From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #146 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, April 3 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 146 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: (NJC) Could there be any worse song/album than this? [Emiliano ] Re: NJC speech NJC ["mike pritchard" ] viruses NJC [Garret ] Re: NJC speech ["hell" ] Re: listening to Joni when sad [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC i could not have did it without his help [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] The woman in Sunny Sunday, Joni and madness [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: The woman in Sunny Sunday, Joni and madness [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Dylan & Victoria [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: viruses NJC [Gary Zack ] NJC Laura Nyro at Monterey 1967 [Paul ] Re: The woman in Sunny Sunday, Joni and madness [Nuriel Tobias ] CBC Radio preview of Krall's new CD - April 6 (SJC) ["michael o'malley" <] Re: viruses NJC ["tantra_apso" ] Re: What is reality? PC NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: listening to Joni when sad ["Kate Bennett" ] I wish I knew who the songs were about ["anon anon" ] RE; All this talk about language now [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: Joni Covers 51 - Fifty-One is Nifty Fun! [david sapp ] Re: Sex and the Joni ["Caio Nehring" ] Joni and her own private bidniz ["Russell Bowden" ] njc Democrat of the year! ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] Re: NJC speech [Catherine McKay ] Re: viruses NJC [Doug ] Re: listening to Joni when sad [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 10:09:30 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: (NJC) Could there be any worse song/album than this? Hmm, I agree with Randy: there are these good songs there (I'll always remember that One Of These Days as this simple songs Paul does so perfect). Temporary Secretary is one of these songs I can't forget... even if I try: it was the b/side of the Coming Up single, and it led me to believe that "secretary" rhymes with "temporary" (it didn't ruined my life, that's it) Regarding marijuana... this ain't circunscribed to Paul MacCartney II: you could watch the smoking paper in London Town photos. I assume you're saying that being in drugs gets down on his self critical view, isn't it? Well, have a clean and bright weekend! Emiliano NP: Oh The Warm Feeling, Van Morrison Ps: I'd say the telling about Yoko's part of Paul being caught in Japan is a wicked rumour, don't you? It's true he had to stay one week in jail??? - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "David Sadowski" Para: "Joni" Enviado: sabado, 03 de abril de 2004 6:25 Asunto: Re: (NJC) Could there be any worse song/album than this? > Marijuana- he got busted for it shortly after putting this out, and > spent a week in a Japanese jail. One Lennon bio claims that Yoko told > the Japanese police that he would be carrying. > > Lori Fye wrote: > > >Honest, I just heard this tonight for the very first time in my life: > > > >"Temporary Secretary" from McCartney II, released in 1980. > > > >This is possibly the worse musical thing I've EVER heard. In fact the > >whole album is terrible. What drugs was Paul taking then? (And how on > >earth could anyone complain about Yoko's music?) > > > >Lori, > >whose partner is about to list that (vinyl) album on eBay ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 10:10:36 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: NJC Diana Krall in Madrid Hi, Bob! But you have to wait to hear that "Temptation" song, too, written by a singer/songwriter some of us know... Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Got To Go Back, Van Morrison ----- Mensaje original ----- De: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Para: emilianopd@mundo-r.com ; joni@smoe.org Enviado: sabado, 03 de abril de 2004 3:42 Asunto: NJC Re: Diana Krall in Madrid Thanks for that, mi amigo! I can't wait to pick up that new Krall. Besides the Joni cover, which will be awesome, she's got those great Elvis songs + new songs they wrote together. Could be radical! Bob NP: Jeff Stewart, "River" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:12:53 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: NJC speech NJC >>Which reminds me, what's with the spelling of "yacht!"<< Here in Catalonia 'yacht' is spelt/spelled 'iot' and pronounced as in /yot/. No problem. mike NP Dylan - Not dark Yet (Can anyone listen to this without seeing those poor animals in the zoo in the Audi advertisement?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 10:57:45 +0100 From: Garret Subject: viruses NJC I have been bombarded with emails with attachments lately all containnig viruses. Has there been an increase in this kind of thing? Friends, strangers, and people i have not thought about in years have all "sent" tyhem to me, including ivpaul42@aol.com, which seems rather random to me. GARRET np- Joni, Night Ride Home - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 23:27:23 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: NJC speech Bob wrote (in reply to Gill): > << I've often heard Americans use the 3rd conditional like > this: > > If I would have won the lottery, I would have bought a luxury yacht.. > > Is this correct usage in the States? I know it isn't in the UK. We'd say: > > If I had won the lottery, I would have bought a luxury yacht. > >> > > Hmm. I have never -- that I can recall, anyway -- heard anyone use the 3rd > conditional as in your first sentence. The UK example is what I've always heard > here, too. (Except people may say, as Les Ross pointed out, "I would *of* > bought a yacht." Which reminds me, what's with the spelling of "yacht!" I've certainly heard that before, used by people from the US, and it's always sounded a little strange! The one that really grates on me, is people who put the word "but" at the end of a sentence (you used to hear it more here in the 80's) instead of "though" or "mind you". For example, "She's a nice person, but." Horrible! Hell - who has no idea why yacht is spelt (or should it be spelled?) that way, or why people from the US pronounce "buoy" as "booey", and we say "boy"! ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 07:28:27 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: listening to Joni when sad **When you are depressed do you find Joni to be helpful or makes you go deeper into your depression? It's "helpful" if the aim is to really wallow in your depression! :~) I thank that it depends on the record, Deb. When I listen to C&S, Hissing, NRH, it's a constant reminder that there is true beauty in the world - nothing depressing about that. But if I am depressed, which is not too often, I'll generally reach for something upbeat to pull me out of it. Bob NP: Peggy Chew, "Chelsea Morning" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 08:05:00 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC i could not have did it without his help http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/jbatchelor2 For lovers of misspelled words, misplaced commas, grammatical errors, improper capitalization, and misdirected divine guidance. And of course...he's in the Carolinas. Bob NP: Bill Soden, "Urge For Going" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 05:29:11 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: The woman in Sunny Sunday, Joni and madness Does anybody have an idea who is the woman in Sunny Sunday? Is she a real person? Is it a sad joke about a crazy woman? I'm saying "joke" - because there's something very funny - in an strange way - about a story of a woman who waits every day till night falls only to shoot at the streetlight from her doorstep, miss, then wait till the day after, then try again, on and on. I also feel that Joni understands only too good what it means to be an outsider, mad, strange, call it what you will. I woudln't be surprised to find out that she's touched that dark zone herself. "I told you when i met you i was crazy". What do you think? Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 08:47:58 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: viruses NJC Regarding viruses, Garret writes: << Friends, strangers, and people i have not thought about in years have all "sent" tyhem to me, including ivpaul42@aol.com, which seems rather random to me. >> A virus from Paul IV random? Ha! Think again! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:54:43 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: viruses NJC Quoting Smurfycopy@aol.com: >> > A virus from Paul IV random? Ha! Think again! > > --Smurf > Lol!! Not funny Mr.Murphy;-p I don't think i was ever on his hitlist though. I won't re-spark *that* discussion. I know others had their problems with him,but he was always very nice, respectful, and informative in his dealings with me. How long has it been? GARRET NP- Patti Smith, Pumping (My Heart) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:14:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The woman in Sunny Sunday, Joni and madness **Does anybody have an idea who is the woman in Sunny Sunday? Nuri, it is a real person - here's an excerpt from a 1995 NPR interview: LIANE HANSEN: `Sunny Sunday' from Joni Mitchell's most recent album, Turbulent Indigo. I know there's a danger in reading too much into a song, but when I first heard that when I was driving in my car, I wondered whether this woman that dodges the light like Blanche DuBois might be that same woman who woke up on a Chelsea morning and let the sun stream in like butterscotch and sticked to all her senses. JONI MITCHELL: Well, you know, I think the danger is confusing art with the artist. The songs are really designed, and some are autobiographical and some are portraits. Even if they're sung in the first person frequently they're portraits. So, a lot is written from identification, much of this historically. The truth is it's a portrait of a roommate of a friend of mine, a fellow that I paint with. But everything I write I identify with. And then again too, in this particular art form, even a portrait you can put someone else's eyes in it. You know, it's- like Gertrude Stein, Picasso's portrait of Gertrude Stein, he put his own eyes in it. She said, `It doesn't look like me,' and he said, `It will.' But I think the point of the songs, I object to a certain degree that the public is more fascinated by the artist than the art form itself, and I think that the people who get the most out of my music see themselves in it. LIANE HANSEN: I don't think I necessarily saw the woman as you, though. I just saw it as a character. JONI MITCHELL: Yeah, it's a woman in a frustrated position, and so this is a portrait of a stuck woman who has set herself up this game, a target. You know, every once in a while she shoots at this street light. She always misses. You know, the day that she hits it is the day that change will occur in her life. That one little victory, that's all she needs, so it's kind of symbolic of waiting for Godot. [laughter] For change, you know. - ------------------------------------------------------------ The whole interview is available at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1019 Bob NP: Norah Jones, "Carnival Town" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:52:24 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Dylan & Victoria The following article, from today's Boston Globe, makes me wonder . . . what Joni tune(s) do you worry about turning up on TV ads? "Blue" for Tidee Bowl? "The Hissing of Summer Lawns" for Miracle Gro? "Electricity" for the local power company? (I'll stop now. I'm scaring myself!) Dylan sings a new tune: lingerie pitchman Lay, lady, lay across my big brass bed -- in a mini balconet bra and bun pant? The times are not only a-changing, folks. They're slipping into something comfortably sheer and sexy, better suited for the boudoir than Highway 61, no doubt. Heads are certainly a-scratching over the pairing of hipster troubadour Bob Dylan and lingerie purveyor Victoria's Secret in a slick new TV ad campaign. Shot in Venice, the ad features scantily clad models and uses a remixed version of Dylan's "Love Sick," off his 1997 album "Time Out of Mind," as its soundtrack. In another stunner, Dylan himself appears on camera (no leopard-skin pillbox hat and matching camisole, though). The ad debuted this week on "American Idol" and soon will be seen on shows such as "Will & Grace" and "The O.C." Company execs reportedly sifted through scores of tunes before choosing Dylan's. Not since Cadillac cranked up Led Zeppelin to market luxury cars has the Woodstock generation gotten a bigger jolt of cognitive dissonance. Wrote one blogsite visitor, "Dylan certainly has the right to use his music however he sees fit, but UGH." Another harrumphed that while it was OK to let his song be used for peddling underwear, Dylan "looks like a golden ager gigolo" in the commercial. Ouch. Then again, on Maggie's Farm there were never any supermodels in halter tankinis, were there? Others seem more charitable toward the '60s icon -- or more attuned to commercial reality and the need to make a buck, at any rate. "He's not putting `Blowin' in the Wind' out for air freshener," one blogger protests. Another finds humor in the singer having been asked back in 1965 what sort of product might tempt him to sell out. "Ladies undergarments," Dylan replied, presciently. So if everybody knows baby's got new clothes, they also know what it takes to be just like a woman these days: duds that look great on Tyra Banks. JOSEPH P. KAHN ) Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 10:44:38 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: viruses NJC Hi Garrett, I've been getting them too - about four or five per week - none from IVPaul though. They contain a lot of attachments which I of course, do not open. It's only affecting the mail that comes to my Joni e-mail, nowhere else. It's a pain - and I just keep deleting them. Best, Gary Detroit Garret wrote: >Quoting Smurfycopy@aol.com: > >>A virus from Paul IV random? Ha! Think again! >> >>--Smurf >> > >Lol!! Not funny Mr.Murphy;-p > >I don't think i was ever on his hitlist though. I won't re-spark *that* >discussion. I know others had their problems with him,but he was always very >nice, respectful, and informative in his dealings with me. > >How long has it been? >GARRET > >NP- Patti Smith, Pumping (My Heart) > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 07:54:25 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Subject: NJC Laura Nyro at Monterey 1967 Just caught the performance of Laura Nyro at Monterey on the DVD issue with the extra disc of outtakes from the original Monterey Pop film. Un******believable. She does 'Poverty Train' and it's one of the most amazing performances I have ever seen. I have always loved her music but this is the first time I have ever seen her perform. Anyone from that era see her live and want to reminisce? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 08:02:30 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: The woman in Sunny Sunday, Joni and madness Thank you, Bob. From the sense and the laughter point of the interview, like i wrote before, it does seem that Joni is very much aware of the funny side of this woman's "mental problem". This "game" she's talking about is a crazy one (she calls it troubled, i call it crazy). I do believe that Joni really loves strange human creaturs. In my opinion, some of them are the man who plays for free from for free, the king from I had a king (though he calls her crazy) the man from Ladies man, Nathan la franeer, Scarlet from Shades of scarlet, Richard from the last time i saw Richard, the boy from A strange boy, and in a way, even her mother. I think that Joni finds it easier to paint lyrical portraits of strange and twisted people in order to express her own craziness. I mean, the bit of it that she owns. Nuriel SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: **Does anybody have an idea who is the woman in Sunny Sunday? Nuri, it is a real person - here's an excerpt from a 1995 NPR interview: LIANE HANSEN: `Sunny Sunday' from Joni Mitchell's most recent album, Turbulent Indigo. I know there's a danger in reading too much into a song, but when I first heard that when I was driving in my car, I wondered whether this woman that dodges the light like Blanche DuBois might be that same woman who woke up on a Chelsea morning and let the sun stream in like butterscotch and sticked to all her senses. JONI MITCHELL: Well, you know, I think the danger is confusing art with the artist. The songs are really designed, and some are autobiographical and some are portraits. Even if they're sung in the first person frequently they're portraits. So, a lot is written from identification, much of this historically. The truth is it's a portrait of a roommate of a friend of mine, a fellow that I paint with. But everything I write I identify with. And then again too, in this particular art form, even a portrait you can put someone else's eyes in it. You know, it's- like Gertrude Stein, Picasso's portrait of Gertrude Stein, he put his own eyes in it. She said, `It doesn't look like me,' and he said, `It will.' But I think the point of the songs, I object to a certain degree that the public is more fascinated by the artist than the art form itself, and I think that the people who get the most out of my music see themselves in it. LIANE HANSEN: I don't think I necessarily saw the woman as you, though. I just saw it as a character. JONI MITCHELL: Yeah, it's a woman in a frustrated position, and so this is a portrait of a stuck woman who has set herself up this game, a target. You know, every once in a while she shoots at this street light. She always misses. You know, the day that she hits it is the day that change will occur in her life. That one little victory, that's all she needs, so it's kind of symbolic of waiting for Godot. [laughter] For change, you know. - ------------------------------------------------------------ The whole interview is available at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1019 Bob NP: Norah Jones, "Carnival Town" Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:12:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The woman in Sunny Sunday, Joni and madness **I do believe that Joni really loves strange human creaturs. I think that Joni takes that an extra step and sees that we are ALL strange, troubled, flawed in some way. And it's the flaws, rather than the perfections, that bind us together. "Just when I think he's foolish & childish, and I want him to be manly, I catch *my fool* and *my child* needing love and understanding." Bob NP: Nellie McKay, "Toto Dies" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 11:18:50 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: viruses NJC Sometimes people don't realize that a virus or Trojan has got control of their system. It's damn complicated. I could pick up some spy ware from a site that lets in a back door trojan. Then my email addresses are sent off to someone else who might use someone else's computer to send off viruses using those names as the sender. Or use my computer to send Denial Of Service attacks to a server somewhere. So don't be to hard on the name of the sender. Except IVPaul of course. Gary Zack wrote: >Hi Garrett, > >I've been getting them too - about four or five per week - none from >IVPaul though. They contain a lot of attachments which I of course, do >not open. It's only affecting the mail that comes to my Joni e-mail, >nowhere else. It's a pain - and I just keep deleting them. > >Best, > >Gary >Detroit > > > >Garret wrote: > >>Quoting Smurfycopy@aol.com: >> >>>A virus from Paul IV random? Ha! Think again! >>> >>>--Smurf >>> >>Lol!! Not funny Mr.Murphy;-p >> >>I don't think i was ever on his hitlist though. I won't re-spark *that* >>discussion. I know others had their problems with him,but he was always very >>nice, respectful, and informative in his dealings with me. >> >>How long has it been? >>GARRET >> >>NP- Patti Smith, Pumping (My Heart) >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:42:30 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: CBC Radio preview of Krall's new CD - April 6 (SJC) This just in from the Globe & Mail: Dianna Krall's latest CD, The Girl in the Other Room, isn't in stores until April 27th, but CBC Radio's After Hours show (on CBC Radio Two) will be giving it a full airing on Teusday night, April 6th, at 10:05 pm EST. This radio preview willl also include an interview with Krall. For those of you without access to CBC radio on your home radio dial, you should be able to catch this show live on the net. For more info see http://www.cbc.ca/programguide/schedule/dailySchedule.jsp?network=CBC%20Radio %20Two&genre=&startTime=18:00&endTime=25:00&startDate=2004/4/6 Below is the official current press release from Verve Records for 'The Girl in the Other Room' : Acclaimed Artist's First Album to Feature Original Music to be Released April 27, 2004, by Verve Records. 'The Girl in the Other Room,' the first album by acclaimed artist Diana Krall to feature her original compositions, will be released April 27, 2004, by Verve Records. The record, Krall's eighth, includes six songs co-written by Krall and Elvis Costello. In addition, Krall offers her interpretations of Mose Allison's "Stop this World," Tom Waits' "Temptation," Joni Mitchell's "Black Crow," and Costello's "Almost Blue," along with "Love Me Like a Man" (made popular by Bonnie Raitt) and "I'm Pulling Through" (made popular by Billie Holiday). "Temptation" will be released in March as the album's first single. 'The Girl in the Other Room' was co-produced by Krall and three-time Grammy winner Tommy LiPuma. Musicians Anthony Wilson (guitar), Christian McBride (bass), John Clayton (bass), Peter Erskine (drums), Jeff Hamilton (drums), and Terry Lyne Carrington (drums) back Krall's piano and vocals. track listing: 1. "Stop This World" (Mose Allison) 2. "The Girl in the Other Room" (music and lyrics by Diana Krall and Elvis Costello) 3. "Temptation" (Tom Waits) 4. "Almost Blue" (Elvis Costello) 5. "I've Changed My Address" (music by Diana Krall, lyrics by Diana Krall and Elvis Costello) 6. "Love Me Like a Man" (Smither) 7. "I'm Pulling Through" (Herzog) 8. "Black Crow" (Joni Mitchell) 9. "Narrow Daylight" (music by Diana Krall, lyrics by Diana Krall and Elvis Costello) 10. "Abandoned Masquerade" (music by Diana Krall, lyrics by Elvis Costello) 11. "I'm Coming Through" (music by Diana Krall, lyrics by Diana Krall and Elvis Costello) 12. "Departure Bay" (music by Diana Krall, lyrics by Diana Krall and Elvis Costello) Sounds very promising, doesn't it? Michael in Quebec NP: Sarah Harmer - Dandelions in Bullet Holes ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 18:03:07 +0100 From: "tantra_apso" Subject: Re: viruses NJC I get approximately 30 of them a day. My Norton zaps them so i don't infected. However, I think they come from poepl who have either been infected OR have their email addresses in other people's address books. I belkong to sevral lists and think that is how. bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garret" To: Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:57 AM Subject: viruses NJC > I have been bombarded with emails with attachments lately all containnig > viruses. Has there been an increase in this kind of thing? Friends, strangers, > and people i have not thought about in years have all "sent" tyhem to me, > including ivpaul42@aol.com, which seems rather random to me. > GARRET > > np- Joni, Night Ride Home > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:17:58 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC >However, I feel significantly less safe since we've gone into Iraq. I think we've escalated the chances/reasons for more terrorism.< Prior to our invasion of Iraq, we were warned by many with an understanding of the middle east & the terrorism there that an attack on iraq would increase terrorism... I don't have the direct quote or link but bin laden's propaganda prior to 9/11 was that the USA wanted to invade an oil rich country & thus death to the infidels or whatever they call us... When the USA invaded Iraq we made his position stronger among his followers & new recruits... I don't feel safer at all, we have a lot of vulnerability in this country that was ignored in the rush to war... IMO of course Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:23:46 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: listening to Joni when sad >Well I find that Joni's music - iparticularly in mine and her early years - to be a place to press my cheek to - when depressed.< Re early years joni, I think for me listening is usually an uplifting thing (even her sad songs), probably because of the nostalgic factor... It brings me back to innocent & youthful times... Brings out that part of me that is still like that inside... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:26:08 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: I wish I knew who the songs were about There are so many Songs by Joni where I wish I knew who she was singing about...I guess we'll never know for sure... _________________________________________________________________ Limited-time offer: Fast, reliable MSN 9 Dial-up Internet access FREE for 2 months! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&pgmarket=en-us&ST=1/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:28:42 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: RE; All this talk about language now Oueen LULU wrote: ME NOW........ Excellent point Marianne.... I studied comparative US and UK histories as part of my degree. What struck me about the sources I had to study, which included some of the diaries of the early pioneers who colonised what is now the United States, and those who went to "christianise" the "dark" continents.. was their utter arrogance and belief that "they were right". Somehow the indigenous tribes were "wrong". That their belief systems and ways of living were of no importance. They were feared and therefore an enemy and therefore decimated, captured and used as slave labour, or forced off their land and then arms used against them in WARS because they wanted the "white mans land". I utterly believe that each and everyone of us is starting to have to pay back the bad things that were done all those centuries ago. Karma operates on many and subtle levels. We can argue about the worthiness of politicians, who is left or right or centre. About as far as most of us go (and myself included) is to be vaguely interested in what happened, buy dreamcatchers, african oils, asian and american indian prints, mayeb go and visit a country or two and see the tourist facsimile of "the old ways". We also maybe learn a few recipes, wathc a few documentaries and learn about the things that these vanished civilisations valued, before we came into their worlds and shat all over them. The closest any of us really get is dressingour houses to give and african "feel" or whatever the latest craze is for interior design... Before there is a flood of posts pointing out about ancient cannibals, ritual murder etc., That was their society.. that was how they did things. Who were we to say they were wrong? Eventually they would have looked outside and borrowed from our society what they needed to modernise and join us......But of course...they had things we needed so we went in and did our stuff.... What is happening in Iraq is not an isolated decision to suddenly hurt and hate the WEST. We have bullied, lied, cheated, oppressed, stolen, raped, robbed and ruined just about everything we ever touched. WE have not allowed nations to get on with what they do. The only times we get worried about what is going on is when we are made to sit up and realise that our interests (usually commercial, sometimes illegal and usually at the cost to the host nation) are being threatened. Just think for a moment about what is going on. Rights always carry responsibilities. If we, as two large nations, have decided we have a right to something, then we have got to be prepared to accept responsibility when those rights are questioned and our real motives are shown. Arms, drugs (and not just illegal ones), oil, natural gas, labour.. the things that keep economies moving... that is what our countries are into for the major source of income. Wherever we have purused these on soil that is not our own we have ended up in conflict.... Iraq will drag on for years. It was not about Saddam, it is about oil. America knew that, Britain knew that. it is also about arms, and labour. The PNAC has been in place too long for those who are involved to walk with their heads tall and their hands clean. Britain and America (and the other countries who are in this conflict too) will continue to lose young men and women and (whilst it is a terrible thing to happen) they will be butchered and hung up.... America used to tar and feather and put burning tyres around negroes necks, the IRA did that in Northern Ireland... what did we ever expect? After all.. we are all human.........the Iraqis are no less human than we. AS we sew, so shall we reap, Karma, chickens coming home to roost, however we dress it up it is what we deserve.... We do not have to look very far from home to see what we have done..it is not a big thing to do. England has lived with acts of terrorism from the IRA and its various factions for years and years and years (35 to be precise). We are used to bombings and bomb threats and all that goes with it for something that started back in the 1700's in IRELAND as it was then. I suggest that America gets used to it too. It is a sad world. Lucy - ------------------------------ Lucy, I nominate and install you as the "Queen MUM" Ambassador of the stewardship of the planet! Much Love, Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:35:07 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: david sapp Subject: Re: Joni Covers 51 - Fifty-One is Nifty Fun! Well, Bob, perhaps too little too late - but your work is GREATLY appreciated. peace, david PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:38:10 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: NJC Laura Nyro at Monterey 1967 Hi Paul, I've seen Laura many times and have posted a number of remembrances to the list. The Monterey performance you speak of was written about (in various articles and discussed onVH1) many times and how she was supposedly booed off stage which turned out not to be the case at all - although Nyro was put with backup singers and musicians who were said to not know anything about her or her music. Because of that performance Nyro was stage shy for quite a time after that. I haven't seen the DVD yet, unable to afford it, but it's on my wish list - can't wait to see it. Her live performances on any type of video are extremely rare, and she did almost no television appearances. As most of you know, I love Laura as much as Joni - and she was unbelievable in concert. I had the good fortune to meet her once- a moment I will never forget! I'm so glad to hear that you were so moved by it. She was a great talent and I miss her daily. Such a great and sad loss. Best, Gary Detroit Paul wrote: >Just caught the performance of Laura Nyro at Monterey on the DVD issue with the extra disc of outtakes from the original Monterey Pop film. Un******believable. She does 'Poverty Train' and it's one of the most amazing performances I have ever seen. I have always loved her music but this is the first time I have ever seen her perform. Anyone from that era see her live and want to reminisce? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:47:17 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: all this talk about language now....njc >was their utter arrogance and belief that "they were right". Somehow the indigenous tribes were "wrong"< Lucy, thank you for your post... In some ways things have not changed, human conciousness seems to move slower than human technology... We're fighting the same wars with bigger machinery... I too believe in karma & that we reap what we sew... People & nations alike... I was just re-reading the story of Chief Joseph & the massacre that happened to his people... His father was the first of his tribe to embrace Christianity (thus his name & his son's name) & even worked with the USA gov't to set up a reservation... When gold was found the gov't took back the land & the elder joseph refused to move & destroyed his flag & bible in reaction to the betrayal...After he died, his son (joeseph) took his place, tried to resist then had to retreat... Ironically his retreat is considered one of the most brilliant in american history... It is also one of the saddest stories... Many of his people died along the way & it is said chief joseph died in exile of a broken heart... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:09:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: viruses NJC same here. i get one every 2 or 3 minutes. i don't recognize the addresses. my norton catches them because i scan all outgoing and incoming mail. but sometimes something strange happens too. i get messages that seem to come from norton saying that one of my messages has been rejected by such and such because it contained a virus. this is impossible because norton itself scans the outgoing mail. still, what's more amazing is that norton warns that the message FROM norton contains a virus before it zaps it. it boggles the mind. wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > tantra_apso > Enviado el: Sabado, 03 de Abril de 2004 02:03 p.m. > Para: Garret; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: viruses NJC > > > I get approximately 30 of them a day. My Norton zaps them so i don't > infected. However, I think they come from poepl who have either been > infected OR have their email addresses in other people's address books. I > belkong to sevral lists and think that is how. > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garret" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:57 AM > Subject: viruses NJC > > > > I have been bombarded with emails with attachments lately all containnig > > viruses. Has there been an increase in this kind of thing? Friends, > strangers, > > and people i have not thought about in years have all "sent" > tyhem to me, > > including ivpaul42@aol.com, which seems rather random to me. > > GARRET > > > > np- Joni, Night Ride Home > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:28:48 -0300 From: "Caio Nehring" Subject: Re: Sex and the Joni What is this????? I think you should send the question to The Sun, the english tabloid. Maybe they'll get somethin'out of it. Personally i think you were in a real FOS state or had a deep spiritual contact with Xaviera Hollander when you thought, liked the idea, wrote it down and sent this 2 JMDL. I would like to make mine the words from Kardinel@aol.com "Personally I think someone's personal life is none of your business. I am sure Joni would find it degrading for you to inquire into her sex life especially since she is a very private person. My advice to you is to get a life of your own. I can see now why I don't read this site very often. Kardinel" Caio - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" To: "Nuriel Tobias" ; "Joni List" Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: Re: Sex and the Joni > > Hi folks, > > > > Do you think that Joni is good in bed? I mean, waht do we REALLY know about > > it? > > That she has had a lot of practice. > > Wicked Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 11:30:12 -0800 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Joni and her own private bidniz Aloha, Gang, For those who are just burning to know every intimate detail of our Queen's personal life, and then post the possibilities on a discussion list that she actually might read is at least slightly offensive....(Dear Joni, If you don't care, I apologize for butting in, Love, Russ).... I think. So before anyone goes speculating about something that is really none of our business, why not just drop it? She is flesh and blood, not just some statue in a park. If anybody stills feel the need, then I suggest that you might start off by revealing your sexual behavior first, or we can start gossiping about list's members (ha! get it?) and post them with no thought for the person being discussed. Rant over. Good Passover and Happy Easter.....if I'm leaving anyone out...Happy happy joy joy! Aloha nui, Pakololo Lou (aka and add) Russ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 20:39:46 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: viruses NJC On 3 Apr 2004, at 10:57, Garret wrote: > I have been bombarded with emails with attachments lately all > containnig > viruses. Has there been an increase in this kind of thing? Friends, > strangers, > and people i have not thought about in years have all "sent" tyhem to > me, > including ivpaul42@aol.com, which seems rather random to me. There's a bunch of worms doing the rounds at the moment which mail themselves, with a spoofed/fake sender e-mail address to people found in address books. So, let's say person A gets the worm, and person A is someone who's spoken to both person B and person C in the past. The worm tries to spread itself by e-mailing itself to people in person A's address book. In order to deflect attention away from person A, the worm purports to be from *someone else* in person A's address book, thus increasing the chances that the person really infected by the worm won't get told they've got it. Clever, no? And yes, there really has been a tangible increase in this kind of activity at the moment, aided and abetted by users' propensity to trust the sender of a message, and double click an attachment, even when the message text makes no sense, or is in very bad english, or is completely out of all context. Sigh... as usual... - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 15:24:51 -0500 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: njc Democrat of the year! I labeled this so non Dems and non political people can avoid - at the meeting of our congressional district Democrats today, I was nominated and elected as the honored precinct delegate (elected worker) of the year to be among those honored at the swankiest event the state has every year where I get to meet and eat with John Kerry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (if I told you that a friend of mine to my surprise orchestrated this so that when I went to the Big Dinner I would take her as my complimentary guest because she likes to go to these things, it wouldn't eliminate my thrill at being the person honored this year!) And it seems that everyone loved was my singing last week at the Show Us the Jobs rally! That is so funny! I cannot sing! I can chant a good litugry, took lessons for that, but I cannot sing! But they loved it!!!!!!!! Other than 1. Do you love Joni Mitchell, what would be the other questions you want me to ask, political or nonpolitical, when I am having dinner with John Kerry? (No, Buck, I will not ask him if he will just go away ha ha!) (That is meant as a nonpolitical good natured friendly banter, please...) For what it is worth, I have sat at a few head tables in my time, albeit back in the 80s. No one I ever sat with has ever lost. Wonder if after the hiatus the trend still continues! Vince, singing my way to fame and glory... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 17:28:22 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: viruses NJC so to finally get it right: you get the virus ONLY if you open the attachment? if you get the message but you don't read it or if you read it but don't open the attachment, can you still get infected? wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Chris > Marshall > Enviado el: Sabado, 03 de Abril de 2004 04:40 p.m. > Para: Garret > CC: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: viruses NJC > > > On 3 Apr 2004, at 10:57, Garret wrote: > > I have been bombarded with emails with attachments lately all > > containnig > > viruses. Has there been an increase in this kind of thing? Friends, > > strangers, > > and people i have not thought about in years have all "sent" tyhem to > > me, > > including ivpaul42@aol.com, which seems rather random to me. > > There's a bunch of worms doing the rounds at the moment which > mail themselves, with a spoofed/fake sender e-mail address > to people found in address books. > > So, let's say person A gets the worm, and person A is someone > who's spoken to both person B and person C in the past. The > worm tries to spread itself by e-mailing itself to people > in person A's address book. In order to deflect attention > away from person A, the worm purports to be from *someone > else* in person A's address book, thus increasing the chances > that the person really infected by the worm won't get told > they've got it. > > Clever, no? > > And yes, there really has been a tangible increase in this > kind of activity at the moment, aided and abetted by users' > propensity to trust the sender of a message, and double click > an attachment, even when the message text makes no sense, > or is in very bad english, or is completely out of all context. > > Sigh... as usual... > > --Chris Marshall > > chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) > > "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" > Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" > Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:12:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC speech --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Sorry. That last one got away before I was done. > Here's what it should have > said: > > Gill writes: > > << I've often heard Americans use the 3rd > conditional like > this: > > If I would have won the lottery, I would have bought > a luxury yacht.. > > Is this correct usage in the States? I know it isn't > in the UK. We'd say: > > If I had won the lottery, I would have bought a > luxury yacht. > >> > > Hmm. I have never -- that I can recall, anyway -- > heard anyone use the 3rd > conditional as in your first sentence. The UK > example is what I've always heard > here, too. (Except people may say, as Les Ross > pointed out, "I would *of* > bought a yacht." Which reminds me, what's with the > spelling of "yacht!" > > --Smurf I've heard people say, "If I would have (or "would of" or "would've" ...., then I would have..." ("would of", "would've"), but it's not an American (or Canadian) thing - it's just plain wrong. I'm pretty sure the word "yacht" has Dutch origins and the "ch" sound was probably a gutteral like the "ch" in Bach or the Scottish "loch". Do I feel like looking it up though? Nope! Catherine, back from seeing Jonatha live in Ann Arbor with Sue Cameron, Yael, Brigitte, Terry, Karen and kate. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:23:57 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: viruses NJC I have been getting many emails lately disguised as "returned mail - undeliverable". The message inside tries to get me to open an attachment called "letter.zip" which I do and this is where they get clever. It unzips to a file called "message.txt .exe" . If your window is minimized the end is cut off and it looks like a harmless text file. My firewall is catching lots of stuff too. Doug ps Never open spam while online. Wally Kairuz wrote: >so to finally get it right: you get the virus ONLY if you open the >attachment? if you get the message but you don't read it or if you read it >but don't open the attachment, can you still get infected? > >wally > > > >>-----Mensaje original----- >>De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Chris >>Marshall >>Enviado el: Sabado, 03 de Abril de 2004 04:40 p.m. >>Para: Garret >>CC: joni@smoe.org >>Asunto: Re: viruses NJC >> >> >>On 3 Apr 2004, at 10:57, Garret wrote: >> >> >>>I have been bombarded with emails with attachments lately all >>>containnig >>>viruses. Has there been an increase in this kind of thing? Friends, >>>strangers, >>>and people i have not thought about in years have all "sent" tyhem to >>>me, >>>including ivpaul42@aol.com, which seems rather random to me. >>> >>> >>There's a bunch of worms doing the rounds at the moment which >>mail themselves, with a spoofed/fake sender e-mail address >>to people found in address books. >> >>So, let's say person A gets the worm, and person A is someone >>who's spoken to both person B and person C in the past. The >>worm tries to spread itself by e-mailing itself to people >>in person A's address book. In order to deflect attention >>away from person A, the worm purports to be from *someone >>else* in person A's address book, thus increasing the chances >>that the person really infected by the worm won't get told >>they've got it. >> >>Clever, no? >> >>And yes, there really has been a tangible increase in this >>kind of activity at the moment, aided and abetted by users' >>propensity to trust the sender of a message, and double click >>an attachment, even when the message text makes no sense, >>or is in very bad english, or is completely out of all context. >> >>Sigh... as usual... >> >>--Chris Marshall >> >>chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) >> >>"If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" >> Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" >> Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ >> >> > >. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:29:01 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: listening to Joni when sad --- Deb wrote: > Hi, > Taking a little poll here. When you are depressed > do you find Joni to be helpful or makes you go > deeper into your depression? I have found that > listening to the demo *It's all over now, Baby > Blue*, her Dylan cover to just make those tears fall > and fall. I find it cathartic. Sometimes I cry, sometimes not, but I always feel better after I've listened. I also find it difficult to sing certain Joni songs when I'm feeling sad or depressed, that is, if it's a song that relates to something I'm going through or have just been through, or something that I emphathize with a great deal even if I haven't personally experienced it. I sometimes get so into it that I end up a wreck and it's a wonder I haven't turned to drink, although that sometimes seems like a good option. But if it's a song I truly love that means a lot to me, I'll sing it anyway and eventually I can do it without the blubbing. Ultimately it's quite therapeutic. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #146 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)