so), the african embassies in 98.) cole would also have had an effect, but ashcroft had other priorities. so can we agree, you overspoke? thanks for the research. patrick np - siberry, shushan the palace "the child is so sweet, and the girls are so rapturous. isn't it lovely how artists can capture us?" 'children and art', from sondheim's 'sunday in the park with george' ps. i do want to point out that the cia/fbi disfunction is absolutely nonpartisan through many administrations. the only admin that has had a mandate to clean up the mess is this one, and they've not even begun the job. bush didn't want the dept of homeland security, then wanted no union protections, so of course couldn't fold the fbi in (they would have never stood for it). so we have disfunction still, which is another reason why i don't feel safer than i did on 9/12/01. The crucial issue that >follows from the changing nature of post- Cold War intelligence is whether >the current budget levels- roughly $19 billion for national >intelligence and >another $10 billion for military work-are justified." >"President Clinton came to office promising to cut intelligence spending by >about $7 billion over a five-year period. Later, Woolsey created some >confusion at his nomination hearings, testifying in support of the >president's program, and saying that the CIA might even be able to do a >little bit better than that-but generally making the case for more >spending, ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:06:27 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: the musical of musicals: the musical! - njc folks, i think i've told a few of you about this, but i saw this show the first time it played (dec 2 - jan 25) and thought it was a hoot. i'm going to try to see it again. jerry? patrick http://www.playbill.com/news/article/85495.html It's reopening from May 24 - July 31. I adored it, it's a cheesy musical "june can't pay the rent" done five times, in the style of 1)rogers and hammerstein 2)sondheim 3)jerry herman 4)andrew lloyd webber 5)kander and ebb I thought the songwriters really carried it off, especially the sondheim part. The cd's been released too. It was profiled in the Sunday Times in January, I copied the article below since their content goes pay. http://www.americantheaterweb.com/news/ind.asp?id=58675 http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0352/feingold2.php http://www.talkinbroadway.com/ob/12_16_03.html http://www.nytheatre.com/nytheatre/briefs.htm www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/entertainment/7577400.htm http://www.curtainup.com/musicalofmusicals.html January 4, 2004 Songs in Their Heads, Parody in Their Hearts By BARRY SINGER For Eric Rockwell and Joanne Bogart, brazen parody is the highest form of praise. As the creators  composer and lyricist, respectively  behind "The Musical of Musicals: The Musical!," Mr. Rockwell and Ms. Bogart have turned their intoxication with show tunes and their creators into a parody parade. The York Theater Company production at the Citigroup Center, which opened to enthusiastic reviews on Dec. 16 and runs through Jan. 25, tells the same story (poor June cannot pay her rent) in five set pieces, written in the style of different musical theater giants: Richard Rodgers and Oscar Hammerstein II ("Oh, what beautiful corn"); Stephen Sondheim ("The art of retribution/ Depends on execution"); Jerry Herman ("We all love a show tune/ The plot is not advancin'/ But so what? At least we're dancin' "); Andrew Lloyd Webber ("It might sound just a teeny/ Like something by Puccini,/ But no, it's all brand new"); and John Kander and Fred Ebb ("Drink your wine/ Cause life's a cabernet"). Ms. Bogart and Mr. Rockwell also perform as part of the show's cast of four, joining Lovette George and Craig Fols in end-to-end action, directed by Pamela Hunt, that sends Ms. Bogart up and down a "Hello, Dolly!" staircase and brings Mr. Rockwell out from behind the piano to huff and hoof as the evening's designated villain, a landlord variously named Jidder, Jitter, Mr. Jitters, Phantom Jitter and J|tter. "Initially this was going to be a Rodgers and Hammerstein parody," Mr. Rockwell said, seated with Ms. Bogart out front in the Theater at St. Peter's Church after a recent performance. "We wrote it in the BMI-Lehman Engel Musical Theater Workshop for our fellow songwriters. Then it just grew." Ms. Bogart asked rhetorically: "Did we do a lot of homework? Yes! It took five years." Mr. Rockwell elaborated. "We chose these particular composers and lyricists because we wanted to work with the strongest voices and the most opposite voices." His favorite section spoofs his idol, Mr. Sondheim. "It was the most intricate and challenging in terms of music," he said. And what if the composer stops by for a look? "I'd be excited and scared," Mr. Rockwell replied, "just like Little Red Riding Hood" in the Sondheim musical "Into the Woods." Indeed, the characters in "A Little Complex," the title of the Sondheim section, live in an apartment house called the Woods. Ms. Bogart's favorite song in the show is "Sell Your Body," which she performs in deep deadpan in the section that lampoons Mr. Kander and Mr. Ebb. Splayed across a bentwood chair ` la "Chicago," and employing a Teutonic accent ` la "Cabaret," Fraulein Abby sings: "Eager men will pay your price/ When you're hot they spot it/ It's very special merchandise/ You sell it  you still got it!" Ms. Bogart and Mr. Rockwell, who are in their mid-40's, met in the chorus of a summer stock production of "Camelot" in 1987. He had arrived in Manhattan from the Lake Tahoe area of Nevada; she, from Queens, admittedly a shorter journey, "but it still takes a while to cross that river." "We've done just about every one of the shows we're parodying," Ms. Bogart added, "in regional theater or summer stock. Finally we decided to switch gears and join BMI as writers." Their last number in "The Musical!" is called "Done," a parody of "One," the famous finale in "A Chorus Line": "It's over/Done/ For theater cognoscenti/ Done/ So we could pay the rent-y." Are they, in fact, done? Ms. Bogart laughed. "Now people are asking us: `Can you do Lerner and Loewe?' `What about Cole Porter?' " Mr. Rockwell shook his head. "We've written a number of children's musicals," he said, including "The Trials of Alice in Wonderland" at the Tada! Theater last summer and a forthcoming "David and Goliath." "That's the good thing about children's theater," he continued. "Those shows get produced. Now we need to write a book musical. For adults." Barry Singer's latest book, "Ever After: The Last Years of Musical Theater  and Beyond," will be published in April by Applause Books. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:07:15 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: njc dream of jmdl'ers wow cool. i hope i was doing any of my strident, anti-bush ranting. best to you marianne. next year in oliveira? patrick np - sib, shushan "the child is so sweet, and the girls are so rapturous. isn't it lovely how artists can capture us?" 'children and art', from sondheim's 'sunday in the park with george' >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >Marianne Rizzo >Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:48 PM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: njc dream of jmdl'ers > > >I had a dream two nights ago that three jmdl'ers came to my house. . . >Hmmm. > >Guess who were here? > >Well, Patrick L. was here and also Anne Sandstrom. They were in my yard >walking out of the side door and then down the walk. . . I >remember wishing >Anne a happy late birthday. >There was one other woman here too. . .she was wholesome and loving. . . >don't know who she was. > > >interesting. . . > >Marianne > >(upstate NY, Rochester) > >_________________________________________________________________ >Persistent heartburn? Check out Digestive Health & Wellness for >information >and advice. http://gerd.msn.com/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: The unbelievable "Joni i hate you and you're retarted" list LOL. Sorry...you probably never got an e-mail (as in the first e-mail of what may become a thread) that starts with a LOL, but since i'm still laughing, i just had to write it. I don't know what list it is, the google notes confused me, but it's the most disgusting parallel universe to our beloved JMDL. It's like if WE had to meet THEM - it would have been the third world war. I tried to add the link to this monsterous list, but failed, so, if you're not afraid of reading what this sickening bunch of creeps had to say about Joni, i've copied it, and here it is: (It begins with the news about T'LOG - but then come the "breathtaking" answers of this repulsive list members) Wednesday November 13, 4:27 AM Joni Mitchell says new album will be her last LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Veteran singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell, disgusted with the music business, has said her latest album will also be her last. "These are my last two records," the influential Canadian songstress said of her forthcoming double album "Travelogue". "I'm quitting after this because the business has made itself so repugnant to me," Mitchell, 59, was quoted as telling the December edition of W magazine in an interview. Mitchell, whose eclectic career spans 35 years across the genres of folk, rock and jazz, has been hinting for weeks that she might end the recording career that made her one of the most respected and outspoken artists of her generation. In an interview with Rolling Stone, published in October, Mitchell described the music business as a "cesspool," saying she would never take another deal in the record business, "which means I may not record again". In the W magazine interview, she blasted the recording industry as "the most corrupt one of all. They try not to pay you whenever possible." Venting her scorn on contemporary artists -- including Madonna -- Mitchell said of music industry executives; "They're not looking for talent. They're looking for a look and a willingness to cooperate. And a woman my age, no matter how well preserved, no longer has the look. And I've never had a willingness to cooperate." As for Madonna, who was once quoted as saying that as a teenager she had adored Mitchell: "She has knocked the importance of talent out of the arena. She's manufactured. She's made a lot of money and become the biggest star in the world by hiring the right people," Mitchell said. Canadian-born Mitchell, whose syncopated rhythms and introspective lyrics brought a breath of fresh air to the early 1970s music scene, inspired musicians ranging from Sting to David Bowie and Madonna herself. Yet her own records, even those like "Both Sides Now," "Big Yellow Taxi" and "Woodstock", never sold in huge numbers. She has refused to do anything to make her music more salable. "What would I do?", she asked in the W magazine interview. "Show my tits? Grab my crotch? Get hair extensions and a choreographer? It's not my world," she said. "Travelogue," a two-disc collection, features some but not all of Mitchell's greatest hits. It was recorded with the London Symphony Orchestra and a backing band that includes Herbie Hancock, Billy Preston and Wayne Shorter and will be released on November 18. - -- V (iodine99...), November 25th, 2002. Answers"What would I do? Show my tits? Grab my crotch? Get hair extensions and a choreographer?" Yes. - -- Dom Passantino (killallgoth...), November 25th, 2002. - --------------------------------- It's particularly weird as "Travelogue" is out on Nonesuch, not a label you'd immediately associate with sell-it-yesterday transient pop. She does seem to be taking the standard "in my day it were all fields round here and records had proper tunes" tone. And if she's so against Madonna-fication, then can she satisfactorily explain the inner sleeve of "Hissing Of Summer Lawns"? - -- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...), November 25th, 2002. - --------------------------------- Ah, Marcello, (I just read this as I was desperately trying to search for the Letterman quote, w/o success) her answer to that bikini-foto's function: "I swim everyday." - -- V (iodine99...), November 25th, 2002. - --------------------------------- The gatefold you mean? C'mon, if she regards herself that highly she's not above a little bikini action. Plus that was almost 20 years ago. - -- Sean (saturns...), November 25th, 2002. - --------------------------------- And if she's so against Madonna-fication, then can she satisfactorily explain the inner sleeve of "Hissing Of Summer Lawns"? What aboot her bare ass in the gatefold in For the Roses? - -- Vic Funk (doctor_funk_ph...), November 25th, 2002. - --------------------------------- Aha! Nice one. - -- Sean (saturns...), November 25th, 2002. - --------------------------------- Is it possible she's putting us on? Anyone who can stand there with a straight face and say that David Letterman is killing the music industry because he doesn't give his musical guests enough airtime clearly has a highly developed sense of the absurd. - -- o. nate (syne_wav...), November 25th, 2002. - --------------------------------- David Letterman features musical guests? - -- Alex in NYC (vassife...), November 25th, 2002. - --------------------------------- that lunch with Morrissey really lit a fire under her, n'est pas - -- J0hn Darn13ll3 (webmonste...), November 25th, 2002. - --------------------------------- it's obvious I hope but the swimming photo in "Summer Lawns" and Madonna's whole schtick are two entirely different things -- nudity/nearnudity/etc being something whose meaning varies according to context, for example my present total nakedness means something other than what it would mean if I weren't about to take a walk in the brisk November air - -- J0hn Darn13ll3 (webmonste...), November 25th, 2002. - --------------------------------- I think it means you're about to freeze your a** off. - -- o. nate (syne_wav...), November 25th, 2002. - --------------------------------- too late! I await my assless future with no small amt of anxiety - -- J0hn Darn13ll3 (webmonste...), November 25th, 2002. - --------------------------------- I fear for your being able to sit down properly, John. - -- Ned Raggett (ne...), November 25th, 2002. - --------------------------------- She hasn't done any exciting music after Wild Things Run Fast which is twenty years ago. I bought all records after that (and all before) hoping that she would catch herself one day. She never did. All these attacks on the music industry are just ways to divert from the fact that she has nothing to say anymore. Neither musically nor lyrically. She didn't age well. But her old music did. And I would have wished it for her so much. Why can't she just shut the fuck up. And stop doing records with symphonic orchestras diluting and massacring her beautiful old tunes. Ok, that's what she wants to do. Congratulations for the self-knowledge, Joni. And please don't change your mind again! - -- alex in mainhattan (alex6...), November 25th, 2002. - --------------------------------- Joni's statements show why her new songs have sucked for twenty years. They don't show you that she's still one of the world's best singers, which is why I'm gutted. - -- B.Rad (bradlue...), November 25th, 2002. - --------------------------------- David Letterman gives all his musical guests the same time: 1 song. And for the most part, I doubt he even decides who plays. I wonder, does she think she's saying anything new when she reminds us that THE INDUSTRY IS JADED, MAN. Really? No shit. - -- David Allen (Hippiedestroye...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- how come on this thread and the joan jett thread people keep saying "oh BITTER". its not about being bitter. the music industry is a bunch of sexist hogwash, its as simple as that. but i suppose i'm "bitter" as well, rather than actually having a political view. by the way i think the way everyone tried to defuse the main message of the joan jett open letter by talking about her use of the burkha was pretty bogus. sure, her use of the burka costume is dodgy but to concentrate on that is missing the point. - -- di smith (lucylure...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- I fucking hate Joni Mitchell. This changes nothing. - -- Anthony Miccio (anthonymicci...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- I dont care either way, her going after David Letterman is pure bullshit. - -- David Allen (Hippiedestroye...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- "What would I do? Show my tits? Grab my crotch? Get hair extensions and a choreographer?" b-b-but Joni Mitchell looks like my nutty aunt. I don't like thinking about my nutty aunt grabbing her crotch. - -- Lord Custos Omega (LordCusto...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- Actually, Letterman did make an exception for Warren Zevon a couple of weeks ago. Zevon got the whole show (and 3 songs) - -- Chris Barrus (xibalb...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- another reason that Joni Mitchell should die slowly. - -- Anthony Miccio (anthonymicci...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- Actually, Letterman did make an exception for Warren Zevon a couple of weeks ago. Zevon got the whole show (and 3 songs) Hey, it's not as bad as when Letterman did Late Night and the musical guest had to perform with The World's Most Dangerous Band. Sometimes all you'd get was the singer and a guitarist, and then you had Paul Shaffer and the boys playing the rest. - -- Vic Funk (doctor_funk_ph...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- Letterman's not a demon. He's a goofy guy with the baldness and teeth thing. That's not even slightly demonic. Now Glen Danzig is demonic. MUTHAAAAAHHHH! Tellyochillinnotah ComaWAAaAYYEeee!!!! - -- Helltime Producto (jostababy197...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- I don't like thinking about my nutty aunt grabbing her crotch. But do you think about your crotchety aunt grabbing your...well, never mind. - -- Ned Raggett (ne...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- . - --------------------------------- so it takes no musical talent to make effective soft porn videos?!! fuck that! - -- V (iodine99...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- Thats right, just a pair of tits and a whah whah pedal. - -- gazza (gaz_6...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- joni mitchell has been boring and old forever. she was probably boring and old in the '30s or whenever woodstock was. she should have just kept making gay jazz records with oil paintings on them and shut up about it. joni, if you're reading this, i hate you and you're retarded. - -- d k (enud000...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- as opposed to the Nu Woodstock where women were raped and people burnt and broke stuff. We've come such a long way! Kewl. :) - -- gazza (gaz_6...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- maybe if they hadn't been totally gay like joni mitchell they wouldn't have got raped. i mean, have you ever raped a woman before? unless you have, who are you to judge? i think when a man chooses to rape a woman he has a very good reason. go back to the '30s and smoke acid and pick cotton and go to woodstock, you hippie-loving socialist. socialism was a failure. look at cuba. do you want to be cuban? is joni mitchell cuban? go listen to the buena vista social club and read slashdot. - -- d k (enud000...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- are you currently seeing a Doctor Marcello? P.S I love you. - -- gazza (gaz_6...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- it wasn't me. - -- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- Oh dear. Sorry, sorry, very sorry Marcello. My most humble apologies. - -- gazza (gaz_6...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- Why is it that every new poster I like turns out to be an arsehole? - -- Tom (ebro...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- "i think when a man chooses to rape a woman he has a very good reason." that would be a good quote for some intrepid tabloid hack (say, the d*l*y r*c*r*) to come across, wouldn't it? if they were looking to dish the dirt by association? just a thought. - -- Anon 'cos I don't want to be googled in association with the quote! (ano...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- how the hell does stuff like this always get attached to the threads i start up? and i start so few too...like my average of number-o-threads-i-started-this-year is so much lower than all yours...sigh is it because i called dave letterman a demon, am i being cursed by the tv gods now? - -- V (iodine99...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- yeah d k that was way out of line!!!! wtf, chill out - -- Tracer Hand (tracerhan...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- maybe if they hadn't been totally gay like joni mitchell they wouldn't have got raped. i mean, have you ever raped a woman before? unless you have, who are you to judge? i think when a man chooses to rape a woman he has a very good reason. Wow, you're so witty and acerbic! Like Jim Goad! Anyway, this is by far THEE DUMBEST thing I've ever read on ILM (even if it's all "ironic" and stuff). Which is saying quite a lot. - -- hstencil (hstenci...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- If Joni's music were still as vital as it was back-in-the-day, maybe this diatribe wouldn't seem so ugly and childish to me. Maybe if she took some of that vitriol and pent-up-energy and put it towards writing songs rather than bitter rants her albums would be selling more. Y'know, from what I understand, The Donnas are selling plenty of records without showing their tits. Bjork's albums are selling and I can't recall the last time I saw her grab her crotch. Ani DiFranco's albums are hellasellin', oh she's got hair extensions, that must be why...NOT! And, uh, did Joni totally miss the Norah Jones thing altogether? Or did Norah Jones show us her tits and I missed it? The threat about "I'll never record again because I hate the industry" is one of the most childish hilarious things I've ever seen...like a little kid threatening to never eat ever again simply because he doesn't like the meatloaf his mom cooked that night. Joni, please, GROW UP!!! Did she totally miss out on the Lilith Fair or something? - -- nickalicious (nza2342...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- Not to mention that in this age of ghostinternetland and DIY record labels, the recording industry is becoming more and more irrelevant. Seriously, she should talk with James Taylor. - -- hstencil (hstenci...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- can someone explain what's on the inner sleeve of '...summer lawns' ? am intrigued. - -- piscesboy (piscesxx...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- A pic of Joni swimming in a HOT bikini. - -- hstencil (hstenci...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- Bjork's albums are selling and I can't recall the last time I saw her grab her crotch. Someone didn't see the "Pagan Poetry" video... - -- Dan Perry (djperr...), November 26th, 2002. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:15:53 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: NJC W's Press conference This is clearly the most inarticulate, evasive, platitude spouting and, frankly, the stupidest presidential perforamnce I've ever witnessed. "A Free Iraq is a blow for terrorism"? Watchword of the day: "Wasn't on a war footing." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:19:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers Thanks for the explanation Randy. Now I want to know about that 3 lb guitar! will search for it... Parker "Fly" huh??? gonna check it out... :) Em - --- Randy Remote wrote: > lol... > She did this for many years. Maybe not quite that many-but > surrounded by several Martins (and no doubt, several guys). > The VG-8 solved several problems for her. Acoustic guitars > are designed to be tuned to a certain tension, and the necks > tend to get unstable and go out of tune when you slack tune > them like she did. > Also, holding a guitar began to give her back problems. Using the > VG-8 allowed her to hook up an extremely lightweight guitar > (a Parker Fly) which was only about 3 pounds. > The VG-8 is essentially a guitar synthesizer, which takes the > output of each separate string and digitizes it, allowing you to > assign any pitch to any string. Or any sound treatment, > stereo seperation, etc. The output of this setup is digital, > not acoustic, which may explain some people's dislike of it. > RR > ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:36:53 -0400 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: sources Clear DayNuriel, I will try to locate my source on David Crosby's comments. I distinctly remember reading them recently (the bitterness and ungrateful bit) but can not recall exactly where. He also makes himself very clear that when the dust settles SHE is the one that will go down as the very best at the craft. Anyone else recall reading (source?) recent comments from him about her ungratefulness and even something about her knowing what he was talking about like they had had a recent tiff? Thanks, Janine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:00:47 -0400 (EDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: in your dream? Hi Marianne. Wow. I'm touched that I actually walked across the landscape of your dream. Wonder who the third person was. hope all is well with you! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:04:51 -0400 (EDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: was Joni Singing To Soldiers now NJC Lama wrote: > np: Anne Sandstrom's "Ordinary Life" (Anne, are you > working on new songs?) Well, no, I haven't been writing music lately. Still trying to get my book published. Still, you don't know how wonderful it is to know that occasionally one of my songs reaches an appreciative set of ears. But I must wonder. I'm in your CD player. I'm in Marianne's dreams. What next???? lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:09:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC W's Press conference --- Richard Flynn wrote: > This is clearly the most inarticulate, evasive, > platitude spouting and, > frankly, the stupidest presidential perforamnce I've > ever witnessed. > > > "A Free Iraq is a blow for terrorism"? ?!?!?!?!? Translation please? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:45:30 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The unbelievable "Joni i hate you and you're retarded" list Nuriel shared with us and then wrote: > I don't know what list it is, the google notes confused me, but it's the most > disgusting parallel universe to our beloved JMDL. It's like if WE had to meet > THEM - it would have been the third world war. I dunno. Might be interesting to invite them to Jonifest. ; ) One person does makes some interesting points with this post: > If Joni's music were still as vital as it was back-in-the-day, maybe this > diatribe wouldn't seem so ugly and childish to me. Maybe if she took some of > that vitriol and pent-up-energy and put it towards writing songs rather than > bitter rants her albums would be selling more. > Y'know, from what I understand, The Donnas are selling plenty of records > without showing their tits. Bjork's albums are selling and I can't recall the > last time I saw her grab her crotch. Ani DiFranco's albums are hellasellin', > oh she's got hair extensions, that must be why...NOT! And, uh, did Joni > totally miss the Norah Jones thing altogether? Or did Norah Jones show us her > its and I missed it? > The threat about "I'll never record again because I hate the industry" is one > of the most childish hilarious things I've ever seen...like a little kid > threatening to never eat ever again simply because he doesn't like the > meatloaf his mom cooked that night. Joni, please, GROW UP!!! > Did she totally miss out on the Lilith Fair or something? > -- nickalicious (nza2342...), November 26th, 2002. I still believe Joni's music is as vital as ever it was (and can I say I how much I dislike the phrase "back-in-the-day"? back in WHAT day?). But "nickalicious" may be right about what might result if Joni "took some of that vitriol and pent-up-energy and put it towards writing songs." Then again, perhaps Joni just doesn't feel like writing songs anymore and prefers to paint and play with her grandkids. I don't know how much The Donnas or Bjork are selling, but "nick" is right: Ani continues to sell her stuff like hotcakes on a frigid Sunday morning, AND Ani's stuff is definitely relevant. We do know, though, that Joni is quite aware of and appreciates the talents of Norah Jones. (Personally, I have yet to be blown away by Norah, but I'm always running behind the times when it comes to current music.) As for Lilith Fair, I'm still pissed that Laura Love wasn't included even after she asked to be. But enough of my thoughts -- yours?? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:48:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The unbelievable "Joni i hate you and you're retarted" list --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > LOL. > Sorry...you probably never got an e-mail (as in the > first e-mail of what may become a thread) that > starts with a LOL, but since i'm still laughing, i > just had to write it. LOL indeed. This is quite funny. Even when people diss Joni, it can be an education. Hey! at least they've heard of her! This sounds like it could have been written by a 12-year-old with its use of "gay" and "retarded" to describe something the writer doesn't like or agree with. Goodness knows, my kids keep using these words, no matter how many times I beat them and make them go without dinner for it ;-) (but with a sigh attached.) >>joni mitchell has been boring and old forever. she >>was probably boring and old in the '30s or whenever >>woodstock was. she should have just kept making gay >>jazz records with oil paintings on them and shut up >>about it. joni, if you're reading this, i hate you >>and you're retarded. On the other hand, I quite liked this: >>I don't like thinking about my nutty aunt grabbing >>her crotch. >>But do you think about your crotchety aunt grabbing >>your...well, never mind. - -- Ned Raggett (ne...), November 26th, 2002. This sounds like it could have been written by a few people right here on this list! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:51:42 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: (NJC) To ease the gas pains ... > Wow- here in N. Cal, everyone's been squealing 'cause gas went > up to $2.20/gal. Probably the highest in the nation, despite all the > refineries here. I heard that somewhere in the U.S. it's up to $3 a gal. As Colin pointed out, though, we still have nothing to complain about compared to what the U.K. and others are paying. Personally, I hope it hits $5 or $10 a gallon in the U.S. -- I'll gladly pay more to get Bush, et al, out of office, even if it makes his corporate cronies temporarily richer. Lori, a registered, happy-to-pay-taxes Democrat who VOTES ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:58:14 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: anti-war from the very begining ladies in gingham, wars & wine to me was a metaphor to how chuck was old fashioned... wooing the old fashioned girls with old fashioned songs... but joni in her leather & lace was more modern & heading somewhere else... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:06:39 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: almost famous njc >and the opening piano sequence from Elton John singing TINY DANCER, starts up. That song has such amazing resonance for me from a time when everything was possible, the world was a crustacean of my choosing, and there was so much simplicity in the everyday turning of the world.< i know what you mean lucy...this song & so many of elton's early songs bring back those simple, hopeful, days of my youth... they transport me right back to my early days of living in santa barbara & working in a little health food store & lunch counter where we'd play those songs as we cooked the soup or stocked the shelves & people would stop in for lunch... sometimes we'd pull out our guitars & play music live for the customers... jackson browne's saturate before using & joni's 'for the roses' were the other albums i remember playing there... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:21:25 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: njc so called democracy about counterpunch- i know someone who contributes to that website occassionaly & my understanding is it is just a bunch of opinions, its not paid journalism... they are the populationsso to speak, not any leaders mobilizing the population.... it seems to me that the word propaganda is what people use to dimiss opinions they disagree with... for instance i would describe most everything coming out of the white as propaganda... its purposely distorts & misleads to achieve its own objective... however the white house's propaganda has much more dire consequences... buck Subject: Re: (NJC) To ease the gas pains ... On 14 Apr 2004, at 1:34, Randy Remote wrote: > Wow- here in N. Cal, everyone's been squealing 'cause gas went > up to $2.20/gal. Probably the highest in the nation, despite all the > refineries here. Har-de-har, tee-hee, titter, etc. $2.20 is still cheap cheap cheap! Our gas is taxed right up to the hilt, so we're paying somewhere in the ballpark of $8 a gallon, give or take. Pop Quiz... where does that tax revenue *not* go? Hey ho... - --Chris Marshall (70 mile/day commute) chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:06:12 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Almost famous, but VERY wrong NJC??? Lucy wrote: > "Almost Famous" remains one of my very favourite films of all time. I think I > just love the whole feel of it. There is one scene that always leads me to > tears and it is when they are all travelling on the bus. The sun is going down > and they all seem (for once) to be peaceful and happy.... and the opening > piano sequence from Elton John singing TINY DANCER, starts up. That song has > such amazing resonance for me from a time when everything was possible, the > world was a crustacean of my choosing, and there was so much simplicity in the > everyday turning of the world. I also loved this movie - very well scripted and acted. But I can't listen to Tiny Dancer seriously any more, since hearing a great mondegreen: "Hold me closer, Tony Danza" I can't remember where I heard it - it was a TV comedy show, though. Has anyone else heard this? Hell - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #167 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)