From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #163 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, April 12 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 163 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: doon it again! [Em ] Re: The end or to be continued, last interview [Nuriel Tobias ] The end or to be continued? [Jerry Notaro ] That Post [Steven Blue ] Joni singing to soldiers [TinkersOwn@aol.com] Re: Joni singing to soldiers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Multiple Sclerosis walk - a plug (very NJC) ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: something odd/eerie N*JC..well limited JC but not enough prolly [Lori] (NJC) Tom Robbins ... [Lori Fye ] one big love njc [kate@katebennett.com] Re: something odd/eerie N*JC..well limited JC but not enough prolly [Em ] nudity njc [kate@katebennett.com] NJC RE: something odd/eerie N*JC..well limited JC but not enough prolly ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers [Lori Fye ] Re: NJC "Bush Doctrine" and Kay ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: money money money njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Tom Robbins ... [Lori Fye ] Re: money money money njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers [Em ] (NJC) To ease the gas pains ... [Lori Fye ] Re: (NJC) Tom Robbins ... ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: (NJC) Tom Robbins ... [Jerry Notaro ] Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers [Jerry Notaro ] Re: (NJC) Tom Robbins ... now: whatcha readin'? and the books we fling [S] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 04:56:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: doon it again! - --- Randy Remote wrote: > My vinyl copy of DJRD (a $5 cutout) is quite nice. But your best bet > is the HDCD remastered CD. I've got the earlier issue before the > HDCD, and it sounds great, too. Thanks Randy. I will see about finding a cd of DJRD. I noticed that my cd of LOTC is a HD remastered and it sounds good. Not only IS it good, but it sounds good too! Em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 05:08:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, last interview Randy Remote wrote: "What Joni said in her last interview with Timothy White in Billboard" Oh, do you mean she gave no interviews since then? Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 05:12:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: something odd/eerie NJC..well limited JC but not enough prolly OK I'm at my Mom's for Easter family gathering. I go to use Mom's bathroom. There on the countertop is the back of a business card with "Joni Mitchell Both Sides Now" written on it in my Mom's neat script. what the heck??????? I mean this last week was very Joni-intensive for me but this turning up in such an odd place totally blew my mind. I guess it shouldn't have.... Mom listens to community radio too, probably more than me these days, and turns out there was a song from that album (don't know which) she liked and so jotted the album name down. So actually it wasn't SOOOOOOOOOO odd, but the timing was weird what with all the Joni-ness of this last week, for me anyway. Just thought I'd share. :) Happy Monday all! Em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:16:52 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni as Dolores Hope A bit unfair, Randy. Joan has always been a moral, as well as musical, hero of mine, but she was the anti-war artist, not an anti-war artist. She wasn't the standard, but the exception. We have to remember that Joni was a foreigner here, and even native born American were being jailed for expressing their anti-war opinions (including myself in 1968.) I always considered The Fiddle and the Drum to be one of the greatest anti-war songs written, and as relative today as when Joni first recorded it. Jerry > Anti-war artist? Her 60's and 70's albums were conspicuously absent > of comment on the war, with very few exceptions. While Baez was > singing "Where Have All The Flowers Gone?" Joni was singing > about Morgan Town and The Midway. > RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:18:07 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: The end or to be continued? And Simon has said that is all, and what Simon sez......... Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 05:26:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Blue Subject: That Post Hello everyone To those whom I do not know I say hello, to the old timers I say, hey! Blew off some dust and decided to chime in again thanks to Ashara, and others. OK All here this one goes, please keep most of this close hold, it is meant between all of you and myself, sorry but I have old time values (in some respects)(LOL) This world will not have peace in our lifetime, of this I am convinced. I was asked before I left Albania what I thought, I answered with earnest as I told them, they were not ready to lay down arms and pursue peace. The dark 4;30 AM air remained quiet against the beautiful mountains............................. As I boarded the plane, I turned around and looked at the Police standing there...."You see" I said....................."Not one of you can say that what I see is not the truth,because it is, that is why none of you could answer.............." As I sat in 1st Class by myself, I saw the garbage they called food for the remainder of the class coach passengers.....I could smell eggs, sausage, a basket filled withnhot fresh rolls, butter and marmalade on the cart headed in my direction. As it approached, my eyes could not believe this early morning feast! I could smell as well the local "coal burning Stoves" on an elderly woman who staggered past me earlier. This world is simply not fair, so I walked back and took the elderly woman by the arm and walked her to my plush seat. I handed her my boarding pass, placed a pillow under her feet, and gave her my meal card. I could hear a woman crying, it was the stewardess. She assured me she would pray for world peace. I said nothing, pulled the curtain closed between 1st class and coach, and asked her to simply make the old woman comfortable. At least one (1) person in the Balkans troubled region was better off that day, how do I know that? Because I saw to it personally. I unfortunately cannot speak for the rest of Bosnia, Macedonia, or Albania because I did not personally see ANYONE do ANYTHING to ease the suffering of ANYONE. It is ashamed that the only thanks the old woman could give were tears, silent tears and a look of thanks. She was obviously too tired to even get up and say, Thanks but no thanks, I ate before I left my house! As the Tyrolia aircraft banked above the Balkan mountains, a man pointed to an area he told me held another "Mass Grave". I asked him if he had ever read Plato, he asked why, and I answered him, that in the words of Plato, "Only the Dead Have Seen the Last Of War" I laid my head against the seat and went to sleep. Sometime later a gentle hand touched my face, it was the Stewardess from 1st Class "we will be landing soon. I saw to it the woman, who wanted you to know her name is Nadia received the care and compassion she needed for 1st class. ....................But, in the end when the engines stopped and I saw the old lady exit the staircase to the ground transportation bus, as she smiled at the awaiting bus driver and waived to the stewardess at the top of the stairs, I could only see 1 persons life change, if even for 2;40 minutes of flight, that was it, just one....................... Steven A. Blue US State Department Office of Anti Terrorism Assistance 1155 University Drive Albuquerque, NM 87106 RES: Europe Steven A. Blue Grabenstr #24 23730 Neustadt, Germany (011)-49-4561714925 RES: US Steven A. Blue 2716 Louisiana Blvd NE Albuquerque, NM 87110 (505)-888-8168 CELL: (505)-259-8383 Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:14:40 EDT From: TinkersOwn@aol.com Subject: Joni singing to soldiers Bob wrote: >No, you're right on the money - Joni meant literally that >she performed and sang for soldiers, she said that she >felt led to do that to help them out. Hmmm...my recolection is that, rather than performing shows for soldiers a la Bob Hope, she was simply on the folkie club circuit, one of the clubs being near Ft. Bragg, others near other military bases. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:52:19 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni singing to soldiers From the lips of Siquomb herself: "I was in a different position than most of my friends in that I entertained soldiers in Fort Bragg, I played for the soldiers. So I was in contact with boys coming and going from the war and draft dodgers. So I had a kind of a unique perspective on it and sympathy." Edmonton, 08/05/94 Also, this neat bit of trivia: One regular gig was the army base at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, where, among other broadening experiences, she acquired the guitar she was to use onstage until it was stolen from an airport baggage carousel at Maui, Hawaii, in the late '70s. She bought it from a captain who would get drunk and tell her she was "better than Peter, Paul & Mary". (This would have been circa 1966) Bob NP: Stan Ridgway, "Right Through You" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:27:13 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Multiple Sclerosis walk - a plug (very NJC) This Saturday, I'll be participating in a Multiple Sclerosis fundraising walk, and I could really use your support! The link below will take you to my personal fundraising page, as well as to additional links describing the symptoms of this potentially debilitating disease - a moment spent educating yourself may save you or a loved one from a missed diagnosis, so I encourage you to look around. If you can't support the MS Society financially, please do take a moment this Saturday afternoon to think of the hundreds of people walking on behalf of the Birmingham-area MS Society. Your good wishes will be most appreciated. http://www.nationalmssociety.org/ALC/personal/default.asp If you have questions, just let me know.... Thanks - Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:26:00 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: WHAAAA????? NJC Lori sez: > Ken freaked out and wrote: > > > Did I just see Bob Dylan doing a Victoria's Secret commercial? (Rubbing my > > eyes in disbelief) > > Yeah, it's been on for at least a few weeks. I can't decide whether to be > disgusted or amused. > Elvis!! "I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused...." I fall into the "amused" camp, strangely enough. Hijacking my favorite songs to flog products has always been a serious Hot Button with me. bp, looking for his Red Shoes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:33:52 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: something odd/eerie N*JC..well limited JC but not enough prolly I'd say this qualifies as JC!! > OK I'm at my Mom's for Easter family gathering. I go to use Mom's > bathroom. There on the countertop is the back of a business card with > "Joni Mitchell Both Sides Now" written on it in my Mom's neat script. > what the heck??????? > I mean this last week was very Joni-intensive for me but this turning > up in such an odd place totally blew my mind. > I guess it shouldn't have.... Mom listens to community radio too, > probably more than me these days, and turns out there was a song from > that album (don't know which) she liked and so jotted the album name > down. > So actually it wasn't SOOOOOOOOOO odd, but the timing was weird what > with all the Joni-ness of this last week, for me anyway. > Just thought I'd share. > :) > Happy Monday all! Welcome to the world of Joni synchronicity, Em ... you'll find it happens a lot. I'm dying to know what song your mom likes so well! My guess: "Comes Love" but of course it could be anything! If she hasn't already run out to buy BSN, you could make her a very nice gift of it. If you really want to go the extra mile, get her the "hat box" special edition. You can often find it on eBay. Otoh, I just popped onto Amazon.com, and in another bit of synchronicity ... well, check out THIS pairing, Em: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000046S1H/qid=1081783730/sr=8-6/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i6_xgl15/002-4526979-2796859?v=glance&s=music&n=507846 !!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:42:22 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Tom Robbins ... ... I've decided, knows just about all of life's secrets. I'm currently reading Fierce Invalids Home From Hot Climates, and it's as witty and wise as everything else he's written. By the way, thanks to Buck for turning me on to Robbins WAY back in 1978 or so, with Even Cowgirls Get The Blues. So appropriate, given the book's goings-on in North Dakota, where we were (there, on those Paprika Plains) at the time. Anyone else into Tom? I think sometimes he's gotta be a fan of La Mitchell, too. It just makes sense to me. Lori, just mulling things over this morning between bouts of actual work ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:55:54 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: one big love njc jim> np: someone on the radio doing their own version of Emmylou's "One Big Love" and it strikes me as a good idea. I'm glad she's writing. (catching up on some digests)... jim i wonder if it was patty griffin who you heard singing this song... she is the one who wrote the song & who i have been raving about (along with others here) for some time... this song is on her 'flaming red' record (my least fav of her cds as its so produced)... patty is the best singer/songwriter out there today imo... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:57:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: something odd/eerie N*JC..well limited JC but not enough prolly > Otoh, I just popped onto Amazon.com, and in another bit of > synchronicity ... > well, check out THIS pairing, Em: > lol, I ain't believing it!!!!!!.....one for Mom..one for me! Can't get it right now cuz of the gf's new job thing. We will be in better shape shortly, but til the new job starts paying her (checks coming in) we will be doing belt tightening. But sheesh, maybe in a couple weeks! Looks great! Em ps I didn't mention it on here but the other day I went ahead and splurged and ordered 2 books, one is that early Brit folk music scene book (Jansch etc) someone had mentioned.. and then another music one "8 Miles High"..so that was my "splurging" for a while anyway.... ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:08:32 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: nudity njc steve d >It didn't seem to cause much of a stir, otherwise. Strange to say, but I think nudity was much more accepted in the media then than now. i agree, it was so different then... aside from the issue of the girl being only 15 which i hadn't known, i think nudity was not only more acceptable, it was much more healthy than it is now... back then, like with joni's inside cover, it was more artful, more innocent.. now nudity in the media (or suggested nudity) is about sex & power & commerce... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:17:18 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: NJC RE: something odd/eerie N*JC..well limited JC but not enough prolly Richie Unterberger's *Eight Miles High* and his previous book *Turn, Turn, Turn* are both really good, imo. His web site http://www.richieunterberger.com/ contains transcripts of interviews he did for the book including Sylvia Tyson, Bruce Langhorne, Iain Matthews, Tom PAxton, Robin Williamson, John Sebastian, and many others. Direct access here: http://www.richieunterberger.com/turntrans.html - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Em Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:58 AM To: Lori Fye; jonilist Subject: Re: something odd/eerie N*JC..well limited JC but not enough prolly > Otoh, I just popped onto Amazon.com, and in another bit of > synchronicity ... > well, check out THIS pairing, Em: > lol, I ain't believing it!!!!!!.....one for Mom..one for me! Can't get it right now cuz of the gf's new job thing. We will be in better shape shortly, but til the new job starts paying her (checks coming in) we will be doing belt tightening. But sheesh, maybe in a couple weeks! Looks great! Em ps I didn't mention it on here but the other day I went ahead and splurged and ordered 2 books, one is that early Brit folk music scene book (Jansch etc) someone had mentioned.. and then another music one "8 Miles High"..so that was my "splurging" for a while anyway.... ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:18:01 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: money money money njc >How is this legal? I had heard about this and thought I must have misunderstood it. I don't watch TV, so I had forgotten about it, I guess. i don't know... mainstream media & our gov't seem to be in bed together... >We are not a democracy; our form of government is capitalism! >Corporate policies seem to be forging the world's future.. The buck over lives.. there is a lot that has been written about the pathology of this kind of culture.. also that it is the very heart of fascism... some perceive fascism to look obvious & extreme... i challenge that perception to say the early stages are less obvious... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:32:58 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: For all the language lovers here (NJC) long! I meant to tell everyone about this web site a week or so ago, but I lost the URL last December when my computer died. Well, I found it again after a short search. Here it is: << http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/errors.html#errors >> And here, with my preposition proudly dangling, are some of the words it deals with: * AM/PM * abject * about * absorbtion * accede/exceed * accent marks * access * accessory * accept/except * accidently * acronyms and apostrophes * acrossed * actual fact/actually * ad/add * adapt/adopt * administer/minister * adultry * advance/advanced * adverse/averse * advice/advise * adviser/advisor * affect/effect * affluence/effluence * agreeance/agreement * ahold/hold * ain&rsquot * all * all goes well/augurs well * alliterate/illiterate * alls * allude/elude * allude/refer * allusion/illusion * almost * alot * already/all ready * alright * altar/alter * alterior * alternate/alternative * altogether/ all together * alumnus/alumni * amature * ambiguous/ambivalent * ambivalent/indifferent * American * amongst/among * amoral/immoral * amount/number * an historic * and also * anecdote/antidote * angel/angle * anxious/eager * 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Check this before writing. * Sean Igo&rdquo s &ldquoGarbage In, Garbage Out: Errors Caused by Over-Reliance on Spelling Checkers" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:49:17 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: money money money njc Gill wrote: >> Corporate policies seem to be forging the world's future.. The buck over >> lives.. Kate responded: > there is a lot that has been written about the pathology of this kind of > culture.. also that it is the very heart of fascism... some perceive > fascism to look obvious & extreme... i challenge that perception to say > the early stages are less obvious... I agree with both of you. I was thinking to myself yesterday while watching the talking heads of politics on Sunday morning TV, all babbling about creating a democracy in Iraq: "The U.S. isn't even a democracy! It's a republic. A capitalist republic." Isn't THAT what we're attempting to foist upon the Iraqis? 'Cause you know it ain't about their freedom, really ... it's about what kind of money can be made from the arrangement. Has anybody else here been watching "The Apprentice?" Have you noticed the removal of the lyric "I know money is the root of all evil" from the theme song, the O'Jays' "For The Love Of Money"? So typical, and so obvious. So disturbingly obvious. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:01:47 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers Mining through previous, unread posts, I found this from Nuriel: > Why is everybody so sure that her next album is just a matter of time? This > is what i don't understand. As for me - i'm sure she's had enough of it all, > and her last album is very much a closure. Joni said that "Travelogue" will be her last album. I believe her. I certainly don't assume there's going to be a "next" album, or that it's just a matter of time. I think Joni wants to spend the rest of her days enjoying the company of her daughter and her grandchildren and painting. She has always considered herself a painter first. We're lucky she felt the need to do more with her creative genius for the last 30+ years, and that we received the gift of her lyrics and music during that time. I would love for Joni to feel compelled to write and record again, but if she doesn't want to, I respect that. She's given the world PLENTY already, and as people continue to discover her music, we'll be able to discuss it and learn new things about it, ad infinitum. If people aren't aware of Joni's works, then it's for us, her fans, to pass along the magic to them. I think that's the best "thank you" we can give Joni, anyway. > And as for the "fingers" part of the subject - could someone please explain > to me how on earth can Joni paint so much, but claim she can't play? Perhaps Joni just doesn't have *it* in her to play anymore, except for perhaps herself and those closest to her. I'm thrilled that she wants to paint! Paint on, Joan. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:01:43 -0400 From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: one big love njc In a message dated 4/12/2004 11:55:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > patty is the best singer/songwriter out there today imo... I agree! Whizboom (Chris) generously forwarded me a copy of her unreleased "Silver Bell" which ended up being my favorite album of last year. A couple of those unreleased gems are featured on her new CD due out on the 20th. She has an uncanny talent for peeking in at life's most private moments in her songs. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:02:23 -0400 From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: one big love njc In a message dated 4/12/2004 11:55:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > patty is the best singer/songwriter out there today imo... I agree! Whizboom (Chris) generously forwarded me a copy of her unreleased "Silver Bell" which ended up being my favorite album of last year. A couple of those unreleased gems are featured on her new CD due out on the 20th. She has an uncanny talent for peeking in at life's most private moments in her songs. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:05:46 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: (NJC) Tom Robbins ... In the spirit of my book discussion group, in which radical disagreement is cheerfully encouraged, I'll say that "Even Cowgirls Get the Blues" is one of three books in my lifetime that I actually threw across the room in anger - I disliked it that much. After all these years, I can't defend my opinion at all, but I remember finding the actual prose unbearably pretentious and "look at me." I've always liked more unassuming prose. (The other books I threw across the room were "On the Road" by Kerouac and "The White Goddess" by Robert Graves). At 11:42 AM 4/12/2004 -0400, Lori wrote: >Anyone else into Tom? I think sometimes he's gotta be a fan of La Mitchell, >too. It just makes sense to me. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:11:19 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: NJC "Bush Doctrine" and Kay Debra wrote: > Norman Pennington wrote: > > > > What gets MY goat are > > the tangential arguments (e.g., "it's about oil"), the insults and purported > > ulterior motives (repeated accusations of "LIES! LIES!" and "he's doing it > > to enrich his friends"), the conspiracy theories (World Domination! > > PNAC!!), and finally the "we deserve it" argument...the most ludicrous of > > all. > > This last argument disturbs me, too (I'm agreeing with you, Buck; make > note of it :-). Noted and appreciated, Debra! I just finished writing a longish response to Kay...I want to respond to you, too, but as noted, I'm outta gas. Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:16:40 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: (NJC) Tom Robbins ... Lori sez: > I'm currently reading Fierce Invalids Home From Hot Climates, and it's as witty > and wise as everything else he's written. > The whole concept of having a romance with a nun is just SO over the top and typically Robbins! How far along are you? And yeah, TR owns The Secrets. Makes me wanna move to Seattle, almost. bp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:28:33 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: money money money njc <"I know money is the root of all evil" from the theme song, the O'Jays' "For The Love Of Money"?> While that is one my all-time favorite songs from one of my all-time fave albums (Ship Ahoy), Gamble & Huff borrowed the lyric from Proverbs. Boy Lori...yesterday you give us Paul's letter to the Corinthians, today we get Proverbs. For someone who is so anti-religion, you sure do quote the good book a lot. ;~) Bob NP: Stan Ridgway, "Nadine" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:37:43 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: (NJC) Tom Robbins ... Deb worte: > In the spirit of my book discussion group, in which radical disagreement is > cheerfully encouraged, I'll say that "Even Cowgirls Get the Blues" is one > of three books in my lifetime that I actually threw across the room in > anger - I disliked it that much. After all these years, I can't defend my > opinion at all, but I remember finding the actual prose unbearably > pretentious and "look at me." I've always liked more unassuming prose. Oh how funny! I have to admit that Robbins' books ARE very difficult to read. He uses more adjectives in one sentence than is probably legal, let alone generally acceptable. It's just that, when I do wade through his prose, I find that he *GETS* it -- life, that is. But yeah, he can come off as pretentious and a bit, "Hey, look at me and how brilliant I am!" Then again, he is (at least imo). As for "Cowgirls," I've read that book a number of times and I try to pass it on to friends when I can. Last time I did that, though, my friend DeMarias tried a few pages and soon returned it to me, saying, "I just can't get into it." I told her it might help if she had a few tokes first ... ; ) > (The other books I threw across the room were "On the Road" by Kerouac and > "The White Goddess" by Robert Graves). Sounds like a trip to the library for me, since I haven't read either of those. Lori, whose favorite book remains "A Confederacy Of Dunces" by the late John Kennedy Toole -- and do you know a movie is in the works, starring Will Farrell? Dunno about that. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:38:53 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: money money money njc I was wrong - it wasn't from Proverbs, it was also from Paul the Apostle (who was also a bit of a misogynistic homophobe and like most biblical heroes had a touch of serial killer in him), and of course his actual line was: "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil". Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:41:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Perhaps Joni just doesn't have *it* in her to play anymore, except > for perhaps > herself and those closest to her. I'm thrilled that she wants to > paint! Paint > on, Joan. Art is so weird. A glorious mind--ker. On another list, been mulling over the differences between "you don't choose art, it chooses you" and the thing which I've been saying all year to myself about art and about motorcycling "you own IT, it doesn't own you". And trying to decide which is true. Passion, do you own it? Or does it own you? And if you own "it" does that make it a lesser passion than the all consuming sort? Anyway, just some thoughts... Take it or leave it. One thing I see immediately on this list is I'm not one of the more intellectual ones! lol! to say the least. And I'm enjoying hearing from those who are perhaps one beer closer to a 6 pack. ;) Em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:43:03 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) To ease the gas pains ... To ease the gas pains ... Think a gallon of gas is expensive? This makes one think, and also puts things in perspective. Diet Snapple 16 oz $1.29 ......... $10.32 per gallon Lipton Ice Tea 16 oz $1.19 ..........$9.52 per gallon Gatorade 20 oz $1.59 .... $10.17 per gallon Ocean Spray 16 oz $1.25 ........ $10.00 per gallon Brake Fluid 12 oz $3.15 ......... $33.60 per gallon Vick's Nyquil 6 oz $8.35 ... $178.13 per gallon Pepto Bismol 4 oz $3.85 ....... $123.20 per gallon Whiteout 7 oz $1.39 ....... $25.42 per gallon Scope 1.5 oz $099 ........$84.48 per gallon And this is the REAL KICKER... Evian water 9 oz $1.49..........$21.19 per gallon?! $21.19 for WATER -- and the buyers don't even know the source. (By the way, Evian spelled backwards is Naive). So, the next time you're at the pump, be glad your car doesn't run on water, Scope, or Whiteout, or god forbid Pepto Bismol or Nyquil. Just a little humor to help ease the pain of your next trip to the pump. : ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:46:09 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: (NJC) Tom Robbins ... Deb writes: > In the spirit of my book discussion group, in which radical disagreement is > cheerfully encouraged, I'll say that "Even Cowgirls Get the Blues" is one > of three books in my lifetime that I actually threw across the room in > anger - I disliked it that much. After all these years, I can't defend my > opinion at all, but I remember finding the actual prose unbearably > pretentious and "look at me." I've always liked more unassuming prose. > > (The other books I threw across the room were "On the Road" by Kerouac and > "The White Goddess" by Robert Graves). Understood, Deb...and appreciated. TR can be horribly florid most of the time, but I simply LOVE the liberties he takes with the language and his highly descriptive narrative. The manner in which he sets the scene and his outrageous situations appeal to me. I love word play, and TR is one of the best at it. My love of TR is somewhat paradoxical, because I favor economy of expression and reject hyperbole in writing and screenplays. Go figure... I've never thrown a book across the room. I have, however, thrown LOTS of stuff at the TV... ;-) Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:46:49 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: (NJC) Tom Robbins ... > In the spirit of my book discussion group, in which radical disagreement is > cheerfully encouraged, I'll say that "Even Cowgirls Get the Blues" is one > of three books in my lifetime that I actually threw across the room in > anger - I disliked it that much. Well the movie-going public had the same reaction to the movie. Though the soundtrack had its moments. I did like his Jitterbug Perfume, though I'm not much into fiction any more. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:25 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers And we almost lost her before they came up with the VG-8. Though most of us were less than thrilled with the results. We did get to hear her perform that much longer. As Simon sez: That's all, folks! Jerry > Mining through previous, unread posts, I found this from Nuriel: > >> Why is everybody so sure that her next album is just a matter of time? This >> is what i don't understand. As for me - i'm sure she's had enough of it all, >> and her last album is very much a closure. > > Joni said that "Travelogue" will be her last album. I believe her. I > certainly > don't assume there's going to be a "next" album, or that it's just a matter of > time. I think Joni wants to spend the rest of her days enjoying the company > of > her daughter and her grandchildren and painting. She has always considered > herself a painter first. We're lucky she felt the need to do more with her > creative genius for the last 30+ years, and that we received the gift of her > lyrics and music during that time. > > I would love for Joni to feel compelled to write and record again, but if she > doesn't want to, I respect that. She's given the world PLENTY already, and as > people continue to discover her music, we'll be able to discuss it and learn > new things about it, ad infinitum. If people aren't aware of Joni's works, > then it's for us, her fans, to pass along the magic to them. I think that's > the best "thank you" we can give Joni, anyway. > >> And as for the "fingers" part of the subject - could someone please explain >> to me how on earth can Joni paint so much, but claim she can't play? > > Perhaps Joni just doesn't have *it* in her to play anymore, except for perhaps > herself and those closest to her. I'm thrilled that she wants to paint! > Paint > on, Joan. > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:52:55 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni as Dolores Hope Jerry Notaro wrote: > A bit unfair, Randy. Joan has always been a moral, as well as musical, hero > of mine, but she was the anti-war artist, not an anti-war artist. You lost me there > She wasn't > the standard, but the exception. We have to remember that Joni was a > foreigner here, and even native born American were being jailed for > expressing their anti-war opinions (including myself in 1968.) I don't know of any musicians being jailed for expressing themselves. Followed, harrassed, tapped, yes... > I always > considered The Fiddle and the Drum to be one of the greatest anti-war songs > written, and as relative today as when Joni first recorded it. I do too. It's the only anti-war song she did. Others, like Woodstock and California allude to things. She didn't get into broader social statements much until the 80's. She's not the only one. The Grateful Dead, another 60's-70's icon, , also avoided political content. Although they both played in support of important causes-so there is more than one way to skin a cat.... RR ps Pete Townsend once slammed Abbie Hoffman off the stage with his guitar for trying to make a political statement before The Who went on. > > > Jerry > > > Anti-war artist? Her 60's and 70's albums were conspicuously absent > > of comment on the war, with very few exceptions. While Baez was > > singing "Where Have All The Flowers Gone?" Joni was singing > > about Morgan Town and The Midway. > > RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:54:33 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Tom Robbins ... now: whatcha readin'? and the books we fling Deb writes: << I remember finding the actual prose unbearably pretentious and "look at me." I've always liked more unassuming prose. >> A big ME TOO for this, Deb. I did enjoy "Jitterbug Perfume" and maybe one other book of his whose title I can't remember, and I really tried to like him with each book I attempted to read but . . . zzzzzzzzzz. I think I pitched "Another Roadside Attraction" myself! Funny, but I was just talking to a friend on the phone a minute ago about how many great new novels there are out there lately. I just finished "Middlesex" by Jeffery Eugenides last week and I loved it. (It won last year's Pulitzer for best novel.) Last night I finished a short book called "The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-TIme" and wow! It's by a youngish British author named Mark Haddon and it is told from the point of view of an autistic 15-year-old. I loved it. And that reminds me of the book Chuck E brought to last summer's Incredible Lieve Reckers Book Swap at Joni Fest, "Motherless Brooklyn" by Jonathan Letham. Narrated by a character with Tourette syndrome, this book is one of my favorite reads of recent years. Other books I have been known to fling: anything by Edmund White of Ayn Rand. - --Smurf ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #163 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)