From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #159 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 9 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 159 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Original Magdalene Laundry song njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Bush and the Bible, njc [Lori Fye ] Re: Bush and the Bible, njc [dsk ] Re: NJC "Bush Doctrine" and Kay ["Kay Ashley" ] Re: Joni Lecture in Cambridge, MA -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Bush and the Bible, njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Lecture in Cambridge, MA -- NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Bush and the Bible, njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Bush and the Bible, njc, now the worst puns ever [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC "Bush Doctrine" [dsk ] Re: Joni Lecture in Cambridge, MA [Smurfycopy@aol.com] For all the language lovers here (NJC) [dsk ] Re: Joni Lecture in Cambridge, MA [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: doon it again! [] Re: NJC "Bush Doctrine" [Lori Fye ] Stringman (NJC) [Bruce Kimerer ] hey Lori!!!!!! no meaty or important JC NJC [Em ] Really Important Favor Requested for tonight! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Joni concert Tuesday, 4/27/04 [KumiKat@aol.com] Re: doon it again! [Em ] Re: NJC "Bush Doctrine" -- PC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: hey Lori!!!!!! no meaty or important JC NJC [Lori Fye ] Re: NJC "Bush Doctrine" -- PC ["tantra_apso" ] Re: For all the language lovers here (NJC) ["tantra_apso" ] FW: Fwd: Fw: Fw: FW: PLEEEEEEASE READ!!!! it was on the news! ["anon anon] Re: PLEEEEEEASE READ!!!! (Internet Hoax) NJC [Lori Fye ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:47:42 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Original Magdalene Laundry song njc From what I can tell, Mary's version seems to be the definitive one. I've not heard the song but would certainly like to. It's been recorded by quite a few artists, mostly Celtic. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:51:47 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Bush and the Bible, njc Bob wrote: > Well, Lori may believe in Hell To set the record straight (is that possible for me to do?), let me say that the only Hell I really believe in is our delightful friend who lives in New Zealand! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:23:47 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Bush and the Bible, njc SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > In my thinking, those who call themselves followers of Christ should be > outraged by the way our government is behaving, but instead the opposite is true. > This more than anything is what's fueling my frustration with religion today. I don't understand that either, except to think that some churchgoers' desire for the simple, right/wrong, black/white, no grey, no confusion, clear-cut world of Bush trumps hearing the challenging words of Christ. Another thing that confuses me about conservatives is their hatred of Clinton because "he lied!", and yet they do not dispute or even wonder about all the lies from the Bushies, lies that are resulting in people dying. Debra Shea P.S. Bob, I just heard the Hallelujah Chorus on tv, and thought it was a news report about a church service (but wait, it's somber Good Friday!) so I turned around and saw that it was an ad for tourism in Key West. The music made me think of you since it's your favorite, yes? Good thing, because there's no avoiding it... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:37:24 -0400 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Re: NJC "Bush Doctrine" and Kay Debra Shea wrote: Those other arguments you mention, Buck, are because invading Iraq makes NO sense to most people. Going after bin Laden and al Qaeda is logical and, put simply, I had no problem with that, but Iraq? To paraphrase Richard Clarke, it's like the U.S. invading Mexico after Pearl Harbor. Why??? The war against Iraq makes so little sense, and there were plenty of lies (yes, LIES!) given to get us there, that surely there's some explanation other than the ones given by the Bushies. What you call tangential arguments are an attempt to find the truth. Those arguments are not going to go away. Right on, Debra!! Peace, Kay (In a rare moment of non-verbosity.) ;-) _____________________________________________________________ The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose, nor disclose all or any part of its content to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:37:54 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Lecture in Cambridge, MA -- NJC Bob writes: << THURSDAY MORNING LECTURE SERIES - April 22, 10:30 a.m., Cambridge Center for Adult Education, 56 Brattle St., Harvard Square. Joni Mitchell: "Refuge in the Crossroads with Keith Hampton." >> Thanks, Bob! I may check this out if it's possible. Funny it's scheduled for 10:30 in the morning . . . that's hours before Joni herself would be awake. And isn't the 22nd Earth Day? Plus Big Walt's birthday? Paaaahhhhhhty, as we say here in Massachusetts. Besides the usual suspects, are any lurkers interested in going? And speaking of Ashara and Maggie -- or as my AOL spellcheck calls them, "Sahara" and "Magi" -- we got together last weekend for a Bobby McFerrin gig at Symphony Hall. "Don't Worry, Be Happy" makes me want to happily throw myself off a bridge without worrying, but McFerrin in concert was lots of fun. We all enjoyed him. Easy on the ear and eye! Tonight I am being taken to a Leo Kottke concert at Harvard by a friend whose ultra-religious wife recoiled in horror when he surprised her with the tickets -- for a Good Friday performance! Woo-hoo! Rockin' Good Friday! Have a great weekend, J'listahs! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:39:44 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bush and the Bible, njc It just makes me think that they are an easily manipulated bunch, which is why associating with them has made me more and more uneasy. Although I will add that I attended a service of Communion and Tenebrae last night that I found very powerful and moving. I s'pose not, and of course The Hallelujah Chorus is a magnificent piece of work. It's the 2-1/2 hours of filler that one has to endure to get there that I have a problem with, or should I say I can't handel? :~) Bob NP: The 'Mats, "Nobody" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:46:45 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Lecture in Cambridge, MA -- NJC > Eek! You should either be hayden after a remark like that or apologizing to the lizst and taking it bach! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:50:37 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bush and the Bible, njc, now the worst puns ever LOL Smurf! I know when I've been beethoven, and I'm taking De bussy out of town... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:55:59 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: NJC "Bush Doctrine" Buck, when it comes to the invasion of Iraq, I disagree thoroughly with you. It is amazing to me, when I'm feeling unemotional about it all, that people living through the same events can see them so differently. So, I'm not looking to change your views, Buck, and am not changed by yours, but here's how I see things: Norman Pennington (in pro-Bush fervor :-) wrote: > > a. Taliban eliminated as a viable force and government in Afghanistan The report I heard recently is that the Taliban is in control of 1/3 of Afghanistan, the warlords another 1/3 of the country, and the new Afghan government is in charge of the area around Kabul, only because of the U.S. security forces there. We get very little news now in the U.S. about Afghanistan, except for the recent and short-lived splash about the "spring offensive" to get bin Laden. So, although there's less Taliban control, they haven't been eliminated. > b. Removed Afghanistan as Al Qaeda sanctuary The training camp with the monkey bars that we saw on tv thousands of times is probably gone. However, bin Laden, who is 6'5" and needs to use a kidney dialysis machine probably three times a week to stay alive, cannot be found in the mountains on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border where he's assumed to be hiding. Obviously, there are A LOT of people in both countries helping to hide him. Sounds like sanctuary to me. > c. Killed or captured 2/3rds of Al Qaeda leadership Killed or captured 2/3rds of Al Qaeda leadership AS IT EXISTED TWO YEARS AGO! As the President of Egypt said about a U.S.-led war on Iraq: "Instead of having one (Osama) bin Laden, we will have 100 bin Ladens." (I'd put that number closer to 1,000.) Do we know who all those new leaders are? The capture of bin Laden now would be an empty symbolic "victory". After two wasted years, it doesn't matter now whether he's captured because there are plenty of energized followers willing to further his cause. He may already be dead from kidney disease anyway, so the search may be completely futile. > d. Disrupted Al Qaeda and reduced their operational efficiency Yes, their routines have been disrupted. It's temporary. Aren't the "hate-learning" schools still going strong in Saudi Arabia? > e. Eliminated S. Hussein as a threat The flyovers and sanctions kept Hussein from being a threat. Turning attention and resources to Iraq (for what reasons?) and not rebuilding Afghanistan as promised was a major mistake. > f. Initiated action to introduce democracy in Iraq Tell me again why the government of the United States had the right to do that? > Item F is instrumental in the war's strategy, but is the most difficult to > see. For brevity's sake, think about the emerging democracies in Central > Europe and the former USSR, post Cold War. And what country did the U.S. invade and occupy in order for those democracies to emerge? As I recall, Lech Walesa and other brave citizens of those countries defined their goals and fought for their freedom. And they managed to do that without the U.S. bombing their countries first. > The people in those societies > understand what this is all about and are among our strongest supporters. They understand one country being a bully, and the need to get along with that bully. I wonder what kind of financial incentives the U.S. gave them in order to get their "strong support". > I am NOT mixing apples and oranges here...what I am on about is > self-determination after decades of oppression, albeit under a different set > of circumstances. But, oppression is oppression...whether it originates > from a ruthless dictator, a commissar, or a mullah. Yes, and do we end that oppression for everyone? If the concern of the U.S. is the well-being of oppressed people, what country shall we help out next? Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:01:51 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Lecture in Cambridge, MA Bob writes, about Leo Kottke: << He's quite a guitarist, but he gets a raspberry for never doing any Joni covers. >> Oh Bob, EVERYONE is doing Joni covers. Haven't you noticed? Which reminds me, there is a great review -- with Joni content -- of the new Diana Krall CD with "Black Crow" on the Guardian site. It's here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,1188244,00.html If Rolling Stone wrote reviews like that maybe they'd still be relevant! While you're at the Guardian site, check out this rambling but interesting piece -- also with Joni content -- about music from the last few decades by Tim Lott: http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,1177646,00.html This article includes the following, which I didn't understand: << Neil and Joni had long been going through a bleak period - I'd given on Neil after Zuma and Joni after Bird. >> Think maybe he means "Mingus" rather than "Bird?" - --Smurf, who's hoping for a big basket for Easter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 16:10:57 -0400 From: dsk Subject: For all the language lovers here (NJC) My final post before leaving to enjoy the weekend... happy Easter, joyous Spring (or Autumn), miraculous rebirth everyone! From the NYTimes: Hark, Abused Punctuation: This Writer Feels Your Pain April 8, 2004 By JANET MASLIN In her scrappy treatise on punctuation and its discontents, Lynne Truss mentions that a certain kind of comma should be treated as half of a pair, "even if you can only see one of them." However inadvertently, that phrase bolsters her book's main claim: that we are far too forgiving of imprecise language and should be more vigilant. After all, Ms. Truss is a self-appointed grammar fiend whose book-jacket photograph shows her defacing a poster for the film "Two Weeks Notice" to avenge its lack of an apostrophe. And she recommends a gun as well as "strong medication for personality disorder" to anyone who shares her zeal for ferreting out mistakes. Misplaced modifier alert: what she means above is that you can see only one of the two commas. What she says, but does not mean, is that you can see the comma but not hear, feel or smell it. This is worth emphasizing because it demonstrates just how contagious Ms. Truss's witty analysis and fussbudget tactics prove to be. And by the way, she would argue about whether Ms. Truss's or Ms. Truss' is the correct possessive form of her name. "Eats, Shoots & Leaves" takes its title from a mispunctuated phrase about a panda. In Britain, where this rib-tickling little book has been a huge success and its panda joke apparently recited in the House of Lords, Ms. Truss has proved to be anything but a lone voice. Despite her assertion that "being burned as a witch is not safely enough off the agenda" for the punctuation-minded stickler, Ms. Truss obviously hit a raw nerve. For those who are tired of seeing signs like "Bobs' Motors" and think an "Eight Items or Less" checkout sign should read "Eight Items or Fewer," boy, is this book for you. Ms. Truss has not succeeded solely on the basis of her punctuation acumen (though that is considerable - and by the way, she finds dashes and parentheses annoying). Her mission to "engage in some direct-action argy-bargy" has helped the book, too. In her ardor for grammatical correctness and her clear, entertaining ways of arguing and illustrating, Ms. Truss has prompted an almost inexplicable fervor. As a former schoolteacher, the author Frank McCourt (who wrote the foreword to this edition) suggests nominating her for sainthood. And for reasons best known to himself, James Lipton, identified here as the host of "Inside the Actors Studio" (no apostrophe!), has been moved, in blurb mode, to declare: "Punc-rock on!" Why are there five commas, two exclamation points and a colon in that sentence? Ms. Truss has a high old time investigating such matters. She even ascribes personalities to the marks themselves and cites George Bernard Shaw's reference to apostrophes as "uncouth bacilli." Thus the exclamation point becomes "the equivalent of canned laughter." And colons divide into the "Yes!" and "Ah" varieties. And as for the hypnotic power of the semicolon: "I adopt a kind of stream-of-consciousness sentence structure; somewhat like Virginia Woolf; without full sentences; but it feels O.K. to do this; rather worrying." Beneath the book's abundant playfulness are a brief but serious look at grammar's history and some prognostications about it's future. (An apostrophe in "it's," thus misused, is one of the errors most likely to drive Ms. Truss to violence.) She goes all the way back to Aristophanes to identify the comma as a signal for actors' phrasing. When it comes to Shakespeare, she has heard of someone playing Duncan in "Macbeth" and reading the line "Go, get him surgeons" as "Go get him, surgeons!" And she notes that punctuation has always been valued and sustained by printers. "The bad news for punctuation, however," she writes, "is that the age of printing is due to hold its official retirement party next Friday afternoon at half-past five." Now what? Well, Ms. Truss disputes the idea that the written word is passing out of vogue. If anything, we do more writing than ever, thanks to e-mail. But she regards much of this as not writing, and not even typing - just sending. The dash - that all-purpose way of stringing random thoughts together - sometimes to incoherent effect - may be widely used "because it is, simply, easy to see." If that explains its popularity now, why did it also hold such great appeal for Emily Dickinson? Perhaps because, in a critical observation that Ms. Truss cites, it symbolizes "the analogical leaps and flashes of advanced cognition." On the other hand, Dickinson may have "used a typewriter from which all the other punctuation keys had been sadistically removed." The cleverness of Ms. Truss (no apostrophe needed) does have its cute side. She mentions the writer who "lapses into a comma (ho ho)" and people "who don't know their apostrophe from their elbow." But the passion and fun of her arguments are wonderfully clear. Here is someone with abiding faith in the idea that "proper punctuation is both the sign and the cause of clear thinking." In offering guidelines on how to take these matters seriously, Ms. Truss points out that "there is even a rather delightful publication for children called The Punctuation Repair Kit, which takes the line `Hey! It's uncool to be stupid!' - which is a lie, of course, but you have to admire them for trying." This book makes correct usage so cool that you have to admire Ms. Truss for the same reason. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/08/books/08MASL.html?ex=1082462756&ei=1&en=bcb77d827a0d5623 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 16:18:09 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Lecture in Cambridge, MA Subject: Re: doon it again! I'll drag out the Japanese pressing of DJRD tonight and give a listen. I agree about Ronstadt's albums from that era. Good music, lousy pressings. Back to DJRD: I remember there's a flaw on PP in every pressing I have (USA and Japanese), just before the band plugs in again, as if they punched in to adjust the level and didn't notice it introduced a burst. I guess that means that they both used the same (flawed) master. I'll have to see if the Japanses pressing is a "fix" I can recommend for the other 3 sides or not. Jim From: Em > I'm wondering if I have a less than good pressing of this. Maybe this one that suffered from the vinyl shortage of the 70's. Anyone remember that scandle? When they found out the record co's were pressing way too many discs off the master? I have lots of crappy vinyl from the late 70's. James Taylor, some of my Linda Ronstadt and Steely Dan, just never sounded really good amd I suspect I had bad pressings. Or "marginally" bad pressings. Just enough distortion to make me not want to listen.> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:10:19 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: NJC "Bush Doctrine" Debra asked: > Yes, and do we end that oppression for everyone? If the concern of the > U.S. is the well-being of oppressed people, what country shall we help > out next? May I suggest North Korea? I mean, why not? In addition to oppressing its citizens (in the opinion of most of the Western world, anyway), the government of that country is clearly (and perhaps rapidly) developing its nuclear capability (known in some circles as "weapons of mass destruction). The North Koreans recently decided to suspend all negotiations with the U.S. regarding their nuclear program until at least after the U.S. election in November. So, why not? Why aren't we there already, helping the oppressed and increasing the security and peace of the U.S. and the world? Could it be ... they don't have any ... OIL? Nah, that couldn't be it. Could it? Lori, who wishes her Yamaha motorcycle really would run on rice like the Harley owners says it does ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:32:05 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: Stringman (NJC) > ok - so who wrote the lyric about "the sergeant who wouldnt go back to war, > cause the hippies tore down everything he was fighting for"??? (seems to be > in my head in a neil young voice....) It's from Stringman by Neil Young, most recently on his Unplugged album. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:37:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: hey Lori!!!!!! no meaty or important JC NJC hey Lori just so ya know..... I've committed the following 16 minutes to "Paprika Plains". :) enjoying it.... happy Friday all! Em < Subject: Re: doon it again! Hi Jim, wow, glad you understand what I mean about some of the lousy vinyl. And yep if you or anyone can recommend an alternative version..that would be great. ummmm..is there a pristine Joni-approved re-master? or? I think mine is just crummy AND worn out..paprika plains just ended and there is significant crackling.... seems alot of my old Asylum stuff didn't sound too clear..ok if you're stoned (like back then)....but *not* stoned...hmm I get damn picky! :) Em - --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > I'll drag out the Japanese pressing of DJRD tonight and give a > listen. I agree about Ronstadt's albums from that era. Good music, > lousy pressings. > > Back to DJRD: I remember there's a flaw on PP in every pressing I > have (USA and Japanese), just before the band plugs in again, as if > they punched in to adjust the level and didn't notice it introduced a > burst. I guess that means that they both used the same (flawed) > master. > > I'll have to see if the Japanses pressing is a "fix" I can recommend > for the other 3 sides or not. > > Jim > > From: Em > > I'm wondering if I have a less than good pressing of this. Maybe > this > one that suffered from the vinyl shortage of the 70's. Anyone > remember > that scandle? When they found out the record co's were pressing way > too > many discs off the master? I have lots of crappy vinyl from the late > 70's. James Taylor, some of my Linda Ronstadt and Steely Dan, just > never sounded really good amd I suspect I had bad pressings. Or > "marginally" bad pressings. Just enough distortion to make me not > want > to listen.> > ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:21:11 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC "Bush Doctrine" -- PC About which country we should "help out" next, an uninspired Lori writes: << May I suggest North Korea? I mean, why not? In addition to oppressing its citizens (in the opinion of most of the Western world, anyway), the government of that country is clearly (and perhaps rapidly) developing its nuclear capability (known in some circles as "weapons of mass destruction). >> Ho-hum. Small potatoes, Lori. What about the Tibetans? The Chinese have been arresting Tibetan musicians lately, and the Chinese may have the world's longest list of human rights abuses. Plus they have nukes and more sophisticated technology than the Stone Age types we've been picking fights with lately. *Armageddon* too old to wait for the end of the world. Bring it on, Bushie! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:39:02 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: hey Lori!!!!!! no meaty or important JC NJC > hey Lori just so ya know..... I've committed the following 16 minutes > to "Paprika Plains". > :) > enjoying it.... > happy Friday all! > Em < Subject: Re: NJC "Bush Doctrine" > & what type of yammy is it - bored & idle minds really get curious :-) I'll answer all of your questions soon and personally, Ron, so as not to bore everyone here! (Except maybe Em!) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 23:58:03 +0100 From: "tantra_apso" Subject: Re: NJC "Bush Doctrine" -- PC I wasn't serious-at elast not totally but it makes every bit as much sense as labelling other countries as threats, or demanding they don't have WMD'S. What about france? israel? India? Pakistan? GB? Are we next in line? What exactly is there to stop the USA deciding any of these countries pose a threat and are part of the 'axis of evil'? We already know that they will act on their own, regardless. bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:07:39 +0100 From: "tantra_apso" Subject: Re: For all the language lovers here (NJC) Maybe I don't remember grammar as well as I should. Why would one put an apostrophe in Two Weeks Notice? quote-After all, Ms. Truss is a self-appointed grammar fiend whose book-jacket photograph shows her defacing a poster for the film "Two Weeks Notice" to avenge its lack of an apostrophe. -end quote bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:12:14 +0100 From: "tantra_apso" Subject: Re: NJC "Bush Doctrine" I reckon the lesbians and str8 guys are just rrying to take this list over. Honestly, all these headings-Bush this , Bush that. i have spent 45 years avoiding bush and now I can't get away from it...... bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 20:06:14 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: FW: Fwd: Fw: Fw: FW: PLEEEEEEASE READ!!!! it was on the news! >From: HFraad@aol.com >To: tgrant@jiminy.com, AAgranat@elliman.com, HAMSW@aol.com, >amy.rowe@verizon.net, fraaaup@etal.uri.edu, Rosybax@aol.com, >apbrison@hotmail.com, jamesboehmer@comcast.net, ebreault01@snet.net, >schalif@nyc.rr.com, icnh@hotmail.com, childers@mail.ucr.edu, >HCrescione@aol.com, HYPTEC@aol.com, ELIMESS@aol.com, >erica_flood@hotmail.com, hiattgale@sbcglobal.net, Sscje@aol.com, >KFMSSJ@aol.com, rlichtman@earthlink.net, pjlevin@snet.net, >MarcRubin1@aol.com, mo@mosila.com, MulderC@ipfw.edu, >Robert.lojo@wachovia.com, a@anitasoos.com, Teoluc@aol.com, >thais@student.umass.edu, vic.edgerton@aya.yale.edu >Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fw: FW: PLEEEEEEASE READ!!!! it was on the news! >Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:22:40 -0400 > > > >Harriet Fraad _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Return-Path: Received: from rly-xn03.mx.aol.com (rly-xn03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.136]) by air-xn02.mail.aol.com (v98.19) with ESMTP id MAILINXN22-6374075d48b1ca; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:39:26 -0500 Received: from web80207.mail.yahoo.com (web80207.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.42]) by rly-xn03.mx.aol.com (v98.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXN31-6374075d48b1ca; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:39:07 -0500 Message-ID: <20040408223907.31552.qmail@web80207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.60.15.239] by web80207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:39:07 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:39:07 -0700 (PDT) From: amy weiss Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fw: FW: PLEEEEEEASE READ!!!! it was on the news! 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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:27:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AOL-IP: 209.208.0.72 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain - ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Tanenbaum To: Wilma ; Ron Root ; Roger Wall ; Richard Turner ; Pam ; Marilyn Deglomine ; Laurie Breitbord ; Jimbeq ; Jerry Jackson ; Jerilyn N Rich ; Jaqueline Martin ; Felice Marshall ; Dick ; David Pakula ; Carla Gordon ; Bob Thomson ; Beachkid05@aol.com ; Alliest717@aol.com ; Miguel Gallardo ; George Mulligan ; Karl Koering ; William A Shackelford ; Larry Tanenbaum ; Shelly Oppman ; Ronni Gelfand ; Cheryl Tanenbaum Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 6:37 AM Subject: FW: Fw: FW: PLEEEEEEASE READ!!!! it was on the news! - -----Original Message----- From: Elsie Kelly [mailto:jemini_2k3@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:32 PM To: wasbet@juno.com; sew4bea@aol.com; thedowns2@aol.com; bashinka@msn.com; djrosiemom@aol.com; gracec@cuisp.com; jeri322@netzero.net; sands108204@yahoo.com; lospoon@juno.com; huntmaster@ucnsb.net; Straycats41@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Fw: FW: PLEEEEEEASE READ!!!! it was on the news! Elsie Kelly wrote: Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:20:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Elsie Kelly Subject: Fwd: Fw: FW: PLEEEEEEASE READ!!!! it was on the news! To: wasbet@juno.com Elsie Kelly wrote: Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:09:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Elsie Kelly Subject: Fwd: Fw: FW: PLEEEEEEASE READ!!!! it was on the news! To: nleeglass@aol.com, stolarskik@yahoo.com mlakelly@juno.com wrote: Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 01:39:52 GMT To: jemini_2k3@yahoo.com, m.magrino@worldnet.att.net, wiggins_richard@hotmail.com Subject: Fw: FW: PLEEEEEEASE READ!!!! it was on the news! From: mlakelly@juno.com Please note: forwarded message attached > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 From: "Thomas Potter" To: , "Cindy Chupe" , "Marsha Hicks" , "mike kelly" , "Rhonda Spencer" , "Thomas Potter Jr." , , "Sis. Herrmann" , "Larry Potter" , "Larry Potter" , "Jeff & Jo Clark" , "JC Braswell" , "James Potter" , "Debbie Pastrano" , "Chapman, Virgil" , "Barbara J Burt" Subject: Fw: FW: PLEEEEEEASE READ!!!! it was on the news! Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 22:49:54 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruben Fernandes To: John Alberti ; jolene barrett ; Joeseph blaha ; Meleni Blaha ; johnny bresler ; Betty Briggs ; Viper & Cobra ; michael daly Daly ; Eunice Harkness ; Alfred Hofscuster ; Lia k ; Hendrik Koekemoer ; Valerie Laubie ; Jean-Claude Masson ; Natasha masson ; Aidan mcguinness ; Robert Mitchel ; dave naughton ; Tim O'Keefe ; Marek Oleksy ; Paul De Oliveira ; Pastor Thomas Potter ; Guy Queck ; Ruben Fernandes ; Rosa ; Nicolene Van Schalkwyk ; Alain Schwartzmann ; Lee Simpson ; Angela Swanwpoel ; Lindi Swart ; Grzegorz szczegolski ; Nathan Williams Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 6:49 PM Subject: Fwd: FW: PLEEEEEEASE READ!!!! it was on the news! To all of my friends, I do not usually forward messages, But this is from my good friend Pearlas Sandborn and she really is an attorney. If she says that this will work - It will work. After all, What have you got to lose? SORRY EVERYBODY.. JUST HAD TO TAKE THE CHANCE!!! I'm an attorney, And I know the law. This thing is for real. Rest assured AOL and Intel will follow through with their promises for fear of facing a multimillion-dollar class action suit similar to the one filed by PepsiCo against General Electric not too long ago. Dear Friends; Please do not take this for a junk letter. Bill Gates sharing his fortune. If you ignore this, You will repent later. Microsoft and AOL are now the largest Internet companies and in an effort to make sure that Internet Explorer remains the most widely used program, Microsoft and AOL are running an e-mail beta test. When you forward this e-mail to friends, Microsoft can and will track it ( If you are a Microsoft Windows user) For a two weeks time period. For every person that you forward this e-mail to, Microsoft will pay you $245.00 For every person that you sent it to that forwards it on, Microsoft will pay you $243.00 and for every third person that receives it, You will be paid $241.00. Within two weeks, Microsoft will contact you for your address and then send you a check. Regards. Charles S. Bailey General Manager Field Operations 1-800-842-2332 Ext. 1085 or 904-1085 or RNX 292-1085 Charles_Bailey@csx.com I thought this was a scam myself, But two weeks after receiving this e-mail and forwarding it on. Microsoft contacted me for my address and withindays, I receive a check for $24,800.00. You need to respond before the beta testing is over. If anyone can affoard this, Bill gates is the man. It's all marketing expense to him. Please forward this to as many people as possible. You are bound to get at least $10,000.00. We're not going to help them out with their e-mail beta test without getting a little something for our time. My brother's girlfriend got in on this a few months ago. When i went to visit him for the Baylor/UT game. She showed me her check. It was for the sum of $4,324.44 and was stamped "Paid in full" Like i said before, I know the law, and this is for real. Intel and AOL are now discussing a merger which would make them the largest Internet company and in an effort make sure that AOL remains the most widely used program, Intel and AOL are running an e-mail beta test. When you forward this e-mail to friends, Intel can and will track it( if you are a Microsoft Windows user)for a two week time period. TRy it; What have you got to lose???? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 20:22:16 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: PLEEEEEEASE READ!!!! (Internet Hoax) NJC Oh dear. This is an internet hoax that's been going around for about 5 years now. Please don't post this kind of stuff to the JMDL. It's usually best to check these kind of things on the internet first. I typed "microsoft email tracking" into Google and got a bunch of information on this hoax, including this one from Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/hoax/05-13hoax.asp Even if it were a real offer and you felt the need share it, please use the NJC tag, and please edit all the extraneous stuff (others' email addresses, the old forwarding headers, etc.) before sending it along. All the best, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 21:17:50 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: British Music (NJC) <> Yep, that would be the weekend! :-) <> It wouldn't be Martin guitars by any chance, would it? <> Thanks, I will! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 21:34:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni concert Tuesday, 4/27/04 **I thought this was a Joni Micthell music, etc. list, not a political one. What gives? Well, if you're just reading whatever we want to write, you're pretty much at our mercy, aren't you? You wanna talk about Joni, say something, dude. Someone will probably respond and there you go. But please don't complain because we're not writing what you want to read. That sort of thing gets downright tiresome. And thanks for the tip on the Joni-JT show. It's awesome for those who've not heard it. Bob NP: Todd Rundgren, " ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 21:51:44 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: a weird Joni dream.... with todd rundgren synchronicity whoa, toddness everywhere... here: http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/song/ is a list of short essays about pop songs. i only read the one about todd's 'hello,it's me' and the writer had an insight about it, that it was about the bittersweetness of the just-post-affair moment. from the essay: Todd Rundgren sings of the newfound distance between lovers, the end of something and the beginning of something else. He is a man who thought enough of his ex-girlfriend to let her know how important her freedom was to him, and who crafted a masterful pop song to disperse those sentiments. just a moment ago, i read from chris That's the bit that slays me... thinking about events and thinking "Was it me? Was it them? Was it both of us? Was it *inevitable*, no matter how hard we both tried?" Egads. That makes it sound like my past is full of dire happenings. It's not. Just a few wistfully remembered things in the last decade that didn't work out. and i thought of 'hello, it's me' again. then em (hi! and welcome aunty em!) writes that she dreamt of joni singing: "I Don't Want To Work, >Just Want To Bang On The Drum All Day" ". which was written by todd! i have a funny story about that song. todd always mocks it in concerts, because after writing so many great smart songs, that one is his biggest hit and it's just a stupid song. (well 'hello, it's me' 'i saw the light' and 'can we still be friends' were pretty big hits) when he does it in concert he invites people up on stage and they bang shit around. well he was on one of those ringo starr all-stars tours, and when he had his moment and they were doing that song, out of the wings comes joe walsh with bunny ears and a giant drum with 'everready' on it. brought down the house! patrick, who has really loved todd rundgren's music for a long long time. n - silence ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:08:24 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: a weird Joni dream.... with todd rundgren synchronicity - now njc i'd just like to point out that i wrote the previous todd post BEFORE bob posted about a new album, which i hadn't heard a word about. patrick np - tr, no world order (and of course it's not a coincidence) "the child is so sweet, and the girls are so rapturous. isn't it lovely how artists can capture us?" 'children and art', from sondheim's 'sunday in the park with george' >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >patrick leader >Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:52 PM >To: Em; jonilist >Cc: Chris Marshall >Subject: RE: a weird Joni dream.... with todd rundgren synchronicity > > >whoa, toddness everywhere... > >here: http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/song/ is a list of short essays about >pop songs. i only read the one about todd's 'hello,it's me' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 19:21:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: a weird Joni dream.... with todd rundgren synchronicity - now njc weird, man....and I'm hearing Twilight Zone music, even MORE! :) Nice to meet you Patrick, btw! Who all did Rundgren produce?? trying to remember...cuz I know I came to associate my like for him mostly with his studio skills. His "hits" were at a time in my life when anything that got played as much as those 3 songs on the radio, was like automatically to be rejected. Dumb, I know, but thats how it was. And the weird thing is, some of that top 40 stuff I now LIKE in a geeky way. I confess to you all that I have at this moment, in my car, a tape I made which contains both "Afternoon Delight" AND "Chevy VAn". Wouldn't have been caught dead with that "in the day". Life remains weird, and I'm thinking it remains good. Em - --- patrick leader wrote: > i'd just like to point out that i wrote the previous todd post BEFORE > bob > posted about a new album, which i hadn't heard a word about. > > patrick > > np - tr, no world order (and of course it's not a coincidence) > > "the child is so sweet, and the girls are so rapturous. > isn't it lovely how artists can capture us?" > > 'children and art', from sondheim's 'sunday in the park with george' > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > >patrick leader > >Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:52 PM > >To: Em; jonilist > >Cc: Chris Marshall > >Subject: RE: a weird Joni dream.... with todd rundgren synchronicity > > > > > >whoa, toddness everywhere... > > > >here: http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/song/ is a list of short > essays about > >pop songs. i only read the one about todd's 'hello,it's me' > ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:32:12 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: More thanks!!! (NJC) Emiliano wrote: <> The first is a very old Gaellic Song called "Fear a Bhata." It's a song about a boatman who is not faithful, but a woman who loves him anyway. It's a beautiful, haunting melody. You can here the song by going to www.cdbaby.com and go to: The Browne Sisters & George Cavanaugh, Silver Darlings and click on Fear a Bhata. We do it differently than this, but you can get an idea. Eno Sa Grado is also a very old song. It is Galician love song from the 13th century. You can read the lyrics here: http://www.paulboizot.co.uk/lyrics/eno_sagrado.htm Unfortunately, I could not find a music clip for you. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:36:51 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: a weird Joni dream.... In a message dated 4/9/04 9:11:58 AM, SCJoniGuy writes: << Hey, and since you mentioned that classic Todd Rundgren song, I'll take the opportunity to mention that he put out a new record this week called "Liars" that I like a lot. I know I have a couple of fellow Todd-heads out there, so I hope you'll check it out. It's almost techno, but he overlays those Rundren-esque chord progressions over it that just makes it sound so cool. His best stuff in a while, I think. >> Strange you should mention that, Bob; Todd is listed as coming to a small club here on Ling Island the end of this month and it mentions "Liars"... I thought it was an opening act or a new group he started. Guess I'll REALLY have to go that night and check it out. Thanks!! Kenny B (pardon the njc but it's just a tiny bit) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:51:59 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: NJC "Bush Doctrine" this is somewhat delayed and off-thread but... in one of buck's posts, he ended with something like this: nw - the condileeza witch hunt which disturbs me. are congressional hearings bad? how can a perfectly balanced bi-partisan panel, formed with significant input (and even a couple of ringers) from the bush adminstration be a witch hunt? i also know that a lot of what we're learning is because of extreme pressure from the 'jersey girls' four 9/11 widows from new jersey who have kept the momentum and attention on the hearings. condi was forced to publicly testify because of those women, so when i hear it called a witch hunt, buck, i feel like it's a hit at them. you're not the only one (though i realize you didn't mention them) there's a lot of right wingers playing 'kick a widow' right now. those women lost their husbands; they'd like to know what was done and what wasn't, and condi owes them (and me) answers. and you have a lot of nerve suggesting otherwise. charles pierce, a writer for the boston globe, wrote today in eric alterman's blog: *** The truly great thing about these 9/11 hearings remains the towering moral witness of the 9/11 widows -- and shame on Bob (Coiffure By Vespasian Of The Appian Way) Kerrey for shushing them. They are doing more than standing up for their loved ones, and that surely would have been enough. They are glorious in their casual disdain for the "Intelligence Community." They are blissfully unimpressed by the Great Men who presume to tell them what the Great Men decide they should know. They leave the pundits gaping at their heedless disregard for the Governing Class. Almost alone, they have insisted that information be brought to light that will enable us to judge our leaders and hold them to account, and that's what this whole silly experiment was supposed to be about -- the "most dreaded kind of knowledge," according to that impossible old blatherskite, John Adams. God save these wonderful women. They are being citizens -- in the most complete sense possible -- for the rest of us. *** i can't say more. patrick np - tr, no world order, love thing 1.1 the observer article about the jersey girls http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage2.asp blatherskite http://www.quinion.com/words/weirdwords/ww-bla1.htm ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #159 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)