From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #161 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, April 11 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 161 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Jabbers NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: What is reality? PC NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC "Bush Doctrine" and Kay ["Kakki" ] Re: What is reality? PC NJC ["tantra_apso" ] The end or to be continued? [Nuriel Tobias ] A n N i E b I r T h D a Y ! ! ! -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Shikasta - Canopus in Argos - DORIS LESSING - NJC ["robin mortlock" ] Re: Things Bush has done, "for us." NJC ["anon anon" ] See this link! [Anon Anon ] njc need to talk to a painter [Em ] Re: njc need to talk to a painter [Em ] Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers [Nuriel Tobias ] Joni Singing To Soldiers [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: images of a sunny sunday & Tennessee Williams/imagery in THOSL and more! ["o" ] my little peter ["tantra-apso" ] re: NJC Bush Doctrine ["tantra-apso" ] re: For all the language lovers here (NJC) ["tantra_apso" ] re NJC One of the dumber things I ahve read ["tantra_apso" ] RE: For all the language lovers here (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: burn baby burn not, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: For all the language lovers here (NJC) ["tantra_apso" ] Re: What is reality? PC, NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: Crazed in a good way by NYC (NJC) [Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jabbers NJC Kate wrote: > Absolutely... It does not have to be nasty if people respond with > opinions & stay away from making nasty personal remarks & jabs, whether > subtle or overt... Like those who repeatedly call people who don't agree with them liars, Nazis, fascists, fundies, ignorant, righties and Bushies? > > I do expect to pull the plug here at some point as the election gets > closer. Reading too much of the gnashing and flaying becomes like a > poison to the system and is debilitating.< > > This type of comment only fuels the nastiness imo Letting the abusers and bullies know they are upsetting to you only emboldens them? True point. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:29:04 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC I wrote: > >"Leftists" are different - they often appear radical, shrill, angry and relentless > >"my way or the highway and I will keep beating on you until you submit, agree > >or shut up." Then they turn around and publically pride themselves on > > being tolerant and seeking peace and social justice. They do scare me at > > times. colin replied: > ....is hardly subtle and easily seen as a prejudiced attack against those > not of the right persuasion and it is hard to see it as anything but > offenisve. Colin - if I substitute "Xtian Fundies" for "leftists" in the statement would you consider that to be a prejudiced attack and offensive? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:08:47 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC "Bush Doctrine" and Kay Norman Pennington wrote: > What gets MY goat are > the tangential arguments (e.g., "it's about oil"), the insults and purported > ulterior motives (repeated accusations of "LIES! LIES!" and "he's doing it > to enrich his friends"), the conspiracy theories (World Domination! > PNAC!!), and finally the "we deserve it" argument...the most ludicrous of > all. "It's all about oil" is funny - isn't it actually Europe's and the Middle East's and Russia's oil? As it will be to an even greater extent if Iraq can become stabilized. The "lies" are the same "lies" we were told for 8 years by the UN and the Clinton administration. If there were consistent "lies" all around for 8 years then I think we have a have a bigger problem to address than just Bush. The conspiracy theories are really curious because they are the same that have been put forth traditionally in various incarnations by the far right libertarians for years and years. The PNAC alarm has been put forth by the libertarian Cato Institute and I saw another link here recently to an article written by one of Pat Buchanan's most ardent devotees. Are those on the left now adopting them to help recruit a new voting bloc? Is the left putting them out there as a set up just to see how others on the right react to them (will they come out and denounce some of their far right affiliates as kooks?) Or are they actually agreeing with some on the far fringe of the right? These are the people that Republicans have tried for years to hide in the farthest corner of their closet! LOL And Debra wrote the following eloquent opinion that I am happy to agree with 1000%: > I remember in the days just after 9/11 being overwhelmed by people's > rush to criticize the U.S. After a couple days of "how awful!", it's > like the floodgates opened and the criticism poured forth. Such > criticism could be taken as "let's learn from this horrible experience > so it doesn't happen again" and I was doing some of that myself because > lord knows the U.S. never gives anything without plenty of strings > attached, and it's easier to go right for the head-thoughts rather than > feel much, but, even rationally understanding all that, it was so awful > and relentless that I just tuned out for a few months. > > There are still comments tossed off about the karma of the U.S. and how > that attack was something we had earned. It makes me angry that people, > usually people far away from NYC, can so blithely comment on what > happened here. (It's also made me realize I don't believe in karma and > now see it as just another religious construct designed to explain what > we cannot understand; it's arrogant and cruel to use it as an > explanation for the horror here.) > > There is nothing, NOTHING, the U.S. has ever done that justifies people > slamming human-filled missiles into 100,000 civilians. Nothing! Perfectly said. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:23:14 +0100 From: "tantra_apso" Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ leftists, as you call them, cover a whole host of ideas, some of which are rigid, some of which are not. if you prefer to think of leftists as you described them, fine. It doe smake it easier for you. Balck/white thinking requires little thinking. Xtian Fundies on the other hand, have a rigid ideology which is injurious to others. I have not described them as you did leftists:> >"Leftists" are different - they often appear radical, shrill, angry and relentless > >"my way or the highway and I will keep beating on you until you submit, agree > >or shut up." Then they turn around and publically pride themselves on > > being tolerant and seeking peace and social justice. They do scare me at > > times. but it is no sceret I think the Xtian Fundy ideology is evil. I have said so many times. Congratualtions on yet again avoiding the issue. > Colin - if I substitute "Xtian Fundies" for "leftists" in the statement > would you consider that to be a prejudiced attack and offensive? > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 04:54:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: The end or to be continued? From reading lots of e-mails here, i get the feeling that most of us (but not myself) - do believe that Joni will release a new album. I need to know - is this based on something she said or on your high hopes? So, if you believe that she will - please explain. And if you think (or know) that she won't - i wanna know your feelings towards it. Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:13:41 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: A n N i E b I r T h D a Y ! ! ! -- NJC There's no Joni content in this post, but it is loaded with love and good wishes for a JMDL favorite -- Anne Sandstrom! It's finally supposed to be warm and sunny here in the Boston area, so this beautiful day is dedicated to you, Anne! Happy birthday! XO, - --Smurf, the garden-variety birthday gnome ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:33:03 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: Shikasta - Canopus in Argos - DORIS LESSING - NJC Greetings, I have just finished Doris Lessing's 'Shikasta'. Is anyone familiar with this book. It is in a 4 novel series of her only 'space fiction' work under the title Canpus in Argos - Archives - and is truly beautiful and inspiring. The gist being Shikasta (EARTH) is a colony of Canopus, a benevolent planet that in the very beginning of evolution tried to maintain a creative, loving contact with Shikasta, mainly in the form of cities where carefully placed stones maintained this frequency. The evil planet Shammat however had other ideas and intervened causing the demise of good feeling by introducing and feeding off destructive vibrations. If anyone knows her heavy, intricate style of writing they will know not to expect any old science fiction fable. The other 3 novels in this series i have not read and would love to hear from any other Lessing/Canopus in Argos fans from this list. As far as i am concerned there are two great forces in art - Joni in music and Doris in literature. Incidentally "The MArriages of Zones 2,3 and 4" (something like that) another in the novel sequence was turned into an opera - the author writing the libretto and Philip Glass doing the music - has anyone experience of that. starrily yours Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:42:24 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: W, njc bp wrote: There are a very large number of people who support Bush and his approach to dealing with terrorism just as passionately as the liberals who oppose him. Hi Ya'll, I was driving down the street the other day and saw some Bush monuments in these people's yards... a big W carved out of an American flag and made into a yard sign. At first I thought, clever, then I thought OMG... that's the FLAG, all cut up! The imagery of it was just too revealing... Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:43:34 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Synchronicity, Karrin Allyson (SJC) Synchronicity: On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 (and read by me Sat., 10 Apr 2004, on the Digest), BRYAN8847@aol.com (Bryan) wrote, on More cover news: Sorry if this is repeat news, but it's interesting to me that this is the second CD this year (I know of) featuring covers of TWO Joni songs, the other being Rebecca Luker's (which I find to be antiseptic and dull). Karrin Allyson also recorded Blue Motel Room recently. Karrin Allyson's next CD, "Wild For You," is a salute to singer-songwriters. The disc, due in June, features tunes written by and/or associated with Joni Mitchell ("Help Me" and "All I Want"), Roberta Flack ("The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" and "Feel Like Makin' Love"), Bonnie Raitt (the title track), James Taylor, Cat Stevens, Melissa Manchester and Elton John, among others. Bryan Comment: As far as I know, I had never heard of Karrin Allyson before Friday. At the newspaper where I work, while inputting events for our entertainment calendar, one notice I came to was from Wilmington, Delaware's, The Grand Opera House, where a concert by Karrin and a gentleman (whose name is also unfamiliar and I don't recall now) is coming up. I just went to TGOH's Web site, and that concert hasn't been posted to it, so, I can't name either the date or the other artist on the bill. He is a record producer as well as a performing musician, and the genres they represent between them are blues, jazz and rhythm-and-blues, according to the release from TGOH. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms and more! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/workshop/welcome.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:52:03 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Mosquetos, NJC bp wrote: For Gawd's SAKE!!! Those Marines were TAKING FIRE from those two mosques, so the Marines destroyed the buildings where the fire was coming from! The enemy used a mosque as a fire position, it was destroyed....Who's freaking fault is THAT? You guys need to get a grip... Hi Buck, We fell for the bait. FELL for the bait. Stink bait like we use here in Arkansas to catch sucker fish... I have to wonder why the marines didn't swim away? Maybe the big fish told them not to. Whose fault is that? I think it would have been better to take the slip, not be caught in the grip. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:10:54 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Things Bush has done, "for us." NJC bp wrote: e. Eliminated S. Hussein as a threat f. Initiated action to introduce democracy in Iraq Hi Buck, The ends don't justify the means, i.e., pre-emptive strike. The repercussion of these means world-wide, including within our country, tip the scales to the not really for us side in my opinion... the precedent this war has set is a scar that will remain long after the wounds heal. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:26:41 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: Another Mer Girl NJC I'm not as dismissive of Madonna as I was at one time. I don't think I could manage a whole album but she has made some great songs that even if a bit manufactured, stand up very well like..."Oh Father", "Something To Remember", "Bad Girl", "Take A bow", "One More Chance" (is it me or was she trying to do a Joni?) "Drowned World...", "Don't Tell Me"...and I thought "American Life" was pretty brave too! NP: River * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: "Nuriel Tobias" ; Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 4:47 AM Subject: Re: Another Mer Girl > Nuriel Tobias wrote: > > > under the subject of Joni unincluded in the RS 50 list, something about Madonna being in it. I'll start by saying that i do agree that Joni is a must be in any greatest artist list. But what, on earth, is so wrong with Madonna? > > Nothing's wrong with Madonna, and if the list was the 50 greatest > geniuses of self-promotion, then she should definitely be on it. When > Madonna first hit MTV with "Like A Virgin" I was telling people she > was good and she was going to make an impact. My peers were into > The Grateful Dead and Bob Marley, so you can imagine the looks I > got. I like alot of her stuff, the Ray of Light album, the big band stuff > on Dick Tracy is cool, lots of great hits...but she is this incredible > organizer, getting the best record producers, songwriters, ad > execs, etc. The end result is often excellent, but it is manufactured > somewhat in the Monkees/Spice Girl sense, and I am fine with > that, but I would not put her in the top 50 who have rocked. The > top 500 for sure, but not ahead of Tori Amos, The Youngbloods, > Rascals, Janis Ian, Country Joe and the Fish, Sons of Champlin, > Fiona Apple, Pink Floyd, X, The Dead, The Pretenders, Zappa, etc. > Certainly not ahead of Joni. > RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:11:45 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: Things Bush has done, "for us." NJC >From: LCStanley7@aol.com >Reply-To: LCStanley7@aol.com >To: buckpennington@yucca.net >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Things Bush has done, "for us." NJC >Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:10:54 EDT > >bp wrote: >e. Eliminated S. Hussein as a threat now we have alot of other threats...and we did not have the authority to do what we did.plus that was not that real reason for the war.Pol Pot,Idi Amin,Stalin...were just as destrcutive as Saddam. >f. Initiated action to introduce democracy in Iraq What democracy?what we have now is a huge mess that is going to get worse. and again,it is not our place to introduce anything to a foreign country. >Hi Buck, > > The ends don't justify the means, i.e., pre-emptive strike. The >repercussion of these means world-wide, including within our country, tip >the scales >to the not really for us side in my opinion... the precedent this war has >set >is a scar that will remain long after the wounds heal. > >Love, >Laura _________________________________________________________________ Tax headache? 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Also, I know my sentences and writing are sloppy, but I'm just letting it come out in a conversational way, not trying to particularly write well or even correctly. Hope thats ok. Hope you're all having a GLORIOUS springtime Saturday. :) Em np: 60's show on Community Radio WMNF, the Best Little Radio Station on Planet Earth 88.5 FM in Tampa Bay, allllllll the way down on the LEFT hand side of your radio dial! ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:00:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc need to talk to a painter btw I would envision these more as "off-list" conversations... lol don't worry wasn't gonna spew it on list. ;) thx Em - --- Em wrote: > Was wondering who all on here is a painter? or other visual artist? > Am > seriously needing a chat with someone, need an art shrink actually > ...wish I had my own "art-Melfi", but alas, thats not to be. I have > "issues". Not necc. "tech" issues but "approach" issues. And attitude > probs. Am just getting back into this after a many-year lapse and I'm > trying not to think too much, but maybe thats important? If anyone > wishes, perchance, to chat about art and its processes...I would > really > welcome that. > Otherwise guess I'm gonna hit wetcanvas.com boards. > Also, I know my sentences and writing are sloppy, but I'm just > letting > it come out in a conversational way, not trying to particularly write > well or even correctly. > Hope thats ok. > Hope you're all having a GLORIOUS springtime Saturday. > :) > Em > np: 60's show on Community Radio WMNF, the Best Little Radio Station > on > Planet Earth 88.5 FM in Tampa Bay, allllllll the way down on the LEFT > hand side of your radio dial! > > ===== > "A minotaur gets very sore" > ....ISB '68 > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:41:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: The end or to be continued, Joni's fingers I'm sitting here with my mouth shaped like a fish breathing, doing my best to laugh extremely loud, but the voice won't come out. What is wrong with me, Steven? :) Art shmart - thank's a lot, dear Joni, we all love your paintings. Will she release another album, for Klein's sakes? And mind you, lots of great minds through history, had this quiting "mania", some of them are Joni's idols. Didn't she say it herslef? Why is everybody so sure that her next album is just a matter of time? This is what i don't understand. As for me - i'm sure she's had enough of it all, and her last album is very much a closure. Wait a few years from now, my dear, and you'll need a fresh breath of laughing gas from a blaoon when you think of her. And as for the "fingers" part of the subject - could someone please explain to me how on earth can Joni paint so much, but claim she can't play? Does she have a spare set of fingers? Love, Nuriel Steven Blue wrote: Laughing extremely loudly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like all of us Nuriel, Joni will officially quit when the art is torn from her cold dead hands........................... Now does that answer your question? (Still laughing) Peace, Steve Nuriel Tobias wrote: From reading lots of e-mails here, i get the feeling that most of us (but not myself) - do believe that Joni will release a new album. I need to know - is this based on something she said or on your high hopes? So, if you believe that she will - please explain. And if you think (or know) that she won't - i wanna know your feelings towards it. Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th Steven A. Blue US State Department Office of Anti Terrorism Assistance 1155 University Drive Albuquerque, NM 87106 RES: Europe Steven A. Blue Grabenstr #24 23730 Neustadt, Germany (011)-49-4561714925 RES: US Steven A. Blue 2716 Louisiana Blvd NE Albuquerque, NM 87110 (505)-888-8168 CELL: (505)-259-8383 Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:43:34 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC colin wrote: > leftists, as you call them, I was replying to others who brought up the term "leftists." >cover a whole host of ideas, some of which are > rigid, some of which are not. I know that and I wasn't talking about their various ideas but how some of them appear to put them forth in a rigid, angry and sometimes bullying manner. > if you prefer to think of leftists as you described them, fine. It doe smake it easier for you. When they go on the attack it makes it far less easier for me to understand them. When some people from the "right wing" or Christian groups put forth their ideas in the same manner I am equally turned off. >Balck/white thinking requires little thinking. I agree. > Xtian Fundies on the other hand, have a rigid ideology which is injurious to > others. I have not described them as you did leftists. In my mind, any group that has a rigid idealogy or rigid adherence to their beliefs, without any consideration that others may believe differently, and who work actively to impose or inflict their way of thinking on others is potentially injurious. > but it is no sceret I think the Xtian Fundy ideology is evil. I have said so > many times. I know and I don't think I have ever said that I am "astonished" that you could be so "prejudiced" when you express that belief. > Congratualtions on yet again avoiding the issue. What is the issue? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:01:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Joni Singing To Soldiers From the spoken words of Joni in the Come In From The Cold set of videos, i understand that she's been singing to soldiers "going to the war, and coming back from the war". Could someone please shed some light on those shows for the army she's given? Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:10:08 +0100 From: "o" Subject: Re: images of a sunny sunday & Tennessee Williams/imagery in THOSL and more! I agree - in fact deconstructing 'Don't Interrupt the Sorrow' in school was what really got me started on analysing poems/lyrics etc. o ----- Original Message ----- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com To: owen.duff@ntlworld.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:59 AM Subject: Re: images of a sunny sunday & Tennessee Williams/imagery in THOSL and more! Glad to see your mail back in my inbox, Owen. Keep 'em coming. I love all the fish imagery, I guess I never made that connection. There is so much context and subcontext on that record, it could be a college course all by itself. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:15:18 +0100 From: "tantra_apso" Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ > > What is the issue? Kakki you are an intelligent woman. You know what i was referring to. I'll leave it at that. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:23:09 +0100 From: "tantra-apso" Subject: my little peter anyone interested in seeing a picture of my little peter, the latest addition, email and i'll send it. bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:24:20 +0100 From: "tantra-apso" Subject: re: NJC Bush Doctrine I reckon the lesbians and str8 guys are just rrying to take this list over. Honestly, all these headings-Bush this , Bush that. i have spent 45 years avoiding bush and now I can't get away from it...... bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:25:12 +0100 From: "tantra_apso" Subject: re: For all the language lovers here (NJC) Maybe I don't remember grammar as well as I should. Why would one put an apostrophe in Two Weeks Notice? quote-After all, Ms. Truss is a self-appointed grammar fiend whose book-jacket photograph shows her defacing a poster for the film "Two Weeks Notice" to avenge its lack of an apostrophe. -end quote bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:25:50 +0100 From: "tantra_apso" Subject: re NJC Bush Doctine PC I wasn't serious-at elast not totally but it makes every bit as much sense as labelling other countries as threats, or demanding they don't have WMD'S. What about france? israel? India? Pakistan? GB? Are we next in line? What exactly is there to stop the USA deciding any of these countries pose a threat and are part of the 'axis of evil'? We already know that they will act on their own, regardless. bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:27:23 +0100 From: "tantra_apso" Subject: re NJC One of the dumber things I ahve read I think it ridiculous the arguments put forward for not providing the morning after pill-we have the same arguments here. However, I wish I could agree with the rest of your post. It is an unfortunate fact that the rates of HIV and other STD infections is on the rise amongst young str8 people, at elast here in the UK, and has been for a long time.partly, with HIV, becaus eof the homophobic way it was first dealt with. it is STILL seen as something affecting gay men only. Young, and not so young, str8 people still have frequent unportected sex. A way needs to be found to deal with that. But to deny the morning after pill is stupid for the reasons you said. bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:27:59 +0100 From: "tantra-apso" Subject: re : another Mer girl njc am not a particular fan of Madonna. i have enjoyed some of her singles and love the Ray of Light album. However, i do recognize her as a woman of great talent and satying power. I think many people diss her out of snobbery. she is pop, and has used sexulaity to sell herself. But what she had to sell was real and solid. Like as prayer immediately comes to mind as an excellent piece of art. bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:20:34 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: For all the language lovers here (NJC) colin, the expression "two weeks" functions as a modifier of "notice". english modifiers are seldom plural. (in fact, they should never be plural but there are some exceptions.) in order to use the plural "weeks" and not break the "only-singular modifier" rule, you write the apostrophe. another way to solve this problem is to use a hyphen: two weeks' notice = two-week notice i haven't seen your little peter yet, but i'm sure it must be very pretty. wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > tantra_apso > Enviado el: Sabado, 10 de Abril de 2004 05:25 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: re: For all the language lovers here (NJC) > > > Maybe I don't remember grammar as well as I should. > > Why would one put an apostrophe in Two Weeks Notice? > > > quote-After all, Ms. Truss is a self-appointed grammar fiend whose > book-jacket photograph shows her defacing a poster for the film "Two > Weeks Notice" to avenge its lack of an apostrophe. -end quote > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:22:48 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] A n N i E B i R t H d A Y ! ! ! njc happy birthday to you, anne and twin sister!!!!!!! tons of love, wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: murphycopy@aol.com [mailto:murphycopy@aol.com] > Enviado el: Sabado, 10 de Abril de 2004 01:53 p.m. > Para: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com > Asunto: [NortheastJonifest] A n N i E B i R t H d A Y ! ! ! > > > There's no Joni content in this post, but it is loaded with love and good > wishes for a JMDL favorite -- Anne Sandstrom! It's finally > supposed to be warm > and sunny here in the Boston area, so this beautiful day is > dedicated to you, > Anne! > > Happy birthday! > > XO, > > --Smurf, the garden-variety birthday gnome > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9rHolB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NortheastJonifest/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:01:41 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: re: karma and the ferry njc Marian said >>The Fast Ferry is called "The Breeze." Somebody at work today called it "the Bruise."<< FYI - The Holyhead to Dun Laoghaire / Dun Leary / Kingstown Fast Ferry is known locally (in Holyhead) as the 'Vomit Comet'. Just thought you should know. mike in barcelona npimh - June Tabor - The Plains of Waterloo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:22:48 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: burn baby burn not, NJC Bob wrote: > > In my thinking, those who call themselves followers of Christ should be > > outraged by the way our government is behaving, but instead the opposite > > is true. This more than anything is what's fueling my frustration with > > religion today. > Lori wrote: >Rest assured, Bob, that if there is a hell, when it's time for judgment >these people's souls (if indeed they have such) will be roasting there. Bree wrote: I guess I should start preparing then. I wonder if it is real.. real hot?!! Hi Bree! So, you are pleased with the war? It will really suprise me if you are! If you're gonna burn, there's no hope for the rest of us! I love you, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:17:02 +0100 From: "tantra_apso" Subject: Re: For all the language lovers here (NJC) bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Kairuz" > colin, > the expression "two weeks" functions as a modifier of "notice". english > modifiers are seldom plural. I am sorry I asked! That was as clear as mud. I'll stick to my limited English. Thank you!" > > i haven't seen your little peter yet, but i'm sure it must be very pretty. Well no one has seen him. he is gorgeous. pic on the way. > > wally > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > > tantra_apso > > Enviado el: Sabado, 10 de Abril de 2004 05:25 p.m. > > Para: joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: re: For all the language lovers here (NJC) > > > > > > Maybe I don't remember grammar as well as I should. > > > > Why would one put an apostrophe in Two Weeks Notice? > > > > > > quote-After all, Ms. Truss is a self-appointed grammar fiend whose > > book-jacket photograph shows her defacing a poster for the film "Two > > Weeks Notice" to avenge its lack of an apostrophe. -end quote > > bw > > colin > > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ > > bw > > colin > > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:59:26 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC colin wrote: > Kakki you are an intelligent woman. You know what i was referring to. > > I'll leave it at that. Not sure that I do - that's why I asked. I do try (but mostly unsuccessfully) to avoid traps. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:36:07 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: What is reality? PC, NJC So as not to avoid another issue - Mary wrote: > Yes, as well as we have to comment on it. My problem with Kakki's statement > is that it implies that what makes leftists different from rightists, is > that they appear shrill, angry, and relentless. Have we never observed a > rightist who was shrill, angry, and relentless? Please!" No way does my statement imply that to me! In fact, I have observed the "rightists" historically in the past to be the ones acting more shrill and angry in political matters! > Me now, in response to Jerry: that would be my take on it. We've all known people from a variety of political stripes who exhibit those traits, which certainly aren't limited to the left: Totally true! >witness Ann Coulter exploiting them all the way to the bank (and yes, I am well aware that there are those on the left doing exactly the same thing). Ann is definitely a bombardier for the right and a media personality making money off her schtick. > To say that only one side claims "my way or the highway" seems to ignore not only reality, but human nature. I also think that it's human nature to magnify our perception of that >tendency in those who don't agree with us. What gets to me is when the personal attacks just escalate out of control, where those saying "my way or the highway" will keep shredding and attacking someone who disagrees with increasingly low blows on every level until they are silenced. Especially those who do this and then say how loving and wonderful and superiorly humane they are. That's one thing Ann Coulter doesn't do - she's honestly abrasive and relentlessly confrontational and does not then turn around and say she's just a sweet little teddy bear who wants to love everyone. I do perceive this from some on the left and it does throw me for a loop. Ranters on the right who mix politics with a sense of religious self-righteouness also make me want to run for the hills. There are pockets of hysteria coming from both the left and right these days. Both sides spend their time whipping themselves into a frenzy imagining worst case sceanarios which may be brought on by the other. They sometimes do it to the point of where they forget they are being hysterical and speculative and then they start believing their fears of what could happen are truth and reality. I admit to sometimes having an affinity for some of the right wing hysteria but everyone on both sides are ultimately better served by keeping their feet on the ground a bit. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:21:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Crazed in a good way by NYC (NJC) --- dsk wrote: > I love New York City! It's irrational, really > irrational, like a love > affair with all sorts of obvious problems but > there's no way to not be > involved in it. > - You know what a "regular" coffee is. > So, what is a "regular" coffee in NYC? In Toronto, it means coffee with cream and sugar, but I understand in some places, it means black coffee. These things are never as simple as they seem! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:27:24 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re:Bill Gates giving money away << Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 6:49 PM Subject: Fwd: FW: PLEEEEEEASE READ!!!! it was on the news! >> People: I can't believe anyone still believes this garbage about Bill Gates giving money away for trying a beta version or something, etc., etc. This thing has been in my mail box in various forms for over a year now; if it was true, Gates would have run out of his billions by now. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:32:59 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re:Bang the Drum In a message dated 4/10/04 3:04:10 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: a weird Joni dream.... with todd rundgren synchronicity whoa, toddness everywhere... "I Don't Want To Work, >Just Want To Bang On The Drum All Day" ". which was written by todd! i have a funny story about that song. todd always mocks it in concerts, because after writing so many great smart songs, that one is his biggest hit and it's just a stupid song. (well 'hello, it's me' 'i saw the light' and 'can we still be friends' were pretty big hits) when he does it in concert he invites people up on stage and they bang shit around. well he was on one of those ringo starr all-stars tours, and when he had his moment and they were doing that song, out of the wings comes joe walsh with bunny ears and a giant drum with 'everready' on it. brought down the house! patrick, who has really loved todd rundgren's music for a long long time. >> Hey, Patrick, Good to hear from another Todd (and Joni) fan. In his latest shows, Todd usually does the "Bang the Drum" to his schtick about living in Hawaii now and learning a famous war chant which, of course, is... "Bang the Drum", sung while playing on a uke! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:39:53 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Thanks for "Over The Moon", njc Open Letter to Kate Bennett - ----------- Hi Kate, I've just survived the most stressful week at work we've had in more than 3 years. When I got home yesterday, I pulled out your disc. It was the best stress-breaker I could imagine. Your sunny songs, full of positive images, were exactly what I needed. Thanks, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:16:49 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: Thanks for "Over The Moon", njc jim i am so sorry to hear your week was so tough... but i am so touched the music helped... as you may know much of it was written in the midst of my own very stressful time & so the music was my saving grace... maybe that is what you are feeling... thanks for letting me know as it means the world to me to hear this... Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Open Letter to Kate Bennett > ----------- > Hi Kate, > > I've just survived the most stressful week at work we've had in more than > 3 > years. When I got home yesterday, I pulled out your disc. It was the > best > stress-breaker I could imagine. Your sunny songs, full of positive > images, > were exactly what I needed. > > Thanks, > Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:50:02 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: love njc bob> Jesus (the "Christ" in Christian if I'm not mistaken) CLEARLY states in his sermon on the mount (Matthew 5-6) that we are to love our enemies, and pray for those who persecute us, and if someone strikes you on one cheek, to offer them the other. Maybe it's naive to think that could/would ever happen, but it IS what the dude said.< i'm way behind on digests but its early easter morning so a reply to this post seems the most appropriate... i don't think it is at all naive to think this could happen & indeed it has happened... we have not only jesus, but others who have taught these things & who have lived what they taught... ghandi is the most obvious, martin luther king is another... it is too bad this philosophy is considered naive to some people...to me it is the only rational option for life on earth... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 02:34:49 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 11 On April 11 the following articles were published: 1998: "Little Green a Little Blue" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=109 2000: "If I Can Make It There..." - KINK102FM.com (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=501 2000: "Joni and the Wail" - Entertainment Weekly Online (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=701 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #161 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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