From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #158 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 9 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 158 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Bombing whatever NJC -- PC ["ron" ] Re: Bush and the Bible, njc ["ron" ] Re: 9/11 posts (NJC) ["ron" ] Re: Bush doctrine (was What Is Reality?) (NJC) -- PC ["ron" ] "Paved paradise..." ["Dylan Rush" ] Re: Welcome (NJC) (Now British Music) [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Bush Doctrine--long (NJC) [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: flick NJC [Em ] Re: doon it again! (DJRD) [Chris Marshall ] a weird Joni dream.... [Em ] Re: a weird Joni dream.... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Carla Bruni again njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Bush Doctrine--long (NJC) [Susan Guzzi ] Turn About is Fair Play (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Joni Lecture in Cambridge, MA [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Turn About is Fair Play (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Bombing whatever NJC -- PC [Lori Fye ] Re: Bombing whatever NJC -- PC [Randy Remote ] Re: a weird Joni dream.... (njc now) [Lori Fye ] Re: a weird Joni dream.... (njc now) [Em ] Re: Bush Doctrine--long (NJC) ["Kay Ashley" ] Re: More thanks!!! (NJC) [Emiliano ] Joni in Fiction... an Ally McBeal one [Emiliano ] Re: spanish "appeasers" was NJC "Bush Doctrine" and Kay [Emiliano ] Re: More thanks!!! (NJC) [Em ] Re: Bush and the Bible, njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Bush and the Bible, njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] More cover news [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: More thanks!!! (NJC) [Emiliano ] Re: doon it again! [dsk ] The Original Magdalene Laundry song [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: More cover news [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The Original Magdalene Laundry song njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: spanish "appeasers" NJC [dsk ] Re: Bush and the Bible, njc [Lori Fye ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:38:54 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Bombing whatever NJC -- PC hi >>>>smurfy wrote >>>>>> And somewhere in a foreign land an officer can't understand why people don't appreciate the sacrifices he's making for them. <<<<< ok - so who wrote the lyric about "the sergeant who wouldnt go back to war, cause the hippies tore down everything he was fighting for"??? (seems to be in my head in a neil young voice....) now wouldnt that be something. & the bombers could change into butterlies...... ah hell, guess im just a dreamer (tho to be honest i dont like that song at all!!!!) ron np - madness - can can (bringing back memories of nights of stoned & drunken excess as a soldier occupying a foreign land - mmm i think maybe i know how some of your troops feel???) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:32:27 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Bush and the Bible, njc hi >>>>bob wrote >>>> What I *really* don't get...what makes absolutely ZERO sense to me, is that the religious right is blammo 100% behind Bush and our terrorism,<<<<<<< yeah - that bugs the hell out of me - i really dont get it. from the people ive spoken to here (i dont really seem to hang out with too many religious people anymore - wonder why????) the prevailing pov here is that hes totally evil, involved with the illuminati, working for (or maybe *is*) the antichrist etc which kind of made me feel a bit better about the church here in general...... ron np - madness - night boat to cairo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:41:46 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: 9/11 posts (NJC) hi >>>> Lori, wrote >>>>>> who was with Hell and Willy the Shake in Lower Manhattan just 8 days prior to 9/11, just after departing the last Jonifest held at Ashara's.<<<< imagine me - arriving in new york for the first time ever, standing outside my room at the pennsylvania, & the connection slowly penetrating : im in room "911" ron np - i dont know who - "missing words" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:58:08 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Bush doctrine (was What Is Reality?) (NJC) -- PC hi >>>>smurfy wrote >>>>>> I am not a big Kerry supporter, but I would vote for Nancy Reagan this time around -- ANYONE who is not GWB. Our system is not working when Washington's pols have turned into lapdogs for lobbyists and special interests while the electorate is kept stupid and easily manipulated by spin. We have squandered the good will the world had for us in the immediate post-9/11 period and spit in the eye of any lessons history may have had for us regarding dealing with terrorists. God help us and the world. perfectly said !!!! i have just one concern tho - perhaps 'cause im not too familiar with the US election system - and thats too much splitting of the opposition allowing bush to stay in. you guys there in the us have a big responsibilty to the rest of us - *get rid of bush* :-) ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:22:37 +0200 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: Madrid (NJC) Kay wrote: "I neglected to respond to Gill's thoughtful post. Clearly you know a whole helluva lot more about it than I do, and I found your explanation of what happened in the 3/14 election fascinating. In case I came across this way at all, I did not mean to suggest that by electing the socialist party, that Spaniards are appeasing terrorists at all. " Kay, not for one moment did I think that you thought that... not one bit. Having read your post initial post, I could see exactly where you were coming from. I just wanted to use your post as an opportunity to give my version of those intense days. I never did at the time because everyone was so gutted and I needed to give it all some distance. I would also like to say thank you again for your post on Bush's doctirne. It was brilliant, and as Lori says, I'd vote you for president any day. I'd like to add to your point on terrorist funding: "How about taking all that money that we're throwing at Iraq and funnel it into hunting down the terrorist funding sources and cut them off? " And hunting down all the corrupt lawyers and bankers throughout the world, and in the West, that launder these terrorist funds and throwing them into prison cells for the rest of their putrid lives? Along with those arms dealers who sell them their weapons? Ain't gonna happen though in our lifetime, anyway. Governments don't seem to rule anymore.. Corporate policies seem to be forging the world's future.. The buck over lives.. our lives. Think I'm going to play Costello's ""What's so funny 'bout) peace love and understanding" now. all the very best Gill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 22:05:10 +1000 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: "Paved paradise..." Recently in a local area there have been plans to demolish a local park and turn it into a parking lot. Last night, a spray-painted cardboard sign appeared at the front entrance - "PAVED PARADISE AND PUT UP A PARKING LOT". Right on! Good ol' Joni. A great song never dies... _________________________________________________________________ Personalise your phone with chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 08:13:30 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Welcome (NJC) (Now British Music) In a message dated 09/04/2004 03:35:31 GMT Standard Time, AsharaJM writes: > > < Bert > Jansch and the British folk and blues revival" by Colin Harper. It covers > the > whole BJ era right up to quite recently. >> > > You've mentioned this book several times before, Jacky, and when you first > mentioned it, I put it on my "wish list" because it was out of print and the > price was very steep (I think about $35.00) for a used copy. I see that they > have just released the paperback version, and it is available for a very > reasonable price!! YAY!! Bert, John, Pentangle, Steeleye Span, Maddy Prior, June > Tabor, Fairport Convention, Sandy Denny and many, many more British names > wove the threads of my life from the early 70's onward. That's good news about the book, Ashara - I didn't know that. It's a great read and took me back to the days when I used to go to Les Cousins club in London to see all these up and coming people like Davey Graham, Bert Jansch and many more. It was an exciting time. > > I saw Martin Carthy a few summers ago, and he looked and sounded fabulous! I > also had the opportunity to hear him with Blue Murder, the group he is in > with his daughter Eliza, Norma and Mike Waterson, Barry Coope, Jim Boyes and > Lester Simpson at the Cambridge Folk Festival up in your neck of the woods when > I was there a few summers ago. > > > Was that the day you spent up to your knees in mud? Nothing like a good rain-soaked British folk festival! While never having been a great fan of Martin Carthy's music, what I love about him is his total dedication to the cause of keeping traditional music alive. I saw him a few weeks ago, along with Juan Martin, Martin Simpson and Martin Taylor, all having a great jam session. They call themselves Martins 4 and guess who sponsors them? Great to hear form you and enjoy the book! Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 08:23:06 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Bush Doctrine--long (NJC) Kay, you wrote: "Every movement that any independent nation makes on the international playing board is motivated by material greed...That is just a fact of history and a fact of human nature." I suggest that it is unfortunately and equally a fact of human nature that the sensible-sounding reforms you advocate are not already in place. Our species appears to me to have a competitive gene which overrides altruism at most points. On a related topic: As for the necessity for military action against potential "terrorists," I can't overlook the apparent availability of deadly weapons to a proportion of the world's population that I never dreamed possible thirty or twenty years ago. Herein, as much as in the Bush Doctrine, lie the seeds of "disaster for the international community and the integrity of our democracy." DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 05:25:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: flick NJC Hell wrote of the Christopher Guest films: > I can't wait for the next effort - I wonder what he'll pick to > parody? > Maybe a group of people from an internet discussion list, who meet > annually > for a weekend somewhere ;o)?! Hey now thats an idea! Lots of good stuff could go into that, and for folks who've been doing this internet thing for while, there'd surely be alot of stuff to "recognize" etc..like one lister could be an incessant (sp?) "forwarder", one a "flamer", etc.. Great idea, Hell! And thanks for the welcome, btw. Looking forward to meeting some of you all in person sometime. :) Aunty Em FL ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:09:07 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: doon it again! (DJRD) Just dipping in here as I seem to have contracted a bad case of "work" recently and find myself unable to devote much time to the list these days... Anyway... On 9 Apr 2004, at 1:40, Lori Fye wrote: > My personal favorite on DJRD is Jericho, I guess because it just hits > me > square in the heart. Likewise. In fact, so much so, that I got goosebumps as I read that. (From memory) "Anyone will tell you Just how hard it is To make and keep a friend Maybe they'll short-sell you Or maybe it's you - Judas in the end When you just can no longer pretend That you're getting what you need Or you're giving out anything for them to grow and feed on" That's the bit that slays me... thinking about events and thinking "Was it me? Was it them? Was it both of us? Was it *inevitable*, no matter how hard we both tried?" Egads. That makes it sound like my past is full of dire happenings. It's not. Just a few wistfully remembered things in the last decade that didn't work out. - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 05:56:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: a weird Joni dream.... ok, gonna jot this down and share it w/you folks for better or for worse. Maybe somebody will get a chuckle from it. OK first of all, in the dream (last night), everything was "blue". I.e. like the album cover. It was a concert scenario, and she sang "Carey" and you know at the end of the verses (choruses?) it goes "your a mean old daddy but I like you" etc..anyway after the last time and repeating it several times to fade out the song, she sings "oh you're a mean old daddy but I like you, BUT I DON'T LOVE YOU!" sheesh, go figure. Then afterwards she was being interviewed, and the guy was asking, why do you always work so hard Joni? huh? thats all you do is work and you know, your fans are getting the impression you have no fun all you do is work, etc. So she answers "well thats why I wrote that song "I Don't Want To Work, Just Want To Bang On The Drum All Day" ". OK sorry I know this is so silly but I just had to share. I've never dreamed of Ms. Joni Mitchell in my LIFE... I blame it on you all. ;) Em ps it was a fun dream actually.. ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 09:11:57 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: a weird Joni dream.... One of us! One of us! :~) Thanks for sharing your dream, Em. We all have them, sometimes about Joni and sometimes about poor Wally and his teeth falling out! Hey, and since you mentioned that classic Todd Rundgren song, I'll take the opportunity to mention that he put out a new record this week called "Liars" that I like a lot. I know I have a couple of fellow Todd-heads out there, so I hope you'll check it out. It's almost techno, but he overlays those Rundren-esque chord progressions over it that just makes it sound so cool. His best stuff in a while, I think. Bob NP: REM, "Fireplace" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:13:26 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Carla Bruni again njc For anyone whose interest was piqued by my mentioning Carla Bruni's album, there's a nice piece about her in today's Independent, which rapturises about *that* voice... http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/music/interviews/story.jsp?story=509799 Azeem in London NP: Sam Cooke (on the radio) - Twisting The Night Away ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 06:37:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Bush Doctrine--long (NJC) I have been uncharacteristically silent on the latest round of political debate. My silly life has certainly gotten in the way of taking part. Of course most of you know I am way left and a pacifist - allbeit an angry seething fuming one! But at this point I enter almost in tears at the passion, sensibility, education and creativity of our Kay. I would futher ask at this point that John Kerry step aside and give way to my choice for president - Kay Ashley! Wow I am in awe of you Kay! I started out as a young mouthy left wing liberal many years ago. I kept the passion but never kept myself as informed open and educated. Through you, I see what I might have been - well oky maybe not straight - but politically speaking - LOL! I just may get your campaign off by writing you in in November - you know get you some name recognition for 2008. Thank you though seriously - you have reopened my passion for news and information for the first time in years. Now excuse me I have some reading to do! Peace, Susan NPIMH: Hail to the Chief - as performed with Kazoos! Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:03:00 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Turn About is Fair Play (NJC) Since I am feeling so grateful about all the new music I've gained from this list, I thought it only fair to mention a few gems that some of you may not have heard yet. The first is a a guy I heard on the radio (WUMB in Boston- the BEST folk radio station!!) the other morning as I was taking my son to school. His name is Christopher Williams and when I went to his site and listened, I liked every single song he had on there. And as a bonus, the songs are not in "clips" but full songs! Check him out at: www.christopherw.com Another GREAT band is a group from the Boston area called Guster. They have been around for about 10 years and I've been following them since then. They are getting quite a name for themselves finally, and they deserve every bit of praise. The drummer plays mostly with his hands only, using a stick only every once in a while, and he absolutely blows me away every time I see him in person. They played for a benefit for the Massachusetts 911 fund on Wednesday night along with Averi and The Bare Naked Ladies and I went with 2 of my boys. Check them out at: www.guster.com If anyone is inspired, let me know what you think on both of these! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:02:55 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni Lecture in Cambridge, MA Maybe something for Maggie, Ashara, Smurf, etc. (Like they need an excuse to get together!): THURSDAY MORNING LECTURE SERIES - April 22, 10:30 a.m., Cambridge Center for Adult Education, 56 Brattle St., Harvard Square. Joni Mitchell: "Refuge in the Crossroads with Keith Hampton." Admission is $2; $1 for seniors. For information, call 617-547-6789, ext. 1. Bob NP: The Replacements, "Within Your Reach" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:17:35 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Turn About is Fair Play (NJC) Haven't heard of Williams, but I'll check out the clips. I saw Guster about 2 years back, they've been John Mayer's opening act for his last couple of tours and they're pretty big on the college circuit. Very catchy music and I was most impressed. Nate liked them as well - of course his response was to hit Kazaa and download a bunch of their stuff. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:25:34 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Bombing whatever NJC -- PC Lama wrote: > Congress is the watchdog and they let us down at least as much as the > President. That is a REALLY excellent point, Jim. Thanks for reminding me. Lori, who now wants to vote them ALL out ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 08:26:59 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Bombing whatever NJC -- PC I agree. Congress violated the Constitution. All who voted to do this should be impeached along with Bush and Cheney. A few brave souls like Kucinich did not play along with this. The rest are directly responsible for the debacle in Iraq. Powell, however, knowingly went before the UN with his song- and-dance for war that was immediately discredited by journalists outside the US. Our news media (conglomerates) are equally complicit. RR "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > In the wake of 911, Congress gave the President temporary permission to do > whatever he felt like. As I recall the oversimplification, they gave him > temporary war powers, overriding their own right to vote up or down on > military action. > > Many people were saying at the time it was a dangerous thing to do. One of > the roles envisioned for Congress was to provide a "check" on the Executive > branch. When they gave that away, it was a way to 1.) seem to be in favor > of a military response (in the wrong direction!) and 2.) be able to wash > their hands of any mess created. > > So here we are, blaming Iraq on President Bush. If he had taken this idea > to Congress and they had shot it down, as they SHOULD HAVE, we wouldn't have > American soldiers acting like sitting ducks (as an occupying force). > > No one in the Executive branch, not even retired General Colin Powell, was > able to stare down the President. I think Powell knows the difference > between right and wrong and tried to make the best of it. Being in the > executive branch, everyone is supposed to follow the President. Congress is > the watchdog and they let us down at least as much as the President. > > Maybe the Iraqis will be able to make some progress themselves after the > elections. I wouldn't want to be a US contractor training their police > force, that's for sure. > > Sincerely, > > Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:39:42 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: a weird Joni dream.... (njc now) Em wrote: > OK sorry I know this is so silly but I just had to share. I've never dreamed > of Ms. Joni Mitchell in my LIFE... I blame it on you all. A-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-HA! I laugh most evilly ... WELCOME TO THE JMDL, Em!! It's kinda like the Hotel California -- you may never leave! Joni dreams are something you have in common with the rest of us here, at least you do now. As for Hell's tongue-in-cheek mention of an annual weekend for members of an internet discussion list, RUN do not walk (or at least immediately browse) to www.jonifest.com! : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:52:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: a weird Joni dream.... (njc now) --- Lori Fye wrote: > Em wrote: > > > OK sorry I know this is so silly but I just had to > share. I've never dreamed > > of Ms. Joni Mitchell in my LIFE... I blame it on > you all. > > A-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-HA! I laugh most evilly > ... WELCOME TO THE JMDL, Em!! > It's kinda like the Hotel California -- you may > never leave! > > Joni dreams are something you have in common with > the rest of us here, at least > you do now. > > As for Hell's tongue-in-cheek mention of an annual > weekend for members of an > internet discussion list, RUN do not walk (or at > least immediately browse) to > www.jonifest.com! > > : ) I'm jealous. I've never dreamed of Joni with the light blonde hair. Em, I really think you should check out Jonifest though. You'd have a blast. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:09:38 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: "Paved paradise..." Dylan wrote: > Recently in a local area there have been plans to demolish a local park and > turn it into a parking lot. Last night, a spray-painted cardboard sign > appeared at the front entrance - "PAVED PARADISE AND PUT UP A PARKING LOT". > Right on! Good ol' Joni. A great song never dies... This image immediately came to mind: Joni with spray paint can in hand. Why not? : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: a weird Joni dream.... (njc now) Catherine wrote: > I'm jealous. I've never dreamed of Joni with the light > blonde hair. > > Em, I really think you should check out Jonifest > though. You'd have a blast. Hi Catherine, :) sure would love to join you all at Jonifest, but it doesn't look good at all for this year for a couple of reasons. Maybe next summer though. I'd like to make it a priority for next year. Em ps yeah it was fun having that dream...woke me up tho, the Todd Rundgren song.... ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:31:37 -0400 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Re: Bush Doctrine--long (NJC) My Dear Susan! I certainly appreciate your support of my campaign, ;-D but I think that I've done way too many kinky things and left my phone number in too many places in my short lifetime to survive the scrutiny of the right wing rumor mill. LOL!! Though I would dearly love to face off with Ann Coulter on a TV show like Bill Maher's. That &!$*%&!/ tart needs a spanking! Love, Kay Susan Guzzi cc: bcc: 04/09/2004 09:37 Subject: Re: Bush Doctrine--long (NJC) AM EDT I have been uncharacteristically silent on the latest round of political debate. My silly life has certainly gotten in the way of taking part. Of course most of you know I am way left and a pacifist - allbeit an angry seething fuming one! But at this point I enter almost in tears at the passion, sensibility, education and creativity of our Kay. I would futher ask at this point that John Kerry step aside and give way to my choice for president - Kay Ashley! Wow I am in awe of you Kay! I started out as a young mouthy left wing liberal many years ago. I kept the passion but never kept myself as informed open and educated. Through you, I see what I might have been - well oky maybe not straight - but politically speaking - LOL! I just may get your campaign off by writing you in in November - you know get you some name recognition for 2008. Thank you though seriously - you have reopened my passion for news and information for the first time in years. Now excuse me I have some reading to do! Peace, Susan NPIMH: Hail to the Chief - as performed with Kazoos! Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today _____________________________________________________________ The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose, nor disclose all or any part of its content to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:03:39 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: More thanks!!! (NJC) Hi, Ashara! Yes, I'm with you in this: I feel very grateful for all these useful and very tasty clues about so many interesting musicians I'm beginning to know through this List: Many thanks to you all! [...] > Several years ago, Wally > helped me with a Gallithian song, "Eno Sa Grado." A few summers ago, while at Chris > Marshall's house in Cambridge for a JMDL gathering, Garret and his friend > helped me with a song called "Fear a Bhata." We *finally* put this song together > and it had it's debut this past Saturday. It went over really well!! > > So.......a big THANK YOU again for all of you that reach out in so many ways. > > Hugs, > Ashara Hi, please, Ashara! More details on this: 1st: this Saturday debut 2nd: that mysterious song "Eno Sa Grado": gallithian sp? Warm transoceanic hugs to you: dear ma'am Yours: Emiliano ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:57:11 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Joni in Fiction... an Ally McBeal one Yes, I'm frivolous, I watch sit-coms. and yes, I prefer watching them on repositions, with some distance; and silly but not rudy ones are the ones we prefer here. Well, you know Ally... some modern-karaoke show on lawyers... Joni in Fiction section states that day good old River almost drows itself unheartedly... but more information is needed... This is one: Episode number: 45. "Love Illusions" #2M22 [AM222] (aired May 17, 1999) Written by: David E. Kelley Directed by: Allan Arkush (btw, this one's where Billy & Georgia do it in that pop. WC and Richard & Ling get laid for first time) Ally & John are defending one woman accusied by her husband of fraud , 'cause she confesses to her pc diary to his imagined, long time friend that there never wasn't any passion in her marriage. Well, this makes Ally questioning again if there aren't true loves... she remembers her childhood, her parents arguing in anger (I suppose this is a redundance, sorry)... Then we hear: Rows and flows of angel hair And ice cream castles in the air And feather canyons everywhere I've looked at clouds that way But now they only block the sun They rain and snow on everyone So many things I would have done But clouds got in my way I've looked at clouds from both sides now From up and down, and still somehow It's cloud illusions I recall I really don't know clouds at all - --------------------------Performed by Vonda Shepard (sp?) ( I guess *she* didn't release it) Obviously, after winning the absolution for her client, episode ends Ally walking home hearing: Moons and Junes and Ferris wheels The dizzy dancing way you feel As ev'ry fairy tale comes real I've looked at love that way But now it's just another show You leave 'em laughing when you go And if you care, don't let them know Don't give yourself away I've looked at love from both sides now From give and take, and still somehow It's love's illusions I recall I really don't know love at all humm... Have a Great Easter Parade! Emiliano and now...! NP! Paprika Plains !!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 19:07:39 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: spanish "appeasers" was NJC "Bush Doctrine" and Kay Hi, Patrick! Many thanks for your post! [...] > pss. for you spanish folk, i hope you also know that 'socialist' the word > has also been terribly spun here in the states. socialist has been a dirty > word here n the united states for 30 years, and most united statesian > listeners are not able to understand that your socialist democrats are only > moderately to the left of our left. (i suspect kay does understand the > difference, but also understands how a 'socialist' victory gets reported > here. i heard richard perle, one of our most psychotic bush admin insiders, > on npr just after the election, and he said 'socialist' several times as if > he's just sucked bull piss. made a point of it. that's how our > conservatives have highjacked the word. it's not pretty.) wow, I know: It's one of these things they get me off my nerves: I'm glad you remind me this: radical, socialist... Freemind (libre penseur, in French) will be the next one, maybe? Keep the Pride of being what we are! Emiliano NP: Night In The City ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:22:58 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: NJC "Bush Doctrine" and Kay Norman Pennington wrote: > > What gets MY goat are > the tangential arguments (e.g., "it's about oil"), the insults and purported > ulterior motives (repeated accusations of "LIES! LIES!" and "he's doing it > to enrich his friends"), the conspiracy theories (World Domination! > PNAC!!), and finally the "we deserve it" argument...the most ludicrous of > all. This last argument disturbs me, too (I'm agreeing with you, Buck; make note of it :-). I remember in the days just after 9/11 being overwhelmed by people's rush to criticize the U.S. After a couple days of "how awful!", it's like the floodgates opened and the criticism poured forth. Such criticism could be taken as "let's learn from this horrible experience so it doesn't happen again" and I was doing some of that myself because lord knows the U.S. never gives anything without plenty of strings attached, and it's easier to go right for the head-thoughts rather than feel much, but, even rationally understanding all that, it was so awful and relentless that I just tuned out for a few months. There are still comments tossed off about the karma of the U.S. and how that attack was something we had earned. It makes me angry that people, usually people far away from NYC, can so blithely comment on what happened here. (It's also made me realize I don't believe in karma and now see it as just another religious construct designed to explain what we cannot understand; it's arrogant and cruel to use it as an explanation for the horror here.) There is nothing, NOTHING, the U.S. has ever done that justifies people slamming human-filled missiles into 100,000 civilians. Nothing! Those other arguments you mention, Buck, are because invading Iraq makes NO sense to most people. Going after bin Laden and al Qaeda is logical and, put simply, I had no problem with that, but Iraq? To paraphrase Richard Clarke, it's like the U.S. invading Mexico after Pearl Harbor. Why??? The war against Iraq makes so little sense, and there were plenty of lies (yes, LIES!) given to get us there, that surely there's some explanation other than the ones given by the Bushies. What you call tangential arguments are an attempt to find the truth. Those arguments are not going to go away. Debra Shea, in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 10:39:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: More thanks!!! (NJC) Emiliano wrote: > Hi, please, Ashara! More details on this: > 1st: this Saturday debut > 2nd: that mysterious song "Eno Sa Grado": gallithian sp? Hi Ashara and Emiliano, if "Grado" refers to the town in northern Spain, as a point of interest, thats where my grandfather was born and where his brothers' and sisters' offspring continue to live. I've never been. Would love to see it someday. Em ===== "A minotaur gets very sore" ....ISB '68 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:45:28 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Bush and the Bible, njc I guess I should start preparing then. I wonder if it is real.. real hot?!! Bree >From: "Lori Fye" >Reply-To: "Lori Fye" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Bush and the Bible, njc >Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 21:06:38 -0400 (EDT) > > > In my thinking, those who call themselves followers of Christ should be > > outraged by the way our government is behaving, but instead the opposite > > is true. This more than anything is what's fueling my frustration with > > religion today. > >Rest assured, Bob, that if there is a hell, when it's time for judgment >these people's souls (if indeed they have such) will be roasting there. > >This, I really do believe. > >Lori _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar  FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:10:30 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Crazed in a good way by NYC (NJC) I love New York City! It's irrational, really irrational, like a love affair with all sorts of obvious problems but there's no way to not be involved in it. I could list so many things I love about this place and the people here, and also have a list probably just as long of the negatives, but somehow those challenges just make it all more interesting to me. Even after spending a stretch of time by a lake looking toward the mountains in Virginia, and what a stunningly beautiful place that is!, the sun on the ripples of the lake looking like shards of silver, the patterns of tree limbs against clouds in the blue sky palette, the gently shaped old old mountains looking purple in the distance, all so pure and I love that place, too, and considering how introspective and reclusive I can be don't understand why I'm not there all the time... even after all that I return to New York and its dirty streets and outspoken people from all over the world and love it all over again. It's as though the natural beauty of Virginia or other places is not of my making, I can only appreciate it, but the human-made creation of this city is something I can be part of, even though I'm a very small fish in a very big pond. Still, loving New York is irrational. There's plenty of doom and gloom regarding New York City as a target again, but I don't think it will be. It's not clear to me whether this is merely wishful thinking and a mysterious burst of optimism, or a genuine glimpse into the future which I occasionally have, but my feeling today is that New York is going to be okay and will not be attacked again. A fellow New Yorker sent me the following "U know Yur from NY when..." list. Probably every place has such a list, and it may be that none of the following is interesting to anyone except a New Yorker. We found it all very funny, because it's true so for your enjoyment (or not) I'm sending it along to youse guys (a/k/a y'all): - - You're 35 years old and don't have a driver's license. - - You ride in a subway car with no air conditioning just because there are seats available. You and the other three passengers look at each other and know you have pure grit. - - You take the train home and you know exactly where on the platform the doors will open that will leave you right in front of the exit stairway. - - You know what a "regular" coffee is. - - It's not Manhattan; it's the "City". - - You get upset that a cabbie is obeying all the rules of the road. - - Someone passes out on the train, you mistakenly think he is dead and complain that he had to die on your train because this is going to make you late! - - The rurals scare you, but...you're willing to take in strange people as roommates simply to help pay the rent. - - There is no North and South, it's uptown or downtown. If you're really from New York you have absolutely no concept of where North and South are. - - You cross the street anywhere but on the corners yelling at the cars for not respecting the fact. - - You move 8,000 miles away, spend 10 years learning the local language and people still know you're from Brooklyn the minute you open your mouth. - - You return after 10 years and the first foods you want are a "real" pizza and "real" bagel. - - A 500 square foot apartment is large. - - Your co-worker commutes 45 minutes by train to a 2,000 square foot house in the suburbs that was the same price as that same 500 square foot apartment of yours that takes only 35 minutes to get to and you think he's a sucker. - - You know the differences between all the different Ray's Pizzas. - - You are not under the mistaken impression that any human being would be able to actually understand a P.A. announcement on the subway. - - You know who Dr. Z is. - - You have at least 50 menus in your apartment, two thirds of which you have neither ordered from nor even heard of. - - You wouldn't bother ordering an pizza in any other city. - - You know that the off the shelf insecticides are just laughing gas to the superior roaches cohabitating with you in the 500 square foot apartment. - - You get ready to order dinner every night and must choose from the 4 major food groups: Chinese, Italian, Mexican or Indian. - - You're not in the least bit interested in going to Times Square on New Year's Eve. - - Your internal is permanently set to know when Alternate Side of the Street parking regulations are in effect. - - You know what a bodega is. - - You know how to fold the New York Times in half, vertically, so that you can read it on the subway or bus without knocking off other passenger's hats. - - Someone bumps into you, and you check for your wallet. - - You don't even notice the nice lady walking down the road having a perfectly normal conversation with her self. - - You pay "only" $230 a month to park your car. - - You cringe at hearing people pronounce Houston Street like the city in Texas. - - The presidential visit is a major traffic jam, not an honor. - - Film crews on your block annoy you, not excite you. (They take up all the parking spaces!) - - You can nap on the subway and never miss your stop. - - You look forward to riding the subway to read the next installment of "Marisol and Julio". - - The deli guy gives you a straw with any beverage you buy, even if it is beer. - - You know that the plural form of you is youse. Of course it is! That's it, from Debra Shea, in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:08:48 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bush and the Bible, njc Well, Lori may believe in Hell, but I don't. I think it's an invention of man to manipulate human behavior. Even if I'm wrong Bree, you're COOL enough to offset anything that horny devil can throw atcha. Just tell him to get the burners hot enough to cook up some of those buckeye candies! Bob NP: The Replacements, "Birthday Gal" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:10:43 -0400 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: More cover news Sorry if this is repeat news, but it's interesting to me that this is the second CD this year (I know of) featuring covers of TWO Joni songs, the other being Rebecca Luker's (which I find to be antiseptic and dull). Karrin Allyson also recorded Blue Motel Room recently. Karrin Allyson's next CD, "Wild For You," is a salute to singer-songwriters. The disc, due in June, features tunes written by and/or associated with Joni Mitchell ("Help Me" and "All I Want"), Roberta Flack ("The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" and "Feel Like Makin' Love"), Bonnie Raitt (the title track), James Taylor, Cat Stevens, Melissa Manchester and Elton John, among others. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 20:13:49 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: More thanks!!! (NJC) Hi, Em! So your grandfather was born in Grado, in Asturias, near Oviedo! I knew you're very special and gifted, now I know one of the causes! Yes I've been in Grado, but only to have some beer in one of my (very unfrequent) journeys to Oviedo. I recall the people is very sympathetic, but that's the commonplace in Asturias: you know, they're my neighbours... The Asturias' Principado (yes, its name come from prince, but I don't know how to translate it) is just beside my country, Galicia. Very nice to hear this, Em! All the rest of you, please accept my apologies for this digressing Heart & Humour & Humility! Emiliano > > Hi Ashara and Emiliano, if "Grado" refers to the town in northern > Spain, as a point of interest, thats where my grandfather was born and > where his brothers' and sisters' offspring continue to live. I've never > been. Would love to see it someday. > Em > > ===== > "A minotaur gets very sore" > ....ISB '68 BTW: I also *love* ISB, too, but I prefer John Renbourn and each and everyone one of his adventures ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:25:48 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: doon it again! Em wrote: > > The Silky Veils of Ardor is a blessing...it dribbles cold water on the > tongue of us folk thirsty ones. The Silky Veils of Ardor is one of my favorites. In my imagination, where I thoroughly enjoy playing guitar flawlessly and singing as well as Joni, I first perform the Peter Paul & Mary version of "Tiny Sparrow", which was on the first album my parents ever gave me so those songs are burned into my six-year-old self, then, with a dramatic strum, I launch into Joni's version of that same folk song. It's really great. Wish you all could hear it. :-) Welcome to the list, Em! Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:26:07 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: The Original Magdalene Laundry song Just in case some of you didn't know...this song was written back in the 80's. Not to take anything away from Joni's obviously as her song is brilliant. Only to mention that she was not the first to put the incident down in song. Magdalen Laundry by Johnny Mulhern For seventeen years I've been scrubbing this washboard Ever since the fellas started in after me My mother poor soul didn't know what to do The Canon said "Child there's a place for you" Now I'm serving my time at the Magdalen laundry I'm toeing the line at the Magdalen laundry There's girls from the country, girls from the town Their bony white elbows going up and down The reverend mother as she glides through the place A tight little smile on the side of her face She's running the show at the Magdalen laundry I've got no place to go but the Magdalen laundry Oh Lord won't you let me Don't you let me Won't you let me wash away the stain Oh Lord won't you let me wash away the stain We're washing altar linens cassocks and stoles And we're scrubbing long johns for the holy joes We know where they've been when they're not saving souls What the red wine spilt what the smooth hand poured We're squeezing it out at the Magdalen laundry We're scrubbing it out at the Magdalen laundry Oh Lord won't you let me Don't you let me Won't you let me wash away the stain Oh Lord won't you let me wash away the stain Sunday afternoon when the Lord's at rest It's off to the prom watch the waves roll by We're chewing on our toffee hear the seagulls squawk There go the Maggies the children talk Through our faces they stare at the Magdalen laundry In our eyes see the glare of the Magdalen laundry Oh Lord won't you let me wash away the stain Oh Lord won't you let me wash away the stain Oh Lord won't you let me Don't you let me Won't you let me wash away the stain Oh Lord won't you let me wash away the stain Oh Lord won't you let me Don't you let me Won't you let me wash away the stain Oh Lord won't you let me wash away the stain Bob NP: The Replacements, "Date To Church" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:32:28 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: More cover news Hi Bryan, I saw that tidbit myself today...I knew about "All I Want" but "Help Me" was news, and it's already been added to our database. I love the "twofers", I wish Diana Krall was doing more than one on her new one but I'll take whatever I can get. Those of us who have heard Karrin's wonderful take on "Blue Motel Room" will be licking our chops to hear her new one. She's one of the few that I would probably buy anyway if there was not a Joni cover on it. Bob NP: The Replacements, "Portland" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:39:14 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: The Original Magdalene Laundry song njc In a message dated 09/04/2004 19:29:49 GMT Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Just in case some of you didn't know...this song was written back in the 80's. Not to take anything away from Joni's obviously as her song is brilliant. Only to mention that she was not the first to put the incident down in song. Magdalen Laundry by Johnny Mulhern >> It is a terrific song, Bob. I don't know who else has recorded it, but I can heartily recommend Mary Coughlan's rousing rendition on her album Sentimental Killers. Somehow it seems to be particularly apt that a song like this is sung by a voice that is not only effortlessly authoritative, but is also sung in an unmistakeable Irish accent. Azeem in London NP: Chris Isaak - Heart Shaped World ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:45:22 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: spanish "appeasers" NJC patrick leader wrote: > > i heard richard perle, one of our most psychotic bush admin insiders, > on npr just after the election, and he said 'socialist' several times as if > he's just sucked bull piss. made a point of it. that's how our > conservatives have highjacked the word. it's not pretty.) I'm surprised he didn't just jump to "Marxist" or "commie". The more conservative a person is, the sooner anyone with a liberal thought is labeled that way, even if it's obliquely, such as mentioning that someone's ideas are worthy of Pravda. It's the right-wing's way of instantly dismissing the "other's" ideas and keeping the believers in line... just scare 'em and keep them ignorant. Watch what they do with Kerry. I agree, the highjacking is not pretty. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:48:13 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Bush and the Bible, njc Bob wrote: >>> In my thinking, those who call themselves followers of Christ should be >>> outraged by the way our government is behaving, but instead the opposite >>> is true. This more than anything is what's fueling my frustration with >>> religion today. I responded: >> Rest assured, Bob, that if there is a hell, when it's time for judgment >> these people's souls (if indeed they have such) will be roasting there. And eventually Bree chimed in with: > I guess I should start preparing then. > > I wonder if it is real.. real hot?!! Yes, but not as hot as it would be if Marianne were going too -- and, given her sentiments about the way our government is behaving, SHE WON'T BE!! REPENT, Bree!! ; ) Lori ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #158 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)